View Full Version : Violence at Ohio Neo-Nazi March

10-15-2005, 01:38 PM
TOLEDO, Ohio — A crowd that gathered to protest a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police and vandalizing vehicles. Six people were arrested and police, fire and media vehicles were damaged, Police Chief Mike Navarre said.

At least two dozen members of the Roanoke, Va.-based National Socialist Movement (search (javascript:siteSearch('National Socialist Movement');)), which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs that were harassing white residents.

The march was canceled, and the violence broke out about a quarter mile away from the park along the planned route.
Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for initially allowing the march.

"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
Two hours after authorities called off the march, 150 officers in helicopters and cruisers and on foot, bicycles and horses continued to chase bands of youths.


KC Kings
10-15-2005, 01:46 PM
Violence breaks out at a Nazi march???

What is this world coming to when you can't even go to a Nazi march on an autumn after noon without having to deal with violence.

10-15-2005, 01:50 PM
Can we import some of these protestors to the next Phelp's gathering?

10-15-2005, 01:55 PM
What a bunch of crazies!!

10-15-2005, 02:02 PM
Can we import some of these protestors to the next Phelp's gathering?

1st & Goal
10-15-2005, 02:03 PM
Was that in Ohio or did another hurrican hit New Orleans?

10-15-2005, 02:24 PM
Violence breaks out at a Nazi march???

What is this world coming to when you can't even go to a Nazi march on an autumn after noon without having to deal with violence.Say it aint so!

10-15-2005, 02:29 PM
I hate Ohio Nazis

10-15-2005, 02:55 PM
I hate Ohio Nazis

But the other Nazi's are OK?

National Socialism is like SOOO 1930's.

10-15-2005, 02:59 PM
I was wonderin' where Vailpass, Iowanian, MoHillbilly and Duck Dog were today.

Did I say that out loud?


10-15-2005, 03:06 PM
Boy that would suck to be a cop being forced to protect those dirtbags

Lonewolf Ed
10-15-2005, 03:12 PM
If those mind-warped cretins didn't cause a riot, they'd consider the day a failure.

10-15-2005, 03:12 PM
But the other Nazi's are OK?

National Socialism is like SOOO 1930's.

I was trying to spoof the Blues Brothers...

"I hate Illinois Nazis"

...sorry I had to explain it.

10-15-2005, 03:14 PM
why can't we just kill those nazis, kkk and some of those other crazies, even the army of god, America would be better off without them

10-15-2005, 03:20 PM
Sorry, wrong thread

10-15-2005, 04:20 PM
I was trying to spoof the Blues Brothers...

"I hate Illinois Nazis"

...sorry I had to explain it.
I was with you, kind of takes the spark away when you have to explain it.

10-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Here's an update from the Toledo Blade's website:


Violence erupts in North Toledo after Nazi march is canceled; mayor declares curfew


Mayor Jack Ford declared a state of emergency this afternoon following a violent uprising in North Toledo that erupted following an aborted march by a group of Nazis.

He issued a citywide curfew starting at 8 p.m. tonight, tomorrow, and possibly Monday.

Mr. Ford said those protesting were mainly male gang members in their 20s. He said the protests were not triggered by race relations but by gang members with grievances.

"We went to talk to them. Most of them were gang members in full colors," the mayor said. "Their anger was based on some long-standing things but also that we had allowed the [Nazi] walk to occur in the first place."

North Toledo descended into chaos for several hours this afternoon after angry crowds who turned out to protest a planned march by a small group of National Socialist Movement calling themselves "America’s Nazi Party" erupted into violence.

A mob of at least 500 people threw bricks and rocks at police and vehicles, looted a bar at Central and Mulberry and started it on fire, and overturned a car at a North Toledo gas station and burned it.

There were reports of minor injuries to police and numerous arrests.

The violence started around noon as police were getting ready to escort about 15 Nazis on a march that was supposed to start at Wilson Park and continue on Mulberry Street and Bronson and Dexter Avenues, ending up back at the park.

Because of the violence - which broke out along Stickney Avenue away from the Nazis gathered in the park - police cancelled the march and told the Nazis to leave, which they did.

The violence began dying down around 4:30 p.m., according to Lt.
Frank Ramirez of the Toledo Police Department. But Mr. Ramizez said it was touch-and-go for several hours, and he was concerned about possible violence tonight.

"Originally, it was just crowd control. Then it went out of control,"
he said. "We just had to scramble" to bring in more police officers to back up the already beefed up presence of 150 officers on hand for the Nazi march.

"It was a mob. Obviously, the unexpected happened," Mr. Ramirez said.

He estimated at least 60 percent of Toledo’s police force was on duty just in the North Toledo area because of the violence, and the Lucas County sheriff’s office also was on hand.

Toledo Police chief Mike Navarre praised his officers, saying they "performed remarkably" and showed a lot of restraint. Before sending in police in force to make arrests at around 3:30 p.m., Mayor Ford and Toledo Fire Department chief Mike Bell approached the mob and attempted to negotiate a compromise. But as they talked, and as the crowd yelled and screamed at them, looters broke into the bar at Central and Mulberry and began taking merchandise.

Mr. Bell eventually began walking back toward a large group of police shaking his head.

"No more negotiating," he said. "We’re done. They just set a building on fire."

Chief Navarre said there were upwards of several dozen arrests made but he did not have exact numbers. He added that some police officers and fire fighters were injured in the melee but their injuries were not serious.

The chief said police could have arrested hundreds of people who were involved in incidents of looting, burning businesses, and throwing rocks.

10-15-2005, 05:26 PM
Hmmm...gang members vs. Nazis. Got to go with the gang members on this one. Thanks for taking out the trash, boys.

10-15-2005, 05:43 PM
I always wondered if organizations like them would even bother with demonstrations if nobody showed up once or twice to acknowlege their presence.

Much like the licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world will never know.

10-15-2005, 06:53 PM
National Review Online ran the following Flashback last month of a piece that originally ran in 1991:


September 01, 2005, 1:16 p.m.
A Riot Primer
The importance of using force to control the spread of urban riots.

By Eugene H. Methvin

EDITOR'S NOTE: This piece appeared in the June 10, 1991, issue of National Review.

Do we have to relearn every couple of decades — at high cost in blood and treasure — the ABCs of riot ignition and suppression?

Two recent outbursts of urban mass violence suggest we may be in for a chain reaction of anti-police rioting like the ones that erupted in Harlem and five other cities in 1964, followed by the bloody "long hot summer" riots in Watts, Newark, Detroit, Washington, and many other cities in 1965-68. Following the vicious Los Angeles police beating of Rodney King on March 3, police attempts to arrest street drunks, a routine occurrence, produced a minor riot in Houston and major violence in Washington, D.C.

In a drug-and-gang-infested neighborhood in Houston, on Saturday night, May 4, a solo policeman came upon a man who appeared intoxicated. The officer told the man he would have to go to jail. The man refused and shoved the officer. "At that time I noticed another man standing behind me with a video camera, filming the whole thing. It was an obvious setup," said Officer J. R. Deugenio, who wisely beat a retreat. A crowd of some 75 to 100 people gathered, and bottles and rocks rained down on his patrol car before he could escape. He reported hearing four or five shots. Two similar incidents had occurred in the same neighborhood on Saturday, April 20. In each case an officer's car was pelted with rocks, sticks, and bottles, and he was forced to yield a prisoner. Houston Police Chief Elizabeth M. Watson ordered her cops not to enter the area, less than a mile west of downtown, without backup.

In Washington, D.C., on Sunday, May 5, a black female police officer attempted to arrest a Hispanic man who was drinking and unruly on a street in the Mount Pleasant area, heavily populated by recent Central American immigrants. The man drew a knife and advanced, the officer reported, whereupon she shot and severely wounded him. The rumor spread that he was dead, shot while handcuffed. A flashfire of violence erupted as hundreds of youths set fire to police cars, smashed windows, and looted. Washington's new mayor, Sharon Pratt Dixon, at first ordered police to disperse crowds but make no arrests. The second night, running gangs of youths fought a thousand policemen, burning and looting as they spread out. Mayor Dixon then declared a curfew and ordered arrests, whereupon the violence subsided. Police made 230 arrests in three days.

City officials said no more than six hundred youths were involved and claimed a great triumph since no one died, in contrast to the 1968 riots, in which 13 people died. But merchants and residents in the area bitterly criticized the initial police inaction.

Mayor Dixon's no-arrest order precisely replicated the initial blunders of 1968. If other mayors and police chiefs follow her example, the nation will be in for a "long hot summer" indeed. For the lesson of history is plain: In riot situations, the earlier the police make arrests, and the more arrests they make, the lower will be the toll in life, limb, and property. And the cop on the street will not act decisively unless he feels he has the support of his superiors — principally his chief and mayor.

The social phenomenon is well documented, but the books lie on library shelves, dusted off only once a generation or so by mayoral or presidential commissions. We need only look at Atlanta in 1905; East St. Louis in 1917; Charleston, Chicago, Washington, Boston, and Knoxville in 1919; Harlem in 1935; Detroit in 1943; and Harlem to Watts to Washington and nearly everywhere else in 1964-68.

Moral Holiday

In a nutshell: Riots begin when some set of social forces temporarily overwhelms or paralyzes the police, who stand by, their highly visible inaction signaling to the small percentage of teenaged embryonic psychopaths and hardened young adults that a moral holiday is under way. This criminal minority spearheads the car-burning, window-smashing, and blood-letting, mobbing such hate targets as blacks, or white merchants, or lone cops. Then the drawing effect brings out the large crowds of older men, and women and children, to share the Roman carnival of looting. Then the major killing begins: slow runners caught in burning buildings and-as civic forces mobilize-in police and National Guard gunfire.

The books are on the shelf- let the responsible authorities in city hall and police headquarters check them out.

The time to halt a riot is right at the start, by pinching off the criminal spearhead with precise and overwhelming force. The cops will usually be caught flat-footed (no pun intended) by the initial outbreak. But they need to spring into a pre-arranged mobilization that should always be as ready in every major city as the fire-department or hospital disaster-response program.

While Detroit Burned

In the worst urban riots of the 1960s — Watts, Newark, Detroit, and Washington — the police did nothing or next to it for the first several hours. Deaths and property destruction soared. Contrast what happened in Toledo 36 hours after Detroit's outburst.

There, five hundred young men began breaking windows along a six-block stretch. The fourth police cruiser arriving radioed: "Do you want us to observe?" That such a question should even have been asked was damning proof that Americans had let years of extreme court rulings and hysterical "police brutality" propaganda paralyze our last line of defense against criminal anarchy.

Yet in Toledo the answer snapped back steely and clear. Police Chief Tony Bosh happened to be monitoring the radio and he barked: Arrest every lawbreaker you can — and meet illegal force with legal force!"

Just as quickly, Toledo's mayor requested and Ohio Governor James Rhodes called in five hundred National Guardsmen to stand behind police in reserve, with well-publicized orders to kill if necessary to maintain order. They were never needed. Toledo's police arrested 22 people (nine for possessing firebombs) in the first three hours. That was almost triple the number Detroit and Newark police arrested in the same period.

Chief Bosh laid out for a Senate committee the criminal records, "some as long as your arm," of the rioters jailed in his city's three-day eruption. Of the 126 adults a startling 105 had prior arrests, averaging six apiece. Every single one of the 22 young adults jailed in the first three hours had criminal records; they averaged only twenty years old and three prior arrests apiece. The twenty young men jailed on firebomb charges averaged four apiece.

The result of the quick arrest policy: Toledo's trouble hardly earned the name "riot." No one died — not one person, looter, policeman, or innocent bystander. The will that Toledo's civil authorities displayed, like a heavy rain on a kindling forest fire, made the difference between "incident" and "insurrection." They withdrew the one essential ingredient for a major riot: implied official permission for criminals and rowdies to coalesce and rebel.

As Santayana said, those who do not study history are condemned to repeat it.

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 07:15 PM
Violence at Ohio Neo-Nazi MarchWell, that's shocking.

10-15-2005, 09:02 PM
Why are cops protecting Nazi's?

That is freakin retarded!

I hate Nazi's.

10-15-2005, 09:05 PM
Why are cops protecting Nazi's?

That is freakin retarded!

I hate Nazi's.

That pesky 1st Amendment.

10-15-2005, 09:22 PM
I say kick their asses. That amendment is more of a guideline anyway

Hammock Parties
10-15-2005, 09:24 PM
Nazis have....


But really, they thought they were on international waters.

10-15-2005, 09:31 PM
The only thing that surprises me about this is that the toledo police had time to march 15 nazi's on a parade whch left the city open for gang activity. Oh but the gangs were there nice move to get them all in one place.

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 09:33 PM

Most justifiable riot ever.

10-15-2005, 09:44 PM
Those stupid skinheads need to watch Downfall-and if they are still Nazi's after that-ship them to Rowanda-that would be poetic justice.

10-16-2005, 01:37 AM
why can't we just kill those nazis, kkk and some of those other crazies, even the army of god, America would be better off without them

We should also kill off all the white-hating minorities with the nazi's.. I mean fair is fair..

Ugly Duck
10-16-2005, 01:37 AM
Hmmm...gang members vs. Nazis. Got to go with the gang members on this one. Thanks for taking out the trash, boys.I don't think it was gang members vs Nazis cuz the violence didn't start till after the Nazis were gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was gang members attacking miscellaneous stuff because they were pissed that the Nazis were there earlier. The cops told the nazis to leave, they did, and then afterwards the gang members went wild.



10-16-2005, 01:39 AM
Nazis have....


But really, they thought they were on international waters.

Americans have a history of violence, **** everybody does.. Gangs have a history of violence.. One is bad as the other...

10-16-2005, 02:27 AM
George Bush doesn't care about gang members....