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jidar
09-30-2005, 08:55 AM
So like everyone else I kind of got drawn into this Hold'em craze. I usually don't watch much tv but my wife had been watching the Poker tour and I sat down with her, who would have thought that poker is a fun sport to watch on the tube?

Now I've been playing Hold'em on Yahoo Games for the past week, read a few hold'em strategy guides and all that. I did ok I think, took my initial $1000 in monopoly money and have it up to $1800 after about 4 hours of play spread out over 3 days or so.

So I'm thinking of playing for real. I'm not naive enough to think my success on Yahoo games is necessarily going to translate but it's worth a try and might be fun. Where should I play? Anyone have any pointers about what sites to avoid?

Cochise
09-30-2005, 09:01 AM
I've heard stories of people teaming up in those online poker rooms, getting 3 or 4 people together on the same table and cleaning house. Some friends of mine were talking about doing it. I dont know if I would be playing any real money when you can't tell that everything is on the up and up.

beavis
09-30-2005, 09:04 AM
Best site I've been on is Full Tilt. Nice interface, decent players. Plus they have a points system where you can get free tshirts and crap. Poker Stars is ok as well. I've had decent luck there. I'd stay clear or partypoker and paradise. You'd have better odds playing blackjack.

BigRedChief
09-30-2005, 09:10 AM
Play in tournaments only. You get moved from table to table too often. You can't get ganged up on. If you play in the sit-n-go's you can get teamed up on. They use IM to tell each other what they have. Supposely the online sites have software to detect this but I call BS.


I play at pokerstars.com and pokerroom.com. Been with these sites for over 3 years.

Rain Man
09-30-2005, 09:12 AM
Monaco. Definitely Monaco. But bring a tux.

ArrowheadHawk
09-30-2005, 09:14 AM
try vegas

jidar
09-30-2005, 09:15 AM
try vegas

It's a long walk.

ArrowheadHawk
09-30-2005, 09:15 AM
It's a long walk.
get a ride

jspchief
09-30-2005, 09:19 AM
I like Poker Stars.

I only play in single table or multi table tournies. Regular table, limit games can be gang rapes.

As far as fake play translating to real play. in some aspects it's easier with real money. People don't make as many stupid bluffs (although it still happens). If I play tight, on a single table no limit tourney that seats ten, I can get in the top five 95% of the time. From there, it's a matter of getting top three to get paid.

boredfan
09-30-2005, 09:28 AM
the best place I have found for fake money tables is poker school online. You pay 15 a month, but they have pros there to train you, and keep a bankroll of your fake money. It helps, and if you are good enough, you can earn sposorship points to enter real tourneys

BigRedChief
09-30-2005, 09:29 AM
Another thing:
Get in the low stakes tables to start out. $5.00 one table tourneys etc. The sharks and gang ups don't happen at those tables. Not enough money to mess with so they are not targets.

Kclee
09-30-2005, 09:32 AM
Play in tournaments only. You get moved from table to table too often. You can't get ganged up on. If you play in the sit-n-go's you can get teamed up on. They use IM to tell each other what they have. Supposely the online sites have software to detect this but I call BS.

Yep. And someone already said it, but probably stay away from partypoker, at least for now. Pretty much only sharks and fish there. I play at pacificpoker and it's not too bad. You can play a tight game there and usually get your money back at the very least. You can play tournys pretty cheap until you get better.

ArrowheadHawk
09-30-2005, 09:37 AM
partypoker is a spyware nightmare

TRing
09-30-2005, 09:46 AM
holdempoker.com

skye22f
09-30-2005, 09:49 AM
I've heard stories of people teaming up in those online poker rooms, getting 3 or 4 people together on the same table and cleaning house. Some friends of mine were talking about doing it. I dont know if I would be playing any real money when you can't tell that everything is on the up and up.

this is just silly. some collusion probably exists, but i've not seen any evidence of any of this in 60,000 hands at limits $3/$6 and below.

I know a lot of guys that play cards online for a living, they don't have this problem.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 10:00 AM
We have an Holdem Poker League going on with friends every thursday in Olathe around 7:00 pm. We are in week 9 of our 12 week tourney, we usually get between 8-12 guys together and have a good time... We give out prizes for 1st, 2nd and 1st avg (min 6 games) in the tourney and of course 1,2,3 on every thursday...

Its fun...

Tuckdaddy
09-30-2005, 10:07 AM
At a high shool, they don't know shit.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:10 AM
I like Poker Stars.

I only play in single table or multi table tournies. Regular table, limit games can be gang rapes.

This is so so so so so silly it's sad.

This just doesn't happen anywhere, they watch this stuff tight, and if nobody's gonna donk around with this at a limit under $15/$30 (and still, it's rare enough that I know a lot of guys that are crushing that game for 3-4 bb/100.)

The thing about hold 'em (or omaha or stud or triple-draw or any kind of poker) is that luck plays a HUGE factor in your short term results. Over the long term if you are better than the other players+the rake you will win, however, short term anything can happen.

If you are going to be playing $.50/$1 limit HE, for example, you are going to want to keep a bankroll of at least $300, $500 is preferable (you can have bad swings of 200-300 bets, they are rare but they happen.)

To get any kind of halfway decent feel for your winrate and stats and how you're playing you need to play at least 10,000 hands for variance to even out both ways. Even then that's kind of a drop in a bucket, I know a lot of very good players that have gone breakeven for 10,000 hands, if you play enough this will eventually happen to you- it's the nature of the game. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win. Just because you are winning right now for 2,000 hands does not mean you are good, just because you are losing right now for 2,000 hands does not mean you are bad.

It's all about making the best decisions over and over again and over the long run the cards will even out.

I would say, first of all, you gotta make a decision of how serious you want to be before you play. Do you care if you drop a couple hundred bucks, just entertainment? Or do you really wanna get good, take it seriously, beat the games and know with statistical certainty that you aren't just getting lucky?

If you go with option 1, then wherever you play it doesn't really matter. Pacific is pretty loose, as is Party and Paradise. UltimateBet, Prima, the Cryptos and Full Tilt are mostly too tight (and clearing bonus goes way too slow at all of them except a few cryptos.) I'd recommend putting $500 into Party so you get $100 bonus on signup and playing some .50/1- even if you sorta suck most of the time the $100 bonus should keep your roll at least breakeven, and then you can sign up at all the other Party skins (other companies license PartyPoker software and you play on their sites its the same tables and same players, they just look different but you get more bonus money with signing up at each) and get the same deal.

If you actually want to study a little bit and get good at the game PM me and I'll point you at a couple good books/websites/other resources. You probably aren't good enough right now to beat many (if any) of the games that are out there, but with a little knowledge of the most common errors you will stand a lot better chance of doing allright for yourself and hanging in there long enough to learn and win.

Kclee
09-30-2005, 10:12 AM
WORM: You know what cheers me up when I'm feeling shitty?
MIKE: What?
WORM: Rolled up aces over kings.
MIKE: Is that right?
WORM: Yeah. Check-raising stupid tourists and taking huge pots off of them.
MIKE: Yeah?
WORM: Stacks and towers of checks I can't even see over. Playing all-night high-limit Hold'em at the Taj, "where the sand turns to gold."
MIKE: **** it, let's go.
WORM: Don't tease me.
MIKE: Let's play some ****in' cards.

Iowanian
09-30-2005, 10:13 AM
I've got accounts at Pokertards....I mean Pokerstars and noblepoker...Noble sucks balls, and I should zap my account.

Pokertards gameplay and feel is nice....but there are ALOT of bad beats. Last night in a 3 table(27 man) tourn...which is what I like..........I had KK, went all in when raised....and 4 people came in....with QQ, 99, A10os and my KK.....flop was a Qnothing....9 on turn....

Normally, if I were the Q's, the 4th diamond would have came up and the Ks would have won on a flush.

Expect alot of J2os all in tards online.

I only play tourns, because the College kids in particular rape and pillage at the limit tables.

Its not too tough to see a road game when its happening.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:16 AM
Pokertards gameplay and feel is nice....but there are ALOT of bad beats. Last night in a 3 table(27 man) tourn...which is what I like..........I had KK, went all in when raised....and 4 people came in....with QQ, 99, A10os and my KK.....flop was a Qnothing....9 on turn....

That's not a bad beat!

With those 4 hands out there, what % of the time do you think your kings will hold up? First don't look it up, just guess!

Kclee
09-30-2005, 10:17 AM
Skye-

You're right, but this is just some advice for jidar and he's just starting out. He dosen't need a $300 BR to play. Hell, he can put in $20 and play about 15 tournys at pacific.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:18 AM
Skye-

You're right, but this is just some advice for jidar and he's just starting out. He dosen't need a $300 BR to play. Hell, he can put in $20 and play about 15 tournys at pacific.

For sure he can, that's why I said he's gotta choose between studying and trying to win and just donking around for entertainment. Those cheap SNGs are a lot of fun, that's how I got my start.

Iowanian
09-30-2005, 10:20 AM
SKy.

In a live game....how often do you see Pocket AA vs AA? How often oline?

In a live game, how often do you see AA vs KK vs QQ in teh same hand? how often online?

In a live game, how often, do you see someone go all in with 37 os vs rockets or KK, and catch a river gutshot strt? How often online?

How many Pocket pairs, that make a set on the flop, have you lost in a live game to runner, runner, runner, runner suited to lose to a J6os?


I'm not winning any big money....but I'm not losing anymore...lose a few, but place in most of the 3 table tourns I do.

I can't tell you all the odds of my head...But I know that online, more K2 tards catch flopped 22 and beat tough hands way too often.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:25 AM
SKy.

In a live game....how often do you see Pocket AA vs AA? How often oline?

Rarely and rarely.


In a live game, how often do you see AA vs KK vs QQ in teh same hand? how often online?


Again, rarely and rarely.

You will see this more online though because twice as many hands are dealt out every hour. About 35/table/hour live and about 60 online, if you are playing more tables of course more (I know guys that play 8-12 tables at a time, I play 6 at the very most.)

In a live game, how often, do you see someone go all in with 37 os vs rockets or KK, and catch a river gutshot strt? How often online?

Rarely and rarely. Seriously. I have a very big database of hands and the numbers you see are the numbers you would expect if it was random. You might see a guygo all in with 37o more online because people feel more courageous to make stupid moves, but this is to be expected, and it's definitely to your big big advantage.

I can't tell you all the odds of my head...But I know that online, more K2 tards catch flopped 22 and beat tough hands way too often.

This is just your impression, believe me when I say I've studied this stuff very deeply (this is how I pay my rent and buy my beer) and it's not rigged.

KK against QQ, 99, and ATo will win only 46% of the time. Not even close to a bad beat. Good job getting your money in there, though, that's a great situation to be in- you win 46% of the time but you only put in 25% of the money. Nice overlay, that.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 10:28 AM
That's not a bad beat!

With those 4 hands out there, what % of the time do you think your kings will hold up? First don't look it up, just guess!

Well I can tell you right now, preflop:

KK is favorite
QQ only has 2 outs
99 only has 2 outs
A 10 has 3 outs

A higher pocket pair is a 4-1 favorite against any other pocket pair. The only one that might scare is the one over pair in the A...

So yea, its a bad beat, kinda like saying I had AA, and KK beats me, or AA vs A 10, and KQJ come out...

Iowanian
09-30-2005, 10:30 AM
Riddle me this batman

Are my odds of coming out ahead better playing 3 1,2 or 3 table $5 sit n gits vs the $12 6 man?

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:32 AM
Well I can tell you right now, preflop:

KK is favorite
QQ only has 2 outs
99 only has 2 outs
A 10 has 3 outs

A higher pocket pair is a 4-1 favorite against any other pocket pair. The only one that might scare is the one over pair in the A...

So yea, its a bad beat, kinda like saying I had AA, and KK beats me, or AA vs A 10, and KQJ come out...

The guy's hand will hold up less than half the time. It is not a bad beat, losing that hand is to be expected. That doesn't mean it's a bad play- it's a good play by him, I mean if I have AA and I go all-in I hope the whole table calls me, even though I will lose more times than I win, over the long run that's a profitable play.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:36 AM
Riddle me this batman

Are my odds of coming out ahead better playing 3 1,2 or 3 table $5 sit n gits vs the $12 6 man?

$12 6-man SNG? I didn't even know they had those anywhere.

I don't know if I have an an answer for that, the correct answer I guess would be "it depends on where the worst players are and the vig charged by the house." You'll win more in the long run playing the $10+$1 SNGs on Party instead of the $5+$1 SNGs because the skill level is the same and the $5 one you are paying 20% juice instead of 10% on top of your entry fee to play.

I generally would stay away from MTTs though, but some guys do very well at them.

beavis
09-30-2005, 10:37 AM
this is just silly. some collusion probably exists, but i've not seen any evidence of any of this in 60,000 hands at limits $3/$6 and below.

I know a lot of guys that play cards online for a living, they don't have this problem.
You're kidding yourself if you really believe that. I'd say at least 1 out of every five cash game or sit and go tables has a team working it.

beavis
09-30-2005, 10:38 AM
The people posting in this thread are the reason I've about quit playing.

Iowanian
09-30-2005, 10:39 AM
I seem to make the top 5 pretty regularly at the 3 table $5...I like it, because a 2nd place is worth $36 for my $5 investment.....fiddy for first. I place in probably 3 of 5, and get top 2 in 1-2 of those 5.

Pokertards has a 6 man sitngo series for 12, 15+..pays 2 spots, 2nd place is 24...so +12.

I mostly play for entertainment, but I do like winning the money too.
I'd prefer live games, but its not as available.

if you don't think there is alot of cheating vs IM....you're foolish. I try to avoid tourns, if I see 2-3 players from the same college town location.

I don't really like playing vs "poker genius" much more than Pokertard....other than the good player is easier to read.(Ie..not usually on stupid hands)

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:42 AM
You're kidding yourself if you really believe that. I'd say at least 1 out of every five cash game or sit and go tables has a team working it.

So does this make it unbeatable? These games are soft and these players suck. If they are going to be colluding it makes no sense to even do it at whatever $5 SNG you are playing at, they'd instead go for the $200 + $15s minimum. Colluding successfully takes skill, and at these low limits most people don't have it. If they had it they'd be up higher.

I play pretty much only cash games/limit hold'em and you just don't see people ganging up on the tables like that. Sure, you will see some maniacs that love raising it up and throwing money around, but those guys are pretty easy to beat for the most part (depending on the post-flop skill of the guy.)

How do you know there's a team working something? When you see this, do you report them?

Iowanian
09-30-2005, 10:44 AM
I've found online poker to be a completely different game. You have to bet completely different.

I do pretty well in lower limit live games (3-6, 2-4) but don't play that often, as a casino isn't close....which is good for my family life....

Online, you have to bet much more agressive. I bet larger in an attempt to chase pokertard out, before matches up that 3-7 strt on the river.


Sky....College kids are "colluding" on the $5 tables....because they're broke ass college students.

Kclee
09-30-2005, 10:44 AM
Well I can tell you right now, preflop:

KK is favorite
QQ only has 2 outs
99 only has 2 outs
A 10 has 3 outs



Well the A 10 os has more than 3 outs (as do the others)
There's the 3 other A's
He could get 2 or 3 T's
He could get 1 A and 1 T
He could get 4 to his suit of A
He could get 4 to his suit of T (as long as it was different than the K)
He could get K,Q,J for the straight.
He could get a ten high straight. (or all other combo's with the T)
He could get a A-5 straight.
Hell, I'll stop there, there might be more.

You put PREFLOP. That's more for on the river when the first 4 cards are all blanks.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:48 AM
I mostly play for entertainment, but I do like winning the money too. I'd prefer live games, but its not as available.

I still play live when I go back to Omaha, but it's just so slow and the other guys at the table smell bad and it's boring and you play 120 hands in 4 hours vs 250 hands in 1 hr online I normally just stay home. As much as I like the cocktail waitresses.

if you don't think there is alot of cheating vs IM....you're foolish. I try to avoid tourns, if I see 2-3 players from the same college town location.

The thing is though, cheating over IM doesn't give a guy a huge advantage. If you're decent it might give you a slight edge rarely where one of your outs is in someone else's hand, or acting like a maniac with your buddy and getting other people to fold, but anyone good enough to really be successful at this is not playing $5 MTTs.

I can tell you for a fact that they watch this more than you think as well. Also, so people don't team up and act like maniacs Party shows mucked cards to the whole table- that way if a guy and another guy keep capping over and over with trash you see this and know to report them and get out of the way.

I don't really like playing vs "poker genius" much more than Pokertard....other than the good player is easier to read.(Ie..not usually on stupid hands)

For sure. I stay away from good players as much as possible.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:50 AM
Sky....College kids are "colluding" on the $5 tables....because they're broke ass college students.

The thing is though that the $5 sngs are still incredibly easily beatable in spite of any kind of alleged collusion and if you are a broke-ass college student with 2 brain cells to rub together you can smoke those like a pipe and move up fast.

There are a lot of younger guys beating the $200 SNGs and even the $5000 step tourneys- that's where they started.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 10:51 AM
Well the A 10 os has more than 3 outs (as do the others)
There's the 3 other A's
He could get 2 or 3 T's
He could get 1 A and 1 T
He could get 4 to his suit of A
He could get 4 to his suit of T (as long as it was different than the K)
He could get K,Q,J for the straight.
He could get a ten high straight. (or all other combo's with the T)
He could get a A-5 straight.
Hell, I'll stop there, there might be more.

You put PREFLOP. That's more for on the river when the first 4 cards are all blanks.

www.pokerstove.com , great program that will go through everything automatically and tell you your chances.

jspchief
09-30-2005, 10:52 AM
Everyone is an expert.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 10:58 AM
The guy's hand will hold up less than half the time. It is not a bad beat, losing that hand is to be expected. That doesn't mean it's a bad play- it's a good play by him, I mean if I have AA and I go all-in I hope the whole table calls me, even though I will lose more times than I win, over the long run that's a profitable play.

So what your saying is that their is no bad beat in poker Preflop... because under your "%" of winning, Preflop means crap... The flop is 75% of your hand...

So what would you consider a bat beat, 2 over cards, or a pocket pair vs two unpaired smaller cards?? Or a covered hand... what would be a bad beat...

skye22f
09-30-2005, 11:01 AM
So what your saying is that their is no bad beat in poker Preflop... because under your "%" of winning, Preflop means crap... The flop is 75% of your hand...

Sure, I guess, yeah. Especially with multi-way action.

So what would you consider a bat beat, 2 over cards, or a pocket pair vs two unpaired smaller cards?? Or a covered hand... what would be a bad beat...

I guess there are degrees of bad, really, it's all about where you draw the line. When a guy hits his 2 outer on the river or makes a runner-runner flush, that's normally bad.

Here's a beat from 6 months ago that I saved because it's about as wicked as can be.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed)

Preflop: Ted is Button with 7c, 7d.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Ted calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7s, 3c, 3s (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Ted raises, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

I flopped a full house, she has Ace/7 offsuit. I'm a 99.6% favorite to win this hand, she needs two aces in a row...

Turn: (5.50 BB) Ad (3 players)
BB bets, CO folds, Ted raises, BB 3-bets, Ted caps, BB calls.

That's one ace, I'm still 96.5% to win this hand!

River: (13.50 BB) As (2 players)
BB bets, Ted calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results:
BB has Ac 7h (full house, aces full of sevens).
Ted has 7c 7d (full house, sevens full of aces).
Outcome: BB wins 15.50 BB.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 11:06 AM
Well the A 10 os has more than 3 outs (as do the others)
There's the 3 other A's
He could get 2 or 3 T's
He could get 1 A and 1 T
He could get 4 to his suit of A
He could get 4 to his suit of T (as long as it was different than the K)
He could get K,Q,J for the straight.
He could get a ten high straight. (or all other combo's with the T)
He could get a A-5 straight.
Hell, I'll stop there, there might be more.

You put PREFLOP. That's more for on the river when the first 4 cards are all blanks.

I Understand what you are saying, thats why I said Pre flop, The flop is 75% of your hand...

I was trying to make a point that 46% is good odds vs the other people at are @ 25% and less...

Rain Man
09-30-2005, 11:07 AM
Everyone is an expert.

I'm not.


The only time I ever played poker was almost 20 years ago. I played at my fiance's boss's house, and I was the big winner. Then I found out that he was boinking my fiance, and he left his wife for her. In retrospect, I was still the big winner.

True story.

Kclee
09-30-2005, 11:10 AM
I was trying to make a point that 46% is good odds vs the other people at are @ 25% and less...

It's still 46%. You will lose more than half the time. So if you do, it shouldn't be that big a surprise, or a Bad Beat.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 11:13 AM
It's still 46%. You will lose more than half the time. So if you do, it shouldn't be that big a surprise, or a Bad Beat.

Uh... That can be said of any hand PRE FLOP though... Any hand pre flop could win, so I guess there are no bad beats until after the flop...

Kclee
09-30-2005, 11:20 AM
Uh... That can be said of any hand PRE FLOP though... Any hand pre flop could win, so I guess there are no bad beats until after the flop...

If Iowanian would have been heads up KK vs QQ, and lost. That, I would say is a bad beat. But KK with 3 other people in there, one of which has an Ace? Not really.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 11:21 AM
Uh... That can be said of any hand PRE FLOP though... Any hand pre flop could win, so I guess there are no bad beats until after the flop...

I guess you can say that, I'm still not happy when my KK goes against AA, or gets drawn out on by QJo or something like that.

But yeah, those aren't the truly awful wicked beats that you can get in other places, AA against 27o is still gonna lose 12% of the time.

carlos3652
09-30-2005, 11:28 AM
If Iowanian would have been heads up KK vs QQ, and lost. That, I would say is a bad beat. But KK with 3 other people in there, one of which has an Ace? Not really.

Gotcha... Heads up is different than vs 2, 3 4 other people...

Kclee
09-30-2005, 11:35 AM
Gotcha... Heads up is different than vs 2, 3 4 other people...


Very. K 9 is a good hand heads up. It's a muck hand if 4 other people are already in.

Taco John
09-30-2005, 11:40 AM
Paradise Poker has a Million Dollar Free Roll (http://www.paradisepoker.com/?adv_id=a_2986b_138)

angel
09-30-2005, 11:41 AM
Uh... That can be said of any hand PRE FLOP though... Any hand pre flop could win, so I guess there are no bad beats until after the flop...
If someone calls your KK all-in pre-flop with 2-7off and takes it, I'd say "bad beat"

Kclee
09-30-2005, 11:44 AM
Hey Taco, are you still in that poker league? (was that in Oregon?) If so, how you doing?

Taco John
09-30-2005, 11:53 AM
Hey Taco, are you still in that poker league? (was that in Oregon?) If so, how you doing?



I was in it last season and was doing really well. Despite the low number of tournaments that I had played, I was ranked pretty high due to winning three tournaments. At that time, the number one guy had won only 7 tournaments. I feel like I could have kept climbing the charts...

...however, it started taking a toll. My wife was upset I was playing so much poker, because in addition to the 1-3 times a week I was playing in the league, I was also playing my regular poker game that I have every Friday night with my buddies. I ended up dropping out of the league, but continue to play on Fridays when I can with my buds.

Three weeks ago, my buddies and I got invited to a $25 buy-in tournament that I ended up taking. I haven't played in tournaments any higher than that though. I'm considering trying one of the $30 buy-ins at Paradise Poker, or maybe going for the million dollar free roll.

It's funny, because during the poker league tournaments, one of the dealers at on of the nearby casinos and I went heads up and I beat him. My wife works at human resources at that casino, and she came home the other day telling me that he won $400,000 at a tournament in Vegas. She was like, "do you think you'd be able to win a tournament like that." I laughed. There's no real answer for that. Of course I think I could, but it does nobody any good to just say it.

Rausch
09-30-2005, 11:55 AM
I play at pokerroom.com

Of course, as I type this the place is temporarily down with server issues...

*grumble*

Rausch
09-30-2005, 11:57 AM
It's funny, because during the poker league tournaments, one of the dealers at on of the nearby casinos and I went heads up and I beat him. My wife works at human resources at that casino, and she came home the other day telling me that he won $400,000 at a tournament in Vegas. She was like, "do you think you'd be able to win a tournament like that." I laughed. There's no real answer for that. Of course I think I could, but it does nobody any good to just say it.

You can only win if you're willing to lose.

Reading your posts for a few years I see that isn't a problem for you... :)

Taco John
09-30-2005, 12:01 PM
You can only win if you're willing to lose.

Reading your posts for a few years I see that isn't a problem for you... :)


Heh... Part of my strategy usually involves bluffing early and getting busted on it. I'll then tighten the hell up, and will usually get callers for my big hands. But sometimes I won't get busted early and will bully my way to chip leader. If I find discipline after that, I do pretty well. But often it will get in my head and I'll end up getting busted for the whole wad.

I like getting down early, because it forces me to tighten up my game.

Taco John
09-30-2005, 12:02 PM
Man 5:00 can't come fast enough! :D

angel
09-30-2005, 12:03 PM
You can only win if you're willing to lose.

Reading your posts for a few years I see that isn't a problem for you... :)


hey...

your avatar...

neat

Big Slick
09-30-2005, 12:07 PM
I play at Pacific and Interpoker, like them both. I've tried Party, didn't like it. Interpoker has some killer signup/reload bonuses, best I've seen.

Here's a great site for just the kind of info you're after, plus lots of other good stuff.
http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-room-reviews

As far as online collusion goes, I'm sure it happens, but I think there's a lot more paranoia about it then substance. At least at the levels I play. I play lots of 1/2 -3/6 limit, 0.50/1 & 1/2 NL, and $10 & $30 sng's, and do well at them all, and have never seen anything that made me overly alarmed. Play good poker and you'll win, simple as that...

Kclee
09-30-2005, 12:12 PM
I was in it last season and was doing really well. Despite the low number of tournaments that I had played, I was ranked pretty high due to winning three tournaments. At that time, the number one guy had won only 7 tournaments. I feel like I could have kept climbing the charts...



Yeah, that's the part I remember, winning the 3 off the bat like that. Too bad the streak didn't last.

You should take a flyer at one of those $30 tournys. I got in on 2 MTT.(usually 140-170 ppl) The first one I did ok, can't remember what place I got but won like $92 and some change. The next one I got my ass handed to me, but they weren't near as bad as I thought they would be.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 12:21 PM
I play at Pacific and Interpoker, like them both. I've tried Party, didn't like it. Interpoker has some killer signup/reload bonuses, best I've seen.

Interpoker's bonus just clears too slowly for me. It's tough finding a good game there too. Party bonuses clear a lot faster (according to www.bonus-whores.com )

What I do is I deposit at Interpoker and then work the bonus off playing an old form of BlackJack called Pontoon. It's +EV with the bonus, and it's a freaking crazy game. If you have 4 cards that make 16 you should double, 4 cards and 17 you should still hit. Crazy variance, fun times.

Otter
09-30-2005, 12:26 PM
Haven't read the whole post, sorry if it's been mentioned but do any of these sites have a reputation system like EBay or even here so you can get some kind of idea of who you would want to deal with and who you would want to avoid?

Big Slick
09-30-2005, 12:29 PM
Interpoker's bonus just clears too slowly for me. It's tough finding a good game there too. Party bonuses clear a lot faster (according to www.bonus-whores.com )

What I do is I deposit at Interpoker and then work the bonus off playing an old form of BlackJack called Pontoon. It's +EV with the bonus, and it's a freaking crazy game. If you have 4 cards that make 16 you should double, 4 cards and 17 you should still hit. Crazy variance, fun times.

I know what you're saying about the lack of good games at Interpoker, as far as limit goes. But they've got 6 handed NL that I pretty much clean up on, which Pacific doesn't offer. I use Pacific for limit play and SNG's. It's a combo that's worked well for me.

skye22f
09-30-2005, 12:39 PM
I know what you're saying about the lack of good games at Interpoker, as far as limit goes. But they've got 6 handed NL that I pretty much clean up on, which Pacific doesn't offer. I use Pacific for limit play and SNG's. It's a combo that's worked well for me.

Cool, Pacific does have some great limit games (but I hate their software.)

My URL from before should have been www.bonuswhores.com no hyphen. Sorry if anyone clicked it.

Rausch
09-30-2005, 02:10 PM
hey...

your avatar...

neat

If I've watched that movie once I've watched it 50 times...

BigRedChief
09-30-2005, 02:39 PM
Everyone is an expert.

No shit. I use to work at a pool hall when I was 16. Everyone and I mean everyone thinks they can shoot pool. I was good and practiced 8 hours a day. And at the time my morals were say we say....... suspect. I'd hustle those chumps all night after I got off work.

BigRedChief
09-30-2005, 02:41 PM
I play at pokerroom.com

Of course, as I type this the place is temporarily down with server issues...

*grumble*

I won a $5.00 tourney there the other night and got a $110 ticket to a $200,000 tourney. Hell I was posting on here more than I was paying attention to the game. Luck is such a big part of poker.