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Gaz
11-28-2005, 08:18 AM
THE GOOD STUFF:
• That was the D I hoped Gunther would bring to town. Attack the backfield and feast on Enemy miscues. I love you, Gun!

• The loss of Holmes diminishes certain aspects of our rushing attack [the perimeter and passing games], but Johnson brings a nice set of skills to the table. Speed, power and a big old dose of ‘tude. I would like to see more swing passes to him. Johnson Vs a DB brings a smile to my face.

• Jared Allen is fun to watch. The hit he put on Brady [which ended up being an incomplete pass] was textbook. Wrap him up, put him on his back and then fall on him. A classic QB crushing.

• Green was on-target yesterday. Maybe having Big Willie in there increases the comfort level.

• Mitchell continues to impress me. It is a good thing that the staff ignored the fans when they screamed “bust” over Kawika. I am also very impressed with Johnson. I can only hope that Bell will make more of an impact in the future. On the whole, the Chiefs’ LB corps has gone from a weakness to a strength.

• Parker did a fine job. Nary a drop that I can recall. And good games from Gonzalez, Kennison and Hall.

• One more time, thank goodness for Colquitt & Tynes. How refreshing to feel confident about the kickers.

• Great game by the much-maligned secondary. Big hits in run support and good coverage on the Patriots’ WRs. 4 INTs is a nice, round number.

• Willie is back.

• Brady’s QB rating was dreadful. Good stuff.

• The Arrowhead crowd was great. Several time outs can be credited to the noise. They brought their A game.

THE NOT-SO-GOOD STUFF:
• Special Teams blocking and coverage teams are pretty bad. We are either out of position or blocking in the back. A little more discipline, please.

• Red Zone Offense. 4 FGs is 12 points, but a couple of TDs would have iced the game much earlier. Personally, I think this will improve as Roaf gets back into game form.

• We need more push from the DTs. We will get Sims back, but I expect him to take a while to get into game form.

• Willie showed some rust. He was flat-out abused on one of Green’s sacks. The big guy is recovering from a hamstring, so he gets a lot of slack.

I simply do not care if the Patriots were riddled with injury. We dominated a team that we should have dominated. We righteously abused the NFL’s “golden boy” QB and won another “must win” game.

I need no disclaimers to enjoy this victory.

xoxo~
Gaz
Basking in the afterglow.

Molitoth
11-28-2005, 08:25 AM
good post... as always.

Rain Man
11-28-2005, 08:29 AM
I'm pleased with a win any time, too, and was delighted at Willie's return. I don't recall the play where he got abused, but I remember being mystified at one Trent Green sack where Shields and Welbourne were double-teaming Ty Warren, and it looked like they just let him through. I don't know if each thought the other had him under control, but they simply parted like the Red Sea and then stood there while he sacked Trent. That was weird.

Oh, and sorry about all that "Kawika is a bust" stuff. That was me.

the Talking Can
11-28-2005, 08:38 AM
Mostly agree....

Push from our DL is just a problem we have to live with (Sims may help that) and I think sometimes Dalton/Browning wear down in the 2nd half...BUT they rarely get blown off the line and hence our much improved run D.

Pass protection was much better, even on the right side (Welbourne or Black??) and Trent looked a lot calmer which just proves the obvious point that pressure affects a QB, whether it is Green or Brady.

We still have problems running to the right, but up the middle our guys beat their guys, and their guys were starters, not backups.

LOVE the way LJ runs and gets ups and walks forward and taunts the D. He took some wicked hits but never backed down.

Sammie Parker gets more separation than any of our WRs. I hope he's got the dropsy’s figured out, he adds a lot...that 3rd down catch in the rain was clutch.

Kris Wilson?

AS abandons the run inside the 20, imho. I hope we get that figured out.

Our LBs are fun to watch, though I wish they got to the QB more. We get little pressure up the middle from either our DTs or our LBs. It all comes from the edges with our DEs and corner blitzes.

I still have no memory of Bell playing. He seems like a ghost to me. But I've read plausible explanations for his help against the run so I'm willing to believe that he's playing well, even though I don't see it. I hate seeing him in coverge though...we dropped him and rushed Mitchell on a 3rd and 8 they converted and I was thinking we should have done the exact opposite. Oh well.

The Defense is playing with supreme confidence. I hope it holds even if we go down early against Denver. Denver is the true test for Gunther, our D, Trent, and our Team.

Extra Point
11-28-2005, 08:42 AM
Hoping Willie Roaf will get better is in vain. He gets kudos big-time, for playing the way he does at the age he is; same for Will Shields. Willie Roaf and Will Shields are probably done this season, so they are making the best with what they have. Great tribute to Will Shields for playing 200+ games for us.

Lining up Jared Allen as D-Tackle is not a good thing. He is a non-throwing arm-side DE, and is best used at that position.

The 12th man was the biggest factor in this game, although 9/10 seats were filled. I hope the Chiefs can do well against the Broncs, and on the road. Road wins will be the factor in our chances to make the playoffs.

siberian khatru
11-28-2005, 08:42 AM
• Green was on-target yesterday. Maybe having Big Willie in there increases the comfort level.



I meant to post something to that effect after the game. I thought right from the start that Green looked a lot more confident -- as if he knew he didn't have to worry about the left side, he could just concentrate on reading the D downfield. I wonder if with Black in there, it wasn't just the pressure he got, but the EXPECTATION of pressure whenever he dropped back that rattled him.

Willie is his security blanket.

Stinger
11-28-2005, 08:59 AM
I would like to add 1 more to the GOOD column. I have been one of his critics, but I got to give credit where credit is due. Warfield IMO played another solid game. He seems to be wrapping up and playing with more of Guns attitude. I am not ready to say he has turned the corner yet but he is half way down the block.

Coogs
11-28-2005, 09:00 AM
Pass protection was much better, even on the right side (Welbourne or Black??) and Trent looked a lot calmer which just proves the obvious point that pressure affects a QB, whether it is Green or Brady.

I still believe the move to more play action passing is a big reason the pass protection is better. The fake to LJ up the middle slows everybody on the defense down for a split second.

kregger
11-28-2005, 09:07 AM
I still believe the move to more play action passing is a big reason the pass protection is better. The fake to LJ up the middle slows everybody on the defense down for a split second.

It sure sets up a nice pocket for TG. He was stepping into his passes yesterday, not throwing off his back foot. LJ lookoed better at picking up blocks when the play action was called.

donkhater
11-28-2005, 09:11 AM
A couple things to add:

1. KC really needs to think about getting Dee Brown some reps. LJ's tounge is going to be hanging out shortly. Doesn't need to be much. 5-6 carries a game would mean a lot. T-Rich IS NOT A GOOD RUNNER at this stage in his career. He is an H-back at best.

2. Wilson and Dunn would be nice options at the goalline. Instead of sending only Gonzo into the endzone with 3 guys covering him, why not try Wilson? Remind me NEVER to by the crapola coming out of Arrowhead on Draft day again. What is that, 3 catches in his career? Some weapon.

3. Don't think that LJ's fumbling is a fluke. That's 3 lost fumbles this year. I noticed and wrote on this forumn in week one that he would cough up the ball regularly this season. all you have to do is watch how he holds it. If not corrected, it will happen again and likely cost us a game like the first two did.

HemiEd
11-28-2005, 09:18 AM
Greg Wesley has had six interceptions in the last six games, he is one off of the AFC lead. I hope this trend continues, would be nice to see him ruin Plummer's day. :D

Hoover
11-28-2005, 09:24 AM
While Willie has some rust, I thought he looked good, I saw him running after a play which is a good sign.

The Defense was great, while Indy has been the talk of the town, I think by the end of the year our unit will be getting some props. Thank you Gun!

John_Wayne
11-28-2005, 09:24 AM
THE GOOD STUFF:
• That was the D I hoped Gunther would bring to town. Attack the backfield and feast on Enemy miscues. I love you, Gun!

• The loss of Holmes diminishes certain aspects of our rushing attack [the perimeter and passing games], but Johnson brings a nice set of skills to the table. Speed, power and a big old dose of ‘tude. I would like to see more swing passes to him. Johnson Vs a DB brings a smile to my face.

• Jared Allen is fun to watch. The hit he put on Brady [which ended up being an incomplete pass] was textbook. Wrap him up, put him on his back and then fall on him. A classic QB crushing.

• Green was on-target yesterday. Maybe having Big Willie in there increases the comfort level.

• Mitchell continues to impress me. It is a good thing that the staff ignored the fans when they screamed “bust” over Kawika. I am also very impressed with Johnson. I can only hope that Bell will make more of an impact in the future. On the whole, the Chiefs’ LB corps has gone from a weakness to a strength.

• Parker did a fine job. Nary a drop that I can recall. And good games from Gonzalez, Kennison and Hall.

• One more time, thank goodness for Colquitt & Tynes. How refreshing to feel confident about the kickers.

• Great game by the much-maligned secondary. Big hits in run support and good coverage on the Patriots’ WRs. 4 INTs is a nice, round number.

• Willie is back.

• Brady’s QB rating was dreadful. Good stuff.

• The Arrowhead crowd was great. Several time outs can be credited to the noise. They brought their A game.

THE NOT-SO-GOOD STUFF:
• Special Teams blocking and coverage teams are pretty bad. We are either out of position or blocking in the back. A little more discipline, please.

• Red Zone Offense. 4 FGs is 12 points, but a couple of TDs would have iced the game much earlier. Personally, I think this will improve as Roaf gets back into game form.

• We need more push from the DTs. We will get Sims back, but I expect him to take a while to get into game form.

• Willie showed some rust. He was flat-out abused on one of Green’s sacks. The big guy is recovering from a hamstring, so he gets a lot of slack.

I simply do not care if the Patriots were riddled with injury. We dominated a team that we should have dominated. We righteously abused the NFL’s “golden boy” QB and won another “must win” game.

I need no disclaimers to enjoy this victory.

xoxo~
Gaz
Basking in the afterglow.


Gaz, as usual, you are spot on.

Phobia
11-28-2005, 09:25 AM
The Kawika Mitchell bust stuff is mostly my fault. The guy can't make a play running downfield so Gunther stopped moving him downfield. The guy is excellent in traffic and moving laterally. Gunther has done a stellar job with his development. Props for both Gunther and Mitchell.

Raiderhader
11-28-2005, 09:32 AM
The Kawika Mitchell bust stuff is mostly my fault. The guy can't make a play running downfield so Gunther stopped moving him downfield. The guy is excellent in traffic and moving laterally. Gunther has done a stellar job with his development. Props for both Gunther and Mitchell.



As well as the Roys.

Phobia
11-28-2005, 09:34 AM
As well as the Roys.

Nah - there were very few people high on KM after last year. He looked terrible. Gun has harnessed his strengths and done an incredible job of it, too.

jspchief
11-28-2005, 09:35 AM
A couple things to add:

1. KC really needs to think about getting Dee Brown some reps. LJ's tounge is going to be hanging out shortly. Doesn't need to be much. 5-6 carries a game would mean a lot. T-Rich IS NOT A GOOD RUNNER at this stage in his career. He is an H-back at best.

2. Wilson and Dunn would be nice options at the goalline. Instead of sending only Gonzo into the endzone with 3 guys covering him, why not try Wilson? Remind me NEVER to by the crapola coming out of Arrowhead on Draft day again. What is that, 3 catches in his career? Some weapon.

3. Don't think that LJ's fumbling is a fluke. That's 3 lost fumbles this year. I noticed and wrote on this forumn in week one that he would cough up the ball regularly this season. all you have to do is watch how he holds it. If not corrected, it will happen again and likely cost us a game like the first two did.

1. Agree completely. LJ has had 30+ carries and 35+ touches in two straight games now. He won't do us any good if we run him into the ground, and he's going to have to work a lot harder on those carries in the next few games against tough run defenses. Even if it's only 5 touches, it takes a little load off and prepares Brown for more carries if needed. Too bad we didn't give ourselves garbage time vs the Pats like we should have, it would have been a nice time to get some grass stains on Brown.

2. Kris Wilson, match-up nightmare.

3. No comment.

Raiderhader
11-28-2005, 09:38 AM
Nah - there were very few people high on KM after last year. He looked terrible. Gun has harnessed his strengths and done an incredible job of it, too.


So first you say it was mostly your fault, now you are saying that most everyone was saying it.

Color me confused.

Raiderhader
11-28-2005, 09:40 AM
3. No comment.


ROFL Yeah, it really isn't worth it at this point.

Bob Dole
11-28-2005, 09:41 AM
• Mitchell continues to impress me. It is a good thing that the staff ignored the fans when they screamed “bust” over Kawika. I am also very impressed with Johnson. I can only hope that Bell will make more of an impact in the future. On the whole, the Chiefs’ LB corps has gone from a weakness to a strength.

On one running play in the 1st, Bell blew the offensive lineman 2 yards into the backfield. He needs to do that every play.

siberian khatru
11-28-2005, 09:42 AM
3. Don't think that LJ's fumbling is a fluke. That's 3 lost fumbles this year. I noticed and wrote on this forumn in week one that he would cough up the ball regularly this season. all you have to do is watch how he holds it. If not corrected, it will happen again and likely cost us a game like the first two did.

Congratulations, Penchief will be on your ass shortly.

Phobia
11-28-2005, 09:42 AM
So first you say it was mostly your fault, now you are saying that most everyone was saying it.

Color me confused.

Bah - "mostly my fault" means nothing. I don't actually think I influence board opinion on players that greatly. I'm just adding some levity to the discussion. Everyone was down on KM. I can't think of a person who defended him legitimately. Maybe gochiefs but that was mostly in response to III's bashing IMO.

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 09:48 AM
3. Don't think that LJ's fumbling is a fluke. That's 3 lost fumbles this year. I noticed and wrote on this forumn in week one that he would cough up the ball regularly this season. all you have to do is watch how he holds it. If not corrected, it will happen again and likely cost us a game like the first two did.

My God, we have a prophet among us?

Are we gonna hear how right you are every time he holds the ball wrong?

How do you explain the 200+ touches last year without ONE FUMBLE?

I'm waiting with baited breath...

bringbackmarty
11-28-2005, 09:50 AM
Bah - "mostly my fault" means nothing. I don't actually think I influence board opinion on players that greatly. I'm just adding some levity to the discussion. Everyone was down on KM. I can't think of a person who defended him legitimately. Maybe gochiefs but that was mostly in response to III's bashing IMO.
shut the **** up barbara, and go get me some hookers, you dirty bitch.
seriously,
I thought KM sucked, and all I got so say now is, it's about time, bitch.
d-up bitches.
5 games to go before we know......

Raiderhader
11-28-2005, 09:51 AM
Bah - "mostly my fault" means nothing. I don't actually think I influence board opinion on players that greatly. I'm just adding some levity to the discussion. Everyone was down on KM. I can't think of a person who defended him legitimately. Maybe gochiefs but that was mostly in response to III's bashing IMO.


I defended him. I thought he was put in a bad situation as a rookie and deserved a chance to grow under Gun. Thankfully he got that chance and it paid off.

Were he still playing this year the way he was last year I'd be on the bust bandwagon as well. But last year was too soon to go there, especially given the circumstances.

MOhillbilly
11-28-2005, 09:59 AM
AL better get on board w/ what works w/ LJ.punish-punish-punish.

Gone are the days of PH carving an edge to the pylon and here are the days of having to rely on fickle recievers to make touchdown plays in the redzone.
IMO
id rather see our older line stay home - block and punish, than have the old farts out in space.

ROYC75
11-28-2005, 10:07 AM
THE GOOD STUFF:
• That was the D I hoped Gunther would bring to town. Attack the backfield and feast on Enemy miscues. I love you, Gun!

• The loss of Holmes diminishes certain aspects of our rushing attack [the perimeter and passing games], but Johnson brings a nice set of skills to the table. Speed, power and a big old dose of ‘tude. I would like to see more swing passes to him. Johnson Vs a DB brings a smile to my face.

• Jared Allen is fun to watch. The hit he put on Brady [which ended up being an incomplete pass] was textbook. Wrap him up, put him on his back and then fall on him. A classic QB crushing.

• Green was on-target yesterday. Maybe having Big Willie in there increases the comfort level.

• Mitchell continues to impress me. It is a good thing that the staff ignored the fans when they screamed “bust” over Kawika. I am also very impressed with Johnson. I can only hope that Bell will make more of an impact in the future. On the whole, the Chiefs’ LB corps has gone from a weakness to a strength.

• Parker did a fine job. Nary a drop that I can recall. And good games from Gonzalez, Kennison and Hall.

• One more time, thank goodness for Colquitt & Tynes. How refreshing to feel confident about the kickers.

• Great game by the much-maligned secondary. Big hits in run support and good coverage on the Patriots’ WRs. 4 INTs is a nice, round number.

• Willie is back.

• Brady’s QB rating was dreadful. Good stuff.

• The Arrowhead crowd was great. Several time outs can be credited to the noise. They brought their A game.

THE NOT-SO-GOOD STUFF:
• Special Teams blocking and coverage teams are pretty bad. We are either out of position or blocking in the back. A little more discipline, please.

• Red Zone Offense. 4 FGs is 12 points, but a couple of TDs would have iced the game much earlier. Personally, I think this will improve as Roaf gets back into game form.

• We need more push from the DTs. We will get Sims back, but I expect him to take a while to get into game form.

• Willie showed some rust. He was flat-out abused on one of Green’s sacks. The big guy is recovering from a hamstring, so he gets a lot of slack.

I simply do not care if the Patriots were riddled with injury. We dominated a team that we should have dominated. We righteously abused the NFL’s “golden boy” QB and won another “must win” game.

I need no disclaimers to enjoy this victory.

xoxo~
Gaz
Basking in the afterglow.



Yep, happy as can be after that win.

The only negatives I have is AS play calling in the red zone , 2nd qtr.
Defense did look good, continues to improve, but Brady was having an off day.
Still pissed we lost to Philly and Buffalo...........No margin of error now , must win out.

Raiderhader
11-28-2005, 10:11 AM
Yep, happy as can be after that win.

The only negatives I have is AS play calling in the red zone , 2nd qtr.
Defense did look good, continues to improve, but Brady was having an off day.
Still pissed we lost to Philly and Buffalo...........No margin of error now , must win out.


Because the D forced him to.

ROYC75
11-28-2005, 10:12 AM
As well as the Roys.


I know not of which you speak of ....... ROFL

I see a nice improvement of Mitchell. Knew he had the athletic ability, I was always concerned he was lacking upstairs material to do the job. Props to Gun and his student.

Guess I have to settle for Rich becoming the best ST's tackler we have now. :rolleyes:

donkhater
11-28-2005, 10:46 AM
My God, we have a prophet among us?

Are we gonna hear how right you are every time he holds the ball wrong?

How do you explain the 200+ touches last year without ONE FUMBLE?

I'm waiting with baited breath...
Sheer luck.

He holds the rock away from his body as he runs. I guess I would amend my statement as I'm not surprised he'll cough up the ball every now and then.

Then again, maybe my expectations are skewed due to Priest's excellent ball control.

Baby Lee
11-28-2005, 10:49 AM
I'm waiting with baited breath...
Lunch at 'The Y?'

Idahored
11-28-2005, 11:03 AM
The only negatives I have is AS play calling in the red zone

I was thinking about this yesterday. Our redzone performance has been lacking this year. Now I think many factors are attributing to this, but I think one of the main reasons is our redzone package.

Per Dick Vermeil (when Rowan was plucked by AZ to be their OC) Rowan (last years tightend coach) was responsible for our redzone package. That package is now created by a different coach. I think it is our RB coach, but I am not sure.
I do remember Dick saying it may effect our redzone game.
Anyway, it may be a factor.

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Sheer luck.

He holds the rock away from his body as he runs. I guess I would amend my statement as I'm not surprised he'll cough up the ball every now and then.

Then again, maybe my expectations are skewed due to Priest's excellent ball control.

Sheer luck? You're either kidding or just plain dumb.

The kid carried the ball 271 times in 13 games his senior season at Penn State and added 41 catches. He had exactly ZERO fumbles.

He had 201 total touches last year with zero fumbles.

He's had 3 career fumbles in 374 career touches. That's roughly HALF the number of touches per fumble of guys like Jamal Lewis. It's better than LaDanian Tomlinson.

You simply can't compare him to Priest...Holmes' touches per fumble ratio is ungodly - one of the best EVER in the history of the game.

MOhillbilly
11-28-2005, 11:45 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday. Our redzone performance has been lacking this year. Now I think many factors are attributing to this, but I think one of the main reasons is our redzone package.

Per Dick Vermeil (when Rowan was plucked by AZ to be their OC) Rowan (last years tightend coach) was responsible for our redzone package. That package is now created by a different coach. I think it is our RB coach, but I am not sure.
I do remember Dick saying it may effect our redzone game.
Anyway, it may be a factor.
lack of redzone IMO is a product of new offensive personel. And the lack of the OC to adapt quickly to personel in a manner that is effective.

Cormac
11-28-2005, 12:18 PM
A couple more GOODs:

Benny Sapp is a "playa". I love watching him play. And his coverage is excellent at times.

Greg Wesley is hitting like a truck.

Overall our tackling is light years ahead of where it was before Gunther got here. That might be the biggest thing. Long may it last. It went to crap when Gunther was HC, and it's finally getting good again, IMO.

donkhater
11-28-2005, 12:35 PM
Sheer luck? You're either kidding or just plain dumb.

The kid carried the ball 271 times in 13 games his senior season at Penn State and added 41 catches. He had exactly ZERO fumbles.

He had 201 total touches last year with zero fumbles.

He's had 3 career fumbles in 374 career touches. That's roughly HALF the number of touches per fumble of guys like Jamal Lewis. It's better than LaDanian Tomlinson.

You simply can't compare him to Priest...Holmes' touches per fumble ratio is ungodly - one of the best EVER in the history of the game.
He's fumbled more than just three times. I know that NFL.com has him down for only three fumbles, three lost fumbles and 1 recovered on his own. How could he have lost 3 and recovered 1 if he only had three total?

I can compare him to Priest if I want to. Imagine what his ball security would be if he held on to it properly.

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 12:48 PM
He's fumbled more than just three times. I know that NFL.com has him down for only three fumbles, three lost fumbles and 1 recovered on his own. How could he have lost 3 and recovered 1 if he only had three total?

I can compare him to Priest if I want to. Imagine what his ball security would be if he held on to it properly.

Imagine what you'd have to bitch about if he held on to it properly. :hmmm:

Mr. Laz
11-28-2005, 12:57 PM
Imagine what you'd have to bitch about if he held on to it properly. :hmmm:
bitching?

i thought he was just discussing ... you don't want to kill that, do you?

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 01:20 PM
bitching?

i thought he was just discussing ... you don't want to kill that, do you?

Oh, Laz, Protector of the Innocent, Righteous Defender of Free Discussion...

Melodramatic much?

There's plenty of things about this team that make for good "discussion". Trying to run down one of the brightest spots on this team and make him appear to have a "problem" he doesn't isn't "discussion", it's dumb.

Coach
11-28-2005, 02:11 PM
Overall our tackling is light years ahead of where it was before Gunther got here. That might be the biggest thing. Long may it last. It went to crap when Gunther was HC, and it's finally getting good again, IMO.

Yes. I agree. During under Robinson, there were alot of whiffs, and rarely a crushing tackle/hit. There were alot of arm tackling during the time as well, as in Gunther's first year, especially early on during the 2004 season. But as the 2004 season went on, the tackling has somewhat improved.

In 2005, I can only think of one game that we had some issues on tackling, and it was the Raiders game at Arrowhead. That's about it. Also the team speed is more improved in the LB's.

Johnson, Mitchell and Bell > Fujita, Beisel, and Barber in terms of speed, athletic ability, and tackling.

donkhater
11-28-2005, 02:19 PM
Oh, Laz, Protector of the Innocent, Righteous Defender of Free Discussion...

Melodramatic much?

There's plenty of things about this team that make for good "discussion". Trying to run down one of the brightest spots on this team and make him appear to have a "problem" he doesn't isn't "discussion", it's dumb.
Running him down? If you look back to when he was first drafted, I've been a pretty staunch LJ supporter/ even endorsed the draft pick. He has rare speed/power.

If LJ ran with good ball security and was fumbling, I would discount it as bad luck. But as he cuts and spins, that ball is hanging out there for any defensive player to strip it out.

So far he's lost three fumbles this year and the board condemned him after the first two. Had the third one led to a Patriot score and the Chiefs lost the game, there would be just as many ill feelings as there were against Denver and Philly.

To his credit, he's only lost 3. Personally, I see room for improvement in that area. If you're OK with 5-6 lost fumbles in a year (which is his current pace) then you're more tolerant than I am.

Mr. Laz
11-28-2005, 02:42 PM
Oh, Laz, Protector of the Innocent, Righteous Defender of Free Discussion...

Melodramatic much?

There's plenty of things about this team that make for good "discussion". Trying to run down one of the brightest spots on this team and make him appear to have a "problem" he doesn't isn't "discussion", it's dumb.
Oh, Parker, Judge, jury and decider or everything that is dumb...


Ego much?


glad everyone now knows that your opinion is the end all,be all of what is dumb and what is or isn't discussion worthy.

bow before before great and poweful Oz! :hail: :hail:


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Extra Point
11-28-2005, 03:15 PM
Hey, how 'bout that 3-4 a few people and I were crying for, earlier on?

Bennie Sapp and Sammy Parker are turning into somebodies, thank goodness.

The O-Line should get a roll of duct tape and wrap both of LJ's hands around it, then let the Defense have fun in strip drills. That would be fun to see!!!

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 03:30 PM
If LJ ran with good ball security and was fumbling, I would discount it as bad luck. But as he cuts and spins, that ball is hanging out there for any defensive player to strip it out.

OK, so let me get this straight. If LJ carried the ball right and was fumbling, you'd call that bad luck. But the fact that Larry Johnson touched the ball 200+ times last year and 300+ times in his senior season at PSU without a SINGLE fumble is "sheer luck"? That's some strong shit you're on there.

So far he's lost three fumbles this year and the board condemned him after the first two. Had the third one led to a Patriot score and the Chiefs lost the game, there would be just as many ill feelings as there were against Denver and Philly.

To his credit, he's only lost 3. Personally, I see room for improvement in that area. If you're OK with 5-6 lost fumbles in a year (which is his current pace) then you're more tolerant than I am.

Lost fumbles have nothing to do with the individual back. It only matters if he fumbles, it's not his fault if nobody on his team recovers it. And if he only fumbled it 5-6 times a year (which is what he's on pace for), he'd be right on par with the other top backs in the league. And two of those fumbles occured prior to him being a starter, when he was in the assinine "rotation". Any back in the league will tell you that RB is a "groove" position...

It seems to me this isn't about fumbles. You don't like the way he's carrying the ball so you're creating an issue where there isn't one.

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 03:31 PM
Oh, Parker, Judge, jury and decider or everything that is dumb...

Ego much?

glad everyone now knows that your opinion is the end all,be all of what is dumb and what is or isn't discussion worthy.

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It's called an informed opinion. I know that this causes problems for a few select people that just can't stand to have their negativity questioned...