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Mr. Laz
11-06-2005, 05:50 PM
AFC East
Team W L T PCT PF PA Home Road AFC NFC DIV Streak
New England 4 3 0 .571 159 180 2-1 2-2 3-2 1-1 1-0 Won 1

AFC North
Team W L T PCT PF PA Home Road AFC NFC DIV Streak
Cincinnati 7 2 0 .778 210 134 3-1 4-1 4-2 3-0 2-1 Won 2

AFC South
Team W L T PCT PF PA Home Road AFC NFC DIV Streak
Indianapolis 7 0 0 1.000 189 77 3-0 4-0 5-0 2-0 3-0 Won 7

AFC West
Team W L T PCT PF PA Home Road AFC NFC DIV Streak
Denver 6 2 0 .750 201 152 5-0 1-2 4-1 2-1 2-0 Won 1


wildcard
Team ____ W L T -PCT PF . PA . Hm Rd AFC NFC DIV Streak
Pittsburgh.. 6 2 0 .750 189 124 2-2 4-0 5-2 1-0 2-0 Won 3
Jacksonville 5 3 0 .625 150 139 3-1 2-2 4-2 1-1 1-1 Won 1
Kansas City 5 3 0 .625 196 183 3-1 2-2 4-2 1-1 2-2 Won 1 [/edit for cdcox]
San Diego.. 5 4 0 .556 252 192 2-2 3-2 4-2 1-2 2-1 Won 2


TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.



Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.


Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

JBucc
11-06-2005, 05:51 PM
Too bad they don't start today

Rain Man
11-06-2005, 05:51 PM
Don't let cdcox see this.

CoMoChief
11-06-2005, 05:53 PM
What a ****in stupid thread.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 05:55 PM
For the gabillionth time, Jacksonville is leading us because of their better record in games against common opponents. They are 3-1 (0.75) compared to 1-1 (0.500) for KC. CBS had a graphic up during the game that showed Jacksonville leading us in the WC.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 05:55 PM
Don't let cdcox see this.

too late

Mr. Laz
11-06-2005, 05:56 PM
For the gabillionth time, Jacksonville is leading us because of their better record in games against common opponents. They are 3-1 (0.75) compared to 1-1 (0.500) for KC. CBS had a graphic up during the game that showed Jacksonville leading us in the WC.

i haven't seen it ONE F#cking time


sheesh ... post a simple thread

Cochise
11-06-2005, 05:56 PM
For the gabillionth time, Jacksonville is leading us because of their better record in games against common opponents. They are 3-1 (0.75) compared to 1-1 (0.500) for KC. CBS had a graphic up during the game that showed Jacksonville leading us in the WC.

How can they have 4 games against common opponents while we have only 2?

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:01 PM
How can they have 4 games against common opponents while we have only 2?

It's not like the schedule is a secret.

They've beaten the Texans, Jets, and Bengals. Lost to the Donks. They still have a game left against the Texans.

We've beaten the Jets and lost to the Broncos. We still have games against the Texans, Bengals and Broncos.

We'll be doing good to get a tie in this tiebreaker.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:03 PM
i haven't seen it ONE F#cking time


sheesh ... post a simple thread

You should spend more time on the Planet.

Mr. Laz
11-06-2005, 06:04 PM
It's not like the schedule is a secret.

They've beaten the Texans, Jets, and Bengals. Lost to the Donks. They still have a game left against the Texans.

We've beaten the Jets and lost to the Broncos. We still have games against the Texans, Bengals and Broncos.

We'll be doing good to get a tie in this tiebreaker.
so your projecting that we will lose the tiebreaker ... but we haven't yet






and here i was trying to be positive.

chiefsfan1963
11-06-2005, 06:06 PM
it goes to show that losing is not an option for the Chiefs if they want to play in the postseason!

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:07 PM
so your projecting that we will lose the tiebreaker ... but we haven't yet






and here i was trying to be positive.

Well, you are projecting that we will be tied in the conference games tiebreaker... but we could still win that. Right now we are behind in WLT percentage in common games, so I'm giving that tiebreaker to Jacksonville.

Mr. Laz
11-06-2005, 06:09 PM
so I'm giving that tiebreaker to Jacksonville.
how generous of you











:p :harumph:

Cochise
11-06-2005, 06:10 PM
It's not like the schedule is a secret.

They've beaten the Texans, Jets, and Bengals. Lost to the Donks. They still have a game left against the Texans.

We've beaten the Jets and lost to the Broncos. We still have games against the Texans, Bengals and Broncos.

We'll be doing good to get a tie in this tiebreaker.

Oh, ok, you're counting the teams we haven't played yet but will.

Really, it might be tough for the AFC West to get one wildcard team, let alone two. I don't see the north not sending a wildcard team and Jax seems like they have a good chance too.

The home game coming up against San Diego looks to me like it might be for the whole season. If we fall behind them we're not getting in.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:13 PM
Yeah, it looks there will be 3 or 4 teams competing closely for 2 WC spots.

Mr. Laz
11-06-2005, 06:17 PM
it goes to show that losing is not an option for the Chiefs if they want to play in the postseason!

yeppers... looking more and more like it's gonna take 11-5 to get into playoffs unless we win the division.


5-3 now ... need 6 out of 8

11/13/05 at Buffalo Bills 12:00 PM CBS (win)
11/20/05 at Houston Texans 7:30 PM ESPN+ (win)
11/27/05 New England Patriots 12:00 PM CBS (win)
12/04/05 Denver Broncos 3:15 PM CBS+ (win)
12/11/05 at Dallas Cowboys 3:15 PM CBS+ (loss)
12/17/05 at New York Giants 4:00 PM CBS+ (loss)
12/24/05 San Diego Chargers 12:00 PM CBS (win)
01/01/06 Cincinnati Bengals 12:00 PM CBS (win)

11-5


gotta win our home games and cincy gonna be tough.


Dungvar 6-2
Nov 13 @Oakland 4:05pm 715 123 111 (win)
Nov 20 N.Y. Jets 4:15pm 715 125 126 (win)
Nov 24 @Dallas 4:15pm 126 124 (loss)
Dec 4 @Kansas City 4:15pm 714 125 126 (loss)
Dec 11 Baltimore 4:15pm 713 123 125 (win)
Dec 17 @Buffalo 8:30pm 125 124 (win)
Dec 24 Oakland 4:15pm 714 125 126 (win)
Dec 31 @San Diego 4:30pm 125 127 (loss)

11-5

Dungvar wins tiebreaker with better divisional record :(

Count Alex's Losses
11-06-2005, 06:19 PM
11-5 will win the division IMO.

Valiant
11-06-2005, 06:26 PM
Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable. Not applicable

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Tied

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Tied and Not applicable, 1-1 agianst common

Strength of victory. KC
kc beat jets by 20, lost to denver by 20 = 0
jac beat jets by 6, lost to denver by 13 = -7

Strength of schedule.KC

Am I wrong on this, as of right now all of this looks correct...

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:34 PM
If we finish 10-6 the key games are SD and Cinci:

If we beat both of those teams, we would be about 70-75% sure of making the playoffs at 10-6.

If we lose to one we would be about 50-50 of making the playoffs at 10-6.

If we lose both of those, its only about 25% chance even with a 10-6 finish.

Cochise
11-06-2005, 06:35 PM
We're also not mentioning that the Donks have started hot the last several years and faded in the second half of the season.

2002 they started 6-2 and finished 9-7
2003 they started 6-1 and finished 10-6
2004 they started 5-1 and finished 10-6
2005 they started 6-2 and ...?

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable. Not applicable

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Tied

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. Tied and Not applicable, 1-1 agianst common

Strength of victory. KC
kc beat jets by 20, lost to denver by 20 = 0
jac beat jets by 6, lost to denver by 13 = -7

Strength of schedule.KC

Am I wrong on this, as of right now all of this looks correct...

There will be 5 games in common by the end of the season.

Strength of victory is the WLT percentages of the teams you beat. I haven't looked at that specifically, but I think others had and we were leading going into today.

Count Alex's Losses
11-06-2005, 06:45 PM
I don't know what this did for playoff standings, but I think we put down Oakland for good this week.

Denver should beat them next week, but I think everyone here will be rooting for the Raiders!

Cochise
11-06-2005, 06:46 PM
I don't know what this did for playoff standings, but I think we put down Oakland for good this week.

Denver should beat them next week, but I think everyone here will be rooting for the Raiders!

5 losses already and the Donks next week. Their season was KO'd today.

Rain Man
11-06-2005, 06:47 PM
There will be 5 games in common by the end of the season.

Strength of victory is the WLT percentages of the teams you beat. I haven't looked at that specifically, but I think others had and we were leading going into today.


Interestingly, I don't see any definition of "strength of victory" on the NFL web site. Since there's another tiebreaker further down that is called "strength of schedule", I'm presuming that that one is the WLT percentage of teams you beat, and that "strength of victory" is points scored less points against. If someone could confirm whether that's true or not, it'd be much appreciated.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Interestingly, I don't see any definition of "strength of victory" on the NFL web site. Since there's another tiebreaker further down that is called "strength of schedule", I'm presuming that that one is the WLT percentage of teams you beat, and that "strength of victory" is points scored less points against. If someone could confirm whether that's true or not, it'd be much appreciated.

I'm absolutely positive on this. Strength of schedule is the WLT percentage of all the teams on your schedule. I'll see if I can find a link.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 06:53 PM
here's a link:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/shanoff/021219.html

Rain Man
11-06-2005, 06:57 PM
here's a link:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/shanoff/021219.html


What exactly is "strength of victory?" It's the season-ending winning percentages of every team your team has beaten.

They don't count the winning percentage of all of the teams you played? Seriously? That's bogus.

cdcox
11-06-2005, 07:02 PM
They don't count the winning percentage of all of the teams you played? Seriously? That's bogus.

They do for strength of schedule, but not for strength of victory.