PDA

View Full Version : ****The Official Chiefs vs. Bills Game Thread****


Pages : 1 [2] 3 4 5

royr17
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Like Dad said shit happens on special teams, and you get special teams penaltys when you are aggresive which is what Rich and Boomer are.

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Running left on 3rd and 5, how smart with Jordan Black over there.

KCFalcon59
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Stupid call on 3rd and 5.

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
yeah..3rd and 5 and we run to Blacks side....super

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Eight men in the box, Saunders, screens and draws.

JBucc
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
perfect kick

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Crap...

THE NOSE BREAKER!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:31 AM
Tynes-o-Matic...

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
Good job Tynes. Bad job Saunders.

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
Man, I hate to settle.

KevB
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
That play had everything to do with tendency. There's no way, on 3rd and 5 the Bills should have been able to load up on a running play. We must do something out of that formation that they were ready for.

Guru
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
We have to start getting some TDs in the red zone.

Bwana
11-13-2005, 11:32 AM
3 and 5 and they run it...WTF?

Nice kick by Tynes though.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:33 AM
Wow! Joe Montana looks old. I guess it happens to the best of us

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Like Dad said shit happens on special teams, and you get special teams penaltys when you are aggresive which is what Rich and Boomer are.
It's started already.

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
man, I used to be Saunder's biggest fan...but his calls are baffling this year...twice on 3rd down we've put our fate in Black's hands..twice we've failed

why?

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Maybe Saunders has faith in the D and only has to go for 3. :)

Hoover
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Trent looks good early! Too bad Al can't call a good game. Running till we get into 3rd and long, and then ruinnign on 3rd and 5 in the red zone.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Our offense just has a tough time getting in any kind of sync this year.

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Block in the back.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:35 AM
Yardage so far:

KC - 93, Buf - 20

Bwana
11-13-2005, 11:35 AM
Come on Stills!

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:35 AM
Yea we need Stills for his great special teams play......good job moron.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:35 AM
Stills, you idiot!

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:35 AM
What the hell did Stills do?

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:36 AM
Only two receivers out in the route and one is open.

Nice.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:36 AM
Good job Warfield.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:37 AM
Good tackling Warfield...

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:37 AM
Nice job, Warfield.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:37 AM
What the hell did Stills do?

Category 7!

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:37 AM
Late hit on Stills. Calm down guys. It's his first flag of the season!!(i think)

Nice tackle Warfield

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:38 AM
Category 7!
ROFL

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:38 AM
1st quarter Time Of Possession:

KC - 9:56, Buffalo - 5:04

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:40 AM
1st quarter Time Of Possession:

KC - 9:56, Buffalo - 5:04

Good start...

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:40 AM
STUFFED.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:40 AM
Scanlon did an excellent job of watching that play develope.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:41 AM
Nice stuff by the Chiefs.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:41 AM
Let's do it one more time.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:41 AM
I see nothing wrong with going for it here either...c'mon Chiefs, stuff these muthas...

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:41 AM
AWESOME!!!

leviw
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
SCANLON with the sackita!

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Gopher makes a play!

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Good stop, D!! Woo Hoo!!!!

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Another nice trick play!

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Good job by Scanlon. Horrible play calling by the Bills.

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
BAAHAA ROFL

HolmeZz
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
SCANLON. SCANLON.

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
That has to be the DUMBEST play in the history of the NFL.

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
THE DUMBEST CALL EVER

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
DEFENSE BITCHES!!!!!

WTF was that??

Bwana
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Gopher!

Black Jack Savage
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Kill that SONOFABITCH!!

KCFalcon59
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
What a gift!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
WTF was that? It was like Holcomb froze up there...I think Kawika jostled the ball and screwed up the play they were calling...

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
Out****ingStanding!

Black Jack Savage
11-13-2005, 11:42 AM
No BLOCK IN THE BACK

HolmeZz
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
The Bills have made some really terrible play calls.

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
Blacks gonna get holding......

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
AHAHAHA!

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
Scanlon!!!!! Orgasms at the Roys.

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
Honneycomb had that Plummer "WTF just happened" look on his face...

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
Oh Gonzalez did hm.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
What???

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
F#CK :cuss:

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
**** Gonzo

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
GODDAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
Now we need a touchdown!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:43 AM
DOH!

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Damn! That screen didn't work.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Terrible screen. Don't run that one any more.

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
JFC, we are wasting a great opportunity here.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Anything less than a TD here is a tremendous victory for the Bills...2nd and 6 coming up...

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Good job by Scanlon. Horrible play calling by the Bills.

Is Al calling plays for both teams?

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
LJ!!!!!!

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Now we need a touchdown!
I agree!

3rd and 1

ROYC75
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
LOL

HolmeZz
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
4 down territory.

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
Damn, Cross talking up LJ.

alnorth
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
ok Buffalo, watch. this is what you do with inches to go

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
20 Z Blast!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:45 AM
3rd and inches...give it to the angry LJ...

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
1st down!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
LJ looks to be sucking it up...no fumbles...

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
FIRST DOWN

alnorth
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
there, was that so hard? there will be a pop quiz next time you are 3rd or 4th and inches

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
See? That's how you get 3rd/4th and short...

leviw
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
That sucks.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
**** **** ****!

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
****

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Good job Trent........

JBucc
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
son of a ****

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
trent fumbles, bills pick it up and run it back to our 11.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Goddamnit all to ****ing hell.

Guru
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Nice job O-line. JEEZ

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
MOTHERF#CKER

Good job by Larry saving 7, though.

deadbabyseal
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rausch
11-13-2005, 11:46 AM
Wow.

LJ makes the Priest-esque play to prevent the TD...

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Thank God for LJ's speed.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Disaster...

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Nice hustle by LJ, but we're fooked. What a huge, huge, huge swing.

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
we are blowing a great D effort

this makes me sick

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Nice hustle by LJ. Did he miss the block

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Thank God for LJ!!!!

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
WTF Green?

leviw
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Good job Trent........

No joke. Block your man, Trent. C'mon.

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Well ****!!! :banghead: :cuss: :cuss:

KevB
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Trent has to see that blitz and get rid of it. Damn.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
I hope we can hold them to 3

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:47 AM
I believe the D will hold...

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
I don't think the Chiefs want to win this game...

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
McGahee down...and out...

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
McGahee looks hurt

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
Wesley put the hurt on him.

Mecca
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
No joke. Block your man, Trent. C'mon.

Even if you're getting sacked you need to hold onto the ball.

Black Jack Savage
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
Nice kill shot by Kendrell

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
McGahee down.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
I think Bell just killed McGahee.

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
holy shit

Wesley just nailed McGahee

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
Ouch. McGahee got jacked up.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:48 AM
McGahee hurt?

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
WTF Green?
Green? What the hell are you talking about

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Wesley is starting to look like the Wesley we had a couple of years ago.

Hope WM is ok.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Well, looks like we'll have to overcome our offense today...fortunately the defense is playing lights out...as Willis just discovered...hope he's okay...tomorrow...

JBucc
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
was he moving?

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Once again, we look horribly flat on offense. Not in sync at all.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:49 AM
McGahee hurt?
He really hit his head hard

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:50 AM
Chiefs recover a fumble

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:50 AM
BRILLIANT!

deadbabyseal
11-13-2005, 11:50 AM
woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:50 AM
Good job defense.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Green? What the hell are you talking about
I didn't see the play. All I saw was a Bill running the other way.

KCFalcon59
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Nice call Gunther!@!!!!!!

Black Jack Savage
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Larry saves the touch and we kill that MUTHA*****A!!

KevB
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
D came to play today baby!

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Well, as it turns out, we just got creamed in field position only.

leviw
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Carlos Hall is A MAN today.

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
yeah baby!

JBucc
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Yet again, Hall runs right by a QB that isn't moving

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
our D is awesome!!

and Holcomb is out!

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Woo Hoo! Fumble, our ball. Holcolmb down.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Hall whiffs again but Allen cleans up the mess!

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
HELLL YES!!!!

We've got a defense guys!!!!!!!!!

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Holcomb is now down for the count.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
I don't think either team wants to win...back to back plays the Bills lose their starting RB and starting QB...CHIEFS HAVE TO SCORE!!!

alnorth
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Looks like we are out to kill some skill position players today

HolmeZz
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
We're lucky.

Bwana
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
NICE stick Allen!!!

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Yes, that's a fumble. No tuck rule.

Excellent. We are dominating this game but have just 3 to show for it. We really need to get 7 here.

Guru
11-13-2005, 11:51 AM
I believe the D will hold...

HELL YES!!!!

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
McGahee and Holcum both took a wack.

Wackafoo duo

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
Hall is better than Hicks!

Where the **** has he been before today?

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
NOW, we must score a TD!

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
AS needs to send Kennison deep on first down.

headsnap
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
I dont want Loseman in, we ALWAYS get burned by the #2 QB!!!:banghead:

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
this is what DV meant when he said our D needed more "violence"

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
This game is starting to remind me of Marty-era Chiefs, defense tries its best to save the offense's ass.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
Good job Defense. Now wake the hell up Offense. :cuss:

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:53 AM
LJ!!!!

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:53 AM
Nice little 15 yard run

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:53 AM
LJ is the man!

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:54 AM
LJ saves the TD, the D gets the ball back. Teamwork!!

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:54 AM
Allen laid the smackdown on Holcomb.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:54 AM
LJ is the man!
He is the beast...

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:54 AM
If we don't win this game it's gonna be a f&cking crime.

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:54 AM
9 more yards.

Not bad for a guy who just ran down that Bill and prevented a TD.

alnorth
11-13-2005, 11:55 AM
OK, everyone on TV and in the entire stadium: we are going to run up the middle. Try to stop us

CHIEF4EVER
11-13-2005, 11:55 AM
We need to "give em the Johnson" all game long.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:55 AM
We're lucky.
I think the defense is making the "luck" happen

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:56 AM
TRich at RB.

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:56 AM
Goddamn mistakes.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:56 AM
T-Rich!!!!!

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 11:56 AM
No foul.

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Goddamn mistakes.

Never mind.

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Hey, they call back a flag

Way to argue, Casey W

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
No flag on KC. In your face Cross! :#

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Hell just froze over...

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Give them the Johnson!!!!!!!!!!!

NJ Chief Fan
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
we need 7 boys

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Bring LJ back in

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
Does Saunders even know the meaning of play action?

Shag
11-13-2005, 11:57 AM
TRich?? Maybe LJ not quite in full game shape yet?

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
to hall for 6

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Amazing play by Bruschi on that highlight.

Crush
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
BO!!!!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Buffalo's defense has got to be sucking wind...TOP: 15:09 - 7:29

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Does Saunders even know the meaning of play action?
No.

milkman
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
You do a game break to show us a highlight of a team ALMOST scoring?

WTF?

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Go Bo to the 30

1st down

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:59 AM
Big first down to Bo

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 11:59 AM
Bo makes a catch!!

Frazod
11-13-2005, 11:59 AM
We seem to be moving on them at will. Time to start scoring some friggin points.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 11:59 AM
Tighten that chin-strap LJ

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Shit! Where is LJ going?

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Let's punch it in guys.

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Buffalo's defense has got to be sucking wind...TOP: 17:40 - 7:29

Mecca
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Chris Horn drops a ball when he's wide open...

CHIEF4EVER
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
CATCH THE FRIGGIN BALL!!!!!!!!

Rausch
11-13-2005, 12:00 PM
****! That was an easy 1st down!

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
WIDE OPEN

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
Wow. Yet another dropped pass.

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
A wide open Horn drops the ball at the 15

Time for the nose breaker

Frazod
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
F#CKING HORN! :cuss:

KCJake
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
Horn was wide-open!!

Skip Towne
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
Horn, you f*ckin' idiot!!!!!

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
DAMN Horn...wide open...

Mecca
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
Tynes misses this day isn't going well.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
"Best kicker in the NFL"
Tynes

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
I'm getting that sick feeling

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
Here comes THE NOSE BREAKER and there goes the streak. :cuss:

BigOlChiefsfan
11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
wide

Wind caught the 49 yd kick

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
We are gonna lose this game.

Crush
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
Tynes needs to punch Saunders in the face for putting him in that position.

HolmeZz
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
This has been so demoralizing.

Frazod
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
And Tynes seals the meltdown. Lovely.

WHY AREN'T WE SCORING ON THESE TURDS? :banghead:

Shag
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
We're treading on very dangerous ground here. You only get so many chances to score in a game, and we're definitely not taking advantage... :(

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
The Chiefs are really trying to lose this game

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 12:02 PM
That's the second drop of the day. We'll be leading the league in dropped passes by the end of the day.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 12:08 PM
It should have been 3rd and forever. That was definitely grounding.

Black Jack Savage
11-13-2005, 12:09 PM
Stupid c*cksucking call, that was grounding.

Chieftain58
11-13-2005, 12:09 PM
Need to score when we got the dammn ball

KCJake
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Was DJ really off-sides? Close

PastorMikH
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
It would be nice if we could actually make a tackle with the first hit.



It would also be nice if the server wouldn't get too busy.

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Bob Dole wonders if everyone will be talking about the bad no-call grounding this week after Buffalo scores.

headsnap
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Total domination, score 3-0! :banghead:

Shag
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Totally jobbed on the non-grounding call. That was rediculous...

Our D needs to learn to bring a QB down - too many missed tackles in the backfield...

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
This is like a Marty flashback to 1992.

Chieftain58
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Goldilocks is hot! :)

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
our best half of D since DV arrived and we have basically nothing ot show for it...

Scalper
11-13-2005, 12:10 PM
We have one shitty offense

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 12:11 PM
The Chiefs are imploding.

KCJake
11-13-2005, 12:11 PM
We've dominated this game. Yet the score is 3-0. I hate it when that happens

KCFalcon59
11-13-2005, 12:11 PM
Damn this is pissing me off.

Chieftain58
11-13-2005, 12:11 PM
Playing not to lose~!

Crush
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Ugh

Mecca
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
There you are the Chiefs dominate the half yet are losing.

Chieftain58
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
We deserve that

siberian khatru
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Typical. One big play.

Rausch
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
He mistimed his jump...shit...

Frazod
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
We've dominated this game. Yet the score is 3-0. I hate it when that happens

Sucks even worse when we're down 3-7. :banghead:

KCJake
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Warfield got toasted! He totally missed judged that football

JBucc
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
RU ****ing kidding me? Put washington in, take Warfield out.

VonneMarie
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Well ****.

Why do the Chiefs let second string QB's own them? :cuss:

the Talking Can
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
backup QB torches us

so familiar

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Looks like this defense is no different than the others...the backup comes in and we promptly make him look all-pro...

Crush
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Offense needs to get its head out of its ass.

MichaelH
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Good. It takes us to get behind before we start scoring

Bob Dole
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
What the **** was Warfield looking at?

Jesus. We have absolutely dominated this game and are behind because our ****ing offense can't get in sync and put up any points.

Frazod
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Warfield got toasted! He totally missed judged that football

GET WASHINGTON IN THERE.

Guru
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
2nd string QBs. I hate them.

How the HELL are we losing this game? AAARRRGGGGHHHHHHH
:banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :cuss:

RINGLEADER
11-13-2005, 12:13 PM
If Warfield would have just kept running he would have intercepted that ball...We officially suck.