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Mr. Laz
11-02-2005, 12:45 PM
Report: CIA has secret al-Qaida prison

Associated Press


NEW YORK - The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al-Qaida captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement, the Washington Post reported.

The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents, the paper said Tuesday on its Web site.

The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism, the Post said. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.

The existence and locations of the facilities - referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents - are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country, it said.

The CIA and the White House, citing national security concerns and the value of the program, have dissuaded Congress from demanding that the agency answer questions in open testimony about the conditions under which captives are held. Virtually nothing is known about who is kept in the facilities, what interrogation methods are employed with them, or how decisions are made about whether they should be detained or for how long.

While the Defense Department has produced volumes of public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites. To do so, officials familiar with the program told the Post, could open the U.S. government to legal challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk of political condemnation at home and abroad.

But the revelations of widespread prisoner abuse in Afghanistan and Iraq by the U.S. military - which operates under published rules and transparent oversight of Congress - have increased concern among lawmakers, foreign governments and human rights groups about the opaque CIA system. Those concerns escalated last month, when Vice President Cheney and CIA Director Porter J. Goss asked Congress to exempt CIA employees from legislation already endorsed by 90 senators that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any prisoner in U.S. custody.

Although the CIA will not acknowledge details of its system, intelligence officials defend the agency's approach, arguing that the successful defense of the country requires that the agency be empowered to hold and interrogate suspected terrorists for as long as necessary and without restrictions imposed by the U.S. legal system or even by the military tribunals established for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.

The Washington Post said it is not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program, at the request of senior U.S. officials. They argued that the disclosure might disrupt counterterrorism efforts in those countries and elsewhere and could make them targets of possible terrorist retaliation.

The secret detention system was conceived in the chaotic and anxious first months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when the working assumption was that a second strike was imminent.

Since then, the arrangement has been increasingly debated within the CIA, where considerable concern lingers about the legality, morality and practicality of holding even unrepentant terrorists in such isolation and secrecy, perhaps for the duration of their lives. Mid-level and senior CIA officers began arguing two years ago that the system was unsustainable and diverted the agency from its unique espionage mission, the Post said.


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/13062142.htm

Extra Point
11-02-2005, 12:49 PM
Whatever happened to shoot-and-kill? The al Queda aren't going to give up their most important operatives. Torturing these bastards only fuels the myth of martyrdom, anyway.

Warrior5
11-02-2005, 12:50 PM
I predict this thread will be in DC shortly...

Brock
11-02-2005, 12:55 PM
That's okay with me.

BTW, this belongs in DC.

go bowe
11-02-2005, 01:03 PM
there's already a thread about this in d.c., i think...

go bowe
11-02-2005, 01:06 PM
Whatever happened to shoot-and-kill? The al Queda aren't going to give up their most important operatives. Torturing these bastards only fuels the myth of martyrdom, anyway.i dunno...

it might not be better to kill them outright...

haven't we gotten lots of information from khalid or whats-his-name?

i was under the impression that we have caught lots of al quaeda guys, mostly as a result of catching other al quaeda guys earlier...

Extra Point
11-02-2005, 01:56 PM
Who says that the CIA made this up, and killed the SOB, then will "find" him and will have reported that they killed him while resisting re-arrest?

They don't need 8 detention centers. Do you want to finance the transport of detainees to all these different places. What the Hell are they gonna do when they read the end of the inquisition? Move them to the US? This sh*t is too much, even for TV.

Iowanian
11-02-2005, 02:44 PM
Good....I hope they've got some high volt batteries to clamp on their baows.

Area 51
11-02-2005, 02:45 PM
I predict this thread will be in DC shortly...

Another one is already there and been there for a while.

Cochise
11-02-2005, 02:49 PM
I really have a hard time feeling sorry for Al Queda terrorists no matter what happens to them.

Ebolapox
11-02-2005, 02:52 PM
I love how the 'secret' gets talked about in a newspaper--whatever happened to a f*cking SECRET?!?

-EB-

Area 51
11-02-2005, 02:57 PM
I really have a hard time feeling sorry for Al Queda terrorists no matter what happens to them.

Thas is equivalent to an NBA 3 pointer!

morphius
11-02-2005, 03:12 PM
Does this really surprise anyone? I mean really, these could be houses with 3 guys locked in the basement for a period of time.

Cochise
11-02-2005, 03:27 PM
Poll: Your favorite Al Queda prison perk?

-Serving as a chew toy for pit bulls
-A rousing game of "pin the K-bar on the terrorist"
-Potato peeling lessons for the new recruits, starring a potato peeler and your pouch

BigRedChief
11-02-2005, 03:29 PM
I really have a hard time feeling sorry for Al Queda terrorists no matter what happens to them.

fuk em. You pick up arms against this country during a time of war, all bets are off. You get your ass captured and get tourtured in a basement somewhere good for us. One less scumbag to threaten the homeland.

Pitt Gorilla
11-02-2005, 03:29 PM
I really have a hard time feeling sorry for Al Queda terrorists no matter what happens to them.Yup.

Pitt Gorilla
11-02-2005, 03:29 PM
fuk em. You pick up arms against this country during a time of war, all bets are off. You get your ass captured and get tourtured in a basement somewhere good for us. One less scumbag to threaten the homeland.As long as they aren't torturing our guys.

Brock
11-02-2005, 03:31 PM
As long as they aren't torturing our guys.

I'm sure they would never do that, regardless of what we do.

Saggysack
11-02-2005, 03:39 PM
I really have a hard time feeling sorry for Al Queda terrorists no matter what happens to them.


Completely agree. Rack the bitch!

HarryParatestes
11-02-2005, 03:55 PM
East Europe? We hire former KGB agents to do the interrogations.

We get info, they get jobs thus reducing unemployment rates...


Sounds like a Win-Win to me. :clap:

StcChief
11-02-2005, 04:15 PM
No Genevia rights since 'AlQueda' is not an official recognized country. Only combat terrorists.

Extra Point
11-02-2005, 04:21 PM
East Europe? We hire former KGB agents to do the interrogations.

We get info, they get jobs thus reducing unemployment rates...


Sounds like a Win-Win to me. :clap:

Kind of like support at Dell. Foreign sourcing of american jobs...

"Hello, this Boris. How may I help."

"Oh, for extremist Muslim activist, Press Control, Shock, Delete. Very simple, very easy. Just be sure to run Clean Up afterward. Does this answer question?"

"Good. Have nice day, and thank you for contacting CIA."

BigRedChief
11-02-2005, 10:35 PM
East Europe? We hire former KGB agents to do the interrogations.

We get info, they get jobs thus reducing unemployment rates...


Sounds like a Win-Win to me. :clap:

Rid the world of terriost scum bags and provide jobs to friendly countries. America at its best.:)

Count Alex's Losses
11-02-2005, 10:44 PM
Man this is movie-type stuff.

BigMeatballDave
11-03-2005, 03:13 AM
I hope we are not abusing them by blaring music or shining bright lights. Yes, that would be awful...

alanm
11-03-2005, 03:22 AM
As long as they aren't torturing our guys.
Nah.. They don't torture our guys. They just hack their head off and then drag the body thru the streets making sure there's a Al Jeezera camera nearby.