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Count Alex's Losses
10-14-2005, 01:13 AM
From another forum:

This will probably be long, just so you know.......

So, I'm not sure if you heard or not (considering the event was not well covered in the media), but a guy blew himself up just outside of an OU football game on October 1, 2005 in an "apparent suicide" as described by OU President David Boren.

That is the same David Boren that pretty much showed George Tenet the ropes. Well, after a few weeks of close investigation and watching from my vantage point (and all the this happened no this happened conflicts coming out of the local media), I have come to one sure fire conclusion: there's a bunch of stinkin' terrorists in Norman.

No, I'm really serious.

Lets take into account first why I'm calling bs on the whole explanation from David Boren. Back in the fall of 2001, Mr. Boren went to extreme lengths to protect an OU student by the name of Mohammad Yaseen Haider of Pakistan (President fo the Pakistan Student Association mind you).

He was indicted by the feds for sending an anthrax threat through e-mail, he was at the center of controversy for reportedly (ou daily) making false accusations of hate crimes against two other OU students, those were dismissed in the end. When those accusations fell apart Boren personally gave Haider a job at the OU Parkview Apartments, the same place the bomber (Joel Henry Hinrichs) worked. He had two neighbors by the names of Hussein Al-Attas and MUkkaram Ali who were picked up for their associations with Zacharias Moussaoi.

And then the plot thickens. I'm trying to include only the hard facts here, mind you, as there are a lot of misinformations floating around. The "official" statements said that Hinrichs was depressed and angry and he actually missed school.

His father says he would never convert to Islam, but even by his father's own admission, contact between the two was limited to thirty minutes in three years. The kids roomate? A Islamic Pakistani national by the name of ____.

So you have a muslim living with someone who is depressed and trying to find meaning in life? The muslim attends a mosque with a pretty detailed history of terrorists coming out of it, and there are several eyewitness reports that Hinrichs attended the mosque at least a couple of times.

If you ask me, we have a kid looking for meaning in life and you had a muslim come along and do his conversion thing. IMHO, I think the whole mosque is centered on fanaticism due to its strong ties with terror. A Norman Police Officer (confidential source NOT anonymous) said this about the case:

""Obviously, I cannot go on the record, but you are 'not wrong' in your findings," stated this law enforcement officer. "There is much more to come out of this [investigation], including the likelihood of Middle Easterners from this area being involved in this bombing," he added. "Right now, no one is talking, and we have been verbally ordered not to make any comments to any media - period."

The case is now under federal hands, so he is no longer on the case. And the links with Norman and terrorists? Well they are many:

# In early July 2000, Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi visited the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma.

# On or about 29 September, 2000, Zacharias MOUSSAOUI contacted Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma using an e-mail account he set up on September 6 with an internet service provider in Malaysia.

# On or about 26 February 2001, Zacharias MOUSSAOUI opened a bank account in Norman, Oklahoma where he deposited approximately $32,000 in cash.

# Between 26 February 2001 and 29 May 2001, MOUSSAOUI attended the Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma, ending his classes early.

# And more recently...26 September 2005: A University of Oklahoma student charged with bringing an explosive device to an airport pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge in federal court in Oklahoma City. Charles Alfred Dreyling Jr. of Norman, Oklahoma faces up to a year in prison and a $100,000 fine at a future sentencing hearing. Dreyling, 24, was arrested in August at the Will Rogers World Airport after security personnel noticed a suspicious object in his carryon bag as he was leaving for a family vacation with his parents. He later told FBI agents the device -- a modified carbon dioxide cartridge filled with gunpowder -- was "basically a pipe bomb," according to court papers that he had forgotten was in his bag. (Former Oklahoma City, OK Mayor Kirk Humphreys-- who was also DREYLING'S landlord-- spoke on behalf of DREYLING at his bail hearing).

# On a bus trip to the University of Oklahoma, Zacharias MOUSSAOUI was on the same bus as Nicholas BERG, the American man who was beheaded in Iraq in 2004 by Islamic terrorists. At some point on that trip, MOUSSAOUI asked BERG if he could use BERG'S laptop computer. Government sources said BERG gave the MOUSSAOUI his computer password...

# September 11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah's ticket (United Airlines Flight 93) was purchased from a computer terminal at Oklahoma University.

See what I mean? Something's just not right in Norman, Oklahoma these days? And what other evidence do I have? Well here's an interesting quote from JaynaDavis' website (author of the Third Terrorist, which contains some amazing evidence that is very telling):

"Islamic sleeper agents in the U. S. are actively enlisting non-Arabs, non-Muslims, and disaffected Americans of all ethnicities to carry out future operations. These homegrown militants are known throughout the intelligence community as "lily white" recruits."

That quote was wrote many months before this very incident. Davis has done a remarkable job detailing Middle Eastern involvement in the OKC Bombing and I recommend picking up her book and decide for yourself. Many Oklahomans already believed the existence of more than two suspects Davis brings it to full circle. Moving on with MY investigation though.

I visited the site of the bomb shortly after the blast and I did find some small traces of what might have been shrapnel, but not the numerous small holes in the tree next to the bench that was blown up or anything else of the sort.

I can comment on the fact that the bench is on the same sidewalk that would correspond with the bomber running away from security at Gate 6 of the stadium in a westerly direction. So I can almost guaruntee that he wanted into that stadium with his bomb, a chilling thought in itself.

The bomb itself was made from the same material used in the London attacks and what the Shoebomber tried to use. 30 minutes after the explosion, Hinrichs Roomate and three other muslims were detained for a short spell, but the identity of the bomber could not have been figured out that quickly, so how'd they know who is roomate was, where he was at, etc.

The fact that it is true that Hinrich tried to buy ammonium nitrate a couple of times in bulk also is a chilling piece of evidence. All of this could be one huge coincidence and the roomate was picked up in a coincidental form and Hinrich was just looking to green his lawn up (interesting that he lives in an apartment complex three blocks from the only Mosque in norman, but I digress on that).

Law Enforcement also found bomb making material and 13 "plastic bottles" in the apartment and in his car. Every report is denied that any Islamic material was found in the apartment, but local sources are saying that the denials are hiding the real truth, and there has been spin put on those reports that Islamic materials were found.

So what I'm asking to everyone here that with the following above what do you think? Was the whole October 1 incident just an act of individual suicide? Did the kid decide to place himself in that very spot and decide to blow himself up and that was that? You know my opinon, the kid was affiliated with a local group of radical Islamists that tried to pull of a major attack on Oklahoma's grandest stage. What is yours?

Extra Point
10-14-2005, 02:43 AM
Makes you think that Muslim extremist fabric covers a lot of area. Oklahoma has several key aviation training and maintenance facilities. Hope Tinker AFB is under good watch. With the closing of various bases across the US, security will surely be boosted.

Vigilence is key. We need to always be on our guard.

RedDread
10-14-2005, 03:26 AM
I would hope that the Faculty of OU would take hard look at who Hinrichs was associating with in the weeks leading up to the suicide bombing. While he may have been a 3rd year mechanical engineering student, I think someone would have raised an eyebrow had he started researching and dealing with explosives. The story doesn't add up to me, if you were depressed and had a history of depression why would you go to such great lengths to kill yourself, and possibly others. Make no mistake, most suicide bombers are *not* simply depressed people They are people with motive and drive. Now matter how corrupt their intentions are, these people are dedicated. A person who is seriously depressed has a tough time just getting out of bed in the morning, let alone researching materials for bomb making, acquiring them, building the bomb itself, and then researching a target and doing test runs.

Working alone through all of this and the only thing that was mentioned was severe depression? To me that doesn't fit.

Extra Point
10-14-2005, 04:42 AM
It seems to fit the McVeigh profile. Poor parental relationship. Loner accepting religious tenets of others, who coaxed him into doing the deed? Where does the american muslim church find most of its converts? Remote denonation of Hinrichs as a hostage?

Unfortunately, a lot of taxpayer money will have to be spent to uncover this story. What a shame for someone to try and take others out in this instance!

Wish the judges that dole out the sentences would give parallel sentences to the crime. Involved in planning a bomb tragedy? Let's strap a dynamite stick around your waist and fire it off, giving you your last ten to thirty minutes to reflect on how your actions affected others!

I wish suicide bombers would rehearse their acts with their leaders.

tiptap
10-14-2005, 07:23 AM
It seems to fit the McVeigh profile. Poor parental relationship. Loner accepting religious tenets of others, who coaxed him into doing the deed? Where does the american muslim church find most of its converts? Remote denonation of Hinrichs as a hostage?

Unfortunately, a lot of taxpayer money will have to be spent to uncover this story. What a shame for someone to try and take others out in this instance!

Wish the judges that dole out the sentences would give parallel sentences to the crime. Involved in planning a bomb tragedy? Let's strap a dynamite stick around your waist and fire it off, giving you your last ten to thirty minutes to reflect on how your actions affected others!

I wish suicide bombers would ehearse their acts with their leaders.

There has been a large Muslim contingent in OKC area for years. There was a big flap when a Physician wanted to build a Mosque in Edmond 12 to 15 years ago. So there is this isolation of those of Islamic beliefs around the OKC area. That this population was involved in the OKC bombing was the immediate thought. But this is also an area that has provided strong monetary support so you don't kill the goose and the denials and direct connection where not there. But there is slight suggestions that McVeigh may have gotten guidance in making bombs from the distribution of information in this community. I think that is a stretch. McVeigh simple did research and finally got the ingredients and fuse right. The size of the bomb and the make up was not a recipe used by Middle East bombs. I don't see there being a comfort level in these two groups, Muslim religious and extreme anti big govenment.
That dismissed, in this escalated climate in which Muslims are prone to see themselves under attack, there are those who are inclined to reach a pitch to act and to do so violently. (Loners can see themselves against the mainstream like the Columbine kids) so the atmosphere recruits those who would see violence as an option expecially with the strong vein of 'justified' violence that is part of the Koran (and the Old Testament as well that models justified violent acts for extreme jewish and christian sects).

Ari Chi3fs
10-14-2005, 07:30 AM
DC DC DC DC DC DC

Extra Point
10-14-2005, 07:34 AM
Interesting perspective, tiptap.

ChiefsGirl
10-14-2005, 07:40 AM
DC DC DC DC DC DC

Why? So no-one would see it? Are you trying to hide something "Ali".:hmmm:











j/k :)

Wichita Lineman
10-14-2005, 08:02 AM
I think that if we are not very very careful our own constitution could bring about a Musilum takeover attempt from within our own borders. I believe that Bush went after the wrong people at the wrong time. I think if we don't start taking care of our own and to hell with every one else we are going to be burying a whole lot more Americans than we have so far. In short I agree with the person who posted this message. I hope we wake up before it's to late.

htismaqe
10-14-2005, 08:22 AM
:hmmm:

Seems to me somebody was talking about this a week ago...

Lzen
10-14-2005, 10:07 AM
Where did you get this? Is what this person is saying factual? Enquiring minds want to know.

RedDread
10-14-2005, 10:15 AM
I think that if we are not very very careful our own constitution could bring about a Musilum takeover attempt from within our own borders. I believe that Bush went after the wrong people at the wrong time. I think if we don't start taking care of our own and to hell with every one else we are going to be burying a whole lot more Americans than we have so far. In short I agree with the person who posted this message. I hope we wake up before it's to late.


And how exactly would this "Muslim Takeover" take place? Even if they bombed every building in D.C. or managed to take all the leaders of government hostage the 260 million of us who live here wouldn't recognize them as a legitimate government. U.S. Citizens aren't the most informed voters in the world, but they certainly aren't sheep either. If something like this ever happened I guarantee that there would be a counter attack by citizens or anarchy before we would be controlled by any muslim regeme. Fuggin rediculous :shake:

Do you often see bright lights in the sky moving erratically?

Pitt Gorilla
10-14-2005, 10:37 AM
There has been a large Muslim contingent in OKC area for years. There was a big flap when a Physician wanted to build a Mosque in Edmond 12 to 15 years ago. So there is this isolation of those of Islamic beliefs around the OKC area. That this population was involved in the OKC bombing was the immediate thought. But this is also an area that has provided strong monetary support so you don't kill the goose and the denials and direct connection where not there. But there is slight suggestions that McVeigh may have gotten guidance in making bombs from the distribution of information in this community. I think that is a stretch. McVeigh simple did research and finally got the ingredients and fuse right. The size of the bomb and the make up was not a recipe used by Middle East bombs. I don't see there being a comfort level in these two groups, Muslim religious and extreme anti big govenment.
That dismissed, in this escalated climate in which Muslims are prone to see themselves under attack, there are those who are inclined to reach a pitch to act and to do so violently. (Loners can see themselves against the mainstream like the Columbine kids) so the atmosphere recruits those who would see violence as an option expecially with the strong vein of 'justified' violence that is part of the Koran (and the Old Testament as well that models justified violent acts for extreme jewish and christian sects).There was flap when someone wanted to build a Mosque? Why?

Adept Havelock
10-14-2005, 11:34 AM
I think that if we are not very very careful our own constitution could bring about a Musilum takeover attempt from within our own borders.

RUN!!

The Black Helicopters are coming. Everybody put tinfoil on your hat!! It'll cancel out the mind control rays! Art Bell and David Icke told me so!!

Paranoia about a muslim coup in the US aside:

In all seriousness, the Feds and local LEA damn well ought to do a thorough investigation into this.