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Count Alex's Losses
11-07-2005, 03:17 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/13100274.htm

Fourth quarter worth the wait

Letís hope you hung around. Letís hope that 45 minutes of miserable football didnít make you flip the channel, cut your grass, plug in your PlayStation or head for the exit.

Regular-season NFL games donít come much more memorable than Sundayís Oakland-Kansas City clash.

You just had to be patient, because once Trent Green and Kerry Collins figured out how and where to throw the football, once the refs started whistling silly penalties, the points started piling up and Dick Vermeil was forced to gamble the season on one play.

When Larry Johnson dived into the end zone from a half-yard out as time expired, giving KC a 27-23 victory, Sundayís game became an Instant Classic, a contest Chiefs fans will never forget.

ďIt wasnít a playoff game, and it didnít decide the division, but for a regular-season game, that was pretty good,Ē said Hall of Famer Len Dawson. ďYou can talk about those last two plays for a long, long time.Ē

The last two plays ó a 36-yard catch íní run by Johnson that ended at the half-yard line with 5 seconds to play, and Johnsonís subsequent dive for victory ó were certainly memorable, but the entire fourth quarter was a riot.

It featured four touchdowns; a 20-9 Kansas City lead; a furious Raider rally and 23-20 Oakland lead; a questionable roughing-the-passer penalty that prolonged Oaklandís first TD drive; a totally bogus tripping penalty that sustained KCís game-winning drive; combined passing between Green and Collins that produced 19 completions in 25 attempts for 185 yards and two TDs; and, of course, Dick Vermeilís decision.

It was an obvious choice, Vermeilís decision to go for it on the gameís final play.

If you canít make a half-yard with the game on the line, against your most hated rival, you donít deserve to win. And there was absolutely no reason to play for overtime. A coin flip and a long field goal by Sebastian Janikowski could have dropped the Chiefs to 4-4 for the season and sent team morale spiraling.

Instead, the Chiefs are 5-3 today, right in the thick of the AFC playoff race, and have plenty of reasons to feel pretty good about themselves halfway through the season.

They beat Oakland without the services of Priest Holmes, Willie Roaf and Patrick Surtain ó players you could argue are KCís best running back, lineman and defensive back, respectively. They beat Oakland on a day when Trent Green couldnít be sharp because he had only two days to prepare after attending his fatherís funeral proceedings during the week of practice.

ďIf that (the victory) isnít a testament to a group of kids, I canít say what is,Ē Vermeil said after the game. ďHopefully this is the game that can catapult us into being a more complete football team.Ē

It might. The Chiefs will now play two straight winnable road games against teams with below-average offenses ó at Buffalo and Houston. This is a good opportunity for Gunther Cunninghamís defense to gain some confidence. Oakland quarterback Kerry Collins helped KCís confidence on Sunday, impersonating Gus Frerotte by making a plethora of mental errors. Buffaloís Kelly Holcomb and Houstonís David Carr have the ability to make KCís defense look effective, too.

But the upcoming games are just as important to KCís offense. The Chiefsí O will play the next couple of games with a better understanding of what they need to do to move the football consistently. Vermeil said that he and offensive coordinator Al Saunders didnít turn to their inside running game until the second half Sunday.

With Roaf and Holmes out, the Chiefs should lean on Johnsonís power running behind guards Brian Waters and Will Shields and center Casey Wiegmann.

Johnson rushed for 107 yards and two TDs in 22 carries. He caught three passes for 48 yards. If not for a couple of dropped passes, Johnson would have had a perfect game filling in for Holmes.

You know what? We might as well stop the ďfilling in for HolmesĒ stuff. This game ó and Holmesí latest injury, which might be a bit more serious than the Chiefs are letting on ó signals that, like his attitude or not, itís time for Johnson to be KCís full-time starter at running back.

If Holmes returns, at age 32 his health will always be a major concern. Plus, Johnson just has a big-play burst that Holmes doesnít have. Johnson delivered in a critical game. If he ever had a diaper on, itís off now, and Johnson is a young, in-his-prime playmaker. The Chiefs need one of those.

They also needed Sundayís miracle finish.

greg63
11-07-2005, 04:00 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/13100274.htm

Fourth quarter worth the wait

Letís hope you hung around. Letís hope that 45 minutes of miserable football didnít make you flip the channel, cut your grass, plug in your PlayStation or head for the exit.

Regular-season NFL games donít come much more memorable than Sundayís Oakland-Kansas City clash.

You just had to be patient, because once Trent Green and Kerry Collins figured out how and where to throw the football, once the refs started whistling silly penalties, the points started piling up and Dick Vermeil was forced to gamble the season on one play.

When Larry Johnson dived into the end zone from a half-yard out as time expired, giving KC a 27-23 victory, Sundayís game became an Instant Classic, a contest Chiefs fans will never forget.

ďIt wasnít a playoff game, and it didnít decide the division, but for a regular-season game, that was pretty good,Ē said Hall of Famer Len Dawson. ďYou can talk about those last two plays for a long, long time.Ē

The last two plays ó a 36-yard catch íní run by Johnson that ended at the half-yard line with 5 seconds to play, and Johnsonís subsequent dive for victory ó were certainly memorable, but the entire fourth quarter was a riot.

It featured four touchdowns; a 20-9 Kansas City lead; a furious Raider rally and 23-20 Oakland lead; a questionable roughing-the-passer penalty that prolonged Oaklandís first TD drive; a totally bogus tripping penalty that sustained KCís game-winning drive; combined passing between Green and Collins that produced 19 completions in 25 attempts for 185 yards and two TDs; and, of course, Dick Vermeilís decision.

It was an obvious choice, Vermeilís decision to go for it on the gameís final play.

If you canít make a half-yard with the game on the line, against your most hated rival, you donít deserve to win. And there was absolutely no reason to play for overtime. A coin flip and a long field goal by Sebastian Janikowski could have dropped the Chiefs to 4-4 for the season and sent team morale spiraling.

Instead, the Chiefs are 5-3 today, right in the thick of the AFC playoff race, and have plenty of reasons to feel pretty good about themselves halfway through the season.

They beat Oakland without the services of Priest Holmes, Willie Roaf and Patrick Surtain ó players you could argue are KCís best running back, lineman and defensive back, respectively. They beat Oakland on a day when Trent Green couldnít be sharp because he had only two days to prepare after attending his fatherís funeral proceedings during the week of practice.

ďIf that (the victory) isnít a testament to a group of kids, I canít say what is,Ē Vermeil said after the game. ďHopefully this is the game that can catapult us into being a more complete football team.Ē

It might. The Chiefs will now play two straight winnable road games against teams with below-average offenses ó at Buffalo and Houston. This is a good opportunity for Gunther Cunninghamís defense to gain some confidence. Oakland quarterback Kerry Collins helped KCís confidence on Sunday, impersonating Gus Frerotte by making a plethora of mental errors. Buffaloís Kelly Holcomb and Houstonís David Carr have the ability to make KCís defense look effective, too.

But the upcoming games are just as important to KCís offense. The Chiefsí O will play the next couple of games with a better understanding of what they need to do to move the football consistently. Vermeil said that he and offensive coordinator Al Saunders didnít turn to their inside running game until the second half Sunday.

With Roaf and Holmes out, the Chiefs should lean on Johnsonís power running behind guards Brian Waters and Will Shields and center Casey Wiegmann.

Johnson rushed for 107 yards and two TDs in 22 carries. He caught three passes for 48 yards. If not for a couple of dropped passes, Johnson would have had a perfect game filling in for Holmes.

You know what? We might as well stop the ďfilling in for HolmesĒ stuff. This game ó and Holmesí latest injury, which might be a bit more serious than the Chiefs are letting on ó signals that, like his attitude or not, itís time for Johnson to be KCís full-time starter at running back.

If Holmes returns, at age 32 his health will always be a major concern. Plus, Johnson just has a big-play burst that Holmes doesnít have. Johnson delivered in a critical game. If he ever had a diaper on, itís off now, and Johnson is a young, in-his-prime playmaker. The Chiefs need one of those.

They also needed Sundayís miracle finish.Typical Whitlock, the call on Allen was "questionable" but the tripping call was "totally bogus". ROFLROFL

It doesn't matter to me if the refs are bad as long as they're bad for both teams.

Mecca
11-07-2005, 04:19 AM
The "Larry Johnson needs to start train" is gaining momentum......

|Zach|
11-07-2005, 04:23 AM
The "Larry Johnson needs to start train" is gaining momentum......

Lets roll dawg...

http://www.kidsco.co.uk/Activitiesimages/Chattanooga%20Choo%20Choo%20Lg.png

petegz28
11-07-2005, 06:13 AM
I thought the tripping call was a good call. He may not meant to of tripped Green but he did.

Bob Dole
11-07-2005, 06:44 AM
a questionable roughing-the-passer penalty that prolonged Oaklandís first TD drive; a totally bogus tripping penalty that sustained KCís game-winning drive;

So the Allen penalty was "questionable" but the tripping was "totally bogus."

What a shock.

Hey Jason. How about Tomlinson pwning Law? The 4-camera replay of it on ESPN must have made you feel really good.

HemiEd
11-07-2005, 06:46 AM
I thought the tripping call was a good call. He may not meant to of tripped Green but he did.

I agree, Trent was fortunate not to sustain an injury.

This article can not have been written by jWhit, someone had to forge his name. jWhit would have bashed the Chiefs much more.

TrickyNicky
11-07-2005, 08:56 AM
Hes still a huge nay-sayer. It must be like pulling teeth for him to say more good things about the Chiefs than bad.

Also did you notice how he mentioned that Collins was making bad decisions and that we were very lucky he was doing so? Yeah, that tends to happen when your D-line actually gets a rush going.

Cochise
11-07-2005, 09:01 AM
The decision to go for it at the end was racist against Lawrence Tynes. [/bizarroWhitlock]

Cochise
11-07-2005, 09:03 AM
Hes still a huge nay-sayer. It must be like pulling teeth for him to say more good things about the Chiefs than bad.

Also did you notice how he mentioned that Collins was making bad decisions and that we were very lucky he was doing so? Yeah, that tends to happen when your D-line actually gets a rush going.

Cunningham finally decided to bring the blitzes this week. What do you know... maybe the best 3 quarters the defense has played all season.

chagrin
11-07-2005, 09:10 AM
He's such a wrinkle, anyone could have written that article.

dtebbe
11-07-2005, 09:34 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/13100274.htm


If you canít make a half-yard with the game on the line, against your most hated rival, you donít deserve to win. And there was absolutely no reason to play for overtime. A coin flip and a long field goal by Sebastian Janikowski could have dropped the Chiefs to 4-4 for the season and sent team morale spiraling.


My feelings exactly...

DT

dtebbe
11-07-2005, 09:36 AM
So the Allen penalty was "questionable" but the tripping was "totally bogus."

What a shock.

Hey Jason. How about Tomlinson pwning Law? The 4-camera replay of it on ESPN must have made you feel really good.

This just in.... Ty Law has finally found his jock, somewhere between the 20 and 30 yard line.

DT

Cochise
11-07-2005, 09:40 AM
This just in.... Ty Law has finally found his jock, somewhere between the 20 and 30 yard line.

DT

I heard they found Ty Law's jock in a wooded area several miles from the stadium ROFL

greg63
11-07-2005, 12:01 PM
Lets roll dawg...

http://www.kidsco.co.uk/Activitiesimages/Chattanooga%20Choo%20Choo%20Lg.png

ROFLROFLROFLROFL
But, it's empty.

Chromatic
11-07-2005, 12:43 PM
Lets roll dawg...

http://www.kidsco.co.uk/Activitiesimages/Chattanooga%20Choo%20Choo%20Lg.png

ROFL ROFL That's awesome.

Mr. Kotter
11-07-2005, 12:46 PM
The "Larry Johnson needs to start train" is gaining momentum......

I'm thinkin' about climbin' on board myself. As much as I love Priest, maybe he ought to be a goal-line/change-up/get-Larry-a-breather specialist.

I almost feel slimey.

Chromatic
11-07-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm thinkin' about climbin' on board myself. As much as I love Priest, maybe he ought to be a goal-line/change-up/get-Larry-a-breather specialist.

I almost feel slimey.

I know, it's hard to cast aside the man who had 27 touchdowns 2 years ago. But hell, we're in a playoff race.

DRU
11-07-2005, 01:09 PM
I thought the tripping call was a good call. He may not meant to of tripped Green but he did.

Actually, the only reason he flew into Green the way he did is because he was literally pulled/thrown to the ground by one of our lineman. It was indeed a bogus call...but so was Allen's. All even.

greg63
11-07-2005, 01:21 PM
Actually, the only reason he flew into Green the way he did is because he was literally pulled/thrown to the ground by one of our lineman. It was indeed a bogus call...but so was Allen's. All even.

Yup.

Inspector
11-07-2005, 01:38 PM
It's hard to think of anyone in their 30's as being old, but in the football world for running backs - that's pretty old, even if you had a slow start to your career.

Priest has been like a rock for awhile and it will be difficult to get used to but, it really does look like it's time for him to be our Faulk.

One thing for sure, we are lucky to have LJ ready to take over. How would you like it if we had to go back to the Mike Clouds and Donnell's Bennets of the running back world?

Yikes, that freaks me out.

LJ is good to have on our team.

Looks like it's very good.

ferrarispider95
11-07-2005, 01:41 PM
STOP THE TRAIN!

I am sure the hell not boarding yet, how soon we forget our boy Priest. Once he returns and busts up a defense for 4 touchdowns, you will all want back on the Priest train, well my friend, doubters ride in the very back.

Carlota69
11-07-2005, 02:44 PM
STOP THE TRAIN!

I am sure the hell not boarding yet, how soon we forget our boy Priest. Once he returns and busts up a defense for 4 touchdowns, you will all want back on the Priest train, well my friend, doubters ride in the very back.

I'm all for LJ being our long man and Priest becoming the goal line specialist.

Remember Marcus Allen?

Doesn't mean I've forgotten our boy Priest. I'm just tired of him getting injured every single season.

Thig Lyfe
11-07-2005, 03:20 PM
Typical Whitlock, the call on Allen was "questionable" but the tripping call was "totally bogus". ROFLROFL


Yep... exactly what I noticed...

go bowe
11-07-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm all for LJ being our long man and Priest becoming the goal line specialist.

Remember Marcus Allen?

Doesn't mean I've forgotten our boy Priest. I'm just tired of him getting injured every single season.arrrrgh...

a rare carlota sighting... :toast:

Calcountry
11-07-2005, 03:32 PM
I'm thinkin' about climbin' on board myself. As much as I love Priest, maybe he ought to be a goal-line/change-up/get-Larry-a-breather specialist.

I almost feel slimey.I like the Chiefs. The word Chiefs is plural.

I still like Priest, but at best he is on a gradual decline and at worst is just about ready to hang em up and go play with his family.

Priest is the specialist from now on if I am the coach. Sink or Swim, LJ is the man, he is on the incline, have to ride that pony now.

ct
11-07-2005, 03:42 PM
I thought the tripping call was a good call. He may not meant to of tripped Green but he did.

There was most definitely a penalty on that play. A blatent holding penalty on the OLineman, who literally grabbed, held, dragged and spun the defender into Trent Green. Hence the tripping call. It was totally bogus. And so was the call on Jaren Allen.

Having said that, I don't think either call really affected the outcome. Oakland still scores on that drive. And KC still drives and scores a TD. JMO.