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zambonidriver
11-27-2005, 06:59 PM
How can I put this? I hate the one-point place kicked point after touchdown. Anything that is so routine that it happens as planned 99.9999% of the time is just boring. Let's just make touchdowns worth 7 points and do away with that type of place kick. (I don't like FGs either but that's another rant.)

Goal line stands, on the other hand, are thrilling. Let's make it so every the point after touchdown is a play from scrimmage, like the two pointer is now.

What do you say?

LiL stumppy
11-27-2005, 07:23 PM
It wont ever happen

KCChiefsMan
11-27-2005, 07:29 PM
so then there wouldn't be an option for a 2 point conversion? every touchdown worth 7 points and thats that. OR a 1 point conversion after a TD....thats the worst idea I've heard

KCChiefsFan88
11-27-2005, 07:31 PM
Yesterday the Miami 'Canes missed 2 extra points, they weren't blocked or anything the kicker just flat out missed them and he's missed like 4 on the season.

chiefsfaninNC
11-27-2005, 07:32 PM
You must be a Giants fan. Sorry your kicker sucks.

milkman
11-27-2005, 07:33 PM
How about a 1 pt conversion with the ball placed a half yard from the goal line, and a 2 pt conversion with the ball placed at the 2 yard line.

Guru
11-27-2005, 07:40 PM
How about a 1 pt conversion with the ball placed a half yard from the goal line, and a 2 pt conversion with the ball placed at the 2 yard line.

Now this, I would go for.

Baconeater
11-27-2005, 07:53 PM
How about if the kicker has to kick the x pt with no line protection?

zambonidriver
11-28-2005, 11:04 AM
How about a 1 pt conversion with the ball placed a half yard from the goal line, and a 2 pt conversion with the ball placed at the 2 yard line.


That's even better than my original idea, except I'd make a 1-pointer from the 1 yard line and a 2-pointer be from the 3 yard line. Touchdowns would still be worth 6. Extra point place kicks are tedious and boring, even if the Hurricanes have missed 4 this season. Big whoop.

Phobia
11-28-2005, 11:13 AM
I'd say you undervalue special teams. That play isn't routine. A lot of practice time is spent perfecting PAT's. That's why teams have positions dedicated to specialists. Why don't we just eliminate kickers and punters from the game altogether?

broncoholic
11-28-2005, 12:08 PM
Why not just kick XPs from the 20 yd line...a 37 yd XP would make it more interesting.

Phobia
11-28-2005, 12:18 PM
Why not just kick XPs from the 20 yd line...a 37 yd XP would make it more interesting.

Now that's a good thought.

Ultra Peanut
11-28-2005, 12:36 PM
You must be a Giants fan. Sorry your kicker sucks.
http://jayfailey.ytmnd.com/ (just as a warning, that's tremendously loud)

How about this?

Calcountry
11-28-2005, 01:00 PM
You must be a Giants fan. Sorry your kicker sucks.ROFL

jidar
11-28-2005, 01:09 PM
Why not just kick XPs from the 20 yd line...a 37 yd XP would make it more interesting.

best idea yet. I guess Bronco fans are good for something after all.

;)

Calcountry
11-28-2005, 01:16 PM
How about a 1 pt conversion with the ball placed a half yard from the goal line, and a 2 pt conversion with the ball placed at the 2 yard line.Why stop there? Place the ball on the 28 yard line, and the conversion is worth 3 points, yes, they can kick it if they want. They can kick or run it in from any of the 3 spots, but they would be worth what they are worth, and the 2 pointer should be spotted at the 13 yard line, the one pointer at the 3 yard line. They have the option to kick any of them, or run them in.

This is football, and it has rugby at its roots, doesn't it?

They should make a drop kick worth 10 points because no one has done one in a hundred years.

Fair catches should award the other team one point. I also like the canadian thing of the touchbacks being worth one point also.

They should have unlimited referee challenges, with no penalties to time outs, but if you miss a challenge, the other team is awarded one point for you slowing the fing game down.

They should make a second crossbar that goes parallel to the one that is 10' high, it being 20' high, and if the ball goes over that one, the team gets an additional point added to the field goal, of course this rule doesn't apply to extra points.

Punts out of bounds, should award the receiving team, one point.

Kickoffs out of bounds, should give the receiving team the option of taking it at the spot+15 yards+ one point, or penalizing the team 10 yards and kicking it over.

Oh, and I almost forgot, any personal fouls, the 15 yard variety, that is taken by an offense that results in a half the distance penalty, ought to award the offended team one point. Conversely, the defensive team, that takes a personal foul when they are about to give up a score, and results in a half the distance penalty, awards the offensive team, one point.

Some of this is fun, but some may add to the excitement of a game by putting meaningful punishments and rewards directly the quality of the play and decision making by the coaches. What do you think?

zambonidriver
11-29-2005, 08:12 AM
I'd say you undervalue special teams. That play isn't routine. A lot of practice time is spent perfecting PAT's. That's why teams have positions dedicated to specialists. Why don't we just eliminate kickers and punters from the game altogether?



How can you say with a straight face that the current PAT isn't routine? I exaggerated in my OP, but even if the success rate is "only" 95 percent that still counts as routine and humdrum in my book.

That the teams all practice it goes without saying. Of course they practice it. They've practiced it and become so proficient at it that it is no longer of any interest. There isn't much drama in it. It is an afterthought before the next commercial break. What I want to do is to make the PAT interesting.

joesomebody
11-29-2005, 08:28 AM
How about we stick with what works... They tried the XFL remember? The NFL is the most popular sport in America (Sans NASCAR which isn't a sport.)

Don't mess it up. I think an NFL kicker is one of the most interesting jobs in the world.

Amnorix
11-29-2005, 08:31 AM
Basically, you're talking about a rules change that favors offensive-oriented teams. Or, should I say, YET ANOTHER rule change that favors offensive-oriented teams.

How 'bout no?

morphius
11-29-2005, 08:32 AM
I'd say you undervalue special teams. That play isn't routine. A lot of practice time is spent perfecting PAT's. That's why teams have positions dedicated to specialists. Why don't we just eliminate kickers and punters from the game altogether?
We could just let the QB throw the ball on 4th down, instead of punting, which could make fakes really interesting.

jidar
11-29-2005, 09:42 AM
Basically, you're talking about a rules change that favors offensive-oriented teams. Or, should I say, YET ANOTHER rule change that favors offensive-oriented teams.

How 'bout no?

Making it worth 1 point but putting it further out would be in favor of the defense. I really don't see any reason not to do that, who watches extra points anyway? Usually if I see a TD scored I know I've got time to make a run to the fridge before the next kickoff.

zambonidriver
11-30-2005, 08:14 AM
How about we stick with what works... They tried the XFL remember? The NFL is the most popular sport in America (Sans NASCAR which isn't a sport.)

Don't mess it up. I think an NFL kicker is one of the most interesting jobs in the world.


The NFL isn't above copying the XFL, as playoff games on Saturday nights proves. The NFL already has a competition committee that constantly looks at at tinkers with the rules. They make changes to the rules all the time. You can't seriously argue that you like watching extra point kicks, unless you also like watching grass grow or paint dry.

(And BTW, NASCAR isn't really the second most popular sport. TV ratings are an unfair method to rate a sports popularity, and compare apples to grapefruits. For instance, nascar likes to say its ratings are higher than baseball's, which ignores the fact that baseball puts on 15 events every day during the summer, each of which is televised locally, while Nascar puts on 1 event every weekend, which is televised nationally. Nascar ignores the local viewers and concentrates only on the national ratings, which is unfair. Baseball's viewership per week is thus much higher than nascar's can ever hope to be.)

Skip Towne
11-30-2005, 08:27 AM
Why stop there? Place the ball on the 28 yard line, and the conversion is worth 3 points, yes, they can kick it if they want. They can kick or run it in from any of the 3 spots, but they would be worth what they are worth, and the 2 pointer should be spotted at the 13 yard line, the one pointer at the 3 yard line. They have the option to kick any of them, or run them in.

This is football, and it has rugby at its roots, doesn't it?

They should make a drop kick worth 10 points because no one has done one in a hundred years.

Fair catches should award the other team one point. I also like the canadian thing of the touchbacks being worth one point also.

They should have unlimited referee challenges, with no penalties to time outs, but if you miss a challenge, the other team is awarded one point for you slowing the fing game down.

They should make a second crossbar that goes parallel to the one that is 10' high, it being 20' high, and if the ball goes over that one, the team gets an additional point added to the field goal, of course this rule doesn't apply to extra points.

Punts out of bounds, should award the receiving team, one point.

Kickoffs out of bounds, should give the receiving team the option of taking it at the spot+15 yards+ one point, or penalizing the team 10 yards and kicking it over.

Oh, and I almost forgot, any personal fouls, the 15 yard variety, that is taken by an offense that results in a half the distance penalty, ought to award the offended team one point. Conversely, the defensive team, that takes a personal foul when they are about to give up a score, and results in a half the distance penalty, awards the offensive team, one point.

Some of this is fun, but some may add to the excitement of a game by putting meaningful punishments and rewards directly the quality of the play and decision making by the coaches. What do you think?
Are you insane?