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joesomebody
10-18-2005, 01:12 PM
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Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 01:13 PM
People are enamored by a punter that has caused three muffed punts.

jspchief
10-18-2005, 01:13 PM
Isn't he from Tennessee? I imagine it's just his family, and with all the inbreeding down there, that really adds up to a lot of family.

siberian khatru
10-18-2005, 01:31 PM
Isn't he from Tennessee? I imagine it's just his family, and with all the inbreeding down there, that really adds up to a lot of family.

What's the old joke? Something about 3 million people and 10 last names?

ChiefsFanatic
10-18-2005, 02:40 PM
How many of his punts have actually been returned? I can think of one for sure, but that is all that sticks in my head.

And on the one I am thinking of, the ST coaches had him kick to the middle of the field when it was obvious that he should have angle kicked.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 02:54 PM
People are enamored by a punter that has caused three muffed punts.


Maybe they are enamored with the worst punter in the AFC to date? Worst gross and 2nd to worst net. Well behind Jason Baker who DV couldn't get himself to stop blaming every problem in the history of the Chiefs on...

Rain Man
10-18-2005, 03:06 PM
I've heard that if you wear Colquitt's jersey backwards, you can speak with a demonic voice.

dsgreene285
10-18-2005, 03:07 PM
How many of his punts have actually been returned? I can think of one for sure, but that is all that sticks in my head.

And on the one I am thinking of, the ST coaches had him kick to the middle of the field when it was obvious that he should have angle kicked.

why bother returning a punt if it only goes 35 yards. The kicking team can just leisurely walk down and they'll be in the face of the returner. His ranking is next to last in the NFL, by the way.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:08 PM
Maybe they are enamored with the worst punter in the AFC to date? Worst gross and 2nd to worst net. Well behind Jason Baker who DV couldn't get himself to stop blaming every problem in the history of the Chiefs on...


OMG, this is bullshit. The games I have been watching have him punting from around mid-field most of the time. I also seem to recall a stat that indicated we were among the worst in the NFL in Punt coverage? Just something you might want to consider before you make these kind of statements about the best punter we have had since Wilson.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:14 PM
OMG, this is bullshit. The games I have been watching have him punting from around mid-field most of the time. I also seem to recall a stat that indicated we were among the worst in the NFL in Punt coverage? Just something you might want to consider before you make these kind of statements about the best punter we have had since Wilson.

Well horrible punt coverage would explain away a great gross yet a poor net but since the gross and the net are both at the bottom then that appears to be completely irrelevant.

As for kicking around mid-field most of the time I haven't a clue to the real numbers there but if I had to guess the difference has little statistically difference from all the other punters in the league...I'm guessing they kick from mid-field just as often. If you can find otherwise I would certainly be interested in seeing such. Until then the numbers are what they are and they are currently at the bottom of the barrel....Just because we spent a 3rd round pick on him doesn't give him a free pass. My guess is he has plenty of talent and will eventually work his way up to one of the better punters in the league but until that happens I see no reason to pretend like the facts are some how not the facts.

Predarat
10-18-2005, 03:15 PM
All the women love a good muff diver, so they must want his jersey.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:19 PM
Well horrible punt coverage would explain away a great gross yet a poor net but since the gross and the net are both at the bottom then that appears to be completely irrelevant.

As for kicking around mid-field most of the time I haven't a clue to the real numbers there but if I had to guess the difference has little statistically difference from all the other punters in the league...I'm guessing they kick from mid-field just as often. If you can find otherwise I would certainly be interested in seeing such. Until then the numbers are what they are and they are currently at the bottom of the barrel....Just because we spent a 3rd round pick on him doesn't give him a free pass. My guess is he has plenty of talent and will eventually work his way up to one of the better punters in the league but until that happens I see no reason to pretend like the facts are some how not the facts.


I think maybe a larger sample than five games may resolve your questions on this. I can not remember but a single punt in the five games where he was able to kick all out and the hang time was tremendous. Of course then tackles are required. IMO the real problem is that our special teams suck.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 03:21 PM
Colquitt is doing his job. His punts aren't flashy but, guess what?

The Chiefs rank 9th in the NFL with an average punt return allowed of 5.6 yards.

Last year teams averaged 12.5 yards per punt return against us.

Only 8 of Colquitt's punts have even been returned. That is tied for the best in the league.

onescrewleftuntwisted
10-18-2005, 03:21 PM
he's a bad ass mo fo

tk13
10-18-2005, 03:24 PM
He also has the 6th longest punt in the NFL this season at 62 yards.

htismaqe
10-18-2005, 03:25 PM
I think maybe a larger sample than five games may resolve your questions on this. I can not remember but a single punt in the five games where he was able to kick all out and the hang time was tremendous. Of course then tackles are required. IMO the real problem is that our special teams suck.

The hang time on one of his punts yesterday was FIVE seconds...

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:29 PM
The hang time on one of his punts yesterday was FIVE seconds...


The guy actually is amazing to me, he is not your average kicker.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:30 PM
I think maybe a larger sample than five games may resolve your questions on this. I can not remember but a single punt in the five games where he was able to kick all out and the hang time was tremendous. Of course then tackles are required. IMO the real problem is that our special teams suck.


You might be dead right on this but only six punters have less inside the 20 so it certainly doesn't appear that he is being put in different situations than any other punter. There are also just 3 punters I believe with a higher touchback % to go along with his NFL low on gross average and 30th in the league net. We could disect these numbers all day and anyway we look at them they currently stink. Only stat of his that is above average is the Return Avg is 8th out of 32. But with the exception of Craig Hentrich their is a direct correlation between those with longer gross/net kicks and average return as those that kick it farther give the returner a little extra time to bring it back.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 03:32 PM
Who cares. No one is going to break a punt return on us this year.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:33 PM
Who cares. No one is going to break a punt return on us this year.


Talk about a really dumb jinx statement if I have ever seen one...Darrent Williams will probably run back two on us after that comment.

htismaqe
10-18-2005, 03:35 PM
You might be dead right on this but only six punters have less inside the 20 so it certainly doesn't appear that he is being put in different situations than any other punter. There are also just 3 punters I believe with a higher touchback % to go along with his NFL low on gross average and 30th in the league net. We could disect these numbers all day and anyway we look at them they currently stink. Only stat of his that is above average is the Return Avg is 8th out of 32. But with the exception of Craig Hentrich their is a direct correlation between those with longer gross/net kicks and average return as those that kick it farther give the returner a little extra time to bring it back.

He's struggled a bit with placement that's for sure. He's been asked several times to punt from the midfield area and they almost always seem to go into the endzone.

He'll work that out with practice IMO.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 03:35 PM
Talk about a really dumb jinx statement if I have ever seen one...Darrent Williams will probably run back two on us after that comment.

Not with an 8-second hangtime. :D

tk13
10-18-2005, 03:36 PM
He's still a rookie, you can't expect him to blow the league away.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:37 PM
You might be dead right on this but only six punters have less inside the 20 so it certainly doesn't appear that he is being put in different situations than any other punter. There are also just 3 punters I believe with a higher touchback % to go along with his NFL low on gross average and 30th in the league net. We could disect these numbers all day and anyway we look at them they currently stink. Only stat of his that is above average is the Return Avg is 8th out of 32. But with the exception of Craig Hentrich their is a direct correlation between those with longer gross/net kicks and average return as those that kick it farther give the returner a little extra time to bring it back.


Grampa used to say: "figures can lie and liars can figure" And some pool hall talk: he must be getting some "bad rolls."
I can truly say that I actually get some enjoyment out of watching a punt, something I never ever thought I would say.

Thig Lyfe
10-18-2005, 03:37 PM
Colquitt is doing his job. His punts aren't flashy but, guess what?

The Chiefs rank 9th in the NFL with an average punt return allowed of 5.6 yards.

Last year teams averaged 12.5 yards per punt return against us.

Only 8 of Colquitt's punts have even been returned. That is tied for the best in the league.

I've been happy with Colquitt's performance so far. Looks like the stats back me up.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 03:39 PM
Ray Guy, the GREATEST PUNTER IN NFL HISTORY, had a career gross average of 42.4 yards.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:42 PM
He's still a rookie, you can't expect him to blow the league away.


The #2, #12 and #18 ranked punters in the NFL are rookies...and #18 ranked Michael Koenen even trotted out and kicked a 58 yard FG for them at the end of the half....

Granted two of those three are dome kickers it is still not a great excuse especially since he allegedly warranted a 3rd round pick.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:47 PM
The #2, #12 and #18 ranked punters in the NFL are rookies...and #18 ranked Michael Koenen even trotted out and kicked a 58 yard FG for them at the end of the half....

Granted two of those three are dome kickers it is still not a great excuse especially since he allegedly warranted a 3rd round pick.


Thats it, lets see if we can trade him for Maurice Clarret, oh wait........

ChiefsFanatic
10-18-2005, 03:48 PM
OMG, this is bullshit. The games I have been watching have him punting from around mid-field most of the time. I also seem to recall a stat that indicated we were among the worst in the NFL in Punt coverage? Just something you might want to consider before you make these kind of statements about the best punter we have had since Wilson.


I wish I hadn't deleted my Tivo games. I could go back and count, but it does seem like a lot of his punts are from around midfield.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:50 PM
Thats it, lets see if we can trade him for Maurice Clarret, oh wait........


Punters and Clarett do have somthing in common....neither should have ever been drafted.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:52 PM
Punters and Clarett do have somthing in common....neither should have ever been drafted.


I could not disagree with you more on this one.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:54 PM
I could not disagree with you more on this one.


So you think Clarrett warranted a draft pick...Interesting...You are starting to sound like half of the Donkey fans.

htismaqe
10-18-2005, 03:54 PM
Punters and Clarett do have somthing in common....neither should have ever been drafted.

This is the Chiefs we're talking about.

We're getting an actual CONTRIBUTION out of our 3rd round pick. He touches the ball 5-6 times a game.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:54 PM
I wish I hadn't deleted my Tivo games. I could go back and count, but it does seem like a lot of his punts are from around midfield.


That is what I recall, but my wife has not shown me how to run the DVR yet. :D

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 03:56 PM
So you think Clarrett warranted a draft pick...Interesting...You are starting to sound like half of the Donkey fans.


I am glad the Donx drafted him, and I am thrilled that we drafted an impact player like Colquitt.

SLAG
10-18-2005, 03:58 PM
I am Happy With colquitt's Punting Game... but thats just IMO

HolmeZz
10-18-2005, 03:58 PM
I was really really bored the other night...

Saulbadguy
10-18-2005, 03:58 PM
Dustin Colquitt for PRO BOWL!

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 03:59 PM
This is the Chiefs we're talking about.

We're getting an actual CONTRIBUTION out of our 3rd round pick. He touches the ball 5-6 times a game.


Funny you say that but I actually was laughing the other day when watching Jano and made me think "Drafting kickers and punters early is traditionally a very stupid thing to do but the Chiefs should probably always try to get theirs out of the 2nd round since that might be the only way their 2nd rounders ever contribute anything..." :D

sedated
10-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Its a good idea to use a first day pick on a punter when you have the best offense in the league.

Especially when your defense cant stop anyone, no matter where they start from.

tk13
10-18-2005, 04:01 PM
The #2, #12 and #18 ranked punters in the NFL are rookies...and #18 ranked Michael Koenen even trotted out and kicked a 58 yard FG for them at the end of the half....

Granted two of those three are dome kickers it is still not a great excuse especially since he allegedly warranted a 3rd round pick.
Where he was drafted is irrelevant to me. He's still a rookie. I'm sure there are rookies doing better. Kicking is the biggest crapshoot in the NFL to me because they use an entirely different ball. Just watching him, he's done a decent enough job, he gets under the ball, he's got the potential to be a pretty good punter. Regardless of what happens we probably won't see the best of Colquitt this year...

Rain Man
10-18-2005, 04:03 PM
I wish I hadn't deleted my Tivo games. I could go back and count, but it does seem like a lot of his punts are from around midfield.

Never delete your TiVo recordings. Just imagine how much they'll be worth 50,000 years from now when archaeologists are researching the sporting culture of early 21st-century America.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:04 PM
Where he was drafted is irrelevant to me. .

So some day if the Chiefs use a top 5 overall pick on a punter it will be irrelevant to you?

Saulbadguy
10-18-2005, 04:04 PM
This is retarded.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:06 PM
This is retarded.


The fact that our punter has the worst numbers in the league, the fact I mentioned them or the fact others are defending the worst numbers in the league?

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 04:07 PM
The fact that our punter has the worst numbers in the league, the fact I mentioned them or the fact others are defending the worst numbers in the league?

Ray Guy.

Saulbadguy
10-18-2005, 04:08 PM
Do you ever worry when he trots on the field like you did when Jason Baker was here?

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:09 PM
Ray Guy.


I don't recall Ray Guy ever posting numbers at the bottom of the NFL...Am I wrong about that?

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:11 PM
Do you ever worry when he trots on the field like you did when Jason Baker was here?


I've never worried about our punting. Cause no matter how good or bad it might be it usually got offset by the defense within two plays anyway.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 04:14 PM
Do you ever worry when he trots on the field like you did when Jason Baker was here?


Excellent point, just like we do not worry about fumbles with Priest like we used to with previous running backs, and um LJ.

Sully
10-18-2005, 04:14 PM
An easy way to figure out the argument between perception of where Colquitt is kicking from and his numbers is to find the ratio of punts downed inside the 20/ total punts.
I fall on the side of the argument that he's doing a better job than the numbers indicate, but not hitting boomers because of field position.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:21 PM
An easy way to figure out the argument between perception of where Colquitt is kicking from and his numbers is to find the ratio of punts downed inside the 20/ total punts.
I fall on the side of the argument that he's doing a better job than the numbers indicate, but not hitting boomers because of field position.


Add in touch backs also....And when you do that you get 9 of 20 punts which is fairly well in line with most punters.

For example Chris Hansen of Jax has 22 of 37 punts which is a much higher percentage yet he is 8th in the league. Hentrick is 14 of 25 and ranks 13th. Feagles 12 of 22 and ranks 14th. Those at the very top of the ranks do have a smaller percentage and certainly is helping boost their numbers a bit but Colquits is pretty well around the norm.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 04:37 PM
I don't recall Ray Guy ever posting numbers at the bottom of the NFL...Am I wrong about that?

Ray Guy's career gross average was 42.4 yards.

That would rank him in the bottom third of the league today.

tk13
10-18-2005, 04:43 PM
Here you go... this is all of Colquitt's punts. You guys figure it out.

Key: Line of scrimmage/punt/return

Both fair catches and downed punts I listed as "no return", I probably should've separated them just for kicks, but I didn't.

Week 1

KC 29 -- 47 yd punt to OPP 24 -- 8 yd return
KC 16 -- 50 yd punt to OPP 34 -- 8 yd return

Week 2

OPP 47 -- 29 yd punt to OPP 17 -- Fumbled
KC 34 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 17 -- 34 yd return
OPP 42 -- 42 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback

Week 3

OPP 36 -- 36 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 28 -- 52 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
KC 13 -- 40 yd punt to OPP 47 -- 1 yd return
KC 41 -- 39 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
OPP 39 -- 28 yd punt to OPP 11 -- Out of bounds
OPP 46 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 14 -- Muffed, no return

Week 4

KC 14 -- 54 yd punt to OPP 32 -- Muffed, no return
KC 38 -- 62 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 26 -- 36 yd punt to OPP 38 -- 2 yd return
OPP 42 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 10 -- No return

Week 6

KC 40 -- 35 yd punt to OPP 25 -- No return
OPP 47 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return
KC 34 -- 34 yd punt to OPP 32 -- No return
KC 43 -- 42 yd punt to OPP 15 -- Out of bounds
OPP 47 -- 25 yd punt to OPP 22 -- Out of bounds

20 total punts

8 in opponent's territory
11 total from KC 40 yard line in

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:44 PM
Ray Guy's career gross average was 42.4 yards.

That would rank him in the bottom third of the league today.


And Jim Brown's 4.7 40 would put him behind all NFL RB's today except Mo Clarret so what is your point? If it would have qualifed as a good performance 25 years ago then we should be content even if it is bad today?

If you have a point, you have lost me on it.

Sully
10-18-2005, 04:44 PM
See, that looks beautiful to me, because the average starting field position is great. He booms 'em when needed, and otherwise places them where they need to be.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:45 PM
Here you go... this is all of Colquitt's punts. You guys figure it out.

Week 1

KC 29 -- 47 yd punt to OPP 24 -- 8 yd return
KC 16 -- 50 yd punt to OPP 34 -- 8 yd return

Week 2

OPP 47 -- 29 yd punt to OPP 17 -- Fumbled
KC 34 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 17 -- 34 yd return
OPP 42 -- 42 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback

Week 3

OPP 36 -- 36 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 28 -- 52 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
KC 13 -- 40 yd punt to OPP 47 -- 1 yd return
KC 41 -- 39 yd punt to KC 20 -- No return
OPP 39 -- 28 yd punt to OPP 11 -- Out of bounds
OPP 46 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 14 -- Muffed, no return

Week 4

KC 14 -- 54 yd punt to OPP 32 -- Muffed, no return
KC 38 -- 62 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 26 -- 36 yd punt to OPP 38 -- 2 yd return
OPP 42 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 10 -- No return

Week 6

KC 40 -- 35 yd punt to OPP 25 -- No return
OPP 47 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return
KC 34 -- 34 yd punt to OPP 32 -- No return
KC 43 -- 42 yd punt to OPP 15 -- Out of bounds
OPP 47 -- 25 yd punt to OPP 22 -- Out of bounds

I'm not sure how it is remotely relevant unless you are comparing the exact same data to that of the other 31 punters in the league.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 04:46 PM
And Jim Brown's 4.7 40 would put him behind all NFL RB's today except Mo Clarret so what is your point? If it would have qualifed as a good performance 25 years ago then we should be content even if it is bad today?

If you have a point, you have lost me on it.

Jim Brown didn't run a 4.7 40. ROFL

Even if he did, horrible point. Do you know how fast Bullet Bob Hayes was?

My point is, the statistics you are looking at are grossly overrated.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:48 PM
Jim Brown didn't run a 4.7 40. ROFL

By many peoples estimates he sure did.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 04:50 PM
The point is, Ray Guy was a hall of fame punter because of HANG TIME.

The same thing makes Colquitt good.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:52 PM
My point is, the statistics you are looking at are grossly overrated.


Why because he is at the bottom of the league and you would prefer to defend his performance?

I'm not pretending like the kid doesn't have talent and that he can't be a great punter and hope like hell he does become one...I'm just stating facts and you guys are being homers ingorning reality and that reality is he isn't doing any better than the other 31 punters in the league. Being 31st or 32nd in the world at something doesn't mean you are bad, just means there is at least 30 other people that are just as good or better.

tk13
10-18-2005, 04:53 PM
I'm not sure how it is remotely relevant unless you are comparing the exact same data to that of the other 31 punters in the league.
Then you do the other 31 punters. I'm talking about our punter here. :)

Saulbadguy
10-18-2005, 04:55 PM
I'm not sure how it is remotely relevant unless you are comparing the exact same data to that of the other 31 punters in the league.
Yeah. Those are great stats, so if that makes him the next to worst punter in the league, i'll take it. :rolleyes:

Tap out acknowledged.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 04:56 PM
Then you do the other 31 punters. I'm talking about our punter here. :)


I don't need to...The NFL complies the stats for all of them and his are at the bottom. It's not like I'm saying he sucks or hasn't been solid by any stretch...I'm just saying he isn't doing any better than anyone else who is good enough and lucky enough to collect an NFL paycheck punting the ball.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 04:59 PM
This just in, Priest Holmes sucks. 3.7 yards per carry ranks him 30th in the league.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 05:00 PM
Yeah. Those are great stats, so if that makes him the next to worst punter in the league, i'll take it. :rolleyes:



I completely agree....If he is getting the job done well and the other 31 punters in the league are getting it done just as well or a little better I honestly don't care. Sometimes being the worst at something is not necessarily a bad thing if everyone else being compared is extremely good.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 05:05 PM
Let's trade for Kyle Richardson. His punting averages are better than Colquitt's, so he must be better, right? Nevermind the fact that he's giving up 12.3 yards per punt return, dead last in the league.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 05:05 PM
This just in, Priest Holmes sucks. 3.7 yards per carry ranks him 30th in the league.


I suppose we could all just pretend his 3.7 ypc is somehow outperforming Alexanders 5.5 ypc and 12 TD's....Let's all close our eyes real hard, make up tons of excuses and amazingly it will be fact. :rolleyes:

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 05:09 PM
Nevermind the fact that he's giving up 12.3 yards per punt return, dead last in the league.

That is incredibly dumb comment....Only thing that matters is the net as it factors in hang time, distance of the kick, placement of the kick and everything else....If you had the Syd Finch of punters and he could kick it 90 yards in the air obviously the returner would have a lot of time to run before the coverage team could get there....But if he returns it 25 yards and the net is 65 yards then it is the greatest in the league. You are a fool if you don't understand that.....

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 05:14 PM
Horrible comparison. Most punters in the league are going to kick it between 40 and 50 yards on any given punt. The difference is hang time, and that is where Colquitt excels, and why we're not giving up big returns this year.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 05:17 PM
Bob,

Your point would be valid if I were arguging that gross were important and ignoring net but that isn't the case my friend.

ILChief
10-18-2005, 05:29 PM
when i went to nfl.com and looked at the punting stats, I was shocked to see colquit ranked 29th. I thought he had been good. One thing to note is that he has only punted 20 times through 5 games (the denver game makes it even higher) and of the 20, only 8 were returned. not to mention there have been several times the returner has muffed it.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 05:40 PM
I thought he had been good.

He has been.

DaFace
10-18-2005, 07:11 PM
I don't have any neat statistics to throw out, but I'm actually somewhat excited when Colquitt punts (aside from the fact that it means our O didn't perform), just because there's a good chance the receiver's going to drop it! Also, it's nice to know that the reciever's going to have one of our guys in his face by the time the ball gets there. I'll take the shorter punts if we can get a fumble now and then.

DaFace
10-18-2005, 07:17 PM
OK, I lied. This doesn't mean much, but here are a few stats. Hope no one's looked at these yet.

2003 Averages:
39.5 gross, 33.2 net, 8.6 return

2004 Averages:
39.1 gross, 31.6 net, 12.5 avg return

2005 Averages:
40.2 gross, 35.0 net, 5.6 avg return

He's no miracle worker, but Colquitt's definitely better than what we've had for a while.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 08:40 PM
OK, I lied. This doesn't mean much, but here are a few stats. Hope no one's looked at these yet.

2003 Averages:
39.5 gross, 33.2 net, 8.6 return

2004 Averages:
39.1 gross, 31.6 net, 12.5 avg return

2005 Averages:
40.2 gross, 35.0 net, 5.6 avg return

He's no miracle worker, but Colquitt's definitely better than what we've had for a while.

Thanks for the homework...Good to see.

Bottom line is he is very solid now and it should only get better but the difference between me, Bob and Hemi is that I am not going to pretend he is currently doing anything special when nearly every other punter in the league is either matching or exceeding his performance. Some folks like to fall in love with a player just because he plays for their team and nothing wrong with that but you need to be able to separate emotion from reality when it comes down to it.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 08:42 PM
nearly every other punter in the league is either matching or exceeding his performance

Bullshit. There's only a handful of punters in this league that can nail the ball with the hangtime colquitt has been producing. Certainly no one we've had in recent memory.

Johnson&Johnson
10-18-2005, 08:53 PM
Enough of the punter talk. yes he is good enough but we've been the #1 offense. If the damn offense had march down the field and score more often instead of consistently going 3 and out, we wouldn't be checking net punt averages #^^#$%!%$! :banghead:

KC offense has been most suspect this year 5 games into 2005.

Why can't we be more concern about #88 instead. Through 5 games, he has 18 catches but a mere 142 yds. :rolleyes:
And the scariest thing of it all is 0 TD. :shake:

Yikes!

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 09:04 PM
Bullshit. There's only a handful of punters in this league that can nail the ball with the hangtime colquitt has been producing. Certainly no one we've had in recent memory.


So if he can kick it straight up in the air higher then anyone is that good even if it only goes a yard?

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 09:06 PM
Enough of the punter talk.
Yikes!

This is a punter thread n00b!

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 09:06 PM
So if he can kick it straight up in the air higher then anyone is that good even if it only goes a yard?

That is as bad as your 90-yard hypothetical.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 09:10 PM
Thanks for the homework...Good to see.

Bottom line is he is very solid now and it should only get better but the difference between me, Bob and Hemi is that I am not going to pretend he is currently doing anything special when nearly every other punter in the league is either matching or exceeding his performance. Some folks like to fall in love with a player just because he plays for their team and nothing wrong with that but you need to be able to separate emotion from reality when it comes down to it.


Actually, if you watch the games, he is doing something special. If you look at the information that tk13 furnished, I think that is some very impressive stuff. He is doing an even better job than I thought.

tk13
10-18-2005, 09:13 PM
when i went to nfl.com and looked at the punting stats, I was shocked to see colquit ranked 29th. I thought he had been good. One thing to note is that he has only punted 20 times through 5 games (the denver game makes it even higher) and of the 20, only 8 were returned. not to mention there have been several times the returner has muffed it.
Those muffs are included in the 8 returns. He's only had 5 kicks actually returned all year.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 09:13 PM
That is as bad as your 90-yard hypothetical.


Is that important? Seriously, is the ability to get hang time important if it translate to a net at the bottom of the league?

We all know the answer to that question...Now run along and see if you can find score some tail for the first time in your life.

jspchief
10-18-2005, 09:15 PM
Here you go... this is all of Colquitt's punts. You guys figure it out.

Key: Line of scrimmage/punt/return

Both fair catches and downed punts I listed as "no return", I probably should've separated them just for kicks, but I didn't.

Week 1

KC 29 -- 47 yd punt to OPP 24 -- 8 yd return
KC 16 -- 50 yd punt to OPP 34 -- 8 yd return

Week 2

OPP 47 -- 29 yd punt to OPP 17 -- Fumbled
KC 34 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 17 -- 34 yd return
OPP 42 -- 42 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback

Week 3

OPP 36 -- 36 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 28 -- 52 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
KC 13 -- 40 yd punt to OPP 47 -- 1 yd return
KC 41 -- 39 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
OPP 39 -- 28 yd punt to OPP 11 -- Out of bounds
OPP 46 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 14 -- Muffed, no return
Week 4

KC 14 -- 54 yd punt to OPP 32 -- Muffed, no return
KC 38 -- 62 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 26 -- 36 yd punt to OPP 38 -- 2 yd return
OPP 42 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 10 -- No return

Week 6

KC 40 -- 35 yd punt to OPP 25 -- No return
OPP 47 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return
KC 34 -- 34 yd punt to OPP 32 -- No return
KC 43 -- 42 yd punt to OPP 15 -- Out of bounds
OPP 47 -- 25 yd punt to OPP 22 -- Out of bounds

20 total punts

8 in opponent's territory
11 total from KC 40 yard line in

Look at these punts, and pick out the bad ones. Green are what I would call good punts, Yellow mediocre, and red bad.

65% are good punts
20% mediocre
15% bad

30% of his punts are under 40 yards, but pinned the opponent at or inside the 20... great punts, that look bad in gross yardage stats.

30% of his punts were 47 yards or more... Top 5 gross yardage

So we're getting 85% of his punts at average or better. Not bad for a rookie. Especially when you combine it with the fact that he's not allowing returns.

NaptownChief
10-18-2005, 09:16 PM
Actually, if you watch the games, he is doing something special. If you look at the information that tk13 furnished, I think that is some very impressive stuff. He is doing an even better job than I thought.

He is doing fine but this happens to be a year where all the punters are doing fine and many of them much better than fine. It is not like I am saying waive the guy and go get someone else....I just pointed out that most punters are doing better than he is so far and statistically that is true without question....No need to get pissy about the truth....It is what it is no matter how much Bob's Your Uncle wants to spin it.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 09:17 PM
Is that important? Seriously, is the ability to get hang time important if it translate to a net at the bottom of the league?


We're talking about a difference of a few yards in net average. I'll take the tradeoff of the punt returner calling for a fair catch every time.

Count Zarth
10-18-2005, 09:19 PM
Look at these punts, and pick out the bad ones. Green are what I would call good punts, Yellow mediocre, and red bad.

65% are good punts
20% mediocre
15% bad

30% of his punts are under 40 yards, but pinned the opponent at or inside the 20... great punts, that look bad in gross yardage stats.

30% of his punts were 47 yards or more... Top 5 gross yardage

So we're getting 85% of his punts at average or better. Not bad for a rookie. Especially when you combine it with the fact that he's not allowing returns.

Excellent breakdown. What is great is that even his "bad" punts are not being returned. In the past, a "bad" punt would be broken for a long return.

This guy just does not kick line drives.

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 09:23 PM
No need to get pissy about the truth....It is what it is no matter how much Bob's Your Uncle wants to spin it.

WTF does that mean? Is someone getting pissy, hell no one has even threatened to abandon their Chiefs fandom yet. :D

I think tk13 and JSP have presented facts that can not be ignored, I just watch the games and call what I see. The kid impresses the hell out of me period.

Skip Towne
10-18-2005, 09:23 PM
This is a punter thread n00b!
Damn n00bs. :cuss:

jspchief
10-18-2005, 09:26 PM
Excellent breakdown. What is great is that even his "bad" punts are not being returned. In the past, a "bad" punt would be broken for a long return.

This guy just does not kick line drives.And 3 of his 4 "mediocre" punts are what I would consider high difficulty (inside the opponents 50) including one from the opponents 42, and another from the 36.

I've only seen him kick two bad punts personally, and they both had a ton of hang time. I think he's doing pretty damn good.

Anyone that looks at the avg gross or net yardage to determine how good he's punting is an idiot. It ignores way too many other factors. It would be like judging a CB's play on # of interceptions, or a DT's play on tackles... it just doesn't tell the whole story

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 09:26 PM
Damn n00bs. :cuss:

ROFL

HemiEd
10-18-2005, 09:30 PM
And 3 of his 4 "mediocre" punts are what I would consider high difficulty (inside the opponents 50) including one from the opponents 42, and another from the 36.

I've only seen him kick two bad punts personally, and they both had a ton of hang time. I think he's doing pretty damn good.

Anyone that looks at the avg gross or net yardage to determine how good he's punting is an idiot. It ignores way too many other factors. It would be like judging a CB's play on # of interceptions, or a DT's play on tackles... it just doesn't tell the whole story


What is also interesting, of the three "bad punts" they had a total of 2 yards returned. :hmmm:

jspchief
10-18-2005, 09:38 PM
What is also interesting, of the three "bad punts" they had a total of 2 yards returned. :hmmm:Yea, but probably due to calling fair catch, as is common on really short punts.

He's had a few real duds, no question. I just don't think his standings on avg are a good indicator of how well he's done.

kregger
10-18-2005, 10:04 PM
I am even more impressed by his place kicking holds. Not one muff!!

ChiefsCountry
10-18-2005, 11:10 PM
Colquitt has been solid. Why in the hell do we have a 7 page thread on him.

Rain Man
10-19-2005, 08:06 AM
I have to weigh in on Naptownchief's side on this. While I like Colquitt's hang time and the fact that his punts aren't returned, that isn't helpful if the punts are short to start with.

As for the argument that he's kicking from midfield a lot, there's an easy way to check that. If he is, then he'll have a high number of punts that are either inside the 20 or touchbacks. Checking the stats, he's got 9 of those punts and is tied for 17th in that category, which means his punting situations are exactly average.

Is he placing the ball well? Let's compare the proportion of touchbacks to punts inside the 20. A low percentage means he's placing the ball well. His ratio of 0.5 (3 TB, 6 in 20) ranks him 25th among punters.

Now, what proportion of his punts are returned? If you exclude touchbacks from all punters (since that's a bad thing and shouldn't be counted as "no return"), 47 percent of Colquitt's punts are returned, which ties him for 7th in the league.

This means that we have a punter who is:

29th in gross average
28th in net average
25th in placement
7th in returnability

Now, if we control for field position, we find that the average NFL punter has punted 26 times, of which 10 are "placement punts" and 16 are "boomer punts"

On the boomers, the average NFL punter is averaging 43.9 gross and 38.0 net.* Our guy is averaging 40.2 gross and 35.0 net.*

*The boomers are actually longer, but I can't separate out the yardage from the placement punts.

On the placement punts, the average NFL punter is putting the ball inside the 20 7.4 times with 2.6 touchbacks. Our guy is putting the ball inside the 20 6.7 times with 3.3 touchbacks.

I like the high punts, and they eliminate the risk of a return, but at the same time those returns are included in the stats. Right now, Colquitt is below average.

jynni
10-19-2005, 08:16 AM
Colquitt's punts are good in that the long hang time enable the coverage unit to get their slow asses downfield.

Are there stats available on hang time?

Although - did the return guy for the Raiders have an issue with calling for fair catches? It seemed like he was trying to return stuff when half the coverage unit was already standing right next to him.

I guess it's just a relief from last year's broken punting carosel.

NaptownChief
10-19-2005, 05:45 PM
This means that we have a punter who is:

29th in gross average
28th in net average
25th in placement
7th in returnability

Right now, Colquitt is below average.


Very nice breakdown....Probably way too deep for those that haven't figured out that hang time and non-returns are directly accounted for in the net average but a nice breakdown nonetheless.

ExtremeChief
10-19-2005, 06:20 PM
I guess the main thing to me is that he seems fairly consistent, and I don't worry when our punter comes in like I used to. Even if it's a facade, I'll take it.

Adept Havelock
10-19-2005, 06:26 PM
All I know is Colquitt seems to be an upgrade over what we've had before.

As for the numbers, remember the words of the late Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli:

"There are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics".

dtebbe
10-19-2005, 06:28 PM
As long as Visa doesn't start running commercials with Colquitt and his 7 layers of special teams protection, I'll be happy.

FU Tom Brady, I was sick of your sorry arse already! :cuss:

DT

Boise_Chief
10-19-2005, 06:44 PM
Although - did the return guy for the Randy Moss and the Raiderz have an issue with calling for fair catches? It seemed like he was trying to return stuff when half the coverage unit was already standing right next to him.


He's a BSU Alumni and Coach Hawkins expected all punts and kicks returned. Hawkins is very aggressive and it is probably carry over from college.

NaptownChief
10-19-2005, 07:12 PM
He's a BSU Alumni and Coach Hawkins expected all punts and kicks returned. Hawkins is very aggressive and it is probably carry over from college.

I think I say Carr scrambling around for one or two this past Sunday also...

tk13
10-22-2005, 04:07 PM
Here you go, time for an update since this is a hot topic.... :)

---------------------------------------------

Week 1

KC 29 -- 47 yd punt to OPP 24 -- 8 yd return
KC 16 -- 50 yd punt to OPP 34 -- 8 yd return

Week 2

OPP 47 -- 29 yd punt to OPP 17 -- Fumbled
KC 34 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 17 -- 34 yd return
OPP 42 -- 42 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback

Week 3

OPP 36 -- 36 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 28 -- 52 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
KC 13 -- 40 yd punt to OPP 47 -- 1 yd return
KC 41 -- 39 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
OPP 39 -- 28 yd punt to OPP 11 -- Out of bounds
OPP 46 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 14 -- Muffed, no return

Week 4

KC 14 -- 54 yd punt to OPP 32 -- Muffed, no return
KC 38 -- 62 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 26 -- 36 yd punt to OPP 38 -- 2 yd return
OPP 42 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 10 -- No return

Week 6

KC 40 -- 35 yd punt to OPP 25 -- No return
OPP 47 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return
KC 34 -- 34 yd punt to OPP 32 -- No return
KC 43 -- 42 yd punt to OPP 15 -- Out of bounds
OPP 47 -- 25 yd punt to OPP 22 -- Out of bounds

Week 7

KC 34 -- 56 yd punt to OPP 10 -- 8 yd return
OPP 45 -- 44 yd punt to OPP 1 -- No return
KC 16 -- 48 yd punt to OPP 36 -- No return
KC 8 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 43 -- 47 yd return
OPP 47 -- 30 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return


25 total punts

Punts in KC territory: 15 punts, 46.7 yd avg
Punts in OPP territory: 10 punts, 33.0 yd avg

4th and Long
10-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Here you go, time for an update since this is a hot topic.... :)

---------------------------------------------

Week 1

KC 29 -- 47 yd punt to OPP 24 -- 8 yd return
KC 16 -- 50 yd punt to OPP 34 -- 8 yd return

Week 2

OPP 47 -- 29 yd punt to OPP 17 -- Fumbled
KC 34 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 17 -- 34 yd return
OPP 42 -- 42 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback

Week 3

OPP 36 -- 36 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 28 -- 52 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
KC 13 -- 40 yd punt to OPP 47 -- 1 yd return
KC 41 -- 39 yd punt to OPP 20 -- No return
OPP 39 -- 28 yd punt to OPP 11 -- Out of bounds
OPP 46 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 14 -- Muffed, no return

Week 4

KC 14 -- 54 yd punt to OPP 32 -- Muffed, no return
KC 38 -- 62 yd punt to endzone -- Touchback
KC 26 -- 36 yd punt to OPP 38 -- 2 yd return
OPP 42 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 10 -- No return

Week 6

KC 40 -- 35 yd punt to OPP 25 -- No return
OPP 47 -- 32 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return
KC 34 -- 34 yd punt to OPP 32 -- No return
KC 43 -- 42 yd punt to OPP 15 -- Out of bounds
OPP 47 -- 25 yd punt to OPP 22 -- Out of bounds

Week 7

KC 34 -- 56 yd punt to OPP 10 -- 8 yd return
OPP 45 -- 44 yd punt to OPP 1 -- No return
KC 16 -- 48 yd punt to OPP 36 -- No return
KC 8 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 43 -- 47 yd return
OPP 47 -- 30 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return


25 total punts, 10 in opponent's territory
Throw out the 34 and 47 yard returns, which are not the punter's fault, and this guy is soild gold baby.

Sully
10-22-2005, 04:10 PM
I'm convinced. Cut him.

4th and Long
10-22-2005, 04:12 PM
I'm convinced. Cut him.
You're a Lee's SCUMit elitist, aren't you? :p

Sully
10-22-2005, 04:17 PM
Damn straight...

Deberg_1990
10-22-2005, 04:18 PM
You're a Lee's SCUMit elitist, aren't you? :p

Whats wrong with Lee's Summit?...I grew up there...

bringbackmarty
10-22-2005, 05:21 PM
By many peoples estimates he sure did.I would like to see these people who can estimate in tenth's and hundredths of a second. big ol egg shaped heads on these people I bet.

Coach
10-22-2005, 05:34 PM
That one 47 yard return, I was convinced that there was a illegal block in the back by one of the Dolphin players.

Apparently, the officials saw it differently.

ZootedGranny
10-22-2005, 05:47 PM
Colquitt naysayers, you're on notice.

The Howitzer Legged Reckoning of 2005 will arrive soon, and you shall be dealt with in a more than appropriate manner.

HemiEd
10-25-2005, 02:53 AM
Week 7

KC 34 -- 56 yd punt to OPP 10 -- 8 yd return
OPP 45 -- 44 yd punt to OPP 1 -- No return
KC 16 -- 48 yd punt to OPP 36 -- No return
KC 8 -- 49 yd punt to OPP 43 -- 47 yd return
OPP 47 -- 30 yd punt to OPP 17 -- No return





I watched the game twice now, the guy was great IMO.

Rausch
10-25-2005, 02:55 AM
Because Dustin Colquitt is a fuggen snadge ripper.

I hear he's got so much kick his sperm sells for $4,000 an ounce on ebay...

OzArK KrAzO
10-25-2005, 05:57 AM
This kids just getting started. So far im suprised.OH wasnt his dad sorta famous. Might be just a nostalgia run on the jerseys.

HemiEd
12-19-2007, 12:57 PM
Maybe they are enamored with the worst punter in the AFC to date? Worst gross and 2nd to worst net. Well behind Jason Baker who DV couldn't get himself to stop blaming every problem in the history of the Chiefs on...

ROFL