Tide of public opinion turning against corrupt WH:

[Ugly Duck]

53 percent believe the Bush administration deliberately misled the public on weapons of mass destruction.

76 percent believe Libby broke the law or did something unethical.

56 percent said the charges against Libby are a sign of low ethical standards in the Bush administration.

55 percent believe Cheney was aware of Libby's actions.

51 percent have an unfavorable opinion of Cheney, up from 47 percent two weeks ago.

43 percent believe Bush can manage the government effectively, compared with 53 percent who held that opinion in July.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/30/leak.probe/index.html

[Area 51]

53 percent believe the Bush administration deliberately misled the public on weapons of mass destruction.

76 percent believe Libby broke the law or did something unethical.

56 percent said the charges against Libby are a sign of low ethical standards in the Bush administration.

55 percent believe Cheney was aware of Libby's actions.

51 percent have an unfavorable opinion of Cheney, up from 47 percent two weeks ago.

43 percent believe Bush can manage the government effectively, compared with 53 percent who held that opinion in July.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/30/leak.probe/index.html

Lets ask all of the democrats around to find out what their perception of the operation of the country is. That's what alot of the polls seem to indicate.

I've been asked for my opinion on two occasions, both times they weren't happy with my answers, I doubt that my responses were included in the poll.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Lets ask all of the democrats around to find out what their perception of the operation of the country is. That's what alot of the polls seem to indicate.

I've been asked for my opinion on two occasions, both times they weren't happy with my answers, I doubt that my responses were included in the poll.
:rolleyes:

[Uatu]

Funny how you conveniently fail to mention that his approval rating is stable and views of his honesty actually rose over last month.

Nevertheless, Bush's approval rating was 41 percent, the same as it was before before the indictment, and views of his honesty remained stable at 49 percent versus 47 percent last month.

[Area 51]

:rolleyes:

Why do you :rolleyes:?

The polls are typically skewed by the takers. Many polls are taken only to prove a point that agrees with an agenda.

Ask the man on the street. Use what answers you feel are fitting to your side of the argument.

[WoodDraw]

Why do you :rolleyes:?

The polls are typically skewed by the takers. Many polls are taken only to prove a point that agrees with an agenda.

Ask the man on the street. Use what answers you feel are fitting to your side of the argument.

http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf

[Danush]

http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf

Polling is complex and complicated. It can be accurate, but there are plenty of examples where polling produces inaccurate results. Ask Al Gore.

Do you presume all "reputable" polling methodology to be scientific and precise, or just those with which you agree?

[WoodDraw]

Polling is complex and complicated. It can be accurate, but there are plenty of examples where polling produces inaccurate results. Ask Al Gore.


Yeah, I agree completely. My problem with Area51's post wasn't that he was questioning the accuracy of the poll (even though he offers nothing to back his opinion up with) but instead that he accused Gallop of having an "agenda" that they are trying to further through their polls. That just shows a complete lack of understanding of how these polls are conducted.

[Danush]

... That just shows a complete lack of understanding of how these polls are conducted.

I understand your point, but would add that just because an organization produces a paper outlining preferred standards and methodology for polling doesn't mean they adhere to its guidelines.

I know Gallop is, generally, reputable; I'm not disputing that. However, the insinuation that polling can and does reflect ideological biases and can even create a "bandwagon" effect has been demonstrated many times. Ask Zogby about his 2004 polling of the Presidential race, for instance.

[Chief Henry]

Over 59 Million people voted for President Bush
to nominate a SCOTUS like Scalia and Thomas.
Guess what. They got what they voted for too.
Thats powerful.

This poll is a snapshot in time. President has THREE more years to torment you libs. He's got a
good economy of 3.80% growth. Saddam is on TRIAL and we've had two GREAT SHOWINGS in the ELECTIONS in IRAQ. President Bush has got ONE ROCK SOLID SCOTUS now the Chief Justice and now he's nominated the 2nd Rock SOLID nominee. The dems will go bizerk trying to derail this nominee and they will fall flat on they're face.

All this time the dems will not once show us anything as far as idea's----except for trying to impeach President Bush. If I were a dem, I would hate that game plan. Its failed many times.

[WoodDraw]

I understand your point, but would add that just because an organization produces a paper outlining preferred standards and methodology for polling doesn't mean they adhere to its guidelines.

I know Gallop is, generally, reputable; I'm not disputing that. However, the insinuation that polling can and does reflect ideological biases and can even create a "bandwagon" effect has been demonstrated many times. Ask Zogby about his 2004 polling of the Presidential race, for instance.

I haven't heard any widespread, legitimate criticism of Gallop and, as far as I know, they are a reputable polling organization that does their best to keep biases out of their results. Now I'm sure that isn't the same with all polls but I haven't seen anything to make me doubt the honesty of this poll.

And let's remember what Area51 said:

"Lets ask all of the democrats around to find out what their perception of the operation of the country is. That's what alot of the polls seem to indicate."

That's just slightly more extreme then what you are saying and that's what I was responding to.

[Area 51]

http://media.gallup.com/PDF/FAQ/HowArePolls.pdf

Your link provides some guidelines from a group that has set standards. Many of the polls that are used as gospel around here are from media hacks that have a point to prove with their questioning.

The opinion polls I was a part of seemed to be very biased in the questions, not to mention the attitude of the person taking the information once they heard the affiliation of the person and/or the answer to their questions.

[Area 51]

Yeah, I agree completely. My problem with Area51's post wasn't that he was questioning the accuracy of the poll (even though he offers nothing to back his opinion up with) but instead that he accused Gallop of having an "agenda" that they are trying to further through their polls. That just shows a complete lack of understanding of how these polls are conducted.

You are incorrect. I didn't specify anyone in my comment. I was basing the comment on the polls that I was involved with as a "man on the street."

I understand the concept behind polls and Gallop is one that might be considered above the rest.

[Area 51]

Over 59 Million people voted for President Bush
to nominate a SCOTUS like Scalia and Thomas.
Guess what. They got what they voted for too.
Thats powerful.

This poll is a snapshot in time. President has THREE more years to torment you libs. He's got a
good economy of 3.80% growth. Saddam is on TRIAL and we've had two GREAT SHOWINGS in the ELECTIONS in IRAQ. President Bush has got ONE ROCK SOLID SCOTUS now the Chief Justice and now he's nominated the 2nd Rock SOLID nominee. The dems will go bizerk trying to derail this nominee and they will fall flat on they're face.

All this time the dems will not once show us anything as far as idea's----except for trying to impeach President Bush. If I were a dem, I would hate that game plan. Its failed many times.

What you have pointed out is the fact that the dems do not have a plan, thus they can only attack what they don't like about what the republicans are doing. They are doomed to fail again in 2008 if they can't come up with some substance in their platform, if they had one.

[Area 51]

I haven't heard any widespread, legitimate criticism of Gallop and, as far as I know, they are a reputable polling organization that does their best to keep biases out of their results. Now I'm sure that isn't the same with all polls but I haven't seen anything to make me doubt the honesty of this poll.

And let's remember what Area51 said:

"Lets ask all of the democrats around to find out what their perception of the operation of the country is. That's what alot of the polls seem to indicate."

That's just slightly more extreme then what you are saying and that's what I was responding to.

Again you have "tagged" my comment to all, that is incorrect. I can see how you might come to that conclusion. Far be it from me to condemn all pollsters based on my experience with two different polls.

As said before, everyone that takes polls are not reputable, not even those that are usually above board.

[WoodDraw]

So do you or do you not think this poll/Gallup is reputable and, if you do, what was the point of your post? Just to remind us that at one point some crazy guy called you for your opinion but didn't like the answer?

[Ugly Duck]

Funny how you conveniently fail to mention that his approval rating is stable and views of his honesty actually rose over last month.
OK..... Don't think it will make you feel any better, but I'll add that Bush's approval rating is at a terribly low 41 percent and less than half of Americans say Bush is honest.