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Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:09 PM
Nick told me about Priest last Friday morning. Don't tell me Dick Vermeil didn't find out until this morning.

wolfpack0735
11-09-2005, 07:12 PM
why does this guy even write? has he even got a story right? what a waste of paper for a magazine.

Bowser
11-09-2005, 07:13 PM
What exactly did Athan predict?

Cochise
11-09-2005, 07:19 PM
He had to have been the source of the Jack Harry rumor. Given their relationship, it makes perfect sense.

Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:20 PM
What exactly did Athan predict?

Priest done for season, looking for injury settlement.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 07:24 PM
Priest done for season, looking for injury settlement.

So what was he wrong about? Where did Harry come up with the retirement angle?

I don't understand the injury settlement angle. If he just retired, he wouldn't be paid, right? So what leverage would he have in a hypothetical negotiation?

Just trying to catch up :hmmm:

Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:31 PM
"Wrong again" is sarcasm.

If a player is injured playing football and can't finish their contract they're generally entitled a settlement especially when there is language in their contract regarding the refund of signing bonus.

jspchief
11-09-2005, 07:34 PM
"Wrong again" is sarcasm.

So you're making a sarcastic comment about the frequency of Athan's incorrect information?

That would make more sense if Athan was actually right more often than wrong.

Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:38 PM
So you're making a sarcastic comment about the frequency of Athan's incorrect information?

That would make more sense if Athan was actually right more often than wrong.

I'm saying that Athan's credibility has improved. Clearly he has sources. He "scooped" the Priest story by an entire weekend but refused to take it public until the story solidified. He's tired of stories he breaks falling through, I suppose.

jspchief
11-09-2005, 07:41 PM
I'm saying that Athan's credibility has improved. Clearly he has sources. He "scooped" the Priest story by an entire weekend but refused to take it public until the story solidified. He's tired of stories he breaks falling through, I suppose.Fair enough.

He's made a hell of a bad first impression, and I'm sure I'm not the only one around here that will require some convincing.

Mr. Laz
11-09-2005, 07:43 PM
Nick told me about Priest last Friday morning. Don't tell me Dick Vermeil didn't find out until this morning.

and you didn't share :(

Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:47 PM
and you didn't share :(

I don't share information given in confidence.

Here's some info that may or may not be news.

100% coaching turnover likely this offseason.

Mr. Laz
11-09-2005, 07:48 PM
I don't share information given in confidence
you could of just logged in as Redrum and told us that way















heh heh ... yanking on phob's chain

jiveturkey
11-09-2005, 07:49 PM
100% coaching turnover likely this offseason.
It's time.

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 07:49 PM
I don't share information given in confidence.

Here's some info that may or may not be news.

100% coaching turnover likely this offseason.

Is that from Athan?

Also, 100%? I don't think there's any way they ditch Gunther after what he's started to build here defensively.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 07:49 PM
Priest done for season, looking for injury settlement.

Sum of a bitch. And you didn't share this?:cuss:

jspchief
11-09-2005, 07:51 PM
Sum of a bitch. And you didn't share this?:cuss:Heh, if he would have come in with that, claiming Athan as a source, he would have been flamed off his own BB.

Phobia
11-09-2005, 07:53 PM
I guess I didn't really want to talk about Nick as much as I wanted to talk about how FOS Dick is.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 07:55 PM
Hey when I said I had two sources it was yeah wheres your proof. If one was Warpaint..........I'd been laughed off the BB. Yeah I can see that.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 07:57 PM
I don't share information given in confidence.

Here's some info that may or may not be news.

100% coaching turnover likely this offseason.

100%

Good news.

DaneMcCloud
11-09-2005, 07:57 PM
100% coaching turnover likely this offseason

Wow! If that's true, this is going to be the most interesting offseason since 1989. Will CP stay on or does he retire (he's 65, even though he signed a contract extension)? If he does stay, I just can't see him hiring an "outsider". I fully expect him to hire someone who he has worked with before (Edwards, Capers, etc.), but I hope I'm dead wrong. CP seems a little to old to be arguing with someone he doesn't know, so I'm not sure how well this bodes for the future.

I would really hate to see the Chiefs go back to the "Play not to lose" philosophy of the Marty clones.

Dane

Mr. Laz
11-09-2005, 07:57 PM
talk about how FOS Dick is.
utterly ...


i remember starting a poll several years ago about how completely FOS vermeil was and took no end of chit for it.


what were the poll options?


... liar,douchebag or senile


something like that

jspchief
11-09-2005, 07:58 PM
I guess I didn't really want to talk about Nick as much as I wanted to talk about how FOS Dick is.Which is something I've mentioned several times today.

Dick has been lying through his teeth about this situation. Before the Raider game, he was saying he expected him to play. I think he knew that the situation was serious even then.

If Holmes is pissed about the media rumors, he can thank the Chiefs front office for blowing smoke up our asses for the last week and a half, leaving us nothing but our imaginations.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 07:58 PM
Is that from Athan?

Also, 100%? I don't think there's any way they ditch Gunther after what he's started to build here defensively.

He said "turnover".....Gunther will be the new Head Coach. ;)

Phobia
11-09-2005, 08:02 PM
100% coaching turnover likely this offseason

Wow! If that's true, this is going to be the most interesting offseason since 1989. Will CP stay on or does he retire (he's 65, even though he signed a contract extension)? If he does stay, I just can't see him hiring an "outsider". I fully expect him to hire someone who he has worked with before (Edwards, Capers, etc.), but I hope I'm dead wrong. CP seems a little to old to be arguing with someone he doesn't know, so I'm not sure how well this bodes for the future.

I would really hate to see the Chiefs go back to the "Play not to lose" philosophy of the Marty clones.

Dane

No. Carl is here until he wants to leave. Clark has assumed almost all operational control from Lamar and will keep CP on indefinitely.

stevieray
11-09-2005, 08:28 PM
this board is becoming like KC talk radio.

milkman
11-09-2005, 08:28 PM
Is that from Athan?

Also, 100%? I don't think there's any way they ditch Gunther after what he's started to build here defensively.

What exactly has he started to build here?

A sieve?

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 08:32 PM
No. Carl is here until he wants to leave. Clark has assumed almost all operational control from Lamar and will keep CP on indefinitely.

OHHH that just frigging great. :banghead: Your just full of good news tonight. :p

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 08:32 PM
If you can't see the progress we're making on defense you're blind.

Gunther needs to be retained. No continuity has killed the defense for years.

Cochise
11-09-2005, 08:35 PM
I don't really see Gunther as having had all that much success.

Against the run, #19 in yards per carry
Against the pass, #31 in yards per game, #25 in YPA, #26 in opponent QB rating (92.4)

I would imagine that a new head coach would want to bring in his own.

milkman
11-09-2005, 08:37 PM
If you can't see the progress we're making on defense you're blind.

Gunther needs to be retained. No continuity has killed the defense for years.

I see the progress, but I think it has to do more with the players working together for half a season and getting more familiar with each other than any thing Gun has done.

I give Gun credit for Kawika's progress, but that's it.

old_geezer
11-09-2005, 08:39 PM
If you can't see the progress we're making on defense you're blind.

Gunther needs to be retained. No continuity has killed the defense for years.


Actually "no talent" has killed this defense for years and I wouldn't mind seeing Gunther hit the road. His blitzes are easier to spot than Pamela Anderson in a room full of nuns.

Count Zarth
11-09-2005, 08:40 PM
Rome wasn't built in a day.

If we change the defensive scheme AGAIN we're taking two steps back.

DaneMcCloud
11-09-2005, 09:02 PM
Hey Phob,

You'll have to keep us posted as to whether or not Carl will go outside his "Circle of Trust". I'm betting that the next head coach will have worked for or with Peterson in the past. Either that or he goes out on a limb and hires a UCLA guy - Nueheisel or even Karl Dorrell.

It's going to be a very interesting offseason.

Dane

milkman
11-09-2005, 09:13 PM
Rome wasn't built in a day.

If we change the defensive scheme AGAIN we're taking two steps back.

Yeah, but the Panthers D was built in a season.

Mike Fox and Mike Trgovic had that defense playing at a high level at the start of their 2nd season there.

Gun is in the middle of his 2nd season, and we are only hoping that the progress we think we see isn't just a mirage.

Fact is, Gun wasn't great before.

Even with outstanding talent, his defenses were consistently inconsistent from season to season.

T-post Tom
11-09-2005, 09:16 PM
Nick told me about Priest last Friday morning. Don't tell me Dick Vermeil didn't find out until this morning.

Hmmmm, Don Fortune told me about it last Tuesday. :rolleyes:

Saggysack
11-09-2005, 09:28 PM
Rome wasn't built in a day.

If we change the defensive scheme AGAIN we're taking two steps back.


How do you explain what Ron Rivera has done in two seasons in Chicago then?

He turned them around pretty damn fast. Matter of a fact it only took his first year. And he didn't have the luxury of having DC experience prior to taking his job with the Bears.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:28 PM
Hmmmm, Don Fortune told me about it last Tuesday. :rolleyes:

Did I miss it.....is this yet another of TC's aliases?

The spat with Phil is a dead giveaway.... :hmmm:

Phobia
11-09-2005, 09:55 PM
Nah - T-post is legit. He's just flipping me shit, I guess. He must not have seen my posts from last night regarding the Priest issue.

Mr. Kotter
11-09-2005, 09:59 PM
Nah - T-post is legit. He's just flipping me shit, I guess. He must not have seen my posts from last night regarding the Priest issue.

Ah-ha. Got it.

BigRedChief
11-09-2005, 10:04 PM
I guess I didn't really want to talk about Nick as much as I wanted to talk about how FOS Dick is.

The whole Chiefs front office is FOS. 30 days to revaluate but they put Priest on IR? But they keep Sims and Barber on the active roster all year. Tell what reality that makes sense in.

They have known about this for at least week. You don't have RB's trying out for your team in the middle of the season unless you know something is up.

3 frigging trips to specialists and DV hasn't ruled him out to play this weekend? And if DV does start Priest this week its back to the 2 fer 1 series crap. What a load of shit we were being fed by DV. He friggin knew there was an issue with Priests spinal canal.
Pissing all over my boots and then telling me its raining. That ticks me off more than anything.

They frigging know Priest is done. He will never play another down of football in a Chiefs uniform. Its all about the injury settlement and posturing about money. Shame on them. Priest should not go out like this. He has earned and deserves better treatment. Let him have his money. Put him on the ring and in the Chiefs Hall of Fame. He gave us 5 great years.

He was the best running back to ever wear the Chiefs uniform. Treat him accordingly.
DV and King Carl your full of chit and I'm calling you on it.:cuss:

Halfcan
11-09-2005, 10:59 PM
I see us getting a Defensive minded young guru for a coach, plus keeping Gunther. Then drafting all D in the draft. We will patch the O line in free agency and pick up a receiver.

Al Saunders will stay around as long as Trent Green is here. They won't make TG learn a new offense this late in his career.

The rest of the staff sucks and will be fired.

Rausch
11-09-2005, 11:12 PM
I'm saying that Athan's credibility has improved. Clearly he has sources. He "scooped" the Priest story by an entire weekend but refused to take it public until the story solidified. He's tired of stories he breaks falling through, I suppose.

If true this is exactly the type of restraint a journalist should show until THEY believe their source is dead on.

And it would lead me to be more optomistic about his reporting (once he's shown the proper use of their/there/they're) in the future...

Halfcan
11-09-2005, 11:52 PM
My sources say- Chiefs will win big against the Bills.

Count Zarth
11-10-2005, 02:39 AM
How do you explain what Ron Rivera has done in two seasons in Chicago then?

He turned them around pretty damn fast. Matter of a fact it only took his first year. And he didn't have the luxury of having DC experience prior to taking his job with the Bears.

Take a look at Chicago's schedule.

We're changing a culture in KC.

the Talking Can
11-10-2005, 06:14 AM
I blame Nick Athan.

KcMizzou
11-10-2005, 06:21 AM
utterly ...


i remember starting a poll several years ago about how completely FOS vermeil was and took no end of chit for it.


what were the poll options?


... liar,douchebag or senile


something like thatYeah... we still think you suck.

KCTitus
11-10-2005, 07:44 AM
...100% coaching turnover likely this offseason.

Interesting, but not wholly unsuprising...

HuddleClubKid
11-10-2005, 08:31 AM
Thanks for the kind words. If I was the source of the Retirement rumor then why did it not appear on Warpaint. We knew about this last Friday but chose to wait until we could get 100% confirmation and posted it when appropriate. This thing had more twist and turns that this thread. I'll be on 38 Sports Spot tonight if anyone is interested.

dirk digler
11-10-2005, 08:50 AM
100% turnover.

PBJ :toast:

Chiefnj
11-10-2005, 08:53 AM
When is WPI going to become a partial owner of ChiefsPlanet??

Sully
11-10-2005, 08:58 AM
Yeah, but the Panthers D was built in a season.

Mike Fox and Mike Trgovic had that defense playing at a high level at the start of their 2nd season there.

Gun is in the middle of his 2nd season, and we are only hoping that the progress we think we see isn't just a mirage.

Fact is, Gun wasn't great before.

Even with outstanding talent, his defenses were consistently inconsistent from season to season.

Let's see...
Rucker, Morgan, Jenkins, Buckner, Peppers...
I neve thought about it, but you are right... Trgovac is a genius to have won with that lineup...
I think it just shows that in any case, it's far more about the talent than the coaching.

Sully
11-10-2005, 08:58 AM
Hey Phob,

You'll have to keep us posted as to whether or not Carl will go outside his "Circle of Trust".

I can't have a chink in my chain, Greg...

WilliamTheIrish
11-10-2005, 09:01 AM
I'll be on 38 Sports Spot tonight if anyone is interested.


I've got the TIVO ready, master...

Ebolapox
11-10-2005, 09:37 AM
Let's see...
Rucker, Morgan, Jenkins, Buckner, Peppers...
I neve thought about it, but you are right... Trgovac is a genius to have won with that lineup...
I think it just shows that in any case, it's far more about the talent than the coaching.

interestingly enough, we had brenston buckner in our training camp in the late 90's after pittsburg cut him--we cut him before the start of that season

-EB-...oh well

htismaqe
11-10-2005, 09:56 AM
Heh, if he would have come in with that, claiming Athan as a source, he would have been flamed off his own BB.

Exactly. Light the torches and grab the pitchforks, it's the ChiefsPlanet mob!

BigRedChief
11-10-2005, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the kind words. If I was the source of the Retirement rumor then why did it not appear on Warpaint. We knew about this last Friday but chose to wait until we could get 100% confirmation and posted it when appropriate. This thing had more twist and turns that this thread. I'll be on 38 Sports Spot tonight if anyone is interested.

Who are you? Am I suppose to automaically know who you are?

And if you knew about it why didn't you help me out yesterday when I was getting hammered? :p

jspchief
11-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Who are you? Am I suppose to automaically know who you are?

And if you knew about it why didn't you help me out yesterday when I was getting hammered? :pHe's Nick Athan. Seriously.

BigRedChief
11-10-2005, 10:17 AM
He's Nick Athan. Seriously.

Oh chit let me bow and scrape........:hail: just joking . You have never done anything to me or for me so I'm neutral.

I have known Mighty Mike for about 12 years. We went to school together. I respect him and if he works for you then something must be okay about you. Don't know why you get trashed alot around here other than rumors that don't pan out :hmmm:

Taco John
11-10-2005, 10:17 AM
Is that from Athan?

Also, 100%? I don't think there's any way they ditch Gunther after what he's started to build here defensively.



You mean the 28th defense overall in the league?

jspchief
11-10-2005, 10:20 AM
You mean the 28th defense overall in the league?Not everyone can be 22nd.

Taco John
11-10-2005, 10:22 AM
Not everyone can be 22nd.


Nor can they all be division leaders.

jspchief
11-10-2005, 10:23 AM
Nor can they all be division leaders.Gold medal... in the Special Olympics.

Mr. Laz
11-10-2005, 10:26 AM
Yeah... we still think you suck.
coming from a MUron that's a great compliment


i may suck ... but i was right

Mr. Kotter
11-10-2005, 10:28 AM
You mean the 28th defense overall in the league?

Say that while you can. We are entering "gel" time, baby!!! :drool:

TEX
11-10-2005, 11:26 AM
Nor can they all be division leaders.

Made much easier (as usual) when they get to play 5 home games and no back-to-back road games the first half of the season. :hmmm: