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Johnson&Johnson
10-18-2005, 09:08 PM
If those of you can remember, the play prior to Priest's 60 yd TD reception, run after the catch. KC was at their own 40yd, with a 3rd and 11. And the dude that caught a critical 3rd down play was ... yes #85, 15 yds reception.

And that ended up being THE-PLAY :drool: in my book that set up the next play (Priest's TD: 28-21) which became the game winning TD, as KC defense stepped it up and shut the Skins out from that point on.

Oh. and not forgetting his towering 2-point conversion catch that got us up 14-7 over the touted rookie Carlos Rogers.

The reason Boe was in that series? Parker got hurt on the previous series, the underthrown ball from Green :cuss: cost him to reach back, pulled the groin on the fall as he was tackled. What's his status ? Anyone knows?

HolmeZz
10-18-2005, 09:11 PM
I'd prefer that, with Parker in the slot. I believe Parker's good play at the end of last season came primarily in the slot anyway.

WestCoastReggie
10-18-2005, 09:24 PM
So would I. A big, tall wide reciever fits our qb better

StcChief
10-18-2005, 09:26 PM
Yes. Tall and fast.
If Parker can play use him sparingly.

jspchief
10-18-2005, 09:33 PM
I don't care who starts, but I would like to see Boe get more snaps, and more looks lining up on the outside.

Personally, I'd like to see Boe and Parker with less Hall in there. Hall makes clutch plays on occasion, but is too limited in where he's effective because of his size. Plus, less Hall at WR might mean I don't have to see that stupid half yard hitch that always get him creamed.

KChiefsQT
10-18-2005, 09:35 PM
I'm game.

el borracho
10-18-2005, 09:41 PM
yeah, what jspchief said.

KCChiefsMan
10-18-2005, 09:44 PM
ya I'd like that a lot, he has great potential and he's played well when he's out there. A big, tall, strong & fast white boy possession WR is what we need (doesn't have to be a white boy though)

nychief
10-18-2005, 09:47 PM
I think that Parker has the best upside, drops aside. The tide has really turned on the kid, he was going to the ring of fame a month ago, now he should be on the practice squad - in some peoples eyes. I like Bo, and happy to see him working his way back into the lineup, but I think we should stick with Parker.

Anyong Bluth
10-18-2005, 10:47 PM
Parker can be upside this or not, but we keep saying that he can stretch the defense and yet he's been consisently looked to for the 3rd down pick-ups and mostly intermediate routes. Kennison seems to be getting the deep balls, sans the Skins game where he was on mute.

If Tony G is going to be blanketed and Kennison covered by a their 1- and we consistently need SP or MB to make the catch to keep drives going - give me MB.

All the guy does is make catches. He's deceptively quicker then most (probably not those lurking here) believe and a nice big target for Trent to work with.

I have no problem with working both SP and Boe, but in definate passing downs we should be using MB. Mixing it up with Dante and such.

Things I'd like to see

1 & 2nd downs - 2 wr sets - Kennison & SP w/ Gonzo and Wilson and 1 RB -
put them in motion -
Send Tony out wide,
Empty Priest out for no backfield (possibly use Dunn here for blocking)
Overload one side

3 TE Sets - Dunn, Wilson & Gonzo

Dunn in motion out wide with wilson then in motion wide on other side, leaving TG strong. You could pull guys to setup for a HB screen or misdirection by having Wilson run a cross to bring his men to the middle more and then let Tony chip and run a skinny cross or out & up after faking the screen or pitch out wide. Then you could actually come back to this and run the pitch and have the benefit of having Tony with Roaf to chip and seal the corner and Dunn the freedom to clear out a tiny cb and even get to 2nd tier blocking and find a LB or S.


2 Back sets with or w/out FB

Wishbone PH & LJ and run the quick pitch to which ever side the D is giving #'s. This can be run with a multitude of WR's or TE's and can also allow for a double screen from the same formation & the benefit of TR staying in to pick up a blitz - should they a D want to chance it and be left open to leaving a giant gap for the O

Quick pitch flea flicker / back pass and hit one of the WR or TE's that peel off the coverage when the D is sucked into the run.

5 WR overloads - Trips to the weakside, with a TE in, at slot, or motioning out and WR split wide. I'd put Parker in there for two reasons. He won't probably pick up their top cover and Trent could freeze any S help with a pump to the trips side - leaving him to try a slinny post or go route with his speed. The TE on the weakside could be Tony to run an underneath route or if we need more protection bring in Dunn who could help block and release if available - he's respectable enough to expect to catch these shorter routes. As for the trips - you could send one on a stop and go, one on an out and up and forcing the safeties to leave some area soft. And have one WR fake a reverse or a have them drop and turn like they are a quick out or if they are could run a simple curl if the 2ndary stays with the deep route.

There is a crap load of stuff I don't get why Saunders hasn't tried b/c it seems like they have vanilla'd down the motion or attempting to create mismatches? Its almost as if they think they can simply steamrole any team at will and that will force 8 in the box to make the passing game rediculously easy...

I don't want to get too cutesy but we have a multitude of guys that can be hybrided around to confuse defensive assignments and overcommitments but look as if we're still in preseason don't show shit mode.

AM I way off, or did I just confuse everyone with my ideas by not make it easy to follow or clearly illlustrating them? ohh well (?)

PastorMikH
10-18-2005, 11:08 PM
We need to start the 2 best WRs period. Forget who has the best future upside. Let's not give up on that WR, but let that upside be aquired in practice and limited game play. The WR that gives the Chiefs the best opportunity to win should play. Right now I think Boerigtor is that WR.

Johnson&Johnson
10-18-2005, 11:10 PM
Parker can be upside this or not, but we keep saying that he can stretch the defense and yet he's been consisently looked to for the 3rd down pick-ups and mostly intermediate routes. Kennison seems to be getting the deep balls, sans the Skins game where he was on mute.

If Tony G is going to be blanketed and Kennison covered by a their 1- and we consistently need SP or MB to make the catch to keep drives going - give me MB.

Absolutely. I've been wondering about that as well. If Samie's the one with pure speed that can stretch Defenses, why is Eddie getting all the deep routes? :shake:

Could be that Eddie's one of Vermeil's favorite puppy and this is what happends in the coaches office:

DV: Come in Eddie
EK: Coach about switching me to X...
DV: We really like to use Samie's speed to stretch the D
EK: But coach, I'm not getting any younger, one big hit, I might be done.
DV: I see your concerns. I did promise your wife that I'll keep you away from taking the big hits.
EK: So... that means...
DV: Nevermind then. Just let Samie know I don't need to meet with him after all.

PastorMikH
10-18-2005, 11:17 PM
Could be that Eddie's one of Vermeil's favorite puppy and this is what happends in the coaches office:




Could be that since Kennison can actually catch the ball, he gives us the best option for a big play.

Johnson&Johnson
10-18-2005, 11:35 PM
Could be that since Kennison can actually catch the ball, he gives us the best option for a big play.

So how many balls did "BIG PLAY" Kennison catch in the game vs. Redskins? Trust me, I looked twice at the game stat just to be sure I saw our big play receiver's name.

Ever since this offense was installed in 2001 when DV got here, the only big play player we've had is Priest. And then last year LJ showed glimpses of a big play guy.

Maybe when you see Parker run the deep routes more often, you'll love him as well. He's drawn quite a few pass interference call already this season when he went deep. His speed does garner some DB attention, in case you haven't taken notice. We are not saying to bench Eddie but make him run the short routes that Samie is having to do (which is unfortunate cuz' Samie does have better speed and legs).

Anyong Bluth
10-18-2005, 11:46 PM
J&J - I would say that Kennison should get the deep routes or any routes, Parker's had a number of drops that have stalled drives. He's not alone, and I think we are 2nd in the league with most drops.

Boe moves the chains and seems to get past the chains when its needed. If we're trying to run a control offense from the standpoint of rushing 1st and trying to keep the defense from being on the field too much - for multiple reasons and no one need look further than Indy to see this will boost you chances to win if you can keep your D fresh, run down the opp.'s D, and end up with greater time of possession. An added bonus of this ideaology is it seems to cause the opposing teams offense to do the inverse and try to score quickly, thereby improving the %'s of your D coming up with a stop or only 3. (completion %'s versus avg YPC = clock moving and short 3rd downs vs clock stopping and 3rd & +5... usually)

Seems to me that Boe is much better for getting those short yardage completions on 3rd down ? Really hard to argue when he's clearly a better possession reciever - even by the Chefs own admission based on what they've alluded to SP's abilities

Bob Dole
10-19-2005, 05:09 AM
So how many balls did "BIG PLAY" Kennison catch in the game vs. Redskins? Trust me, I looked twice at the game stat just to be sure I saw our big play receiver's name.

He likely would have had more catches had they thrown him the ball.

Boe should get more playing time as long as the other teams don't start lining a punter up against him in man coverage.

jspchief
10-19-2005, 06:26 AM
So how many balls did "BIG PLAY" Kennison catch in the game vs. Redskins? Trust me, I looked twice at the game stat just to be sure I saw our big play receiver's name.

Ever since this offense was installed in 2001 when DV got here, the only big play player we've had is Priest. And then last year LJ showed glimpses of a big play guy.

Maybe when you see Parker run the deep routes more often, you'll love him as well. He's drawn quite a few pass interference call already this season when he went deep. His speed does garner some DB attention, in case you haven't taken notice. We are not saying to bench Eddie but make him run the short routes that Samie is having to do (which is unfortunate cuz' Samie does have better speed and legs).Don't try and turn this on Kennison. He's the only receiver that did sh*t the first 4 games of the year, and the only Chief that played with any semblence of heart in that ass-kicking the Broncos handed us.

Parker has caught one deep ball in his NFL career, and he was only open because it was a blown defensive assignment. That fact that he has to use his body to catch instead of his stone hands is going to make it tough to catch anything that doesn't ask for a curl or hitch.

Inspector
10-19-2005, 06:37 AM
What does Go-Bo think?

Extra Point
10-19-2005, 06:54 AM
Yeah, WWGBD?

Lzen
10-19-2005, 08:21 AM
Heh, I like Boerighter but, he didn't impress me that much in preseason. And, obviously, he didn't impress the coaching staff much because he was inactive the first game(s). He did look much better against Washington, no doubt.

But while you're talking about making good catches, don't forget that Parker had a couple nice grab (on 3rd downs?) before he got hurt. I don't think it's time to give up on him just yet. That said, if he's not 100% this week, go with Bo.

Extra Point
10-19-2005, 09:14 AM
Every analyst talks about defense giving the offense "different looks." Defense gives the offense different formations, based on field position, down, YTG, and Off. formation.

Offense gives the defense different looks, and has to. For instance, you can run off-tackle from MANY different formations. Saunders is supposed to do his job, mixing it up based on the talent he's got. Green threw to 6 or 7 different receivers, which is cool with me.

Bo is the ideal motion man, IMHO. He may not have accel, but he can use momentum for strong-side run blocking and shorter patterns. But he can sell the stop-and-go. Of course, you're not going to sell that to the covering DB twice.

Parker has accel and top speed for the long ball. Kennison is good medium and long. All the receivers (including RB's) have different abilities. It's a matter of Saunders using them, and throwing in the sale of an unexpected ability ON OCCASION. I just don't like to see us get cute with play calling. It's a matter of using the talent available and players playing within their capabilities, to execute positive results.

I don't care who gets the ball, so long as it goes in the opponent's end zone on the ground and thru the uprights for a total of more points.

siberian khatru
10-19-2005, 09:17 AM
Depends. If Wilma is Category 3 or above at kickoff, I'd start Bo -- he's bigger and could withstand the stronger winds.

If Wilma's Category 2 or below, I think Samie could probably handle it.

Brock
10-19-2005, 09:20 AM
Depends. If Wilma is Category 3 or above at kickoff, I'd start Bo -- he's bigger and could withstand the stronger winds.

If Wilma's Category 2 or below, I think Samie could probably handle it.

Samie Parker is aerodynamically superior. Wind doesn't touch him.

InChiefsHell
10-19-2005, 09:29 AM
AM I way off, or did I just confuse everyone with my ideas by not make it easy to follow or clearly illlustrating them? ohh well (?)

yes

Woodrow Call
10-19-2005, 09:44 AM
I seem to remember a few weeks ago DV saying that Bo and Horn would take turns being active. Does anyone know if that is still the case?

If so no Bo this weekend. :shake:

PastorMikH
10-19-2005, 10:03 AM
So how many balls did "BIG PLAY" Kennison catch in the game vs. Redskins? Trust me, I looked twice at the game stat just to be sure I saw our big play receiver's name.



I DIDN'T GET TO SEE THAT GAME THANKS TO OUR STINKING FOX STATION
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Seriously, I think if Fox were to carry the Superbowl and the Chiefs were playing in it, our OK City affiliate would show something else.


I'm not so much big on Kennison as I am about all of the balls Parker drops - even balls stuck between the numbers on his chest. WHEN Parker actually gets to where he can catch, we'll have something. But until then, all he's going to do is turn a 2nd and 10 into a 3rd and 10 or a 3rd and 4 into a punt.

Fish
10-19-2005, 10:21 AM
I like Bo's ability. And the fact that he's a big target makes him the better choice. He caught a big 38-yard pass against Philadelphia and caught two balls for 25 yards in addition to drawing a holding penalty for a big third-down conversion in the fourth quarter of the Washington win.

He plays with confidence, and he's a good matchup against a smaller DB. As long as he keeps hauling in what's tossed his way, I say get him more involved.