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Calcountry
10-15-2005, 04:20 PM
I wonder how long it will last. This would be a huge upset.

CupidStunt
10-15-2005, 04:36 PM
USC is just the most casual team in the history of college football.

Hey, it works.... against the Oregon's and Arizona's of the world.

Shamefully, there's too many of them in the Pac-10.

I expect ND to actually compete in the 2nd half.

SNR
10-15-2005, 04:36 PM
They actually won 33-10 over U of Minnesota-Duluth

:p

Chiefs Pantalones
10-15-2005, 04:41 PM
I expect ND to actually compete in the 2nd half.

I expect USC to run away with it in the 2nd half.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 04:45 PM
I expect USC to run away with it in the 2nd half.

I expect USC to pull it out, but I think it'll be a fight. I'm actually a pessimistic ND fan though, so who knows.

leviw
10-15-2005, 05:03 PM
I have a theory that Pete Carroll just puts USC in difficult situations to see how they respond. I'm probably wrong, but I think this team is just too good to lose this year.

Much like 2003 Oklahoma....

Mecca
10-15-2005, 05:26 PM
It just cracks me up how bad the media wants Notre Dame to be an elite program again. You win 3 games you go from #54 to #9 that's really funny to me.

Alot of the older voters for those poles should realize Notre Dame isn't the premier program in college football anymore, hasn't been for decades.

Personally, I want USC to dominate the rest of this game so all this Notre Dame bullshit goes away.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 05:28 PM
It just cracks me up how bad the media wants Notre Dame to be an elite program again. You win 3 games you go from #54 to #9 that's really funny to me.

Alot of the older voters for those poles should realize Notre Dame isn't the premier program in college football anymore, hasn't been for decades.

Personally, I want USC to dominate the rest of this game so all this Notre Dame bullshit goes away.Well they have tied it up now.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 05:43 PM
It just cracks me up how bad the media wants Notre Dame to be an elite program again. You win 3 games you go from #54 to #9 that's really funny to me.

Alot of the older voters for those poles should realize Notre Dame isn't the premier program in college football anymore, hasn't been for decades.

Personally, I want USC to dominate the rest of this game so all this Notre Dame bullshit goes away.

They've won 4 games and they play the toughest schedule in the country, bar none.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 05:50 PM
Going to the 4rth Q now and ND is driving, 21-21

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 05:52 PM
It's 24-21 ND.

Skip Towne
10-15-2005, 05:52 PM
They've won 4 games and they play the toughest schedule in the country, bar none.
They've been saying that for years while continuing to schedule Army.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 05:56 PM
They've been saying that for years while continuing to schedule Army.

They don't play Army this year. They ALWAYS play a service school though. That's nothing new.

Skip Towne
10-15-2005, 05:57 PM
They don't play Army this year. They ALWAYS play a service school though. That's nothing new.
That's GOT to hurt their SOS.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 05:59 PM
That's GOT to hurt their SOS.

Yeah, but every team plays a few cupcakes early on so it gets drowned out. They play good enough teams week in and week out that they're ok with SOS.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:01 PM
What a great call on that screen pass...

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:01 PM
Does someone have this on TV? Updates would be appreciated. I just have this gamecaster crap from espn, and it doesn't refresh automatically, P.I.T.A.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:01 PM
ND's driving. 8 minutes left.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:02 PM
What a great call on that screen pass...There you go, give me the updates. :thumb:

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:03 PM
Ahhhh, overthrew a wide open WR on third down, ND has to settle for a FG...

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:03 PM
And he misses it. Ouch. That could be crucial....

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:03 PM
Missed the FG. :shake:

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:04 PM
Missed the FG. :shake:No, not antibiotics. That is NOT the way to unseat the defending national champion.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:09 PM
And there goes Reggie Bush across midfield... got the ball in ND territory.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:13 PM
Killer personal foul on ND... went from being 3rd and long to first and goal....

And Reggie Bush scores. 28-24 USC, just over 5 minutes to go.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:14 PM
Bullshit personal foul call gives USC a TD.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:20 PM
Great finish in Ann Arbor

Michigan scores with no time left, sends JoPa home with a loss.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:20 PM
Two great decisions by Quinn, two first downs... ND almost to midfield...

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:20 PM
Another slant for a first down... ND in USC territory.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:22 PM
Draw play for a 1st down. ND inside the 30, just over 3 minutes to go...

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:22 PM
HUGE gain on a draw play, 20 yard gain... ND has it 1st and goal, 2:52 left.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:23 PM
1st and goal.

My ND +12 looks good right now.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:23 PM
Must be TD.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:23 PM
Short gain to near the 5, 2nd and goal, clock running...

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
FG does them no good.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
Quinn runs to the right side and dives for a TD... ND takes the lead, 2:04 to go...

leviw
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
a td does though

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip Towne
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
I hope ND wins this one...................then falls on its ass.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
TOUCHDOWN IRISH.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:24 PM
Short gain to near the 5, 2nd and goal, clock running...Downs is all that matter right now, and GL.

AWESOME!!!! I bet they are jacked.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:25 PM
PAT is good, 31-28 Notre Dame, 2:04 to go.

Great, great drive, every single play they ran that drive was executed to perfection. Charlie Weis knows his stuff.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:25 PM
SC still has time for a FG. No way this ones over.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:27 PM
Reggie Bush runs the kickoff back to the 24. 1:58 to go, USC has two timeouts... announcers saying the ND crowd is as loud as they've ever heard it...

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:27 PM
1st down pass incomplete to the right side, overthrew the WR who was double covered anyway....

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:28 PM
Reggie Bush runs the kickoff back to the 24. 1:58 to go, USC has two timeouts... announcers saying the ND crowd is as loud as they've ever heard it...TD Jesus has his hands up.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:28 PM
Sack! 3rd and 20 now... USC in deep trouble...

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:29 PM
USC timeout with 1:44 left. Only have one left.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:29 PM
Perhaps Matt Leinert should have went to the NFL after all.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:30 PM
Sack! 3rd and 20 now... USC in deep trouble...That dancing class aint gonna help you now Biotch.

Die SC die.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:30 PM
3rd down pass to Bush... gains some yards to give them a better shot on 4th down. USC takes their last timeout. Now 4th and 8, 1:32 left.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:31 PM
cue the Hells bells music,. this is it!~!!1

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
un fuggin believable

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
Caught! Huge gain! 64 yard gain... USC has the ball inside the 10. Wow....

leviw
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
OH WOW...Leinert is decent.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
I am tired of hitting refresh, gimme the news.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
Caught! Huge gain! 64 yard gain... USC has the ball inside the 10. Wow....:banghead::cuss::mad:

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:33 PM
Check that, ball outside the 10... 2nd and 10 now after an incomplete pass...

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:33 PM
3rd down....clock is running

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:34 PM
Got to hope for OT now.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:34 PM
1st and goal clock stopped

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:34 PM
Reggie Bush runs inside the 5 for a first down to stop the clock... :23 seconds to go...

ChiefsCountry
10-15-2005, 06:34 PM
Wow, ND did it.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:34 PM
0:00

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
Reggie Bush runs inside the 5 for a first down to stop the clock... :23 seconds to go...How many TO's do they have, don't say none he's on theEagles.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
Whoa, whoa whoa... chaos. Leinart tried to run it in... got stopped short, ball knocked out, clock kept running... now chaos on the field.

leviw
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
WHOA....How's it going to end...

Doug Eddings hold on to your hat..there might be a new goat to take your place after this is all settled.

svuba
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
wtf....? what happened

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
OT

Ebolapox
10-15-2005, 06:36 PM
why the f*ck didn't usc kick the field goal??

-EB-...didn't catch the game

ChiefsCountry
10-15-2005, 06:36 PM
Those lucky bastards.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:36 PM
Wow! Ball on the 1, seven seconds left, instead of spiking it they went for the QB sneak.... got it, USC leads.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:36 PM
WTF? how did they not call time out and kick a FG?

Ebolapox
10-15-2005, 06:37 PM
not to wax all chiefsplanet on this thread... but..


wtf is going on here??

-EB-

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:37 PM
What a horrible call.

The fumble went out at the five and they place the ball at the one inch line.

leviw
10-15-2005, 06:37 PM
Well that was entertaining.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 06:37 PM
I'd just like to point out the serious balls of Matt Leinart.

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:38 PM
No that was the right call I believe, Leinart lost the football,and it went out of bounds, so the clock stopped. Had he held onto the ball, clock woulda kept running and USC would've lost. But since he fumbled it out of bounds the clock stopped.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:38 PM
Wow! Ball on the 1, seven seconds left, instead of spiking it they went for the QB sneak.... got it, USC leads.Unfugging believable.

It will be on ESPN's instant classic tonight.

Got to hand it to the Irish for having game.

And to SC for having the balls to go for the win and put the streak on the line.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:38 PM
ND gets scewed and hard

tk13
10-15-2005, 06:38 PM
WTF? how did they not call time out and kick a FG?
They had none.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:39 PM
not to wax all chiefsplanet on this thread... but..


wtf is going on here??

-EB-I don't have it on TV and am waiting for the reports from those who do, so I am al itte behind sometimes. Sorry.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 06:39 PM
ND gets scewed and hard

Actually if you fumble out of bounds the clock is suppose to stop. The clock operator just ran it off when he shouldn't have.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:39 PM
No that was the right call I believe, Leinart lost the football,and it went out of bounds, so the clock stopped. Had he held onto the ball, clock woulda kept running and USC would've lost. But since he fumbled it out of bounds the clock stopped.

Yes--but the ball didn't go out at the 1-inch line.

They fugged ND.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:40 PM
Actually if you fumble out of bounds the clock is suppose to stop. The clock operator just ran it off when he shouldn't have.

It's not the time- it's where they placed the ball

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:42 PM
Actually if you fumble out of bounds the clock is suppose to stop. The clock operator just ran it off when he shouldn't have.

The clock operator stops the clock when the refs motion for it. The refs didn't motion for the clock to stop until it was 0:00. Horseshit.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:43 PM
I can't believe these two stupid announcers have yet to figure that out.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 06:43 PM
You can't tell me that you legit think the clock should have ran out when he fumbled out of bounds and it ran for an extra 7 seconds.

Skip Towne
10-15-2005, 06:45 PM
ND gets scewed and hard
Nice, ain't it?

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 06:45 PM
You can't tell me that you legit think the clock should have ran out when he fumbled out of bounds and it ran for an extra 7 seconds.

No one knows how long the clock ran for because the refs never blew the play dead. Furthermore, the ball went out at about the 5 on the fumble. The refs handed USC the ball on the friggin' one inch line.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:45 PM
I'd just like to point out the serious balls of Matt Leinart.If he had balls, he would be in the NFL right now. He has absolutely nothing to prove at the college level IMHO.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 06:47 PM
The clock operator stops the clock when the refs motion for it. The refs didn't motion for the clock to stop until it was 0:00. Horseshit.The refs keep the official time on the field, so if they should have blown it dead, then its dead, and the amount of time they have, is the official time.

irishjayhawk
10-15-2005, 06:47 PM
The spot of the ball was what I was irate about as I was rooting for the Irish. They gave them the ball clearly too close than it should have been.

Ebolapox
10-15-2005, 06:47 PM
If he had balls, he would be in the NFL right now. He has absolutely nothing to prove at the college level IMHO.

naw, the kid has his whole life ahead of him--the man is swimming in poonanner right about now--if he never plays another down of football as long as he lives, he's a millionaire (he's insured for 10 mill in case of injury)--plus, I bet there are a lot of USC alums who'd pay him a nice six figure a year salary to just sit around and shoot the shit

-EB-

Mecca
10-15-2005, 06:48 PM
If he had balls, he would be in the NFL right now. He has absolutely nothing to prove at the college level IMHO.

Explain to me why he'd want to leave? He's the king of L.A., no NFL team there everything going his way. He has basically no classes, he's living the life. I don't blame him one bit for that, also he's the premier QB for the premier team in the NCAA.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:51 PM
Nice, ain't it?

I was actually pulling for them.

Though it really didn't matter - they were getting 12.

Pretty easy win.

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 06:52 PM
The spot of the ball was what I was irate about as I was rooting for the Irish. They gave them the ball clearly too close than it should have been.

No question.

At that point ND should have burned a timeout and reiterated that to the refs, and set their D.

irishjayhawk
10-15-2005, 06:55 PM
Yeah they definately should have done that. Of course in that situation regardless of what people think, instant replay should be FORCED upon them just to get teh call right

jAZ
10-15-2005, 06:59 PM
Yes--but the ball didn't go out at the 1-inch line.

They fugged ND.
FYI, they didn't spot it at the 1 inch line. They started to, and then moved it about a yard back. The entire SC line had to back up because they pushed the spot back.

ND didn't get screwed at all.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 07:00 PM
It'll be funny watching guys like Lou Holtz on ESPN go nuts about this on their College show.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 07:02 PM
Explain to me why he'd want to leave? He's the king of L.A., no NFL team there everything going his way. He has basically no classes, he's living the life. I don't blame him one bit for that, also he's the premier QB for the premier team in the NCAA.Perhaps what he did is better than the pussing out way that Eli Manning and John Elway entered the NFL.

Ebolapox
10-15-2005, 07:03 PM
much better--f*ck john elway (I don't mind elly manning)

-EB-

Michael Michigan
10-15-2005, 07:08 PM
FYI, they didn't spot it at the 1 inch line. They started to, and then moved it about a yard back. The entire SC line had to back up because they pushed the spot back.

ND didn't get screwed at all.

Sure they did.

The ball is dead where it goes out of bounds - not where he gets hit.

irishjayhawk
10-15-2005, 07:10 PM
Exactly. The ball was clearly out passed the 1. Personally I thought about the 3.5 yard line. That is NOT close enough for a sneak...changes the whole scenario.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:11 PM
They never should've allowed them to convert a 60 yard pass on 4th and 8.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 07:12 PM
They never should've allowed them to convert a 60 yard pass on 4th and 8.Have to agree with that statement. They had game set and match right there. ND needed one play, and SC made it.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 07:14 PM
In the end it's still funny. Hopefully this will send all the "Notre Dame is the premier program in college football" people away for a few weeks. Nothing is more annoying than the people who think because a team was good in 1942 they are the end all be all of todays college football.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Nothing is more annoying than the people who think because a team was good in 1942 they are the end all be all of todays college football.

Nah, I think you're more annoying.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 07:22 PM
In the end it's still funny. Hopefully this will send all the "Notre Dame is the premier program in college football" people away for a few weeks. Nothing is more annoying than the people who think because a team was good in 1942 they are the end all be all of todays college football.Perhaps if you had a "student athlete power ranking", you know, one that included academic performance as an amplifier of the strength of a colleges program, then ND would have more props? Certainly more than a football factory like SC.

For the Record. When FSU, my alma matter kicked their ass in the shitbowl in Anaheim a few years ago, it was fuggin sweet.

NJ Chief Fan
10-15-2005, 07:23 PM
nd lost cause weiss was to conservative

Cochise
10-15-2005, 07:24 PM
Wah. To get screwed you have to allow yourself into a position to BE screwed. They shouldn't have let them run 60 yards down the field in one play. Or, they could have stopped the sneak play at the goalline.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:25 PM
nd lost cause weiss was to conservative

[/didn't watch the game]

Pitt Gorilla
10-15-2005, 07:27 PM
The spot of the ball was what I was irate about as I was rooting for the Irish. They gave them the ball clearly too close than it should have been.
I doubt it would have mattered. If the spot of the ball (which was correct, by the way) was what the ND fans were booing about after the game, they are more pathetic than they demonstrated when they ran onto the field before the game was over.

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 07:27 PM
To get screwed you have to allow yourself into a position to BE screwed How true this statement is. lmao.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:28 PM
Yeah it would've mattered. USC wasn't going to run another play from the 3 or 4 after almost having the clock run out on them the play before. Hell, Pete Carroll wanted Leinart to spike the ball when they were on the 1 inch line, no way he goes for it from 3 or 4 yards out.

Mecca
10-15-2005, 07:30 PM
Yes Notre Dame has high academic standards but if kids wanted to go there they could get top notch players. The fact of the matter is alot of the highly touted kids don't view Notre Dame as a premier program any longer. You can't tell me every single top notch recruit is a moron who can't make grades.

Notre Dame has't won a National Title in what? 20 years? Young kids don't even know of Notre Dame being an elite program. Urban Meyer turned them down by basically saying "Florida's a better job".

One of the reasons I dislike Notre Dame is the straight media bias. A few wins over some blah teams like Pitt and Notre Dame shoots 20 spots in the rankings. The older voters want Notre Dame to be good so bad that it's sad.

Also why is it when a recruit commits to Notre Dame he moves up about 10-20 spots on the recruit rankings?

NJ Chief Fan
10-15-2005, 07:31 PM
didn't watch the game]
of course i watched the game...charlie didnt throw as much as he usually would...he ran the ball far too much...usc secondary wouldnt have been able to stop the nd passing attack

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:35 PM
One of the reasons I dislike Notre Dame is the straight media bias. A few wins over some blah teams like Pitt and Notre Dame shoots 20 spots in the rankings. The older voters want Notre Dame to be good so bad that it's sad.

You watched them play today and you're going to piss and moan that the media overrates them?

Calcountry
10-15-2005, 07:35 PM
Yes Notre Dame has high academic standards but if kids wanted to go there they could get top notch players. The fact of the matter is alot of the highly touted kids don't view Notre Dame as a premier program any longer. You can't tell me every single top notch recruit is a moron who can't make grades.

Notre Dame has't won a National Title in what? 20 years? Young kids don't even know of Notre Dame being an elite program. Urban Meyer turned them down by basically saying "Florida's a better job".

One of the reasons I dislike Notre Dame is the straight media bias. A few wins over some blah teams like Pitt and Notre Dame shoots 20 spots in the rankings. The older voters want Notre Dame to be good so bad that it's sad.

Also why is it when a recruit commits to Notre Dame he moves up about 10-20 spots on the recruit rankings?No, I won't tell you that every single recruit is a moron, but a lot of them are.

DanT
10-15-2005, 07:37 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap;_ylt=ArFY6yRljFDQ.QIrlWM1g3kcvrYF?gid=200510150104

...Leinart scrambled from inside the 5, launched himself toward the end zone but was stopped short and the ball was sent flying out of bounds.

Watching it live, it looked like the fumble happened before the ruling that Leinart's forward progress had been stopped. As long as it happened before the refs ruled that his forward progress was stopped, it's a fumble, from what I understand.

On the other hand, what would be the procedure for the hypothetical situation where Leinart had been ruled to have been stopped and then the ball was sent flying? Does the clock stop at all while the officials retrieve the ball from out of bounds?

Pitt Gorilla
10-15-2005, 07:37 PM
Yeah it would've mattered. USC wasn't going to run another play from the 3 or 4 after almost having the clock run out on them the play before. Hell, Pete Carroll wanted Leinart to spike the ball when they were on the 1 inch line, no way he goes for it from 3 or 4 yards out.Damn, I can't believe you bought Carroll's "spike" call. My wife and I were watching the game and after it had taken quite a while to get the play set, we BOTH said he's not going to spike it. The impetus for a spike (stop the clock) was gone. They were never going to spike or kick the ball. You may be the only person who bought that.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Damn, I can't believe you bought Carroll's "spike" call. My wife and I were watching the game and after it had taken quite a while to get the play set, we BOTH said he's not going to spike it. The impetus for a spike (stop the clock) was gone. They were never going to spike or kick the ball. You may be the only person who bought that.

Nah, I had a feeling it was a decoy because there wasn't any reason to really spike. If he was going to kick the FG he would've trotted the kicker out there. They wouldn't have ran a play from the 3 or 4 though. That would've been stupid, especially with the pressure ND was getting on Leinart.

Skip Towne
10-15-2005, 07:43 PM
In the end it's still funny. Hopefully this will send all the "Notre Dame is the premier program in college football" people away for a few weeks. Nothing is more annoying than the people who think because a team was good in 1942 they are the end all be all of todays college football.
You're way off on your dates. ND has been very good since the 50's up until the last few years. I hate them but them's the facts.

Pitt Gorilla
10-15-2005, 07:46 PM
Nah, I had a feeling it was a decoy because there wasn't any reason to really spike. If he was going to kick the FG he would've trotted the kicker out there. They wouldn't have ran a play from the 3 or 4 though. That would've been stupid, especially with the pressure ND was getting on Leinart.
I thought you just said that Carroll wanted Leinart to spike it? He never wanted him to spike it.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 07:48 PM
I wasn't sure of Carroll's thinking as everything was happening(the chaos that ensued), but I knew he wasn't going to spike it so it's not as if it was something to fall for.

irishjayhawk
10-15-2005, 07:49 PM
I revise my initial thoughts on the placement of the ball. It should have been marked at about the 2 yard line.

That said, they did give up that 64 yard pass.

Chiefnj
10-15-2005, 07:55 PM
I really dislike ND, but they got scewed on the placement of the ball after the fumble.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-15-2005, 08:42 PM
That was a classic. Awesome game. I hope they replay it. One of the best recent games of the 21st Century in college football, IMO.

jAZ
10-15-2005, 09:16 PM
Sure they did.

The ball is dead where it goes out of bounds - not where he gets hit.
Which is why they moved it from the 1-inch line (as you pointed out) to the 1 yard line where it went out.

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 09:24 PM
They've won 4 games and they play the toughest schedule in the country, bar none.
9/3 Sat @ Pittsburgh W 42 21
9/10 Sat @ Michigan W 17 10
9/17 Sat vs. Michigan State L 41 44
9/24 Sat @ Washington W 36 17
10/1 Sat @ Purdue W 49 28

Pitt, Washington, and Purdue... truly the best of the best this year. BYU, Navy, Syracuse, and Stanford will be BRUTAL showdowns, I'm sure.

Yes Notre Dame has high academic standards but if kids wanted to go there they could get top notch players.Hush, you! Notre Dame is the best football program in the country, way better than those "football factories" who have no class or tradition or integrity. Even when they're terrible, they're better than everyone else because, uh, because... hey, look over there!

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 09:33 PM
9/3 Sat @ Pittsburgh W 42 21
9/10 Sat @ Michigan W 17 10
9/17 Sat vs. Michigan State L 41 44
9/24 Sat @ Washington W 36 17
10/1 Sat @ Purdue W 49 28

Pitt, Washington, and Purdue... truly the best of the best this year. BYU, Navy, Syracuse, and Stanford will be BRUTAL showdowns, I'm sure

Find a tougher schedule, factoring in road games and the season as a whole; not just particular games.

Granted the schedule has been easier than it looked originally(Pitt and Purdue were both ranked when they played them), they don't have the advantage of playing Joe Schmo State early in the season or feeding on the bottom teams if they were in a conference. They try to field a tough schedule.

tk13
10-15-2005, 09:35 PM
Hush, you! Notre Dame is the best football program in the country, way better than those "football factories" who have no class or tradition or integrity.

*Cough*Marshall*Cough*

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 09:40 PM
Find a tougher schedule, factoring in road games and the season as a whole; not just particular games.Pitt, Syracuse, Stanford, Washington, Navy, and Purdue = Weak.
Michigan State = Iffy.
Michigan, USC, Tennescared = Very good.

That is not "best schedule in the country" material. Not that I buy into the "OMG EVARY GAM IS TUFF" argument, because there are plenty of mediocre teams even in the "power" conferences, but there are just as many big games in a given Big Ten/Big XII/ACC/SEC team's schedule as there are on Notre Dame's, and you certainly have your fair share of creampuffs; unless you're trying to argue that Syracuse and Washington are badass, or something?

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 09:42 PM
*Cough*Marshall*Cough*Well, okay. Marshall's #1, and Notre Dame is a close second. Nobody else compares.

Nice 20-19 win over UAB in Huntington tonight, Herd. Oddly, I'm kind of disappointed in UAB, even if I do hate their five fans.

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 09:44 PM
Pitt, Syracuse, Stanford, Washington, Navy, and Purdue = Weak.
Michigan State = Iffy.
Michigan, USC, Tennescared = Very good.

That is not "best schedule in the country" material. Not that I buy into the "OMG EVARY GAM IS TUFF" argument, because there are plenty of mediocre teams even in the "power" conferences, but there are just as many big games in a given Big Ten or Big XII team's schedule as there are on Notre Dame's, and you certainly have your fair share of creampuffs; unless you're trying to argue that Syracuse and Washington are badass, or something?

Michigan State isn't iffy. They're good.

And you still didn't find a tougher schedule.

Ultra Peanut
10-15-2005, 10:01 PM
Michigan State isn't iffy. They're good.

And you still didn't find a tougher schedule.You honestly want me to dig through 119 schedules to disprove your homeristic assertion?

Pitt LOST to Ohio. Stanford lost to I-AA UC-Davis (the second year of that program's existence), and Washington's only win of the year came over Idaho.

Well, a quick glance provides an equal or better one:

Northwestern (Big Ten)
9/3 Sat vs. Ohio W 38 14
9/10 Sat vs. Northern Illinois W 38 37
9/17 Sat @ Arizona State L 21 52
9/24 Sat vs. *Penn State L 29 34
10/8 Sat vs. *Wisconsin W 51 48
10/15 Sat @ *Purdue
10/22 Sat @ *Michigan State
10/29 Sat vs. *Michigan
11/5 Sat vs. *Iowa
11/12 Sat @ *Ohio State
11/19 Sat @ *Illinois

Ohio, NIU, Illinois vs. Syracuse, Stanford, Washington, Pitt, Navy
Arizona State, Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin, Iowa vs. Michigan State, Purdue
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State vs. Michigan, USC, Tennessee

If you want to play the, "Well, it looked tough when we made it," game, then fine, Memphis' basketball schedule last year was the toughest in the nation. But just because it looked tough then doesn't mean you actually are playing the toughest schedule in the nation.

tk13
10-15-2005, 10:02 PM
Well, okay. Marshall's #1, and Notre Dame is a close second. Nobody else compares.

Nice 20-19 win over UAB in Huntington tonight, Herd. Oddly, I'm kind of disappointed in UAB, even if I do hate their five fans.
I was referring to Marshall as a football factory without integrity...

HolmeZz
10-15-2005, 10:05 PM
I didn't say ND didn't have bad teams on their schedule. I said as a whole they have one, if not the toughest schedule in the country. I'm not saying that based solely on this season. It's more or less the schedule they play every year.