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SBK
10-29-2005, 01:02 AM
*I saw this on michellemalkin.com tonight, thought I would pass it on.*

On Wednesday, the NYTimes published a 4,625-word opus (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/international/middleeast/26deaths.html?hp) on the "2,000 dead" milestone--a "grim mark," read the headline--on page A2. Among those profiled were Marines from the First Battalion of the Fifth Marine Regiment, including Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr. Here's an excerpt from the Times' passage about Cpl. Starr:
Another member of the 1/5, Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr, rejected a $24,000 bonus to re-enlist. Corporal Starr believed strongly in the war, his father said, but was tired of the harsh life and nearness of death in Iraq. So he enrolled at Everett Community College near his parents' home in Snohomish, Wash., planning to study psychology after his enlistment ended in August. But he died in a firefight in Ramadi on April 30 during his third tour in Iraq. He was 22.
Sifting through Corporal Starr's laptop computer after his death, his father found a letter to be delivered to the marine's girlfriend. ''I kind of predicted this,'' Corporal Starr wrote of his own death. ''A third time just seemed like I'm pushing my chances.''
Last night, I received a letter from Corporal Starr's uncle, Timothy Lickness. He wanted you to know the rest of the story--and the parts of Corporal Starr's letter that the Times failed to include:
Yesterday's New York Times on-line edition carried the story of the 2000 Iraq US military death[s]. It grabbed my attention as the picture they used with the headline was that of my nephew, Cpl Jeffrey B. Starr, USMC. Unfortunately they did not tell Jeffrey's story. Jeffrey believed in what he was doing. He [was] willing put his life on the line for this cause. Just before he left for his third tour of duty in Iraq I asked him what he thought about going back the third time. He said: "If we (Americans) don't do this (free the Iraqi people from tyranny) who will? No one else can."
Several months after Jeffrey was killed his laptop computer was returned to his parents who found a letter in it that was addressed to his girlfriend and was intended to be found only if he did not return alive. It is a most poignant letter and filled with personal feelings he had for his girlfriend. But of importance to the rest of us was his expression of how he felt about putting his life at risk for this cause. He said it with grace and maturity.
He wrote: "Obviously if you are reading this then I have died in Iraq. I kind of predicted this, that is why I'm writing this in November. A third time just seemed like I'm pushing my chances. I don't regret going, everybody dies but few get to do it for something as important as freedom. It may seem confusing why we are in Iraq, it's not to me. I'm here helping these people, so that they can live the way we live. Not have to worry about tyrants or vicious dictators. To do what they want with their lives. To me that is why I died. Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark."
What Jeffrey said is important. Americans need to understand that most of those who are or have been there understand what's going on. It would honor Jeffrey's memory if you would publish the rest of his story.

Loki
10-30-2005, 09:49 PM
TC says:

why does this soldier hate America and love terrorists?

:rolleyes:

Adept Havelock
10-30-2005, 09:56 PM
I agree that our troops largely represent what is best in us, our nation.

That said, is it so wrong that many of us feel that they have done their part in liberating Iraq from Hussien?

The obligation is now on the Iraqis to defend the freedom we have given them. The quickest way to encourage the Iraqis that want freedom to take this responsibility, and the blood it costs, is for us to bring our troops home. Leaving our troops there fighting to defend their state clearly does not encourage their army to take responsibility. Us saying get you act together, because we are leaving on xx date just might force them to get their act together.

We've done our part. We should continue to provide money and equipment in support. As for the blood cost, IMO, it's on them now.

SBK
10-30-2005, 10:08 PM
I agree that our troops largely represent what is best in us, our nation.

That said, is it so wrong that many of us feel that they have done their part in liberating Iraq from Hussien?

The obligation is now on the Iraqis to defend the freedom we have given them. The quickest way to encourage the Iraqis that want freedom to take this responsibility, and the blood it costs, is for us to bring our troops home. Leaving our troops there fighting to defend their state clearly does not encourage their army to take responsibility. Us saying get you act together, because we are leaving on xx date just might force them to get their act together.

We've done our part. We should continue to provide money and equipment in support. As for the blood cost, IMO, it's on them now.

You ought to give your kid the keys to the car when he's 4, since he'll be driving someday anyway.

Boyceofsummer
10-30-2005, 10:59 PM
http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html

Mr. Kotter
10-31-2005, 08:24 AM
http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html

Cowards are lucky that brave men and women see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice--too bad it's often for those who are nothing more than a pathetic excuse for human flesh. Freedom is not free.

Boyceofsummer
10-31-2005, 09:23 AM
Cowards are lucky that brave men and women see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice--too bad it's often for those who are nothing more than a pathetic excuse for human flesh. Freedom is not free.

Freedom is not free? How much money has Iraq spent on their freedom? How many brave Iraqis see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice? For Iraq, freedom has been cheap. America and Americans have sacrificed enough. How many more American lives should we spend on this mistake, Kotter?

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/Tears/Tears-1.html

Radar Chief
10-31-2005, 10:09 AM
http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html

Always find it funny, in a tragic sorta way, when someone has to use lies to show outrage over supposed lies.

Radar Chief
10-31-2005, 10:16 AM
Freedom is not free? How much money has Iraq spent on their freedom? How many brave Iraqis see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice? For Iraq, freedom has been cheap. America and Americans have sacrificed enough. How many more American lives should we spend on this mistake, Kotter?

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/Tears/Tears-1.html

Funny, in a sad hypocritical sorta way, that you’d bemoan the loss of American lives for Iraqi’s freedom while belittling the Iraqi lives lost for same thing.

Mr. Kotter
10-31-2005, 10:34 AM
Freedom is not free? How much money has Iraq spent on their freedom? How many brave Iraqis see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice? For Iraq, freedom has been cheap. America and Americans have sacrificed enough. How many more American lives should we spend on this mistake, Kotter?

http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/Tears/Tears-1.html

How much money and lives have the Iraqis spent? Please tell me you are not this stupid... :rolleyes:

Good thing for blacks that Grant and Lincoln understood what you do not.

Loki
10-31-2005, 10:51 AM
Always find it funny, in a tragic sorta way, when someone has to use lies to show outrage over supposed lies.

heh heh...

Boyceofsummer
10-31-2005, 11:23 AM
In the first gulf war thousands upon thousands of Iraqis were nothing but fodder for coalition munitions. Now that your chosen BOY has managed to wade headfirst in this quagmire you take up the Iraqi cause. You folks don't really care how many lives are spent. Your ONLY concern is loyalty to the ruling regime in Washington. Maybe you will go down with the rest of the turds when the big flush has ended.

Radar Chief
10-31-2005, 11:33 AM
In the first gulf war thousands upon thousands of Iraqis were nothing but fodder for coalition munitions. Now that your chosen BOY has managed to wade headfirst in this quagmire you take up the Iraqi cause. You folks don't really care how many lives are spent. Your ONLY concern is loyalty to the ruling regime in Washington. Maybe you will go down with the rest of the turds when the big flush has ended.

Again, sadly hypocritical that you’d post that.
Guess lives, American or other, only matter when you can martyr them. :shake:

patteeu
10-31-2005, 11:44 AM
Cowards are lucky that brave men and women see honor and service in their tragic sacrifice--too bad it's often for those who are nothing more than a pathetic excuse for human flesh. Freedom is not free.

I thought that if no one responded to Boyce, he'd eventually get the impression that he'd been put on universal ignore and go away. Thanks for ruining that plan. :mad:

:p

Radar Chief
10-31-2005, 11:57 AM
I thought that if no one responded to Boyce, he'd eventually get the impression that he'd been put on universal ignore and go away. Thanks for ruining that plan. :mad:

:p

:redface:

Loki
10-31-2005, 12:11 PM
In the first gulf war thousands upon thousands of Iraqis were nothing but fodder for coalition munitions.

guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time.



Your ONLY concern is loyalty to the ruling regime in Washington.

no, for most of us, our loyalties lie with our troops who believe in their
mission in iraq.

quagmire... whatever teddy... :rolleyes:

go bowe
10-31-2005, 12:55 PM
i dunno...

i kinda feel like my loyalties lie with all the troops, not just those who believe in what they're doing...

i wish them all Godspeed and a safe return home...

Adept Havelock
10-31-2005, 07:07 PM
You ought to give your kid the keys to the car when he's 4, since he'll be driving someday anyway.

Actually, a far more accurate analogy to what I actually said would be "You ought to encourage your kid to actually go out and work and pay for the car he wants. He'll be driving soon. It's OK to give him some financial backing and all the moral support he needs, but the primary obligation should be on him." :thumb: