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CupidStunt
10-23-2005, 01:21 PM
They look like complete trash with LT2 struggling as he is.

They scared the hell out of me before I saw this. They still do all on their potential, but if we can do this number on LT2, we'll win comfortably.

If not for a struggling Philly offense (mistakes, terrible clock management, penalties), they'd be absolutely dominating this game.

If our defense can just "control" Tomlinson, and our offense plays like it has at times this year (NY, 1st half Philly, MIA), we should win the game comfortably.

KCChiefsMan
10-23-2005, 01:25 PM
well it's kinda pissing me off, I really needed LT to have a huge day in a losing effort. A lot of money riding on my fantasy league this year

milkman
10-23-2005, 01:27 PM
I disagree.

Philly has been making life miserable with their blitzes.

We can, and have in the past, control LdT, but we haven't gotten the kind of pressure on Brees that Philly has been.

To win in SD, Gun has to get back to man with Surtain and Warfield, and finally unleash Bell on blitzes.

I also think Allen has to come up big.

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 01:32 PM
I disagree.

Philly has been making life miserable with their blitzes.

We can, and have in the past, control LdT, but we haven't gotten the kind of pressure on Brees that Philly has been.

To win in SD, Gun has to get back to man with Surtain and Warfield, and finally unleash Bell on blitzes.

I also think Allen has to come up big.

The key is you have to be able to cover BEHIND the blitzes necessary to stop LT/pressure Brees imo.

milkman
10-23-2005, 01:38 PM
The key is you have to be able to cover BEHIND the blitzes necessary to stop LT/pressure Brees imo.

I'm assuming that with our 2 best corners on the field finally, we can cover the wideouts.

I would also hope that DJ, with 6 games under his belt, is finally ready to step up and show us all his highly touted pass coverage ability.

The key is to get to Brees quickly so that the rest of the defense doesn't have to cover for too long.

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm assuming that with our 2 best corners on the field finally, we can cover the wideouts.

I would also hope that DJ, with 6 games under his belt, is finally ready to step up and show us all his highly touted pass coverage ability.

The key is to get to Brees quickly so that the rest of the defense doesn't have to cover for too long.

i've seen our linebackers having to cover wide receivers an awfully lot lately.

i think teams are using their RB and TE's to clear our Corners out and then let their WR's run shallow routes while being cover by our linebackers ... a mismatch imo.

hopefully with warfield and surtain we can play more man/man and stop that.

milkman
10-23-2005, 01:48 PM
i've seen our linebackers having to cover wide receivers an awfully lot lately.

i think teams are using their RB and TE's to clear our Corners out and then let their WR's run shallow routes while being cover by our linebackers ... a mismatch imo.

hopefully with warfield and surtain we can play more man/man and stop that.

That's my hope as well, because clearly, Gun can't scheme a decent zone.

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 01:54 PM
That's my hope as well, because clearly, Gun can't scheme a decent zone.
i just don't understand while we don't cover within the zones :banghead:


sometimes our guys just stand there 10 feet away until they catch the ball before they move in for the tackle.

we are really bad when it comes to RB out of the backfield ... the RB just sit there open for the entire play until they get a dump off pass. I wish 1 of our guys would move up and try for a pass defense.





i miss milkman :sulk:

ChiefsFanatic
10-23-2005, 01:54 PM
Well, it looks like the Chargers don't need LT to carry them after all. At least they came back and took the lead 17 - 10.

milkman
10-23-2005, 02:04 PM
i just don't understand while we don't cover within the zones :banghead:


sometimes our guys just stand there 10 feet away until they catch the ball before they move in for the tackle.

we are really bad when it comes to RB out of the backfield ... the RB just sit there open for the entire play until they get a dump off pass. I wish 1 of our guys would move up and try for a pass defense.

I think it's a problem with coaching.

It starts with Gun, who I have thought was never a great DC, though I thought he was better than Spinner.
He's very limited in his ability to adapt and adjust.

Then you have Guinta, who I wouldn't even hire to coach PeeWee football, much less NFL secondaries.

I don't yet have an opinion on Pagac, but the LBs are improved this year, but that is more a reflection of added talent than any coaching, except in the case of Mitchell, who's improvement has more to do with Gun and game experience.

Overall, I'd have to say we have a mediocre defensive staff.





i miss milkman :sulk:

Whatsamatter?
Don't like Sidewinder?

Cave Johnson
10-23-2005, 02:05 PM
well it's kinda pissing me off, I really needed LT to have a huge day in a losing effort. A lot of money riding on my fantasy league this year

I'm in the opposite boat, playing against LT this week.

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 02:07 PM
Whatsamatter?
Don't like Sidewinder?
nah, sidewinder is ok



just old and thinking of the good ol' days :)

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 02:08 PM
I'm in the opposite boat, playing against LT this week.
i'm playing against AND have LT this week :hmmm:

milkman
10-23-2005, 02:11 PM
nah, sidewinder is ok



just old and thinking of the good ol' days :)

Truth is, sometimes I miss milkman. :crybaby:

ChiefsFanatic
10-23-2005, 02:11 PM
I think it's a problem with coaching.

It starts with Gun, who I have thought was never a great DC, though I thought he was better than Spinner.
He's very limited in his ability to adapt and adjust.

Then you have Guinta, who I wouldn't even hire to coach PeeWee football, much less NFL secondaries.

I don't yet have an opinion on Pagac, but the LBs are improved this year, but that is more a reflection of added talent than any coaching, except in the case of Mitchell, who's improvement has more to do with Gun and game experience.

Overall, I'd have to say we have a mediocre defensive staff.

Well, if Gun had been able to hire his own defensive coaches, things might be different. I watch every game on Tivo over and over, and it often looks DJ loses the RB, either by pick play or he just flat out covers the wrong person.

Against Miami, he covered the TE that Mitchell was covering several times.

milkman
10-23-2005, 02:14 PM
Well, if Gun had been able to hire his own defensive coaches, things might be different. I watch every game on Tivo over and over, and it often looks DJ loses the RB, either by pick play or he just flat out covers the wrong person.

Against Miami, he covered the TE that Mitchell was covering several times.

It might well be different, but at the same time, Gun has been a model of inconsistency throughout his career.

And his ability to make game day adjustments throughout his career has been questionable, at best.

Paniero
10-23-2005, 02:16 PM
Turnovers > LT.

Mr. Laz
10-23-2005, 02:18 PM
Turnovers > LT.

bad(philly) offense > turnovers > LT



:p

Deberg_1990
10-23-2005, 03:27 PM
Who knows...this game is a tossup to me at this point??? If we can put up the kind of pass rush that Philly put up today then id say we win. I have very little faith that we can so im gonna say we lose. Either way, i think the game will be a close shootout.

CupidStunt
10-23-2005, 03:52 PM
Well, it looks like the Chargers don't need LT to carry them after all. At least they came back and took the lead 17 - 10.

Yeah, showed some heart or whatever, but Philly gave that game away as much as they could.

They got a break, if you will, with the FG block, but Philly was the better team, and if they had ANY running game, or if McNabb didn't over/underthrow every WR, they'd have won by 2 TDs.

Frankie
10-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Here's how it will go down next week. We go to their house and play like we don't need the game (as in Denver). The Bolts do need to win the game and will play sky high (as Denver did). The Chiefs will come home with their ass in their hands because of lack of a killer instinct. The cycle of badmouthing AS, Gun, DV, CP, starts again full-force on this forum.

I've seen this movie too many times, so I might as well start the show here. :banghead:

CHIEFS..... I'M CHALLENGING YOU TO MAKE ME EAT CROW ON THIS!!

Frankie
10-23-2005, 06:41 PM
Who knows...this game is a tossup to me at this point??? If we can put up the kind of pass rush that Philly put up today then id say we win. I have very little faith that we can so im gonna say we lose. Either way, i think the game will be a close shootout.
If a close shoot out we'll probably win. Unfortunately history suggests that it's gonna be a heartless performance by the Chiefs from the first kick off and an embarrassing loss.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-23-2005, 06:53 PM
The performance the Eagles did against LT was amazing.

Stop LT, then get after Brees and you'll stop Gates, etc.

Is anyone else scared that come Tuesday DV will say, "Well, McCleon is healthy now...he'll be back starting against the Chargers..."

BigRedChief
10-23-2005, 07:13 PM
Here's how it will go down next week. We go to their house and play like we don't need the game (as in Denver). The Bolts do need to win the game and will play sky high (as Denver did). The Chiefs will come home with their ass in their hands because of lack of a killer instinct. The cycle of badmouthing AS, Gun, DV, CP, starts again full-force on this forum.

I've seen this movie too many times, so I might as well start the show here. :banghead:

CHIEFS..... I'M CHALLENGING YOU TO MAKE ME EAT CROW ON THIS!!

I'm sure DV and Gun will read your post and get motivated to go out and kick azz on the Chargers.

KcMizzou
10-23-2005, 07:15 PM
Unfortunately history suggests that it's gonna be a heartless performance by the Chiefs from the first kick off and an embarrassing loss.ROFL


:shake:

C'mon man.... jesus.

Frankie
10-23-2005, 07:36 PM
ROFL


:shake:

C'mon man.... jesus.
I admit I'm in a bad mood today.