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GoTrav
11-14-2005, 08:28 AM
discussed this morning on Mike & Mike and Mort a few times. Still all speculation but compensation would need to be made to the Jets, which would more than likely be draft picks. Herm still has 3-4 years on his current contract, so dropping a 1st or 2nd was discussed. Am I the only one not comfortable dropping a 1st or 2nd on this guy?

http://www.nfl.com/teams/coaching/NYJ

Head Coach
Herman Edwards
Pro Career: On Jan. 28, 2001, Edwards was named the Jetsí 13th full-time head coach. Edwards previously served as the assistant head coach-defensive backs coach for Tampa Bay (1996-2000).

Last season, Edwards guided the Jets to the postseason for the third time in his four seasons at the helm. He is the only coach in Jets history with three trips to the postseason.

In 2002, the Jets won the AFC East and posted the biggest postseason victory (41-0) in club history. In 2001, he led the Jets to a 10-6 regular-season mark and became the first head coach in team history to make the playoffs in his first season.

Before joining Tampa Bay, Edwards worked for the Kansas City Chiefs for six seasons (1990-95) in several different roles. He began his pro coaching career as a participant of the NFLís Minority Coaching Fellowship program with the Kansas City Chiefs in the summer of 1989.

Career record: 37-32.

Background: Played cornerback collegiately for California (1972, 1974), Monterey Peninsula (Calif.) J.C. (1973), and San Diego State (1975-76). Played in NFL for Philadelphia Eagles (1977-1985), Los Angeles Rams (1986), and Atlanta Falcons (1986). He was defensive backs coach at San Jose State (1987-89).

Personal: Born Apr. 27, 1954, Monmouth, N.J. Edwards and his wife Lia have one son, Marcus.


Assistant Coaches

Sal Alosi - asst. director of physical development; born May 11, 1977, Massapequa, N.Y. Linebacker Hofstra 1996-2000. No pro playing experience. College coach: Hofstra 2001. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2002.

Jeremy Bates - quarterbacks; born August 27, 1976, Manhattan, Kan. Quarterback Tennessee 1995, Rice 1996-99. No pro playing experience. Pro coach: Tampa Bay 2002-04, joined Jets in 2005.

Tim Berbenich - offensive assistant; born December 19, 1979, Huntington, N.Y. Wide receiver Hamilton College 1998-2001. No pro playing experience. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2003.

Corwin Brown - defensive backs; born April 25, 1970, Chicago. Safety Michigan 1989-1992. Pro safety New England Patriots 1993-96, New York Jets 1997-98, Detroit Lions 1999-2000. College coach: Virginia 2001-03. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2004.

Dick Curl - asst. to the head coach/running backs; born May 4, 1940, Chester, Pa. Quarterback Richmond 1959-1962. No pro playing experience. College coach: Trenton State 1973-74 (head coach 1974), Rutgers 1975-79, 1982-88, Virginia 1980-81, Boston College 1989-1990. Pro coach: Barcelona Dragons (NFLEL) 1991-97, Frankfurt Galaxy (NFLEL) 1998-99 (head coach), joined Jets in 2003.

Pep Hamilton - wide receivers; born September 19, 1974, Charlotte. Quarterback Howard 1993-96. No pro playing experience. College coach: Howard 1997-2002. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2003.

Mike Heimerdinger - offensive coordinator, born October 13, 1952, DeKalb, Ill. Wide receiver Eastern Illinois 1970-74. No pro playing experience. College coach: Florida 1980, Air Force 1981, North Texas State 1982, Florida 1983-87, Cal State-Fullerton 1988, Rice 1989-1993, Duke 1994. Pro coach: Denver Broncos 1995-99, Tennessee Titans 2000-04, joined Jets in 2005.

Donnie Henderson - defensive coordinator; born May 17, 1957, Baltimore. Defensive back Utah State 1978-79. No pro playing experience. College coach: Utah State 1983-88, Idaho 1989-90, California 1992-97, Houston 1998. Pro coach: Baltimore Ravens 1999-2003, joined Jets in 2004.

Denny Marcin - defensive line; born April 24, 1942, Cleveland. Defensive-offensive lineman Miami (Ohio) 1961-64. No pro playing experience. College coach: Miami (Ohio) 1974-77, North Carolina 1978-1987, Illinois 1988-1996. Pro coach: New York Giants 1997-2003, joined Jets in 2004.

Doug Marrone - offensive line; born July 25, 1964, Bronx, N.Y. Offensive lineman Syracuse 1982-86. Pro offensive lineman Miami Dolphins 1987, New Orleans Saints 1989, London Monarchs (NFLE) 1992. College coach: Cortland State 1992, U.S. Coast Guard 1993, Northeastern 1994, Georgia Tech 1995-99, Georgia 2000, Tennessee 2001. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2002.

Chris Mattura - defensive assistant; born February 2, 1960, New York City. Attended SUNY Regents. No college or pro playing experience. College coach: Hofstra 1985, Fordham 1989-1991, C.W. Post 1992-95. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2002.

Markus Paul - director of physical development; born April 1, 1966, Orlando, Fla. Safety Syracuse 1984-88. Pro safety Chicago Bears 1989-1993, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1993. Pro coach: New Orleans Saints 1998-99, New England Patriots 2000-04, joined Jets in 2005.

Bob Sutton - linebackers; born January 28, 1951, Ypsilanti, Mich. Attended Eastern Michigan. No college or pro playing experience. College coach: Michigan 1972-73, Syracuse 1974, Western Michigan 1975-76, 1980-81, Illinois 1977-79, North Carolina State 1982, Army 1983-1999 (head coach 1991-99). Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2000.

Nate Wainwright - asst. coach; born July 28, 1975, Iowa City, Iowa. Attended Iowa. No college or pro playing experience. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2001.

Mike Westhoff - asst. head coach/special teams coordinator; born January 10, 1948, Pittsburgh. Center/linebacker Wichita State 1967-69. No pro playing experience. College coach: Indiana 1974-75, Dayton 1976, Indiana State 1977, Northwestern 1978-1980, Texas Christian 1981. Pro coach: Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts 1982-84, Arizona Outlaws (USFL) 1985, Miami Dolphins 1986-2000, joined Jets in 2001.

John Zernhelt - tight ends, born January 4, 1954, Pottsville, Pa. Offensive lineman. Maryland 1974-77. No pro playing experience. College coach: Ferrum 1977-1980, Marshall 1981, East Carolina 1982-86, Maryland 1987-1991, Rice 1992-93, Duke 1994-95, South Carolina 1996-98, James Madison 1999-2002, The Citadel 2003-04. Pro coach: Joined Jets in 2005.

Mecca
11-14-2005, 08:29 AM
Yes, I heard this. If we give up compensation for a coach again, especially Herm Edwards. I'd be really really pissed about the stupidity of that.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 08:32 AM
Auuugghhhhh not only a crappy head coach but one we'd have to give up draft picks for. NO thank you.

Sully
11-14-2005, 08:33 AM
If we gave up a draft pick, he'd have to play corner as well... but in the nickel that may be a step up.

Brock
11-14-2005, 08:33 AM
Why would anybody give up picks for a coach that's going to be fired anyway?

GoTrav
11-14-2005, 08:33 AM
If we gave up a draft pick, he'd have to play corner as well... but in the nickel that may be a step up.

ROFL

headsnap
11-14-2005, 08:34 AM
Herm Edwards = Marty Schottenheimer + Dick Vermiel


NO THANKS!!!

Sully
11-14-2005, 08:34 AM
Hell... we gave up picks for a coach that, for al intents and purposes, WAS fired ALREADY!!!

Mecca
11-14-2005, 08:34 AM
Why would anybody give up picks for a coach that's going to be fired anyway?

Alot of people don't think he's going to be fired is what I'm gathering. It's that he'd have to ask out of his contract then if the Chiefs wanted him the Jets would want compensation.

GoTrav
11-14-2005, 08:38 AM
Alot of people don't think he's going to be fired is what I'm gathering. It's that he'd have to ask out of his contract then if the Chiefs wanted him the Jets would want compensation.


he won't be, especially now, when we're ready to pony up some picks for him

Black Jack Savage
11-14-2005, 08:40 AM
Herm Edwards = Marty Schottenheimer + Dick Vermiel


NO THANKS!!!


If this isn't the truest shit ever said I don't know what is.

YOU PLAY NOT TO LOSE THE GAME!! AND THEN YOU KISS YOUR MEDIOCRE PLAYERS ASSES!! HELLOO??!!!

GoTrav
11-14-2005, 08:43 AM
Dick Curl - asst. to the head coach/running backs; born May 4, 1940, Chester, Pa. Quarterback Richmond 1959-1962. No pro playing experience. College coach: Trenton State 1973-74 (head coach 1974), Rutgers 1975-79, 1982-88, Virginia 1980-81, Boston College 1989-1990. Pro coach: Barcelona Dragons (NFLEL) 1991-97, Frankfurt Galaxy (NFLEL) 1998-99 (head coach), joined Jets in 2003.

ROFL

this guy should be in NASCAR

ZootedGranny
11-14-2005, 08:44 AM
The NFL banned draft pick compensation for coaches.

I don't want Herm anyways, the Chiefs have already suffered through his father.

Sully
11-14-2005, 08:45 AM
If Dick Curl were the second coming of Lombardi, I'm just not sure I'd want him coaching the Chiefs, unless he changed his name from Dick Curl.
That has multiple Letterman appearances written all over it.

BigRedChief
11-14-2005, 08:45 AM
After the DV deal the NFL outlawed giving up draft picks for coaches.

chagrin
11-14-2005, 08:47 AM
ROFL

this guy should be in NASCAR


I agree, could we PLEASE NOT have Dick Curl coach for us?

Mecca
11-14-2005, 08:48 AM
That's what need, 2 guys named Dick coaching for us back to back. That way we get ****ed either way.

GoTrav
11-14-2005, 08:51 AM
After the DV deal the NFL outlawed giving up draft picks for coaches.

strange, figured Mort would have known that. What exactly did we give up for DV?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 08:55 AM
The only guy I'd feel even remotely comfortable giving up picks for is Bill Cowher. He's a fine coach and somebody I would love to see in KC.

I suppose Belicek would be worth it, too. But I'm wondering if a lot of his success the past few years has been due mainly to his coordinators. This year is showing how much he needed their talent.

Herm Edwards is not worthy of a high draft pick. No freakin' way.

Dr. Facebook Fever
11-14-2005, 08:58 AM
Is becoming the Jets better than being the Chiefs?


:shake:

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:02 AM
I suppose Belicek would be worth it, too. But I'm wondering if a lot of his success the past few years has been due mainly to his coordinators. This year is showing how much he needed their talent.

How is it Belichick's fault? They barely have any warm bodies to throw uniforms on.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:05 AM
The only guy I'd feel even remotely comfortable giving up picks for is Bill Cowher. He's a fine coach and somebody I would love to see in KC.

I suppose Belicek would be worth it, too. But I'm wondering if a lot of his success the past few years has been due mainly to his coordinators. This year is showing how much he needed their talent.

Herm Edwards is not worthy of a high draft pick. No freakin' way.


The dumbest take ever! In case you haven't noticed, Cowher is the longest tenured coach in the league, do you really think Pitt is just going to give him up. That and the fact that they have had 2 coaches in the past 30+ years.

Again, do you really think the Patriots would give up the mastermind behind 3 SB's? And in case you haven't noticed, the Pat's have lost way too much to injuries. Moron

Brock
11-14-2005, 09:07 AM
The dumbest take ever! In case you haven't noticed, Cowher is the longest tenured coach in the league, do you really think Pitt is just going to give him up. That and the fact that they have had 2 coaches in the past 30+ years.

Again, do you really think the Patriots would give up the mastermind behind 3 SB's? And in case you haven't noticed, the Pat's have lost way too much to injuries. Moron

Hey, assgasket - learn to read. Nobody said NE or Pittsburgh would be willing to give up their coaches.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:08 AM
Then why talk about them like they are available?

Phobia
11-14-2005, 09:08 AM
I don't know the exact rule, but I know compensation for coaches changed after the Bucs took Gruden. I don't think draft pick compensation is allowed any longer. I could be mistaken but I do know the rule changed.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 09:09 AM
Herm Edwards? Good god.

At this point I'm almost hoping the Chiefs move to LA so we can have a Browns-style rebirth in KC.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:09 AM
The dumbest take ever! In case you haven't noticed, Cowher is the longest tenured coach in the league, do you really think Pitt is just going to give him up. That and the fact that they have had 2 coaches in the past 30+ years.

Again, do you really think the Patriots would give up the mastermind behind 3 SB's? And in case you haven't noticed, the Pat's have lost way too much to injuries. Moron


Thanks for the rebuttal, Brock. I'll handle if from here.

Hey dumbass n00b, read this 4321 . Show me where in my reply that I said Pitt or NE would be willing to give up their coaches. I never even insinuated that. The only point I was trying to make is that I thought those 2 guys were the only ones that are worth picks. So ST FD and ST FU.

Brock
11-14-2005, 09:10 AM
Then why talk about them like they are available?

I guess he f*cking felt like it. I'm pretty sure he, or anybody else, doesn't need to be lectured by your dumb ass.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:13 AM
You are talking about something that will never, ever happen. Amazing how much shit you talk about the "chin" as Chiefs fans, and now that the wheels are falling off, let's go get the guy we trash on a daily basis.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:15 AM
You are talking about something that will never, ever happen. Amazing how much shit you talk about the "chin" as Chiefs fans, and now that the wheels are falling off, let's go get the guy we trash on a daily basis.

Hey, guess what. We are not all robots as Chiefs fans. We all have differing opinions. Just because some may trash Cowher or another coach doesn't mean we all do. Get a clue, n00b.

chagrin
11-14-2005, 09:15 AM
Dude, why are you so hostile?

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:16 AM
You are talking about something that will never, ever happen. Amazing how much shit you talk about the "chin" as Chiefs fans, and now that the wheels are falling off, let's go get the guy we trash on a daily basis.

STFU you tard. Not all of us want to hire yet another choker. We already had a guy who will never win it all in the 90s, we don't need another one.

See you when Shitsburgh loses at home in the playoffs for the 40,000th time.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:17 AM
Again, do you really think the Patriots would give up the mastermind behind 3 SB's? And in case you haven't noticed, the Pat's have lost way too much to injuries. Moron

Amazing how much shit you talk about the "chin" as Chiefs fans, and now that the wheels are falling off, let's go get the guy we trash on a daily basis.

Amazing that the injury excuse can be used for the Pats but not for the Chiefs.
:rolleyes:

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:17 AM
So when do I unbecome a "noob"? When I have 11,924 postings? How about when I put a picture of some kid with downs syndrome wearing a red #2 jersey for my pic?

Brock
11-14-2005, 09:17 AM
STFU you tard. Not all of us want to hire yet another choker. We already had a guy who will never win it all in the 90s, we don't need another one.

See you when Shitsburgh loses at home in the playoffs for the 40,000th time.

Yeah - I'm trying to figure out what team this turd is a fan of. Is this a 49ers fan, or what?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:19 AM
Hey Cochise, you think he's a Pittsburgh fan? His handle doesn't make sense, then. Unless, of course, he just conveniently forgot the 1995 season.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:19 AM
Oh wow Cochise, the Chiefs have torn up the league at home in the playoffs. Does 13-3 and 1 and done ring a bell?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:21 AM
So when do I unbecome a "noob"? When I have 11,924 postings? How about when I put a picture of some kid with downs syndrome wearing a red #2 jersey for my pic?

Uh, yeah that was so funny. Tell you what, when you get some brains, try posting something worthwhile. That kid is my son who plays safety for his 4th pee wee football team. He is a very good player and a smart kid. Of course, your lame smack doesn't change any of that, dickwad.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:22 AM
Is his helmet filled with water?

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:23 AM
Does he have a chew can stain on his game pants?

Does he have Corky on the back of his jersey?

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:24 AM
Safeties in pee wee football are the knob's who play right field in baseball. There is no need for a secondary in pee wee football.

chagrin
11-14-2005, 09:25 AM
Does he have a chew can stain on his game pants?

Does he have Corky on the back of his jersey?


I have no idea who you are, but what kind of "man" takes to insulting a child?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:27 AM
Safeties in pee wee football are the knob's who play right field in baseball. There is no need for a secondary in pee wee football.

Yeah, thanks for that expert analysis. :rolleyes: He had 12 tackles in his game last week. He did his job very well and the coaches were singing his praises. He also plays some WR. He laid some devastating blocks, too.

But enough about that. Talk about the thread subject or STFU.

Chief Henry
11-14-2005, 09:28 AM
The dumbest take ever! In case you haven't noticed, Cowher is the longest tenured coach in the league, do you really think Pitt is just going to give him up. That and the fact that they have had 2 coaches in the past 30+ years.

Again, do you really think the Patriots would give up the mastermind behind 3 SB's? And in case you haven't noticed, the Pat's have lost way too much to injuries. Moron



I've posted before that I would love to have Bill Cowher in Kansas City.
I will say it again, I want BILL COwher as our NEXT head coach.

Would he be available? don't know, but you can't get him if we don't
ask ! Good job Lzen...

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:29 AM
I have no idea who you are, but what kind of "man" takes to insulting a child?

On an internet message forum. Yeah, he's really tough. I don't know what the mods consider to be trolling, but I would think this qualifies. And not just for his lame insults to me.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:29 AM
Oh wow Cochise, the Chiefs have torn up the league at home in the playoffs. Does 13-3 and 1 and done ring a bell?

You're the moron who thinks we have some delusion of playoff superiority as Chiefs fans. No one here said we had done better. I just said we didn't want a perrenial playoff choker. We already had Marty. We don't need one of his clones.

You act like Cowher is some proven playoff coach. He has a LOSING record in the postseason. Look it up, assclamp.

Extra Point
11-14-2005, 09:29 AM
Yeah - I'm trying to figure out what team this turd is a fan of. Is this a 49ers fan, or what?

5for5SB is a Randy Cross clone. He posts about the Chiefs on this site as objectively as the master (of squirting horsey sauce) called yesterday's game.

It's all about liking to listen to yourself talk, isn't it, 5for5SOB? Tune shim him out.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:31 AM
Yeah yeah, we all heard the stories about going after Barry Sanders years ago. Same old song and dance every year. Bottom line, this organization is sorry and you will never, ever win with Carl Peterson.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:32 AM
5for5SB is a Randy Cross clone. He posts about the Chiefs on this site as objectively as the master (of squirting horsey sauce) called yesterday's game.

It's all about liking to listen to yourself talk, isn't it, 5for5SOB? Tune shim him out.

You know, I used to hate listening to Randy Cross. But I don't think he's been that bad this year. Actually, I think he's been pretty fair to the Chiefs considering what they've done this year. Just MO.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:32 AM
Does he have a chew can stain on his game pants?

Does he have Corky on the back of his jersey?

Don't be jealous that the kid in the picture gets to take his helmet off sometimes and you had to wear yours around 24/7.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:33 AM
That might just be, but he did go to a SB and he has been to the AFC championship as early as last year.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:33 AM
Yeah yeah, we all heard the stories about going after Barry Sanders years ago. Same old song and dance every year. Bottom line, this organization is sorry and you will never, ever win with Carl Peterson.

Hello, stupid ass. In case you didn't notice, a lot of Chiefs fans have said this about CP. Many Chiefs fans here want CP gone yesterday. Frankly, I would be happy if both he and Vermeil were gone after this season. I'm ready for a fresh start.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:35 AM
Talk all you want about owning the Raiders or having the most wins in the 90's or the best tailgating in football. It doesn't mean shit if you can't even win a football game, or if your GM keeps hosing draft picks.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:35 AM
That might just be, but he did go to a SB and he has been to the AFC championship as early as last year.

So, is it safe to assume that you're a Steelers fan?

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:37 AM
Don't be jealous that the kid in the picture gets to take his helmet off sometimes and you had to wear yours around 24/7.


This coming from a guy with anime for his picture. I bet the ladies are so in love with you.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:38 AM
That might just be, but he did go to a SB and he has been to the AFC championship as early as last year.

I thought you didn't like playoff choking? They shit the bed at home in the AFC championship. Cowher and his boys got punked in their own house in the AFC championship - 2004, 2001, 1997. He lost a Super bowl 10 years ago. Big deal. Vermeil has a more impressive resume than he does. I think all the tadpole soup you've been swallowing may be causing some nervous disfunction.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:38 AM
Talk all you want about owning the Raiders or having the most wins in the 90's or the best tailgating in football. It doesn't mean shit if you can't even win a football game, or if your GM keeps hosing draft picks.

Man, you really are dumb. Chiefs fans, for the most part, realize that we've struggled in the draft. That and the development of those picks. Of course, we have done well with guys like Larry Johnson and Derrick Johnson in recent years. And even Kawika Mitchell has turned out to be a solid 2nd rounder. But CPs history of 2nd round picks has been terrible. That, along with being terrible at picking defensive linemen has been something that pisses off a lot of Chiefs fans.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:39 AM
No, not a steelers fan. It doesn't matter what team I am a fan of. There are hundreds of you, and one of me. You guys will do the same thing over and over. I have already heard it. Don't think for one second that a new coach is going to change your fortune. Hell, you can bring back Bill Walsh to run the team and have Mike Martz run the O and Buddy Ryan run the D, there isn't enough talent on the team.

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:40 AM
Vermeil hasn't done anything with the Chiefs, so it doesn't matter

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:40 AM
Struggling is an understatement

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:40 AM
This coming from a guy with anime for his picture. I bet the ladies are so in love with you.

It isn't anime you f***tard.

We know ladies love you - to decorate their house, be their hairdresser, bake them carrot cake, talk about purses and high heels with. How's the weather out there in Than Franthithco today anyway?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:40 AM
No, not a steelers fan. It doesn't matter what team I am a fan of.

Scared, eh? ROFL

the Talking Can
11-14-2005, 09:42 AM
if we give up picks for another coach I'll cry....like I do every day as a Chiefs fan...we suck so bad..let's give up picks to hire Gun and then trade our 2008 #1 to get Hackett from Wal-Mart...

5for5SB
11-14-2005, 09:42 AM
Sorry I don't know the difference between anime and other crappy Japanese animation. Thanks for the correction.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:42 AM
Scared, eh? ROFL

Obviously, he's not a fan of a good team or he wouldn't be too ashamed to even mention their name.

At least we'll openly support our team. What a puss.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:42 AM
Then I guess the only team that would qualify with that handle would be the 49ers. I'm trying to figure out WTF a 9ers is doing on a Chiefs bb. And to top it off, talking trash about the Chiefs. ROFL

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 09:43 AM
I'm so glad we can read takes like these.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:44 AM
Obviously, he's not a fan of a good team or he wouldn't be too ashamed to even mention their name.

At least we'll openly support our team. What a puss.

Yep, I'm a Chiefs fan and have been for 16 years since I started watching them. Even through all the agony, I still will always support them.

Brock
11-14-2005, 09:44 AM
No, not a steelers fan. It doesn't matter what team I am a fan of. There are hundreds of you, and one of me. You guys will do the same thing over and over. I have already heard it. Don't think for one second that a new coach is going to change your fortune. Hell, you can bring back Bill Walsh to run the team and have Mike Martz run the O and Buddy Ryan run the D, there isn't enough talent on the team.

So you are a 49ers fan? Hell, no wonder you don't want to talk about it.

ExtremeChief
11-14-2005, 09:44 AM
Hey 5Xtroll...

headsnap
11-14-2005, 09:45 AM
Scared, eh? ROFL

5for5SB = Packfan ;)

GoTrav
11-14-2005, 09:45 AM
49ers ( 2-7-0 )

Passing
CP/AT YDS TD INT
C. Pickett 1/13 28 0 1

we should all be so lucky

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:46 AM
Then I guess the only team that would qualify with that handle would be the 49ers. I'm trying to figure out WTF a 9ers is doing on a Chiefs bb. And to top it off, talking trash about the Chiefs. ROFL

I dunno. I guess he's probably tired of thinking about his own team getting 50 hung on them by the vaunted Redskins offense, or the fact that it's been 3 weeks since they scored a touchdown.

jspchief
11-14-2005, 09:48 AM
I don't know why you guys keep responding to this troll. He's a pussy that can't even own up to what team he roots for.

Why hasn't 5BJsfor5boyfriends been banned yet? He's the epitomy of troll.

Cochise
11-14-2005, 09:50 AM
I don't know why you guys keep responding to this troll. He's a pussy that can't even own up to what team he roots for.

Why hasn't 5BJsfor5boyfriends been banned yet? He's the epitomy of troll.

Actually I'm kind of amused by the fact that he's so ashamed of his the team that he won't even mention them.

He's probably waiting until the Super Bowl to see what team he was a fan of this year.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:52 AM
Actually I'm kind of amused by the fact that he's so ashamed of his the team that he won't even mention them.

He's probably waiting until the Super Bowl to see what team he was a fan of this year.

I think you're onto something.
:shake:

Hey mods, is this the same guy?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=128945

KCFalcon59
11-14-2005, 09:53 AM
Yeah, thanks for that expert analysis. :rolleyes: He had 12 tackles in his game last week. He did his job very well and the coaches were singing his praises. He also plays some WR. He laid some devastating blocks, too.

But enough about that. Talk about the thread subject or STFU.

Hey Lzen, Is that a bucks helmet? My son played on their 3rd grade team. He had lots of fun.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 09:53 AM
5for5SB = Packfan ;)

Yep.

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:55 AM
Hey Lzen, Is that a bucks helmet? My son played on their 3rd grade team. He had lots of fun.

Why yes, yes it is. Wow, what a small world. What position is your son?

Lzen
11-14-2005, 09:56 AM
Yep.

Seriously? That loser is finally back now? ROFL OMG, of all people that don't know jack. Hey wait a sec. The Packers aren't 5 for 5 in SBs.

DaWolf
11-14-2005, 09:59 AM
Herm Edwards can kiss my ass.

I said this when DV was hired, if Carl can't win the Super bowl with his "dream coach" then he will never win the Super Bowl. The guy just doesn't get it. He waits a year too long to fire Robinson. He waits a year too long to upgrade the D. He totally ignores the wide reciever position when it's obvious that Gonzo needs a complimentary weapon to take the heat off of him. He keeps the Eric Hicks and Chris Horn's of the world employed. If someone would put more thought and effort into this team we could have won a Bowl by now. Instead he puts it out there and hopes that we get lucky or something. It's stupid the way he's gone about things these last few years especially. There have been so many opportunities we've missed. Carl and any coach he hires can go to hell...

Cochise
11-14-2005, 10:02 AM
Carl has screwed up for sure. But in the 90s we had teams put together that were good enough to win it. The Montana team that went down in Buffalo was good enough, the game just didn't work out in our favor. I think the 95 team was good enough too. It's not like he's never put a team together capable of winning the super bowl, they just haven't gotten it done the times that he has.

Brock
11-14-2005, 10:02 AM
Herm Edwards can kiss my ass.

I said this when DV was hired, if Carl can't win the Super bowl with his "dream coach" then he will never win the Super Bowl. The guy just doesn't get it. He waits a year too long to fire Robinson. He waits a year too long to upgrade the D. He totally ignores the wide reciever position when it's obvious that Gonzo needs a complimentary weapon to take the heat off of him. He keeps the Eric Hicks and Chris Horn's of the world employed. If someone would put more thought and effort into this team we could have won a Bowl by now. Instead he puts it out there and hopes that we get lucky or something. It's stupid the way he's gone about things these last few years especially. There have been so many opportunities we've missed. Carl and any coach he hires can go to hell...

That pretty much sums it up. I don't believe this Edwards talk for a minute. Gunther will be re-installed when Vermeil leaves.

KCFalcon59
11-14-2005, 10:05 AM
Why yes, yes it is. Wow, what a small world. What position is your son?

My son, actually a second grader playing on the third grade team and the smallest on the team, played noseguard. He was up against the biggest guys on the other teams every game. Kid gave it his all every play even though he got owned most of the time.

I am proud of him. He never complained. Just did his best every play. He had a couple sacks this year and some tackles behind the line. 2 fumble recoveries also. He did good.

Next season I will keep him on the 3rd grade team. Hopefully he will get a better position. I'd like to see him play running back or receiver. He is fast as hell. He just doesn't have the arm yet to play qb, but maybe down the road.

MichaelH
11-14-2005, 10:07 AM
Not that he's available but John Fox from the Panthers would bring this team right around.

DaWolf
11-14-2005, 10:10 AM
Carl has screwed up for sure. But in the 90s we had teams put together that were good enough to win it. The Montana team that went down in Buffalo was good enough, the game just didn't work out in our favor. I think the 95 team was good enough too. It's not like he's never put a team together capable of winning the super bowl, they just haven't gotten it done the times that he has.

True, and look I've defended Carl in the past for that reason too. On the other hand if he had put more thought into it back then too, those teams could have been much more dominant. With a D like we had, all we needed were a few offensive weapons. Yet we could never find a solid long term QB, we went through I don't know how many RB's, the best he could do at reciever was Andre Rison (while letting Joe Horn slip away), and so forth. There are just so many things we could have done better. 1996 still pisses me off the most because that was the season he decided to sit on his ass all offseason and do nothing, and i was screaming for him to make some upgrades because we won a lot in 1995 because the ball bounced our way. But no, nothing. Carl has just miscalculated one too many times.

As you can tell I'm just bitter right now... ;)

the Talking Can
11-14-2005, 10:16 AM
Herm Edwards can kiss my ass.

I said this when DV was hired, if Carl can't win the Super bowl with his "dream coach" then he will never win the Super Bowl. The guy just doesn't get it. He waits a year too long to fire Robinson. He waits a year too long to upgrade the D. He totally ignores the wide reciever position when it's obvious that Gonzo needs a complimentary weapon to take the heat off of him. He keeps the Eric Hicks and Chris Horn's of the world employed. If someone would put more thought and effort into this team we could have won a Bowl by now.

bingo

bingo

bingo

always reactive, never proactive....conservative, not aggressive....hence, we suck

Lzen
11-14-2005, 10:21 AM
My son, actually a second grader playing on the third grade team and the smallest on the team, played noseguard. He was up against the biggest guys on the other teams every game. Kid gave it his all every play even though he got owned most of the time.

I am proud of him. He never complained. Just did his best every play. He had a couple sacks this year and some tackles behind the line. 2 fumble recoveries also. He did good.

Next season I will keep him on the 3rd grade team. Hopefully he will get a better position. I'd like to see him play running back or receiver. He is fast as hell. He just doesn't have the arm yet to play qb, but maybe down the road.

Yeah, my son is one of the 3 or 4 smallest kids on the team. Last year, Greg saw that he was a hitter in practices. At midseason, he made my son a starter at right guard over a kid that was probably 1.5 to 2 times his size. He went up against bigger kids most every week. Sometimes he would put on a great block and other times he just wasn't big and strong enough to block the bigger kids. He did okay and won more of those matchups than not. And I think he really learned from that experience.

This year, the coaches made him WR and S. Makes more sense considering his size. He's more of a strong safety type player since he likes to put a stick on the opponent. Playing G last year helped him be a better blocker this year. Maybe your son will have a similar experience.

Dinny Blues
11-14-2005, 10:23 AM
5for5SB = Packfan ;)

You beat me to it.

The railing on Peterson reads the same.

Dinny

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 10:26 AM
Not that he's available but John Fox from the Panthers would bring this team right around.

John Fox's current DC is my candidate...

Mecca
11-14-2005, 10:30 AM
John Fox's current DC is my candidate...

I'd be for that, problem is knowing Carl, he won't hire a coach without head coaching experience.

BigRedChief
11-14-2005, 10:33 AM
John Fox's current DC is my candidate...

Fuk that, lets dream. Jeff Fisher all the way baby! We can come back to reality later.

CoMoChief
11-14-2005, 10:37 AM
Wasn't there something about how teams can't compensate other teams draft picks for coaches ever since the Jon Gruden Tampa Bay deal?

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 11:25 AM
Fuk that, lets dream. Jeff Fisher all the way baby! We can come back to reality later.

You're dreaming of a coach whose been at the same job a decade and hasn't won much of anything?

I'll pass.

BigRedChief
11-14-2005, 11:26 AM
You're dreaming of a coach whose been at the same job a decade and hasn't won much of anything?

I'll pass.

Wait a minute here. What coach has won something in the last 10 years and will be available? I'd like to see that list?

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 11:37 AM
Wait a minute here. What coach has won something in the last 10 years and will be available? I'd like to see that list?

It's not about finding a coach who has won something.

It's about avoiding coaches that have had TEN YEARS worth of chances and won nothing.

I want something NEW. I'm ****ing sick of rehashing somebody else's failures in KC.

Extra Point
11-14-2005, 11:41 AM
Wait a minute here. What coach has won something in the last 10 years and will be available? I'd like to see that list?

Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer.

Hey, how 'bout that Pete Carroll guy? Why don't we bring him in with #11 after #11 graduates?

:shrug:

MOhillbilly
11-14-2005, 11:44 AM
It's not about finding a coach who has won something.

It's about avoiding coaches that have had TEN YEARS worth of chances and won nothing.

I want something NEW. I'm ****ing sick of rehashing somebody else's failures in KC.
i still like Jerry Gray. But FKN noway to some rehash of a headcoach and add GM and front office staff to that aswell.
new blood that will mix things up good or bad.

shaneo69
11-14-2005, 11:48 AM
John Fox's current DC is my candidate...

Good news!! Trgovac was Marty's D-line coach in Washington.

:p

Mr. Laz
11-14-2005, 11:49 AM
i don't really want anyone that's linked with the current front office

not marty,gunther,Herm ... new blood is what we need imo

Rick
11-14-2005, 11:54 AM
No to Herman Edwards. No to giving up draft picks. If the Chiefs don't get the offense fixed with new people similiar to what we did last year on defense then people can just sit back and expect season at or below .500 for years to come. We better start grooming a QB cause when this line is done, Green is done. He is the product of a system and is not good enough to make plays on his own.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 11:57 AM
Good news!! Trgovac was Marty's D-line coach in Washington.

:p

I don't have a problem with that.

I have a problem with guys that have coached HERE, in KC, with Marty.

Hiring Saunders, or Cowher, or Edwards, to me, is just like hiring Gunther - trying to continue to "live the Marty life" without Marty.

Now if you'd said that Trgovac was a d-line coach in St. Louis, for Vermeil, then I'd be scratching him off my list...

:p

BigRedChief
11-14-2005, 12:02 PM
Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer.

Hey, how 'bout that Pete Carroll guy? Why don't we bring him in with #11 after #11 graduates?

:shrug:

I just don't see King Carl hiring a college coach.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 12:04 PM
I just don't see King Carl hiring a college coach.

I don't either. :(

shaneo69
11-14-2005, 12:06 PM
i don't really want anyone that's linked with the current front office

not marty,gunther,Herm ... new blood is what we need imo


I don't think Carl is capable of going outside of his comfort system, and IMO his comfort system consists of Herm, Cowher, and Gunther.

When Vermiel was hired, CP mentioned at least once that he thought Gunther was doing a good job as HC; he wouldn't have let him go except for the fact that Vermiel was available. CP said he had no other candidates for the job at that time and wasn't planning to make a change. So does anyone else think it's possible that CP would re-hire Gunther as HC if the Jets asked for excessive compensation for Herm?

I just don't see CP going outside the organizational tree.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 12:09 PM
I don't think Carl is capable of going outside of his comfort system, and IMO his comfort system consists of Herm, Cowher, and Gunther.

When Vermiel was hired, CP mentioned at least once that he thought Gunther was doing a good job as HC; he wouldn't have let him go except for the fact that Vermiel was available. CP said he had no other candidates for the job at that time and wasn't planning to make a change. So does anyone else think it's possible that CP would re-hire Gunther as HC if the Jets asked for excessive compensation for Herm?

I just don't see CP going outside the organizational tree.

I absolutely agree. I fully expect Edwards or Gunther to be HC next year.

DaWolf
11-14-2005, 12:52 PM
I just don't see King Carl hiring a college coach.
He would if they coached at UCLA...

Lzen
11-14-2005, 01:16 PM
He would if they coached at UCLA...

Karl Dorrell.

Ralphy Boy
11-14-2005, 01:24 PM
Wasn't there something about how teams can't compensate other teams draft picks for coaches ever since the Jon Gruden Tampa Bay deal?

Yes there was something said about this, in fact I'm almost certain it isn't allowed to be a draft pick compensation, although I'm not certain it could be just a monetary issue.

Ralphy Boy
11-14-2005, 01:30 PM
Yes there was something said about this, in fact I'm almost certain it isn't allowed to be a draft pick compensation, although I'm not certain it could be just a monetary issue.


found it link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs02/columnist/2003/0119/1495409.html) PHILADELPHIA -- Having posed with the George Halas Trophy, accepted the congratulations of friends and family and players, and donned a baseball cap commemorating his team's berth in Super Bowl XXXVII, Tampa Bay vice president Joel Glazer paused to consider the new NFL rule that precludes franchises from trading draft picks for coaches.
"Yeah, it's pretty ironic, isn't it?" said Glazer, the son of Buccaneers owner Malcolm Glazer and one of the men most responsible for brokering the deal that brought head coach Jon Gruden to Tampa Bay. "I don't know what the motivation is (for the rule). But it's great that it wasn't (enacted) a year ago."

dirk digler
11-14-2005, 01:32 PM
I absolutely agree. I fully expect Edwards or Gunther to be HC next year.

Honestly if Gunther becomes our HC, which is highly doubtful, I will boycott this team. This includes Martz as well.

Danush
11-14-2005, 01:32 PM
Edwards is a good coach, but others who are just as good can be had without compensation.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Honestly if Gunther becomes our HC, which is highly doubtful, I will boycott this team. This includes Martz as well.

I'm seriously considering a boycott if they hire Edwards, Martz, or Gunther.

dirk digler
11-14-2005, 01:50 PM
I'm seriously considering a boycott if they hire Edwards, Martz, or Gunther.

I am indifferent about Herm for the moment but I am with you about the other 2.

What do you think of Bob Stoops?

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 01:57 PM
I am indifferent about Herm for the moment but I am with you about the other 2.

What do you think of Bob Stoops?

I'd welcome Stoops. Fresh and new, a fiery coach with a defensive pedigree.

Plus, he's a Hayden protege...

stevieray
11-14-2005, 02:05 PM
Sorry I don't know the difference between anime and other crappy Japanese animation. Thanks for the correction.

look, it's the annual 'my daddy didn't give me any attention' poster.

Saulbadguy
11-14-2005, 02:06 PM
I wouldn't mind Herm, but I'd rather not our team give up picks for him like we did Vermeil. We will need those picks.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 02:07 PM
I wouldn't mind Herm, but I'd rather not our team give up picks for him like we did Vermeil. We will need those picks.

Not to mention Germ Edwards isn't worth those draft picks.

Rausch
11-14-2005, 02:07 PM
Edwards is a good coach, but others who are just as good can be had without compensation.

You can't trade draft picks for coaches anymore...

stevieray
11-14-2005, 02:10 PM
You can't trade draft picks for coaches anymore...

ironic, the rule changed after DV, like the blocking ruke changed after dante's big year, and the WR rule changed after the colts complained.

Saulbadguy
11-14-2005, 02:13 PM
Not to mention Germ Edwards isn't worth those draft picks.
Heh. Wonderful avatar. Daffy Duck, correct?

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 02:16 PM
Heh. Wonderful avatar. Daffy Duck, correct?

It's the avatar ENDelt260 bestowed upon me after my first "mod abuse" tirade.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5555/daffy2lg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Saulbadguy
11-14-2005, 02:18 PM
It's the avatar ENDelt260 bestowed upon me after my first "mod abuse" tirade.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5555/daffy2lg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Clever.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 02:28 PM
In five years of coaching he has had two good seasons, two really bad seasons and one mediocre. And those two really bad seasons have come in his last three. That isn't a resume I want if he came for free and it sure as hell isn't a coach worthy of draft pick compensation.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 02:32 PM
In five years of coaching he has had two good seasons, two really bad seasons and one mediocre. And those two really bad seasons have come in his last three. That isn't a resume I want if he came for free and it sure as hell isn't a coach worthy of draft pick compensation.

Bingo.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 02:45 PM
I just want to retain Gunther. I think it's obvious the defensive players believe in him.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 02:46 PM
I just want to retain Gunther. I think it's obvious the defensive players believe in him.


Are you being serious or sarcastic?

siberian khatru
11-14-2005, 02:48 PM
It's the avatar ENDelt260 bestowed upon me after my first "mod abuse" tirade.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5555/daffy2lg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


From the uber-classic "Duck Amuck."

Thig Lyfe
11-14-2005, 02:50 PM
Herm Edwards = Marty Schottenheimer + Dick Vermiel


NO THANKS!!!

The defense of Marty plus the offense of Vermeil? Wouldn't that equal a SB?


Personally I don't see what's wrong with Edwards other than that he's so close to Vermeil.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 02:50 PM
Are you being serious or sarcastic?

I'm serious. It's obvious we're building a good defense. Do you honestly think more turnover on the coaching staff is going to be a good thing?

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 02:54 PM
I'm serious. It's obvious we're building a good defense. Do you honestly think more turnover on the coaching staff is going to be a good thing?


That always depends on whether you bring in better or worse coaches...All factors being dead equal turnover is not ideal but when you change coaching staffs it is damn rare that it is equal, you either get a better or worse coaching staff...If it is a better one then that is a good thing, if it is a worse coaching staff then it is a really bad thing.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 02:58 PM
Personally I don't see what's wrong with Edwards other than that he's so close to Vermeil.


Nothing if you want to continue the Kansas City amazing tradition in mediocrity. Mediocrity is better than grabbing a turd like Norv Turner or Denny Green but as Herm would say "you play to win the games...". You play to win rings so you need to gamble on something that has a chance at a big upside not a known mediocre commodity.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 02:58 PM
OK, let's say it's a better coaching staff. Obviously they'll install a new defense.

Do you really think forcing these players to learn their third defense in 4-5 years is a good thing? I don't.

dirk digler
11-14-2005, 03:03 PM
I'm serious. It's obvious we're building a good defense. Do you honestly think more turnover on the coaching staff is going to be a good thing?

It is time to clean house on the coaching staff and start over.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:04 PM
OK, let's say it's a better coaching staff. Obviously they'll install a new defense.

Do you really think forcing these players to learn their third defense in 4-5 years is a good thing? I don't.


I don't think it is a good thing because it means they have sucked for several years or else there wouldn't have been so many changes. While they have improved from last year I am certainly not going to lose much sleep if we get rid of a DC that led us to the 31st rated defense last year and currently the 26th this year even after getting a lot of free agent money spent on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not saying run the guy out on a rail but if the overall coaching staff improved over what we currently have I certainly wouldn't be the least bit upset about losing Gun.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:04 PM
The defense of Marty plus the offense of Vermeil? Wouldn't that equal a SB?


Personally I don't see what's wrong with Edwards other than that he's so close to Vermeil.

What's wrong with Edwards? Playing not to lose? 37 wins, 32 losses?

Seriously, what's RIGHT with Edwards?

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
I'm serious. It's obvious we're building a good defense. Do you honestly think more turnover on the coaching staff is going to be a good thing?

As soon as you think Gunther has built a dominant defense, it falls off dramatically. The only thing Gunther is with any consistency is inconsistent...

Thig Lyfe
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
as Herm would say "you play to win the games...".

But doesn't that show the attitude that's been lacking? Going in it to win rather than preparing comments on how the schedule is so tough in case you lose?

stevieray
11-14-2005, 03:08 PM
I don't think it is a good thing because it means they have sucked for several years or else there wouldn't have been so many changes. While they have improved from last year I am certainly not going to lose much sleep if we get rid of a DC that led us to the 31st rated defense last year and currently the 26th this year even after getting a lot of free agent money spent on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not saying run the guy out on a rail but if the overall coaching staff improved over what we currently have I certainly wouldn't be the least bit upset about losing Gun.

I would. I'll predict that this defense plays well the rest of the season. Buffalo was the best first qtr team, outscoring 40-7. They gave us oppurtunity after another to win this game, the offense had seven trips into billl territory, yet produced 3 points.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:08 PM
But doesn't that show the attitude that's been lacking? Going in it to win rather than preparing comments on how the schedule is so tough in case you lose?


I was just making a joke with his now famous quote...All I care is what they get done on the field and while Herm hasn't been horrible by any means he has been very average and 20 years of average is enough for me.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:10 PM
I would. I'll predict that this defense plays well the rest of the season. Buffalo was the best first qtr team, outscoring 40-7. They gave us oppurtunity after another to win this game, the offense had seven trips into billl territory, yet produced 3 points.


What is your definition of well? Just better than they have been for the last several years or do you really mean well based on normal NFL standards ie top 10 in the league type of well?

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:15 PM
But doesn't that show the attitude that's been lacking? Going in it to win rather than preparing comments on how the schedule is so tough in case you lose?

It's called sarcasm.

Herm may say that you play to win, but he certainly doesn't practice it on the field...he's almost a clone of Marty...

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:17 PM
Buffalo was the best first qtr team, outscoring 40-7. .

There is also 4 quarters to a football game and Buffalo is the 25th ranked offense in the league....And that is only because Holcomb came in and greatly boosted those numbers. I believe it was 31st or 32nd when Losman was running the show and ironcially it was the Losman lead Bills that beat the defense for two big TD tosses.

The defense was good against a good back in MaGahee but giving up 17 points to the 25th rated offense isn't really anything to write home about.

Thig Lyfe
11-14-2005, 03:18 PM
It's called sarcasm.

Herm may say that you play to win, but he certainly doesn't practice it on the field...he's almost a clone of Marty...

Herm wasn't being sarcastic.


I think if Herm had KC's talent he'd be 6-2 right now.

shaneo69
11-14-2005, 03:19 PM
Herm lost my vote when he took a look at the collective work of Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett and said, yeah, I want them on my coaching staff and I trust them to run my offense.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:22 PM
Herm wasn't being sarcastic.


I think if Herm had KC's talent he'd be 6-2 right now.

DUH. Naptown was being sarcastic.

Herm was being dishonest.

And he may well have been able to get this team to 6-2. He'd still be 0-1 in the playoffs...

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:23 PM
Herm lost my vote when he took a look at the collective work of Jimmy Raye and Paul Hackett and said, yeah, I want them on my coaching staff and I trust them to run my offense.

Exactly.....That is huge knock on him...Herm doesn't even really have a offensive philosophy, he is at the mercy of what ever OC he can find to take the job...And if he happens to find a good one his team is in jeopardy of being left holding the bag if that OC get his own HC job.

Brad Childress would be my top choice at the moment...He sure as hell doesn't play not to lose.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:25 PM
Exactly.....That is huge knock on him...Herm doesn't even really have a offensive philosophy, he is at the mercy of what ever OC he can find to take the job...And if he happens to find a good one his team is in jeopardy of being left holding the bag if that OC get his on HC job.

Brad Childress would be my top choice at the moment...He sure as hell doesn't play not to lose.

The only thing that bothers me about Childress is that his offense doesn't seem to run the ball...ever...

Cochise
11-14-2005, 03:25 PM
I'd rather have Saunders than Edwards.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 03:30 PM
The only thing that bothers me about Childress is that his offense doesn't seem to run the ball...ever...

It's a good point. This made me think otherwise:


Prior to joining the Eagles, Childress orchestrated one of the nation's most productive offenses at the University of Wisconsin, where he served as offensive coordinator and QBs coach from 1992-98.

During his eight-year tenure at Wisconsin, the team played in five bowl games, including Rose Bowl victories over UCLA in 1994 and in 1998. In 93, the Badgers set a school record and ranked fourth in Big Ten Conference history with 455.2 yards per game. QB Darrell Bevell (QBs coach at Green Bay), RB Ron Dayne, and WR Lee DeRamus all flourished under Childress.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:32 PM
I'd rather have Saunders than Edwards.

And I'd rather have my arm amputated at the elbow rather than the shoulder...

;)

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:33 PM
The only thing that bothers me about Childress is that his offense doesn't seem to run the ball...ever...


I really believe that to be the Andy Reid influence since Reid is on record as saying "I would never run the ball if I had it my way..."

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:34 PM
And I'd rather have my arm amputated at the elbow rather than the shoulder...

;)



ROFL

stevieray
11-14-2005, 03:34 PM
There is also 4 quarters to a football game and Buffalo is the 25th ranked offense in the league....And that is only because Holcomb came in and greatly boosted those numbers. I believe it was 31st or 32nd when Losman was running the show and ironcially it was the Losman lead Bills that beat the defense for two big TD tosses.

The defense was good against a good back in MaGahee but giving up 17 points to the 25th rated offense isn't really anything to write home about.

holding the home team to 14 points is.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:34 PM
It's a good point. This made me think otherwise:

Damn, I forgot he was OC up there while Dayne was setting NCAA records. Bill Callahan was there too. Maybe the fact that the Eagles don't run the ball says more about McNabb and (especially) Westbrook...maybe that's a sign that Childress uses what he has, which would be a VERY refreshing change from what we have now...

stevieray
11-14-2005, 03:36 PM
What is your definition of well? Just better than they have been for the last several years or do you really mean well based on normal NFL standards ie top 10 in the league type of well?

i think they'll be heading towards top ten by the end of the year.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:37 PM
holding the home team to 14 points is.



It is definitely a good day, I'm not pretending it isn't....if it were done against a top 10 offense then it would be a great day however against a 25th ranked offense it is very solid but again nothing to write home about.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:38 PM
i think they'll be heading towards top ten by the end of the year.


I sure hope so....If Carlos Hall keeps seeing the field and helping Allen get pressure in the backfield it is certainly possible....

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:40 PM
I really believe that to be the Andy Reid influence since Reid is on record as saying "I would never run the ball if I had it my way..."

I had forgotten that too. Good point.

stevieray
11-14-2005, 03:40 PM
It is definitely a good day, I'm not pretending it isn't....if it were done against a top 10 offense then it would be a great day however against a 25th ranked offense it is very solid but again nothing to write home about.

mcgahee has been lighting teams up. They held a25th rated offense to 200 total yards. sounds about right.

other than two plays, one unpreventable, they stepped up major. the Bills didn't score till late in the second qtr, points from a TO, IIRC.

htismaqe
11-14-2005, 03:41 PM
I sure hope so....If Carlos Hall keeps seeing the field and helping Allen get pressure in the backfield it is certainly possible....

I thought Hall looked good. He just has to stay healthy. Of course, Vermeil seems to not like him as well...

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 03:43 PM
Damn, I forgot he was OC up there while Dayne was setting NCAA records. Bill Callahan was there too. Maybe the fact that the Eagles don't run the ball says more about McNabb and (especially) Westbrook...maybe that's a sign that Childress uses what he has, which would be a VERY refreshing change from what we have now...

IMO it's Andy Reid.

NaptownChief
11-14-2005, 03:47 PM
mcgahee has been lighting teams up. They held a25th rated offense to 200 total yards. sounds about right.

other than two plays, one unpreventable, they stepped up major. the Bills didn't score till late in the second qtr, points from a TO, IIRC.

They played well and if it weren't for Warfield's two big plays it would have been a statistical ass whipping performance.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here but you do have to put it in perspective. In the four games that Losman was running the Bills they scored 22, 3, 16 and 7 points with the 22 coming against the woeful Texans in week 1. So with him under center they have been horrid on offense against everyone except the absolute worst team in the league and even then just posted 22 points.

Count Zarth
11-14-2005, 04:12 PM
It's not like Evans was wide open. I don't know when Losman learned to throw an accurate downfield pass, but what a bitch that it had to come this week.

Tribal Warfare
11-15-2005, 06:35 PM
Clayton said Edwards is not in the picture at this point.