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carlos3652
11-28-2005, 12:42 PM
I cant believe this is being discussed around the NFL. I understand they are #1 in overall D but in no way and form can they be compared to the greatness of 85. The 85 team killed everyone (great offenses in there).

Please show me one great offense in this schedule:

1 Sun, Sep 11 at Washington L 7-9 #14 Ranked Offense
2 Sun, Sep 18 Detroit W 38-6 #27 Ranked Offense
3 Sun, Sep 25 Cincinnati L 7-24 #3 Ranked Offense
4 BYE WEEK
5 Sun, Oct 9 at Cleveland L 10-20 #21 Ranked Offense
6 Sun, Oct 16 Minnesota W 28-3 #25 Ranked Offense
7 Sun, Oct 23 Baltimore W 10-6 #26 Ranked Offense
8 Sun, Oct 30 at Detroit W (OT) 19-13 #27 Ranked Offense
9 Sun, Nov 6 at New Orleans W 20-17 #17 Ranked Offense
10 Sun, Nov 13 San Francisco W 17-9 #32 Ranked Offense
11 Sun, Nov 20 Carolina W 13-3 #24 Ranked Offense
12 Sun, Nov 27 at Tampa Bay W 13-10 #23 Ranked Offense

0-2 vs Top 15 Offenses
8-1 vs the rest...

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Obligatory Chiefs comparison...
Chiefs vs Top 15 Offenses - 4-3
Chiefs vs the rest - 3-1

5 games left vs #3, #6, #7, #8, #13 ranked offenses for us...
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I understand they can only play whats on their schedule, and I'm not saying they are not a good defense... just not sold that they can be compared to the 85 team.

Your thoughts would be appreciated...

carlos3652
11-28-2005, 12:53 PM
anyone... anyone...

ptlyon
11-28-2005, 12:54 PM
There is absolutely no way to compare the two.

The '05 Bears don't have a music video.

Lzen
11-28-2005, 12:56 PM
Lol, ptlyon.

carlos,
Who is comparing them to the '85 Bears?

StcChief
11-28-2005, 12:58 PM
Well see after Pittsburg, ATL.

I like their chances in NFC playoffs.

More likely to compare if they shut down them in regular season

and
Seattle in playoffs.

Seek
11-28-2005, 12:59 PM
I agree 100%. I posted something along these lines in the Don't look now thread, about the Chiefs defense. I pointed out that our defense as actually faced good offenses and pointed out the the Bears have not.

ptlyon
11-28-2005, 12:59 PM
carlos,
Who is comparing them to the '85 Bears?

I heard them mention it during the broadcast on FOX yesterday.

BigChiefFan
11-28-2005, 12:59 PM
I don't think Orton can carry that team.

carlos3652
11-28-2005, 01:01 PM
Everyone in freaking in the Iowa/Illinois area...

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=12484

"Ron Rivera cautions against comparing the current Bears defense with their famed 1985 counterparts. But the defensive coordinator, who was a backup linebacker on the Super Bowl team, concedes that he sees some similarities."

Im glad Rivera isnt giving in, but the Chicago media will get in the layers head...

carlos3652
11-28-2005, 01:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9045025

THE CHICAGO BEARS DEFENSE
All you have to do in NFL circles is raise the question whether the 2005 Bears defense is as good as the 1985 Bears defense and you have a firestorm. Time will tell if they are, but the 2005 version will be judged by the one criteria that matters most: Can they win a Super Bowl? That's a long shot, but who really thought that after 10 weeks that the Bears would have a two-game lead in the NFC North? No one except the Bears defensive players and coaches.

In looking at the important numbers comparing the two units, the 1985 Bears gave up 14 points per game, while the 2005 Bears are giving up just under 12 points a game. That two points is a big difference when you consider the extra points kicked after a touchdown becomes the margin of victory in a game.

But the reason I want to draw attention to what this Bears defense is doing is twofold. The '85 Bears had guys like Walter Payton and Jim McMahon on offense. The 2005 Bears have guys named Thomas Jones (when healthy) and Kyle Orton on offense. The 2005 Bears defense clearly does not have the same supporting cast on the other side of the ball.

Another factor the current Bears defense faces is the rules changes since 1985 that have clearly paved the way for more scoring in the NFL. What used to be considered a good day on defense doesn't exist today -- there has only been one shutout in the NFL this season after 10 weeks of football.


Cornerbacks Nathan Vasher (left) and Charles Tillman are names from the Bears defense fans should know.
Last but not least, ask anyone that claims to be a pro football fan but not a Bears fan and they likely can't name four of Chicago's defensive players this season. Ask them about the 1985 team and they remember Mike Singletary, William "The Refrigerator" Perry and Otis Wilson among others.

This 2005 Bears defense is doing one heck of a job while playing under the radar screen. Chicago is on a five-game winning streak, and during the five games, the defense has given up 48 points (under 10 per game). I'm not taking anything away from the efforts of the Chicago offense, but can you imagine what we might be saying about the Monsters of the Midway if the quarterback-running back combination was McMahon and Payton?

jidar
11-28-2005, 01:03 PM
Mike Ditka compared them.
His words "I don't know if they're as good as the 85 bears, but you can definately compare them."

PunkinDrublic
11-28-2005, 01:09 PM
No NFC team has any business bragging about anything because the top teams in that conference are mediocre at best. The superbowl is going to be the AFC champs (most likely Indy) and whatever NFC team stumbles their way into the playoffs.

Lzen
11-28-2005, 01:13 PM
The only problem I have with that article is that I don't think they've faced very good offenses. Not to take anything away from how good their defense is playing or how the rules nowadays makes it tougher on the defense, but I'm just not sold yet.

htismaqe
11-28-2005, 01:15 PM
Everyone in freaking in the Iowa/Illinois area...

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=12484

"Ron Rivera cautions against comparing the current Bears defense with their famed 1985 counterparts. But the defensive coordinator, who was a backup linebacker on the Super Bowl team, concedes that he sees some similarities."

Im glad Rivera isnt giving in, but the Chicago media will get in the layers head...

Everyone?

I know the Bears' fans here are not freaking. They're cautiously optimistic at best...

carlos3652
11-28-2005, 01:21 PM
Everyone?

I know the Bears' fans here are not freaking. They're cautiously optimistic at best...

I have friends in the burlington area... they are the ones that told me that they were being compared...

Brock
11-28-2005, 01:26 PM
That was back when defense was allowed to play defense.