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mac58
11-09-2005, 02:46 PM
coming up next i think 5:00 eastern time

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 02:47 PM
The Hot List is on now

Are they going to break in?

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 02:48 PM
blow by blow? Someone? Anyone? Buller? Buller?

chiefqueen
11-09-2005, 02:48 PM
I need a live thread, I'm still waiting on the fricken cable guy.

ferrarispider95
11-09-2005, 02:49 PM
is ESPN news different then ESPN or ESPN2???

Rome is burning in on on ESPN and tennis on ESPN2

htismaqe
11-09-2005, 02:49 PM
ESPN News is different than ESPN or ESPN2. Separate channel.

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 02:50 PM
207 on DTV

ferrarispider95
11-09-2005, 02:50 PM
ESPN News is different than ESPN or ESPN2. Separate channel.

F*ck, I guess I will go to car to listen to radio

chiefqueen
11-09-2005, 02:51 PM
is ESPN news different then ESPN or ESPN2???

Rome is burning in on on ESPN and tennis on ESPN2

If you don't know the difference, you don't have it.

mac58
11-09-2005, 02:51 PM
yeah its on ESPN news there doing the hot list now but if u look in the corner of screen it says . ...DV press conference next so im guessing like 10 20 minutes

ferrarispider95
11-09-2005, 02:52 PM
i wonder if it will be on kcchiefs.com

mac58
11-09-2005, 03:01 PM
starting after this comercial.

Coach
11-09-2005, 03:01 PM
Keep us updated please.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:02 PM
CP already blasting the media

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:02 PM
No permenant damage by all of the doctors and no surgery required

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:03 PM
Will be re-evaluated in 30 days

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:03 PM
Carl P speaking now.

Priest is hurt. Noone should doubt Priest's resiliency.
Doc Brown gave statement "no perm damage to neck or head, no surgical proceedure needed blah blah blah, but feel head and neck contact should be avoided. Priest should be re-evaluated in 30 days.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:04 PM
Priest is expected to be here, and will mentor LJ.

**damn boss keeps coming in and trying to talk....net connection blinking in/out

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 03:05 PM
Carl looks like he hasn't slept.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:05 PM
CP expects Priest to be back next season.

Not one word to CP about retiring

sedated
11-09-2005, 03:05 PM
The devil never sleeps

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:05 PM
Priest is disappointed that he can't have contact for at least 30 days, understands it puts Team in jeopardy.

"Do you expect Priest to be back next season"
"Yes I do"

"has priest said anything about retiring"
"Not 1 word, I have no knowledge whatsoever that he has contemplated that at all"

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:06 PM
According to the doctors he can come back 100%.

Good news.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:06 PM
Question - if 30 days was the evaluation period, then why did they put him on IR?

Just wondering.

sedated
11-09-2005, 03:06 PM
... but he'll be 33

siberian khatru
11-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Priest is disappointed that he can't have contact for at least 30 days, understands it puts Team in jeopardy.

"Do you expect Priest to be back next season"
"Yes I do"

"has priest said anything about retiring"
"Not 1 word, I have no knowledge whatsoever that he has contemplated that at all"

It's a sad day when Jack Harry knows more about the Chiefs than the team president himself.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:07 PM
He has had symptoms prior to the San Diego game

Coach
11-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Question - if 30 days was the evaluation period, then why did they put him on IR?

Just wondering.

My best guess is that the Chiefs don't want to jeporidze Priest's career.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Not due to hit in Sandy eggo.
Priest has not felt right since camp....

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:08 PM
Team is very short at the RB position....30 days and maybe longer puts the team in a pickle.

Vermiel on now

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:08 PM
Thought about letting Priest come back after 30 days but they are very short on RB.

Doctors never said anything about paralysis.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:09 PM
vermiel didn't get any of the thourough evaluation until today.
talked to Priest's dad today, injury described to him as a Bruise on the spine

No substitute for a fine fb player like holmes.
Johnson will be fine.
Dee Brown Brought in today.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:10 PM
Dee Brown signed and practicing today

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:10 PM
DV rips Jack Harry

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:11 PM
First he heard of it was when "liz" called him last night.
Takes shot at Harry.

Dick said he didn't know about this in TC, like Carl says.

Says he was aware Priest was having "burners"

Chiefs Pantalones
11-09-2005, 03:11 PM
I bet LJ is happy now. I'm sure he was concerned about Priest and his well-being, but I'm sure he's as giddy as a school boy. He's the starter now.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
wasn't a true "concussion". Different symptoms, so they sent him for the best medical evaluations they could get.

Losing a good fb player and big part of team.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Will be re-evaluated in 30 days

Very fishy. 30 days and reevaluate? BS. They kept Sims on the roster this whole season. They kept Barber on the roster this whole season. But they don't carry Priest. Come on.....Don't piss on my boots and tell me its raining.

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Media pissed off Priest with all the lies and bullshit. :shake:

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Doctor says no permanent head or neck damage but feels contact should be avoided for a month or longer as a precaution. Had "burners", before the san diego game, got a mild concussion from merriman hit in that game. IR wasn't a necessity but they are short at the RB position and this allows them a roster spot to bring
in more depth. Carl says he expects him to be back
next season. Says Priest never said a word about
retiring. Doctors never said paralysis was a
possibility.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
"the Media's lies shook him up...Priest is very, very upset, and thats why he's not here now"

siberian khatru
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
Takes shot at Harry.


You mean, like, literally? With a gun? :grovel:

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:12 PM
DV said that Priest's Dad told him that Priest is very upset about all of the BS speculation.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:13 PM
Vermeil calls reports on television "BS", "lies"

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:14 PM
LJ knows he has alot of responsibility. He is ready to carry the load. Trich practicing halfback too, until they get Dee Brown ready.

Brought RBs in yesterday.....Vermiel Considered moving Smith up.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:14 PM
Very fishy. 30 days and reevaluate? BS. They kept Sims on the roster this whole season. They kept Barber on the roster this whole season. But they don't carry Priest. Come on.....Don't piss on my boots and tell me its raining.

Sorry BRC but all the sources were completely uterrly wrong.

They should be embarrassed of themselves.

Harry should be fired immediately.

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 03:16 PM
Dee Brown signed

Practiced

Will be active.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:16 PM
Priest is very very upset about the BS rumors.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:16 PM
You mean, like, literally? With a gun? :grovel:

He specifically called the retirement/paralysis reports on TV yesterday BS. Doesn't get more equivocal than that.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:17 PM
Sorry BRC but all the sources were completely uterrly wrong.

They should be embarrassed of themselves.

Harry should be fired immediately.

There's no way to spin it. The sources said retirement, it sounds like IR wasn't even a necessity and he possibily could have played late this year.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 03:19 PM
There's no way to spin it. The sources said retirement, it sounds like IR wasn't even a necessity and he possibily could have played late this year.

Yeah we will see how this plays out. Talk to me and tell me my source was wrong when Priest suits up next year.

tk13
11-09-2005, 03:19 PM
It does suck that the NFL doesn't have a disabled list like baseball so that we could've put Priest on it... and if he just happened to be ready to go before the end of the year, we could activate him.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:22 PM
Per Vermeil: (paraphrasing)

Priest was/is upset about all the hoopla right now. DV heard this from his father but hasn't talked to Holmes today.

Priest hadn't even talked to all the doctors last night when the stories began being reported. All of a sudden people have him with tumors on his spine and he was really upset about it.

Confident with LJ. Won 4 in a row last year with him. Knew within a few practices what the team had with LJ but didn't know when he would be ready.

Surtain and McCleon practiced today. Barber started working out.

Roaf did not work out - very doubtful for this week. Vermeil said he believes he will be ready next week.

Barber looked good, 'all his movement skills were there', 3 weeks to evaluate. Didn't do a lot but got started.

The Rick
11-09-2005, 03:22 PM
Yeah we will see how this plays out. Talk to me and tell me my source was wrong when Priest suits up next year.
I'm expecting KCTitus to archive this and if Priest suits up next year, it will reappear.

WilliamTheIrish
11-09-2005, 03:23 PM
Roaf doubtful?

[Trent Green shudders]

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:24 PM
Yeah we will see how this plays out. Talk to me and tell me my source was wrong when Priest suits up next year.

I'm just saying, clearly Jack Harry's report that he was going to retire as soon as Thursday is being shown as false. Carl said himself that he never said a word about retiring. Sounds like a false report.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 03:25 PM
I'm expecting KCTitus to archive this and if Priest suits up next year, it will reappear.
Again we never said it was true. We said we believed in our source who reported it to us. Not the info. We had no first hand knowlege. Only what we were told. And then we came on here and said we believed him before anyone else had this info besides that POS Harry.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:25 PM
Vermeil called the injury a 'spinal canal bruise', also. If anyone wants to Google that up.

htismaqe
11-09-2005, 03:26 PM
I'm with BRC on this.

This is the EXACT opposite of what they've done in the past. And that was Ryan Sims and Kris Wilson, certainly NOT a player of Priest's caliber.

Something is fishy.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:28 PM
certainly NOT a player of Priest's caliber.


I think that answers your question.

Priest is pissed at the shitty ass local media reporting lies.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:29 PM
I'm with BRC on this.

This is the EXACT opposite of what they've done in the past. And that was Ryan Sims and Kris Wilson, certainly NOT a player of Priest's caliber.

Something is fishy.

Vermeil was asked and said that since they only had 3 running backs on the roster now they wanted the extra spot. Said that Dee Brown would have made the team out of camp but that they couldn't carry that many backs, and now they needed the roster spot with some other guys already hurting who couldn't be active.

So that is the official line anyway...

Katie
11-09-2005, 03:29 PM
O.K. I think we have now officially reached our injury quota for the year...I hope this is the end of it! Get well Priest!

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:31 PM
Priest is pissed at the shitty ass local media reporting lies.

Vermeil alluded to this several times. Made it sound like Priest was seriously pissed and left town to get away from it.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:33 PM
Vermeil alluded to this several times. Made it sound like Priest was seriously pissed and left town to get away from it.

Wouldn't you? The guy has always been underestimated about recovering from his injuries and I am sure he is tired of hearing it.

htismaqe
11-09-2005, 03:33 PM
I think that answers your question.

Priest is pissed at the shitty ass local media reporting lies.

What?

They kept guys on the roster that have basically contributed NOTHING in the HOPE that they can come back and play, but they immediately send the BEST PLAYER WE'VE HAD IN TEN YEARS to IR, even BEFORE his evaluation is finished?

I'm sorry, but that makes NO sense whatsoever.

sedated
11-09-2005, 03:33 PM
Said that Dee Brown would have made the team out of camp but that they couldn't carry that many backs.

That's the corporate line.

They said the same about Gado, then cut him.

sedated
11-09-2005, 03:34 PM
The guy has always been underestimated about recovering from his injuries and I am sure he is tired of hearing it.

He uses that for motivation.

We should be happy, and proud.

penguinz
11-09-2005, 03:34 PM
Vermeil alluded to this several times. Made it sound like Priest was seriously pissed and left town to get away from it.
If Priest and the Chiefs did not try to hide everything then it would not get blown out of proportion.

Iowanian
11-09-2005, 03:34 PM
yeah....who needs 3rbs when you can save a spot for a real contributor like Svitek

htismaqe
11-09-2005, 03:37 PM
yeah....who needs 3rbs when you can save a spot for a real contributor like Svitek

Exactly.

dirk digler
11-09-2005, 03:39 PM
What?

They kept guys on the roster that have basically contributed NOTHING in the HOPE that they can come back and play, but they immediately send the BEST PLAYER WE'VE HAD IN TEN YEARS to IR, even BEFORE his evaluation is finished?

I'm sorry, but that makes NO sense whatsoever.

I think missing 4 games at least or longer was the determining factor.

If this was the beginning of the season I would agree with you.

Bob Dole
11-09-2005, 03:40 PM
Did Dick mention that Jack Harry is a hack?

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:41 PM
Hey don't shoot the messenger. Sounds kooky to me too. I was just reporting what was on the radio for anyone who couldn't hear the broadcast.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 03:41 PM
Did Dick mention that Jack Harry is a hack?

Carl said that Jack Harry is overrated.

Tuckdaddy
11-09-2005, 03:43 PM
I think Priest should hang it up next season. I would not let go of LJ or keep him on the bench. Priest can be the back up if he's willing.

Tuckdaddy
11-09-2005, 03:44 PM
I think Priest should hang it up next season. I would not let go of LJ or keep him on the bench. Priest can be the back up if he's willing.

sedated
11-09-2005, 03:45 PM
Did Dick mention that Jack Harry is a hack?

Dick's thugs are on their way to Jack's place right now...

(Knock, knock)
Jack: Whose there?
Burly Voice: Goons
Jack: Who?
Burly Voice: Hired Goons

Big Chief Homer
11-09-2005, 03:52 PM
this sucks,I hope he gets well,but better to retire then,not be able to move in 3 years.

I hope he comes back next year,but if he does it should be as the back up.

Like the others said somethings fishy,they could have kept him on the roster and cut someone else.If hes out for a month or 6 weeks like they said.Its just in time for the playoffs.You cant tell me they hang onto guys like wilson, barber and simms for a year and have no room for Priest. I call BS

Rausch
11-09-2005, 03:53 PM
Yeah we will see how this plays out. Talk to me and tell me my source was wrong when Priest suits up next year.

Even good sources give bad info every now and again.

He heard an early rumor, which ended up being wrong, when all the tests hadn't been run yet.

Mr. Laz
11-09-2005, 03:56 PM
even now he couldn't resist taking a shot at the media and blaming them for something.

Thig Lyfe
11-09-2005, 04:00 PM
so Priest is on IR?


Shite.

Skip Towne
11-09-2005, 04:16 PM
Priest sounds pretty damned retired to me. Our new coach won't start him over LJ. Harry wasn't that far off.

MadMax
11-09-2005, 04:36 PM
Priest sounds pretty damned retired to me. Our new coach won't start him over LJ. Harry wasn't that far off.

Here here, now don't start that Larrybation nonsense again.. :p

Frankie
11-09-2005, 05:05 PM
O.K. I think we have now officially reached our injury quota for the year...I hope this is the end of it! Get well Priest!

My only problem with this bit of optimimism is when we, despite all the adversity, win the SuperBowl this year Priest will miss out on his chance at the big dance.

siberian khatru
11-09-2005, 05:40 PM
Carl said that Jack Harry is overrated.

Jack Harry lost his second-level burst.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 06:32 PM
.....Priest is pissed at the shitty ass local media reporting lies.

I'm goin' with Parker and BRC; WTF would Priest be so pissed? This kinda thing happens with the media all the friggin' time....he's been in the league 9 years, and...what, you don't expect this kinda crap? Combine that with what the organization did with Wilson, Sims, and others in the past....this makes no sense.

Somethin' is fishy as hell.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 06:34 PM
Vermeil alluded to this several times. Made it sound like Priest was seriously pissed and left town to get away from it.

I call BS on Vermiel....WTF would Priest be so pissed about? Don't tell me you don't come to expect this sort of stuff after nine years in the league. Seriously.

If I was Priest, I'd be pissed about the injury; but I'd be laughin' my ass off at the BS speculation by media morons.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 06:36 PM
Wouldn't you? The guy has always been underestimated about recovering from his injuries and I am sure he is tired of hearing it.

So tired that I'd be laughin' at their sorry asses.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 06:37 PM
If Priest and the Chiefs did not try to hide everything then it would not get blown out of proportion.

BINGO!

DaKCMan AP
11-09-2005, 07:09 PM
invest in stadium nacho retailers for the remainder of the season

Pants
11-09-2005, 07:15 PM
Priest is done, IMO. :(

milkman
11-09-2005, 07:39 PM
I'm with BRC on this.

This is the EXACT opposite of what they've done in the past. And that was Ryan Sims and Kris Wilson, certainly NOT a player of Priest's caliber.

Something is fishy.

This is just speculation on my part, that even I don't believe, but I'm gonna lob it out there, anyway.

It's possible that because it's a spinal cord injury, even if the Docs say he's ok to go in 30 days, the Chiefs didn't want to risk a chance that the Docs missed something, and have him sustain an injury that would impair him in life.

So, rather than risk the temptation of activating him and using him if something should happen to LJ, they put him on IR.

If he's still healthy after the season, then they feel he'll be ready to give it another season next year.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 07:44 PM
...So, rather than risk the temptation of activating him and using him if something should happen to LJ, they put him on IR.

If he's still healthy after the season, then they feel he'll be ready to give it another season next year.

I'd like to think that NFL execs would think this way, but I'm skeptical.

As for next season, if he comes back I'd envision a Marcus Allen type last year for him.....mainly back-up though, and goal-line situations. I can't imagine him coming back next year as full-time starter, after 3 of the last 4 years ending like this.

It may come down to Priest deciding whether coming back for that is worth it or not....I'm on the "if he can reach a reasonable injury settlement, then he's done" side.

Mr. Laz
11-09-2005, 07:46 PM
This is just speculation on my part, that even I don't believe, but I'm gonna lob it out there, anyway.

It's possible that because it's a spinal cord injury, even if the Docs say he's ok to go in 30 days, the Chiefs didn't want to risk a chance that the Docs missed something, and have him sustain an injury that would impair him in life.

So, rather than risk the temptation of activating him and using him if something should happen to LJ, they put him on IR.

If he's still healthy after the season, then they feel he'll be ready to give it another season next year.
right idea... but i think it's more likely that it's priest that doesn't wanna take the chance.

Logical
11-09-2005, 08:41 PM
If Priest and the Chiefs did not try to hide everything then it would not get blown out of proportion.:clap: Exactly

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 08:45 PM
I really don't know why Priest would stick around. It's obvious the Chiefs aren't going anywhere next season.

stevieray
11-09-2005, 09:09 PM
BINGO!

please. be real. everything sports related is overblown. as much as Priest has done for this team, he hasn't recieved the due respect he deserves, he's just another reason to act like jackyls' at feeding time.

breaking the story before you even give someone the benefit of the doubt to tell you is selfish. let's not pretend that finding out about Priest before the team and he were willing to tell us is some kind of betrayal.

Our biggest star player didn't even get to tell us anything about the situation or his future, because the team was forced to hold a press conference ONLY because the media used Priest's injury as a reason to promote themselves.

chiefsfan1963
11-09-2005, 09:10 PM
We should thank our lucky charms that we have LJ. It's amazing how everyone was in denial about Priest and his decline production wise and dissing LJ. Without LJ this team would have no chance to make the playoffs this year! Appreciate LJ every day you wake up!!!!!! This guy has taken enough criticism from fans. It's time to let go the past and welcome the future. Thanks Priest for everything, hope you get better and even come back, but you will no longer be our #1.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:15 PM
please. be real. everything sports related is overblown. as much as Priest has done for this team, he hasn't recieved the due respect he deserves, he's just another reason to act like jackyls' at feeding time.

breaking the story before you even give someone the benefit of the doubt to tell you is selfish. let's not pretend that finding out about Priest before the team and he were willing to tell us is some kind of betrayal.

Our biggest star player didn't even get to tell us anything about the situation or his future, because the team was forced to hold a press conference ONLY because the media used Priest's injury as a reason to promote themselves.

Stevie, I appreciate your loyalty to the team and organization. However, when it comes to injuries and information on players, and being honest and forthright with fans and the public, this front office deserves the derision it gets. They are more secretive than the friggin' Pentagon.

As for Priest, I agree he deserves the utmost respect and the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean fans and the media won't speculate when no one is telling them what the heck is going on. They could have prevented all of this by being more straightforward and forthcoming about the situation. I think it's petty and naive for them to think otherwise.

stevieray
11-09-2005, 09:16 PM
Stevie, I appreciate your loyalty to the team and organization. However, when it comes to injuries and information on players, and being honest and forthright with fans and the public, this front office deserves the derision it gets. They are more secretive than the friggin' Pentagon.

As for Priest, I agree he deserves the utmost respect and the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean fans and the media won't speculate when no one is telling what the heck is going on. They could have prevented all of this by being more straightforward and forthcoming about the situation. I think it's petty and naive for them to think otherwise.

Prevented what?

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:19 PM
Prevented what?

All the speculation and the media feeding frenzy--and whatever the heck Priest is ticked off about, if that's to be believed. If Priest is really ticked off, he's not as bright as I thought he was. For DV to say Priest is "upset" is plain stupid; mostly because I don't want to believe that. I want to believe Priest is brighter than that.

stevieray
11-09-2005, 09:30 PM
[QUOTE=Mr. Kotter]All the speculation and the media feeding frenzy--QUOTE]


So Priest and the Chiefs are responsible for the media's behavior.

I thought you were brighter than that.

CoMoChief
11-09-2005, 09:39 PM
:clap: Exactly


Nobody's hiding anything from the whole Philly Eagles and TO incident and look how that turned out with the media. The media just adds fuel to any fire in professional sports. No matter who's in the right or wrong about an issue (for the most part at least).

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=Mr. Kotter]All the speculation and the media feeding frenzy--QUOTE]


So Priest and the Chiefs are responsible for the media's behavior.

I thought you were brighter than that.

Come on, Stevie....you know better. I'm not saying they are necessarily responsible, but what did you expect the media to do?

If the Chiefs won't give them information and some reasonable explanation, the nature of the beast is that they will create news. Players and the front office know it....it's the nature of the business.

I'm not saying it's right; but you gotta face facts, and they choose to play dumb IMO.

philfree
11-09-2005, 09:43 PM
I'm goin' with Parker and BRC; WTF would Priest be so pissed? This kinda thing happens with the media all the friggin' time....he's been in the league 9 years, and...what, you don't expect this kinda crap? Combine that with what the organization did with Wilson, Sims, and others in the past....this makes no sense.

Somethin' is fishy as hell.

It makes all kind of sense. A knee or foot injury is totally different then a spin injury. I bet the Chiefs didn't IR Holmes without his imput. I'm pretty sure this is the type of injury that needs to be evaluated over time and the consequences of returning prematurely could be much greater then they would be if it were a knee or ankle. If Holmes gets a clean bill of health in sixty days IMO he'll play his 10th season. If not then he may well retire. I bet if he dopes retire it won't happen till after June 1st 2006. That's just my opinion and I have been wrong at least once in my life so........


PhilFree:arrow:

stevieray
11-09-2005, 09:46 PM
Come on, Stevie....you know better. I'm not saying they are necessarily responsible, but what did you expect the media to do?

If the Chiefs won't give them information and some reasonable explanation, the nature of the beast is that they will create news. Players and the front office know it....it's the nature of the business.

I'm not saying it's right; but you gotta face facts, and they choose to play dumb IMO.

I just don't get what the party foul is. It's not like we weren't going to hear it from Priest or the team.

milkman
11-09-2005, 09:46 PM
It makes all kind of sense. A knee or foot injury is totally different then a spin injury. I bet the Chiefs didn't IR Holmes without his imput. I'm pretty sure this is the type of injury that needs to be evaluated over time and the consequences of returning prematurely could be much greater then they would be if it were a knee or ankle. If Holmes gets a clean bill of health in sixty days IMO he'll play his 10th season. If not then he may well retire. I bet if he dopes retire it won't happen till after June 1st 2006. That's just my opinion and I have been wrong at least once in my life so........


PhilFree:arrow:

OK, there's Freudian slip. if I ever saw one.

philfree
11-09-2005, 09:47 PM
Come on, Stevie....you know better. I'm not saying they are necessarily responsible, but what did you expect the media to do?

If the Chiefs won't give them information and some reasonable explanation, the nature of the beast is that they will create news. Players and the front office know it....it's the nature of the business.

I'm not saying it's right; but you gotta face facts, and they choose to play dumb IMO.

Perhaps they didn't know 100% so they were just honest? If I was him and they reported I had a tumor on my spine I'd be pissed. The fact is they can't wait for the facts so they make up lies.


PhilFree:arrow:

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:47 PM
It makes all kind of sense. A knee or foot injury is totally different then a spin injury. I bet the Chiefs didn't IR Holmes without his imput. I'm pretty sure this is the type of injury that needs to be evaluated over time and the consequences of returning prematurely could be much greater then they would be if it were a knee or ankle. If Holmes gets a clean bill of health in sixty days IMO he'll play his 10th season. If not then he may well retire. I bet if he dopes retire it won't happen till after June 1st 2006. That's just my opinion and I have been wrong at least once in my life so........


PhilFree:arrow:

I can agree with your scenario....but why aren't they TELLING us that then? That's one of the things that makes the whole thing fishy.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:50 PM
Perhaps they didn't know 100% so they were just honest? If I was him and they reported I had a tumor on my spine I'd be pissed. The fact is they can't wait for the facts so they make up lies.


PhilFree:arrow:


"Making up lies" is unfortunately SOP in journalistic circles these days....everyone seems to know it, except the Chief's front office and Priest, I guess. Those folks need to wake-up, and learn to deal with the reality of slimey, ratings driven media. If they did, they'd avoid this kind of crap altogether.

How much more effective would it have been to just shake their head, and laugh the BS rumors off--rather than becoming indignant about it? JMHO

tk13
11-09-2005, 09:52 PM
Stevie, I appreciate your loyalty to the team and organization. However, when it comes to injuries and information on players, and being honest and forthright with fans and the public, this front office deserves the derision it gets. They are more secretive than the friggin' Pentagon.

As for Priest, I agree he deserves the utmost respect and the benefit of the doubt. That doesn't mean fans and the media won't speculate when no one is telling them what the heck is going on. They could have prevented all of this by being more straightforward and forthcoming about the situation. I think it's petty and naive for them to think otherwise.
Screw that, I hope they lie through their teeth. That's the absolute dumbest thing about this board, the fans act like they deserve to know everything when and if it happens. Screw that crap, I want it to be like the Pentagon, I don't want the Bills to know who's healthy and who's going to be playing when. Now I don't think they should get upset when people speculate, they should just let it bounce off them, although I can kinda understand Priest not being happy. I'm not sure how creating a rumor that the guy's career is over is really acceptable under any circumstances. That's basically saying "Well it's not okay if the front office is careful about releasing important information, but I can make anything up I want and it's okay because Carl Peterson wasn't on the phone with me 15 minutes after finding out what's going on."

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:53 PM
.... It's not like we weren't going to hear it from Priest or the team.

Why not? Most other NFL teams I've seen/heard/read about are much more forthcoming about this kind of "news"....with the Chiefs, it's like pulling friggin' wisdom teeth or something. And it's gotten worse, rather than better...

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:54 PM
Screw that, I hope they lie through their teeth. That's the absolute dumbest thing about this board, the fans act like they deserve to know everything when and if it happens. Screw that crap, I want it to be like the Pentagon, I don't want the Bills to know who's healthy and who's going to be playing when. Now I don't think they should get upset when people speculate, they should just let it bounce off them, although I can kinda understand Priest not being happy. I'm not sure how creating a rumor that the guy's career is over is really acceptable under any circumstances. That's basically saying "Well it's not okay if the front office is careful about releasing important information, but I can make anything up I want and it's okay because Carl Peterson wasn't on the phone with me 15 minutes after finding out what's going on."

Fine. Then just don't whine like a stinkin' mule when the press and fans start speculation and rumor-mongering....it's the trade-off you are opting for, IMHO.

tk13
11-09-2005, 09:59 PM
Fine. Then just don't whine like a stinkin' mule when the press and fans start speculation and rumor-mongering....it's the trade-off you are opting for, IMHO.
I don't think I've ever whined about rumor-mongering. I've said I'd be patient and see if rumors are true because there are so many of them anymore, but I haven't complained about it.

That said, I fail to see the logical leap in saying that the two are a mutually exclusive "trade-off". I'm not seeing how one is justified if you don't get the other.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 10:01 PM
I don't think I've ever whined about rumor-mongering. I've said I'd be patient and see if rumors are true because there are so many of them anymore, but I haven't complained about it.

That said, I fail to see the logical leap in saying that the two are a mutually exclusive "trade-off". I'm not seeing how one is justified if you don't get the other.

Sorry dude, I didn't mean "you" per se....I meant people, generally. I think the Chiefs, and even Priest getting upset about a sensationalistic press is just plain silly.

FTR, I don't think the two reactions are mutually exclusive. I just don't think is at all surprising, nor should it be to anyone.

philfree
11-09-2005, 10:18 PM
I can agree with your scenario....but why aren't they TELLING us that then? That's one of the things that makes the whole thing fishy.

They told us what they knew as facts IMO. Some times the facts don't come as fast us fans would like but from everything I've read I can't see where they've stonewalled anyone. They can't tell what they don't know. What would they have to gain by withholding the truth from the fans? Not a damn thing in this situation. Hell it's only been two weeks and this is a touchy kind of injury........

PhilFree:arrow:

philfree
11-09-2005, 10:27 PM
The tumor on the spine thing was really bad IMO. Having an injury is alot different then having a tumor. The word tumor carries conotations of cancer with it and that scares the hell out people. If you were the mother of Holmes or a loved one and you heard that about a person you love your heart would skip some beats.

PhilFree:arrow:

Logical
11-09-2005, 10:45 PM
I just don't get what the party foul is. It's not like we weren't going to hear it from Priest or the team.

JMO but it all stems back to when Priest missed the two games back in 2002 and it was supposed to be nothing at all. Then it lingered to the point the Chiefs drafted LJ and they were never straightforward about it all the way up to camp. The Chiefs started building the distrust then and continued it last season by stringing everyone along about his injury status. Had the Chiefs been more straightforward in the past then this time would possibly have been different. I cannot blame the media for digging for the real story.

philfree
11-09-2005, 11:04 PM
JMO but it all stems back to when Priest missed the two games back in 2002 and it was supposed to be nothing at all. Then it lingered to the point the Chiefs drafted LJ and they were never straightforward about it all the way up to camp. The Chiefs started building the distrust then and continued it last season by stringing everyone along about his injury status. Had the Chiefs been more straightforward in the past then this time would possibly have been different. I cannot blame the media for digging for the real story.


If you remember they didn't find that Priest needed surgery till his recovery was slowed because he was still feeling pain. Again just another situation where the Chiefs just relayed the facts they had at that point in time. That's never good enough though. As far as the media digging for the real story it's pretty obvious that no digging was invloved at all. Just shoveling shit is what it really was.


PhilFree:arrow:

Pants
11-09-2005, 11:13 PM
Kotter, how can Priest tell us that he's retiring if he, himself, isn't even sure yet?

I'd be pissed if I were him as well.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:20 PM
Kotter, how can Priest tell us that he's retiring if he, himself, isn't even sure yet?

I'd be pissed if I were him as well.

Why get pissed? It's the way the media operates.

How about comin' before the cameras and saying, "Hey, guys....we are having this thing checked out thorughly. These rumors about tumors, about me retiring....are total bull. [dismissive laughter, and shaking of his head] You know how these folks in the press are: gotta have a story. I'll let you guys know the deal when I find out the deal. Be patient, ya 'all."

Handling it something like that, would have prevented a lot of the speculation and rumors, IMO.

Rausch
11-09-2005, 11:22 PM
Handling it something like that, would have prevented a lot of the speculation and rumors, IMO.

You studied psychology, you know better than that...

Pants
11-09-2005, 11:24 PM
Why get pissed? It's the way the media operates.

How about comin' before the cameras and saying, "Hey, guys....we are having this thing checked out thorughly. These rumors about tumors, about me retiring....are total bull. [dismissive laughter, and shaking of his head] You know how these folks in the press are: gotta have a story. I'll let you guys know the deal when I find out the deal. Be patient, ya 'all."

Handling it something like that, would have prevented a lot of the speculation and rumors, IMO.

No shit that's how the media IS. Our point it that it's wrong. Just because something is the way it is, doesn't make it right.

I'm pretty sure he was a little bit more concerned flying from coast to coast trying to get some professional opinions seeing that there might have been a risk of a much more serious injury. Priest's job is to play the game and make fans happy, not inform fans to keep them happy...

stevieray
11-09-2005, 11:26 PM
Why get pissed? It's the way the media operates.

How about comin' before the cameras and saying, "Hey, guys....we are having this thing checked out thorughly. These rumors about tumors, about me retiring....are total bull. [dismissive laughter, and shaking of his head] You know how these folks in the press are: gotta have a story. I'll let you guys know the deal when I find out the deal. Be patient, ya 'all."

Handling it something like that, would have prevented a lot of the speculation and rumors, IMO.


Noone gave him the chance, the media did it FOR him.

by all means keep defending their right to keep you having something to call subpar.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Noone gave him the chance, the media did it FOR him.

by all means keep defending their right to keep you having something to call subpar.

What prevented them from doing something like I suggested?

Is your position is DV, Priest, and the Chief's could NOT have been more forthcoming and straightforward, in a public way, about this whole episode?

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:49 PM
No shit that's how the media IS. Our point it that it's wrong. Just because something is the way it is, doesn't make it right.

I'm pretty sure he was a little bit more concerned flying from coast to coast trying to get some professional opinions seeing that there might have been a risk of a much more serious injury. Priest's job is to play the game and make fans happy, not inform fans to keep them happy...

I don't disagree with what you, Stevie and some are saying....I'm just saying you can't cry over spilled-milk, especially when you could have prevented the spill. Life isn't fair; deal with it and move on.

Deal with reality as it is. And if you don't like it, by all means....try to change it. More power to you. You still gotta deal with the reality of the moment though.

Rausch
11-09-2005, 11:49 PM
What prevented them from doing something like I suggested?

Is your position is DV, Priest, and the Chief's could NOT have been more forthcoming and straightforward, in a public way, about this whole episode?

DV said Priest was not present because he was pissed.

So he wasn't at Arrowhead.

Did DV say who Priest was pissed at?...

philfree
11-09-2005, 11:51 PM
So, your position is DV, Priest, and the Chief's could NOT have been more forthcoming and straightforward, in a public way, about this whole episode?

I don't think it was determined until now what the facts really were so in reality they were as straight forward as they could be. For the life of me I can't understand WTF more people could want in this situation. It's not like it's been drug our for months. Gawd Dayum............fuhck :shake:


PhilFree:arrow:

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:52 PM
You studied psychology, you know better than that...

Sure it would have set some rumors into motion, but fans and people who knew him.....have known him....would have been content, for a while at least.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:54 PM
DV said Priest was not present because he was pissed.

So he wasn't at Arrowhead.

Did DV say who Priest was pissed at?...

The implication was the media, and those reponsible for the rumors....as far as I could tell.

Rausch
11-09-2005, 11:55 PM
The implication was the media, and those reponsible for the rumors....as far as I could tell.

There you go.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 11:57 PM
I don't think it was determined until now what the facts really were so in reality they were as straight forward as they could be. For the life of me I can't understand WTF more people could want in this situation. It's not like it's been drug our for months. Gawd Dayum............fuhck :shake:


PhilFree:arrow:

It wasn't months, but the organization was very tight-lipped throughout the 9-10 days.....that stirred speculation. And that should surprise no one. That's all I'm really saying.

For the life of me, I don't know what the stink is about on the other side....so I guess we are even. I'm done with this though. Peace out, philfree.

Get well Priest. Go Chiefs!

tk13
11-09-2005, 11:59 PM
So we can spread rumors about how Mr. Kotter is a transvestite necrophiliac, and as long as he doesn't hold a press conference saying otherwise, it's okay!

Spread the word! :)

Mr. Kotter
11-10-2005, 12:00 AM
So we can spread rumors about how Mr. Kotter is a transvestite necrophiliac, and as long as he doesn't hold a press conference saying otherwise, it's okay!

Spread the word! :)

You forgot beastiality. :p

Rausch
11-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Sure it would have set some rumors into motion, but fans and people who knew him.....have known him....would have been content, for a while at least.


Were you ticked when you heard Priest would retire on Thursday?

Sucked, didn't it?

How did you feel when you found out his season was over, not his carrer?

Mr. Kotter
11-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Were you ticked when you heard Priest would retire on Thursday?

Sucked, didn't it?

How did you feel when you found out his season was over, not his carrer?

It sucked. Then I was glad for him, he may get another shot. Probably like with him, but magnified 1000 times over for him.....if that's what you are getting at.

I'd have still made time for a 3 or 4 minute statement with the press if I were him.

Rausch
11-10-2005, 12:08 AM
It sucked. Then I was glad for him, he may get another shot. Probably like with him, but magnified 1000 times over for him.....if that's what you are getting at.

I'd have still made time for a 3 or 4 minute statement with the press if I were him.

So, once you were resigned to the fact that horrible wouldn't happen, bad seemed kinda' good.

Didn't it?...

Mr. Kotter
11-10-2005, 12:12 AM
So, once you were resigned to the fact that horrible wouldn't happen, bad seemed kinda' good.

Didn't it?...

Yeah....

I still don't see where you are going with this. :hmmm:

philfree
11-10-2005, 12:13 AM
It wasn't months, but the organization was very tight-lipped throughout the 9-10 days.....that stirred speculation. And that should surprise no one. That's all I'm really saying.

For the life of me, I don't know what the stink is about on the other side....so I guess we are even. I'm done with this though. Peace out, philfree.

Get well Priest. Go Chiefs!

I guess they could have made something up intead of keeping their mouth closed until they knew for sure.

Peace Out to you too Mr Kotter. They ain't nothing to get even about......It's all good!

PhilFree:arrow:

Rausch
11-10-2005, 12:24 AM
Yeah....

I still don't see where you are going with this. :hmmm:

If something looks really bad look for an avenue to spread the worst possible out there.

Then, when you find out the absolute worst isn't true, you feel pretty good.

And we do feel pretty good with LJ...

Edit: what would have been considered horrible news before now becomes good news.

tk13
11-10-2005, 12:34 AM
If something looks really bad look for an avenue to spread the worst possible out there.

Then, when you find out the absolute worst isn't true, you feel pretty good.

And we do feel pretty good with LJ...

Edit: what would have been considered horrible news before now becomes good news.
What sucks is that the rollercoaster never ends. Every week it's something new. Not just little things, Priest having these serious problems. Trent's dad. Roaf's hammy, blah blah blah.

huskerdooz
11-10-2005, 01:23 AM
yeah....who needs 3rbs when you can save a spot for a real contributor like Svitek

Maybe they are trying to prevent another Ryan Lilja from occurring.

Just a thought, especially since in the very near future we will have a pretty pressing need at a couple of OL positions.

BigRedChief
11-10-2005, 07:15 AM
For the life of me, I don't know what the stink is about on the other side....so I guess we are even.

Someone famous once said..............

The only person with whom you should get even are the ones that helped you.

Frankie
11-10-2005, 07:22 AM
Someone famous once said..............

The only person with whom you should get even are the ones that helped you.Cool.

htismaqe
11-10-2005, 09:53 AM
If something looks really bad look for an avenue to spread the worst possible out there.

Then, when you find out the absolute worst isn't true, you feel pretty good.

And we do feel pretty good with LJ...

Edit: what would have been considered horrible news before now becomes good news.

Bingo.

If the team came out and said "Priest is going on IR, AGAIN" the entire fan base would have been freaked.

So, have some lackey in the organization leak a "retirement" rumor to Jack Harry and then hold a presser to say "Don't panic. He's not retiring, just going on IR"

The whole fan base lets out a collective sigh of relief.

It's precisely the type of thing Carl would do.

As for Priest being mad, PUH-LEASE. If it's NOT true, why the **** would he be mad about it? Just blow it off, it's not as if the KC media isn't a bunch of stupid hacks...