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Rain Man
11-08-2005, 09:57 AM
Feel free to critique.

QB - Green vs. Kelly Holcomb - Don't look now, but Holcomb has had a QB rating over 90 in two of the three seasons he's had over 100 attempts. Now the good news: he's had over 100 attempts 3 times in 10 seasons, and the only time he had 200+ attempts his QB rating was 74.6. 7/3

HB - Johnson vs. Willis McGahee. McGahee has a career average of 4.1 yards and is not a huge threat out of the backfield. I don't see why he's such a big deal. I like Johnson's 4.9 career average better. 6/4

FB - Richardson vs. Damion Shelton. Solid 262-lb. blocker. Has one carry in 1+ season with Buffalo, and 23 catches. Gimme Richardson's versatility. 6/4

WR - Kennison vs. Eric Moulds. Moulds is a short-pass guy now. He hasn't averaged more than 12.9 yards per catch since 2001. He and Kennison both have 37 catches this year, but Moulds has 363 yards and Kennison has 548. Moulds is a talent, but he's not that scary. 5/5

WR - Boerigter (?) vs. Lee Evans. Evans has 18 catches this year for a 13 yard average. Not scary production, but then Boerigter isn't scary, either. (Is Boerigter starting? Parker? Someone else?) 3/7

TE - Gonzalez vs. Mark Campbell. Bills have a low-production tight end position. Cambell has 11 catches this year and is ahead of last year's pace. Not a huge blocker-type, either, at 255 lbs. 9/1

LT - Black vs. Mike Gandy. Former Bears backup/starter in his first year in Buffalo. Third-round pick. Nothing special, but...you know. 3/7

LG - Waters vs. Mike Williams?. Mammoth 360 lber, former #4 pick in the draft. Playing on a hurt ankle, probable starter at LG for the first time in his career. May be a good move in the long run, but it will hurt this week. 8/2

C - Wiegman vs. Trey Teague. Former cheating, chop-blocking low-round-pick Denver lineman. Unclear if he still cheats with Bills. 6/4

RG - Shields vs. Chris Villareal. Another former Bear. That means a lot. Shields would kill him in a typical year, but is a bit off this year. 7/3

RT - Welbourne vs. Jason Peters. Peters was drafted as a tight end - a really, really big tight end at 328 lbs. He's a backup left tackle now making his second consecutive start at RT. May be good in the long run, but Welbourne has an advantage at the moment. 6/4

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K - Tynes vs. Rian Lindell. Lindell is having a good year just like Tynes. 5/5

P - Colquitt vs. Brian Moorman. 5th-year punter is having a good gross year (45.7), but his net is only 1.6 yards more than Colquitt's 36.0. Plus Colquitt's caused - what, 8? - fumbles this year. For that reason, go with Colquitt. 6/4

KR/PR - Hall vs. Terence McGee (KR) and Nate Clements (PR). McGee is a legitimate threat, with 6 of his 20 returns this year being 40+ yards. Hall has 5 in 34 attempts. Clements is pedestrian. Interestingly, these two guys are their starting corners, so let's hope that the Scanlon/Grigsby team knocks them silly. 6/4

FS - Wesley vs. Troy Vincent. Former CB with 46 career INTs is now a pretty good safety. 3/7

SS - Knight vs. Lawyer Milloy. Hard-hitting safety, but has only forced 5 turnovers in 2+ seasons with Buffalo. Knight has 12 in the same time period. 5/5

LCB - Surtain (?) or Washington (?) vs. Terence McGee. Active, solid CB who can force turnovers, against our guy, whoever that might be. Hard to judge since we don't know who'll be out there, but McGee seems solid. 4/6

RCB - Warfield (?) vs. Nate Clements. Clements has forced 28 turnovers in only 4+ years, which is very good. He produces about 50 tackles per year, which is so-so. 3/7

LOLB - Johnson vs. Jeff Posey. Posey is an unimpressive vet with stops in SF, JAC, HOU, and now BUF. Had 8 sacks back in 2002, but nothing else to distinguish him. 7/3

ROLB - Bell vs. Angelo Crowell. Brother of former Lions receiver Germane. 3rd round pick. Inactive on opening day, now starting due to injuries. First year starting, and is being relatively productive despite lack of big plays. Not large at 235 lbs. Not bad statistically, outperforming Bell. 4/6

MLB - Mitchell vs. London Fletcher. Fletcher's a 100+ tackle guy, still very active. Our own Mitchell is really coming into his own (assuming he's not injured - anyone heard?), but isn't yet in Fletcher's league. 3/7

LDE - Hicks vs. Chris Kelsay. Yes, everyone's desired draft pick a couple of years ago. Or not. Low-productivity guy with only about 20 tackles and 2 to 3 sacks per year. 2 interceptions places him above William Bartee on career rankings, though. 275 lbs. I'd give Hicks an edge, believe it or not. 7/3

RDE - Allen vs. Aaron Schobel. Smallish 262 lb. pass rusher. Gets better every year, good for 8 to 10 sacks per year, having a good year so far statistically, almost identical to Allen's. 5/5

LDT - Browning vs. Sam Adams. Founding father is still playing. Kind of a Dalton widebody. No stats, but plugs up the middle. Browning is out-stats-ing him, but who are we kidding? 2/8

RDT - Dalton vs. Tim Anderson. Who? Third-round pick in second year. Biggish 304-lber. got starting job just last month. Not a world-beater, but neither is Dalton. Actually is outperforming Dalton statistically given that he hasn't been a starter all year. 4/6

Totals

Offense: Chiefs 66, Bills 44
Special Teams: Chiefs 17, Bills 13
Defense: Bills 63, Chiefs 47

jspchief
11-08-2005, 09:59 AM
You need to work on the layout.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 10:01 AM
What - you don't like reams of text?

Dunit35
11-08-2005, 10:08 AM
You should bold the points given for each comparison.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 10:09 AM
Ah. A nice suggestion. Let's try it.

Dunit35
11-08-2005, 10:16 AM
Ah, looks better.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 10:21 AM
I added a nice Monet print to the middle now, too. I think it adds some visual appeal.

StcChief
11-08-2005, 10:24 AM
Seems fair analysis.
Maybe MLB 4/6. Give Mitchell alittle more credit.

B_Ambuehl
11-08-2005, 10:52 AM
Moulds is a short-pass guy now. He hasn't averaged more than 12.9 yards per catch since 2001. He and Kennison both have 37 catches this year, but Moulds has 363 yards and Kennison has 548. Moulds is a talent, but he's not that scary

Those words could be very edible come Sunday.

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 12:25 PM
Your right on about a few things but i think my bills will surprize you this week.

StcChief
11-08-2005, 12:33 PM
Your right on about a few things but i think my bills will surprize you this week.
Hottie a homer?

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 12:37 PM
Bills fan till i die..

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 12:48 PM
Bills fan till i die..

What would you do if the Bills moved to New York City and switched to green jerseys? Would you still be a fan?

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 12:51 PM
yeah...if they were still the bills

htismaqe
11-08-2005, 12:53 PM
J-E-T-S

Bills, Bills, Bills!

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 12:55 PM
o man i would sooner lop off one of my tits then have that happen..but like i said, bills fan till i die

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 12:55 PM
What if they moved to New York, got green jerseys, kept the Buffalo on the helmet but added a jet flying over it, and then signed Vinnie Testaverde and Wayne Chrebet, but called themselves the New Jersey Bills?

HarryParatestes
11-08-2005, 12:57 PM
Bills fan till i die..


New posters are required to post a nude picture of herself... ( assuming you ARE a female? If you're a guy with a name like that...the 49ers board is eslewhere...)

Inspector
11-08-2005, 01:04 PM
New posters are required to post a nude picture of herself... ( assuming you ARE a female? If you're a guy with a name like that...the 49ers board is eslewhere...)

Must be a girl, with that lopping off a tit comment........

BTW, don't do it hottie. We need you to be whole.

I said whole.

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 01:06 PM
don't worry, if good girl is what you want...good girl is what you'll get.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 01:06 PM
Must be a girl, with that lopping off a tit comment........



That's not a guarantee. There are a lot of fat guys in Buffalo.

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 01:07 PM
What if they moved to New York, got green jerseys, kept the Buffalo on the helmet but added a jet flying over it, and then signed Vinnie Testaverde and Wayne Chrebet, but called themselves the New Jersey Bills? yes i would still be a bills fan

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 01:07 PM
That's not a guarantee. There are a lot of fat guys in Buffalo.
i really am a girl..no worries

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 01:08 PM
yes i would still be a bills fan

Okay, that's pretty impressive.

Even if they brought back Peerless Price?

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 01:10 PM
yup still a bills fan

StcChief
11-08-2005, 02:08 PM
Bills the five time AFC SB embarassment.

htismaqe
11-08-2005, 02:10 PM
Bills the five time AFC SB embarassment.

"Buff-lo's goin to da Supah Bow!"

StcChief
11-08-2005, 02:35 PM
"Buff-lo's goin to da Supah Bow!"

'America we're back.....' NOT

Footballhottie
11-08-2005, 02:39 PM
we are also the only team to get to the super bowl 4 times in a row

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 02:44 PM
we are also the only team to get to the super bowl 4 times in a row


Wow. The memories you must have.

StcChief
11-08-2005, 02:55 PM
All I remember from the SB parties with Bills...

A family from Buffalo crying before it was over.

ferrarispider95
11-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Good analysis
Hopefully Surtain will play, and I hate to say it but I would start Washington over Warfield. Washington looks like he know what was going on and made key tackles.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 04:39 PM
Disagree on the HB analysis...Willis is the real deal....but it is nice seeing a PSU alum at RB making it in the NFL and I think we're more even on the return game than anything. I'd give us the advantage but T-Mac has yet to break one for a TD yet this year...he almost had one but got tripped up at the 4 by his own man.
As for footballhottie...she's female..100%

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 04:44 PM
Disagree on the HB analysis...Willis is the real deal....but it is nice seeing a PSU alum at RB making it in the NFL and I think we're more even on the return game than anything. I'd give us the advantage but T-Mac has yet to break one for a TD yet this year...he almost had one but got tripped up at the 4 by his own man.
As for footballhottie...she's female..100%

I'm sorry, but if he still had 96 yards to go, that's not close enough for me to count.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 04:45 PM
uh...it was 4 yards to go

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 04:50 PM
uh...it was 4 yards to go

Your entire field is only 8 yards long? That must make it tough on the punters.


Dante had one last year where he had broken loose and was running the ball into the end zone and then just dropped it on about the 20 yard line. No one in front of him, foot racing to the end zone, and he dropped the ball.

Anyone remember which game that was?

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 04:56 PM
Your entire field is only 8 yards long? That must make it tough on the punters.I guess your brand of humor just doesn't equate to funny in my book :hmmm:

kcfanXIII
11-08-2005, 05:09 PM
nice...
i think that wesley's 3 straight games with an int is worth noting. maay not be enough to win the posistion battle, but could be huge if he extends it to 4,.

kcfanXIII
11-08-2005, 05:11 PM
Your entire field is only 8 yards long? That must make it tough on the punters.


Dante had one last year where he had broken loose and was running the ball into the end zone and then just dropped it on about the 20 yard line. No one in front of him, foot racing to the end zone, and he dropped the ball.

Anyone remember which game that was?
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! yes i remember, that was the only game i got to go to last year, fVkin sandiego

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:13 PM
I guess your brand of humor just doesn't equate to funny in my book :hmmm:

Tough crowd tonight.

I'm thinking about flying to Buffalo for the game on Sunday. Boy, will my arms be tired.

kcfanXIII
11-08-2005, 05:15 PM
Tough crowd tonight.

I'm thinking about flying to Buffalo for the game on Sunday. Boy, will my arms be tired.

no respect i tell ya
no respect

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:17 PM
no respect i tell ya
no respect


The only way I can get the dog to play with me at Chiefs games is to hang a $9 hot dog around my neck.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 05:21 PM
Tough crowd tonight.

I'm thinking about flying to Buffalo for the game on Sunday. Boy, will my arms be tired.
In truth, it's been a tough season for us...expecting we were going to be working with a rookie QB who was going to improve as the season goes along and instead have him benched and settle for mediocre play for the season and have to go through the same mess next year

kcfanXIII
11-08-2005, 05:23 PM
In truth, it's been a tough season for us...expecting we were going to be working with a rookie QB who was going to improve as the season goes along and instead have him benched and settle for mediocre play for the season and have to go through the same mess next year
being from kc, we feel your pain, i'm also a royals fan

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:25 PM
I can understand that, Philster. Did Losman look permanently bad, or was he just bad due to premature starting? I haven't seen a Bills game this year.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 05:27 PM
His biggest problems were
1...holding onto the ball too long...something I think he picked up from watching Drew last year (the positive from benching him and having him watch Holcomb is that he'll watch Holcomb make quicker decisions than Drew did)
2...terrible timing with his WRs...which I really have to wonder about since he spent all offseason here

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:30 PM
While you're here, what's the deal with Mike Williams moving to guard? Was he having trouble at RT, or was the LG position in trouble?

I didn't remember that the Bills had drafted Jason Peters, and certainly didn't know that they had moved him to tackle. I kind of liked him in the draft.

Hydrae
11-08-2005, 05:36 PM
I added a nice Monet print to the middle now, too. I think it adds some visual appeal.


I took that as the bridge between the offense and the defense.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 05:37 PM
When Mike Williams has been healthy, he's actually been improving. He started out being merely adequate but he's gotten a lot better lately...when healthy.
LG is a weakness..we picked up Bennie Anderson in the offseason thinking he'd be a force after blocking for Jamal Lewis in Baltimore but his biggest contribution in Buffalo has been penalties. He's penalized more than Ruben Brown was during his tenure here ROFL
As for Peters, he came in as an UDFA...he's split time between TE and T...he even was wearing #86 a few weeks back so he didn't have to keep declaring as eligible. I remember his weakness was his blocking and his pass catching abilities were very good...he moves incredibly fast for his size...he's really improved on his blocking enough that the team feels comfortable with him at RT

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:45 PM
Wow, I'm surprised that Peters wasn't drafted. I knew that there was no real chance of the Chiefs taking a tight end, but I still thought he was athletic enough to find a spot on the field.

The_Philster
11-08-2005, 05:47 PM
I was surprised as well...most of our draftniks had him going in the middle rounds

4th and Long
11-08-2005, 05:48 PM
I can't stop staring at Claude Monet's, Water Lilly Pond painting.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 05:53 PM
I think it really adds a touch of class to the thread. I might start doing that with all of my threads.

4th and Long
11-08-2005, 05:56 PM
I think it really adds a touch of class to the thread. I might start doing that with all of my threads.
That would be great. Just don't confine yourself to Monet. I expect to see some Rembrandt, perhaps some Picasso or hey, even some Dali. I wonder if Dali ever did a painting of melting footballs?

Weezer
11-08-2005, 06:50 PM
Make McGahee and Johnson even, and McGee and Hall even and I agree.

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 06:53 PM
That would be great. Just don't confine yourself to Monet. I expect to see some Rembrandt, perhaps some Picasso or hey, even some Dali. I wonder if Dali ever did a painting of melting footballs?


Here's a nice one from the Louvre. It's called, "Carolina Panthers Cheerleaders in the Middle Ages."

Rain Man
11-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Make McGahee and Johnson even, and McGee and Hall even and I agree.

I haven't seen enough of McGahee to disagree. I'm impressed by McGee's stats, but I'd want to see him keep it up before I give him equal billing with Dante. I agree that those are some strengths of the Bills, though.

CosmicPal
11-08-2005, 06:56 PM
Here's a nice one from the Louvre. It's called, "Carolina Panthers Cheerleaders in the Middle Ages."

Shouldn't they be smiling?

Skip Towne
11-08-2005, 07:11 PM
I can understand that, Philster. Did Losman look permanently bad, or was he just bad due to premature starting? I haven't seen a Bills game this year.
Nobody has seen a Bills game this year. They are loosers.

Gaz
11-09-2005, 07:19 AM
Our Offense is strongest where the Bills are weakest.

Our Defense is strongest where the Bills are strongest.

A pleasantly advantageous confluence of events.

xoxo~
Gaz
Cautiously optimistic.

Douche Baggins
11-09-2005, 07:23 AM
Strongest is a funny word. Say it over and over again.

Strongest strongest strongest strongest strongest.

Gaz
11-09-2005, 07:32 AM
The word might be more familiar to you if you append the word “odor.”

xoxo~
Gaz
Just trying to help.

StcChief
11-09-2005, 08:05 AM
Gaz is right....

The team's strengths and weakness play to our advantage.