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recxjake
11-30-2005, 10:12 AM
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jspchief
11-30-2005, 10:13 AM
In other news: The Sun Rises in the East!

Rain Man
11-30-2005, 10:14 AM
But he said it wasn't his pipe. You don't believe him?

Sully
11-30-2005, 10:14 AM
Pearl Harbor has been bombed!??!

Coach
11-30-2005, 10:16 AM
Pearl Harbor has been bombed!??!

The Germans did it! The Germans did it!

Dartgod
11-30-2005, 10:16 AM
But he said it wasn't his pipe.
Yeah, I was wondering where I left that thing.

Sully
11-30-2005, 10:17 AM
I would believe him if he didn't have the record that he has, he doesnt deserve any respect... I am sick of famous people getting out of everything

That's true. People that have formally done drugs, had dodgy records, etc... should NEVER be trusted again.

Who did espn fire again?

Frazod
11-30-2005, 10:18 AM
I find it impossible to believe that someone so intelligent, thoughtful and articulate could be capable of lying.






:LOL:

recxjake
11-30-2005, 10:22 AM
That's true. People that have formally done drugs, had dodgy records, etc... should NEVER be trusted again.

Who did espn fire again?

If I recall Rush was never charged with anything... irvin has been convicted

Rain Man
11-30-2005, 10:24 AM
I would believe him if he didn't have the record that he has, he doesnt deserve any respect... I am sick of famous people getting out of everything

How can you not trust a face like this?

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/23/238951.jpg

(This one is crying out for a photoshop expert.)

HemiEd
11-30-2005, 10:24 AM
Elton John is gay.

Brock
11-30-2005, 10:25 AM
BFD

Iowanian
11-30-2005, 10:27 AM
I'll bet he had bRainman's bike in the trunk too.

Goapics1
11-30-2005, 10:28 AM
He's just one of the guys.

jspchief
11-30-2005, 10:58 AM
I lost respect for ESPN when they fired an articulate (albeit opinionated) Sterling Sharpe so they could hire that mush-mouthed pimp wannabe in the first place.

I may not have always liked what Sharpe was saying, but at least I could understand him.

Iowanian
11-30-2005, 11:01 AM
Of Course they didn't fire him. Irvin is the man with the connections to score all the skunkweed that Berman uses to come up with his nicknames.

Phobia
11-30-2005, 11:02 AM
I flip to ESPN for games and very little commentary any longer. I can't even watch the highlight shows these days. I don't miss it.

Saulbadguy
11-30-2005, 11:04 AM
Didn't Rush resign?

Rausch
11-30-2005, 11:07 AM
They've already let it be known that having 12 IQ points is not a reason to be terminated.

Hell, looking at their recent commentators I'd say it's a job requirement.

Braincase
11-30-2005, 11:11 AM
Limbaugh is an idiot drug user, too...

KChiefs1
11-30-2005, 11:12 AM
Last Thursday, Michael Irvin opened up his home in Carrollton, Texas for Thanksgiving dinner. As the story goes, while giving a routine hug to one of his guests, a pipe was found in his guest’s pocket.

Imagine the look on Irvin’s face when his eyes caught sight of the illegal object that was brought into his own home. For a man with a nose as clean as his, this was truly a slap in the face.

In 1996, Irvin pleaded no contest to felony cocaine possession in exchange for four years of deferred probation, a $10,000 fine and dismissal of misdemeanor marijuana possession charges. He also was arrested on drug possession charges in 2000, but they were later dropped.

Irvin then did what any good friend would do*—take the pipe, put it in his car for safe-keeping and leave it there until he found a proper location in which to dispose of it. But then the unthinkable happened.

Last Friday, according to police documents, Irvin was driving with his wife in the car when he was pulled over for going 78 mph in a 60 mph zone. Upon searching the car, police found plastic baggies with marijuana residue in a sunglasses case along with the pipe.

Oddly enough, a man as responsible as Irvin had forgotten to rid himself of the pipe. And rather than lie and possibly get in more trouble with the law, Mike did what any good man would do: blame it on his friend.

“It’s my brother’s, he left it in there,” the officer quoted Irvin as saying in a court document obtained by The Dallas Morning News.

Now, this may appear different from Mike’s newest story of removing the pipe from his friend, and later, Irving explained it was not really his “brother” but a close friend that he referred to as his “brother.” But these minor details are trivial.

Irvin, who was recently named among 25 semifinalists last week for the pro football Hall of Fame, is a difficult man to understand, literally. Often times the only real words that you can take from his sentences are “The U,” “Tom” (referring to his fellow ESPN analyst Tom Jackson) and “OK den,” followed by a long laugh.

But Mike’s courageous actions when faced with a minor fine are something we can all learn from. If you find a pipe on your friend during a routine hug, confiscate it and put it in your car. And when the cops pull you over for speeding a day later, be the bigger man and tell the truth by explaining it was your brother’s. Then a few days later, clarify your actual meaning of “brother” and re-iterate that you were just trying to help an old friend kick a nasty addiction (preferably an addiction you have as well). I wonder if the police could check the pipe for DNA to see just what "friend" had been using it?

Traditionally, some of our nation’s greatest criminal-athletes have come from the Miami football program. The prestigious list includes Ray Lewis, Najeh Davenport (the defecator) and Antrel Rolle, just to name a few. However, with the help of Irvin, that reputation can begin to change.

Because if the short-lived “Chappelle’s Show” taught us anything, it was that cocaine is a hell of a drug.

chiefqueen
11-30-2005, 11:19 AM
In other news: The Sun Rises in the East!

You ruined my day.......I thought the Sun rose in the West:banghead:

munkey
11-30-2005, 11:20 AM
Irvin, who was recently named among 25 semifinalists last week for the pro football Hall of Fame, is a difficult man to understand, literally. Often times the only real words that you can take from his sentences are “The U,” “Tom” (referring to his fellow ESPN analyst Tom Jackson) and “OK den,” followed by a long laugh.



ROFL

Tru Dat

jidar
11-30-2005, 11:27 AM
This is ****ing retarded.
Irvin wasn't on television smoking his crack pipe and talking about how great it was.
Limbaugh was on TV stirring up racial controversy while doing his job. ESPN saw that segment and fired him for it.

Now here is an important distinction, they didn't fire him because it wasn't true, they fired him because they realized that's what Rush does. The shitstorm he stirred up would be a regular occurance if he was on their show, the real question is why did they hire him in the first place? I guess they thought he would change for their show, but the guy is going to inject his politics wherever he goes, and that shit can stay the **** out of sports commentary in my opinion.

Chiefnj
11-30-2005, 11:29 AM
Irvin is entertaining, Rush is a bore.

KChiefs1
11-30-2005, 11:31 AM
Michael Irvin

The Dallas Cowboys star fumbles his private life, and the world piles on.

By Skip Hollandworth



DALLAS FINALLY GOT ITS TRIAL OF THE CENTURY. It was a glorious farce, full of football stars, rogue cops, undercover agents posing as hit men, topless dancers arriving for court appearances in demure below-the-knee dresses, and angry lawyers debating whether

African American men's eyes are naturally bloodshot or only get that way after a night of drinking and drug use. At the center of the proceedings, of course, was Cowboys wide receiver and Super Bowl hero Michael Irvin, who came to court each day in sunglasses, alligator shoes, and tailored suits, one of which was lavender. "At least the trial was held in the summer," a member of his entourage whispered, "so we didn't have to worry about him showing up in that damned mink coat."

It was Irvin's full-length mink coat, which he wore along with a diamond stud earring for his grand jury appearance last spring, that let everybody know this wasn't just a simple drug possession case; it was going to resemble a Las Vegas floor show. Courtroom employees oohed and ahhed at Irvin and the coat. One woman asked him to autograph her Bible. Irvin, who calls himself the Playmaker and parks his black Mercedes in the no-parking zone at the Cowboys' training facility, basked in the attention. He considered himself untouchable--and why shouldn't he?

On the night of March 4, police officers from the Dallas suburb of Irving didn't arrest Irvin when they found him in a hotel room celebrating his thirtieth birthday with his buddy Alfredo Roberts (a former Cowboys lineman) and two topless dancers, Angela Beck and Jasmine Nabwangu. Party favors included 10.3 grams of cocaine and more than an ounce of marijuana, assorted drug paraphernalia, and sex toys. Although a glass cigar holder containing cocaine residue was found in a small bag belonging to Irvin, the officers arrested only Beck, a doe-eyed brunette who described herself as a self-employed model. According to later testimony, Beck took the rap and claimed that all the drugs were hers because Irvin had pulled her aside while police officers were still outside the room and promised he would treat her like a "princess." Then Irvin greeted the officers and asked one of them, "Do you know who I am?" "I know who you are," the officer replied.

To many people's surprise, Mike Gillett, a lead prosecutor with the Dallas County district attorney's office, decided that Irvin, the married father of two, needed to pay for his sordid night out. Gillett got felony indictments against Irvin and the two dancers. (Roberts went free because he could not be directly linked to any evidence.) If Irvin had pleaded guilty then, he no doubt would have walked away with a probated sentence and a four-game suspension by the NFL as a first-time violator of the league's drug policy. The case would have been closed and Irvin could have gone on with his superstar life, albeit with fewer endorsements. But Irvin believed (and, according to one rumor that swept through town, was told by team owner Jerry Jones) that Cowboys don't get convicted of crimes in Dallas. He wanted to plead not guilty, and what made Irvin such a hoot to watch on the field--his ability to talk trash to defensive backs as he escaped from their clutches, to spike the ball after scoring a touchdown and then throw off his helmet so the television cameras could get a close-up--was exactly what was going to make his trial so much fun to watch.

The national news media arrived to pronounce its outrage over Irvin. William Bennett, the former Secretary of Education and self-appointed national defender of values, went so far as to contend that Irvin and the Cowboys were "hurting this country's morale." To longtime Cowboys watchers, the fact that Irvin had become a symbol of a moral meltdown was a joke. Granted, he was an amazing player, one of the hardest-working members of the team and a delightful interview who could always be counted on for a good quote. But he was also well known as a scoundrel who had had his share of paternity suits and run-ins with women. After practices and games, he regularly strolled into the exclusive Men's Club--which a disgusted Gillett called "a high-dog strip joint"--and paid white strippers who looked like former high school cheerleaders to dance for him. He often took those strippers to a hotel room or to what was known as the White House, a home near the team's training facility where Cowboys players took women other than their wives or girlfriends.

But no one thought he had a drug problem--"Michael just got the drugs for the girls," one acquaintance said--until three days after his grand jury appearance, when one of his running buddies agreed to let a Dallas television station put a hidden video camera in his car to film Irvin purchasing cocaine. The "friend," a chubby and slightly pathetic hanger-on at the Cowboys' training facility named Dennis Pedini, said he wanted to expose Irvin to help him get his life back in order. No doubt Pedini was also thrilled that he got some money and national television exposure on Hard Copy.

Then, tossing a barrel of lighter fluid on the fire, Dallas police chief Ben Click called a press conference during the middle of jury selection to announce that Dallas police officer Johnnie Hernandez, a five-year police veteran with an array of honors, had been arrested for solicitation of capital murder after giving $2,960 to an undercover agent from the Drug Enforcement Agency as a down payment for a "hit" on Irvin. Hernandez was the live-in boyfriend of Rachelle Smith, another brunette dancer from the Men's Club, who had spent a few evenings in hotel rooms with Irvin and Angela Beck. In a secret appearance before the grand jury, Smith had ratted on Irvin, saying he told her the day after Beck's arrest that the drugs in that hotel room were his. She also said Beck had told her she nearly had a heart attack when the police pulled a Hope diamond-size rock of crack cocaine that didn't belong to her from her gym bag.

According to Smith, when Irvin heard about her grand jury appearance, he had Pedini and another crony take her to an apartment, where they forced her to strip and searched her clothes and every part of her body to see if she was hiding a listening or recording device. Irvin then demanded that she go back to the grand jury and recant her story. Smith said Irvin "kept on telling me that I shouldn't be afraid of the DA's office--I should be afraid of him, because he was more powerful." She also claimed Irvin said that if she double-crossed him, "you'll never see John [Johnnie Hernandez] or the light of day again, I promise you."

How much seamier could this tale get? Plenty. The reason Hernandez was caught in the first place was because the Dallas Police Department was investigating the activities of allegedly dirty cops. The day after Hernandez's arrest, rumors spread that he hadn't wanted to kill Irvin for his threats against Smith. Well-known Dallas sportswriter Skip Bayless, the author of three books on the Cowboys, said on ESPN that sources had told him a hit had been ordered on Irvin because Irvin had made it clear that if he went down on drug charges, he would expose a scheme among local police officers to protect a drug and prostitution ring.

Like any professional sports franchise, the Cowboys had had their share of fallen heroes--from Hollywood Henderson succumbing to drugs to Lance Rentzel exposing his private parts in public. The team's image was certainly not helped when lineman Nate Newton, defending the players' White House, told one reporter, "We've got a little place over here where we're running some whores in and out, trying to be responsible, and we're criticized for that too."

But the Irvin case was a real-life combination of North Dallas Forty and Semi-Tough. In opening arguments, Gillett told the jury that Irvin's eyes were bloodshot the night of the bust, which he believed suggested Irvin was either intoxicated or in a drug-induced stupor. Royce West, an African American state senator and one of Irvin's defense attorneys, was outraged, rising to tell the jurors (only one of whom was black) that all African American men's eyes are a little bloodshot. West played a unique race-celebrity card, saying the only reason the district attorney's office had intervened in the case was because it saw a chance to put a superstar in his place--or what West called "the back of the bus."

The truth was that prosecutors never would have thought twice about reinvestigating Angela Beck's arrest if Irvin had not been in that hotel room. He was singled out, plain and simple. Yet it was difficult to find anyone who felt sorry for him: The man deserved everything coming to him. As the trial progressed, he looked more depressed, never smiling, his head hanging down. He brightened noticeably one morning when quarterback Troy Aikman arrived to sit in the front row of the spectator benches, telling the press he was there "to support a friend." The Dallas Morning News editorial board was so offended by Aikman's presence that it published a blistering editorial saying he could be sending a message to Dallas youngsters "that a reckless lifestyle is excusable."

On what turned out to be the last day of testimony, Rachelle Smith took the stand outside the presence of the jury. (The judge wanted to hear what she was going to say to determine what parts of her testimony were suitable for the jury.) Her dark hair flowed down her back, her lips were frosted with a light-colored lipstick, and her curvy body was draped in a long white pantsuit, apparently borrowed from someone because the sleeves hung way below her hands. Although she had been photographed with braces on her teeth just a couple of weeks earlier, the braces were removed for her moment in the limelight. Members of the media snickered when she insisted in a slightly indignant tone that she only went to the hotel rooms to have sex with Beck, never with Irvin. But suddenly, a pall fell over the courtroom as she described the way Irvin had her searched for listening devices. "He told me that if I didn't change my testimony, he would put everybody against me and everybody would hate me. He said that he'd make a touchdown and everyone would love him again." There was a long silence. Irvin dropped his head.

The next day that court was in session, prosecutors and Irvin's lawyers agreed to a plea bargain. Irvin pleaded no contest to cocaine possession, a second-degree felony, in exchange for four years' deferred probation, a $10,000 fine, about eight hundred hours of community service, and dismissal of the misdemeanor marijuana possession charges against him. In one respect, it was an unremarkable arrangement. Nearly everyone convicted of cocaine possession for the first time receives probation. On the other hand, Irvin escaped much greater problems. As part of the deal, Gillett agreed not to pursue felony witness-tampering charges against Irvin for his conduct with Rachelle Smith. Still, Gillett seemed satisfied. He was able to get Smith on the stand to tell her story in front of dozens of reporters from around the country. Irvin's carefully developed public reputation was ruined forever.

Or was it? On July 17, the day the trial ended, Irvin showed up with his family at the Cowboys' training facility to hold a press conference. Finally beside him was his wife, Sandi, who had never come to court. She sat expressionless, staring at their eight-month-old daughter while Irvin apologized to his family, his fans, his teammates, owner Jerry Jones, and even his dead father.



Then, at the end of the press conference--speaking without notes--Irvin dropped in a veiled suggestion that his era as a

Cowboy was over. He said he was not reporting to training camp but was going to Miami to restore his relationship with

his family. Of course, it didn't make any sense for Irvin to go to training camp because the NFL was going to suspend

him for five games anyway after his drug conviction. No matter. Irvin gave such a masterful performance, somber and

sincere, that Dallas fans suddenly stopped discussing what he had done to Rachelle Smith. Instead, they began

anxiously evaluating the Cowboys' Super Bowl chances if Irvin didn't return.



Afterward, Bayless shook his head and called Irvin "the consummate con artist." But Irvin was right about one thing.

He knew that all he had to do was come back to Dallas and make a touchdown and everyone would love him again.

chagrin
11-30-2005, 12:03 PM
Hi, I'm Michael Irvin for Cocaine...

sedated
11-30-2005, 12:09 PM
Irvin's is an off-the-field (or off-the-set) matter.

Rush's firing was at least performance based.

BigMeatballDave
11-30-2005, 12:14 PM
Elton John is gay.So is Tom Cruise...

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:15 PM
I don't think Rush should be nowhere near a football analysis program for obvious reasons, but I'd rather have him than Irvin.

If anyone believes Irvin's excuse for having a hash pipe in his car, I have some ocean front property in KC to sell you.

KCTitus
11-30-2005, 12:15 PM
Irvin is entertaining, Rush is a bore.

Rush was horrible on that show, Irvin is just as bad. He's just a louder more obnoxious version in worse suits.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:18 PM
Rush was horrible on that show, Irvin is just as bad. He's just a louder more obnoxious version in worse suits.

I agree with that. They both shouldn't have or shouldn't be on that show. I think I understand the Tazmanian Devil better than I do Michael Irvin.

BigMeatballDave
11-30-2005, 12:22 PM
This is ****ing retarded.
Irvin wasn't on television smoking his crack pipe and talking about how great it was.
Limbaugh was on TV stirring up racial controversy while doing his job. ESPN saw that segment and fired him for it.

Speaking of retarded...
:rolleyes:

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:23 PM
Speaking of retarded...
:rolleyes:

I don't think what Rush said was racism, but that's just me...

KCTitus
11-30-2005, 12:25 PM
I agree with that. They both shouldn't have or shouldn't be on that show. I think I understand the Tazmanian Devil better than I do Michael Irvin.

Of course, I think even Chris Berman is annoying on that show. Ive watched ESPN's show so little over the last few years because I just cannot stand the panel.

I think when they stretched it to 2 hours it really started to go downhill.

BigMeatballDave
11-30-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't think what Rush said was racism, but that's just me...The reason I made that comment is because jidar thinks it is OK for someone to do drugs, but God forbid someone should make a racist comment...

siberian khatru
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
I think when they stretched it to 2 hours it really started to go downhill.

I'm with Phobia. That whole damn network's gone downhill for years, the only thing I watch on it anymore are the game broadcasts.

dtebbe
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Rush = white
Irvin = black

If they fire Irvin Jesse Jackson will do what he does best and fleece them of all money possible. I would bet his contract will quietly not be renewed at the end of the season, once this little incident is off the front burner.

DT

BIG_DADDY
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Personally I could give a rats ass what Michael Irvin does. Does he show up and do his job? Great. Rush should have known better than to bring up a bunch of contoversial race issues and stuck with is trying to establish some credibility as a football analyst.

That being said I can't stand ESPN. I wouldn't even watch it for months when all the steroid stuff was in the news. It was half their friggen show. Their east coast bias when it comes to coverage drives me up the wall too.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:27 PM
Of course, I think even Chris Berman is annoying on that show. Ive watched ESPN's show so little over the last few years because I just cannot stand the panel.

I think when they stretched it to 2 hours it really started to go downhill.

Definitely.

I think they need some new blood. I don't watch as much anymore, either.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:29 PM
The reason I made that comment is because jidar thinks it is OK for someone to do drugs, but God forbid someone should make a racist comment...

Yeah, I know.

I was just throwing that out there. :toast:

Cave Johnson
11-30-2005, 12:29 PM
Sort of an unrelated anecdote, but I ended up talking to one of Rush's nieces at a bar in the Lou a couple years ago. She was, get this, an abstinence advocate who went around to various high schools and promoted her cause. Cute girl, apparently she had hooked up with Mike Bibby while at U of A.

Of course I got her phone number and deleted it promptly.

Cave Johnson
11-30-2005, 12:32 PM
I don't think what Rush said was racism, but that's just me...

Not racism, but definitely playing the race card.

Rush - "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well."

jspchief
11-30-2005, 12:40 PM
Sort of an unrelated anecdote, but I ended up talking to one of Rush's nieces at a bar in the Lou a couple years ago. She was, get this, an abstinence advocate who went around to various high schools and promoted her cause. Cute girl, apparently she had hooked up with Mike Bibby while at U of A.

Of course I got her phone number and deleted it promptly.That story doesn't really jive. She promotes abstinence, but told you about hooking up with Bibby?

Actually, what the hell is the point of the story? Does having a past with Bibby somehow benchmark her hotness? Are we supposed to care that you met someone that is related to someone famous, and got her number? Are we supposed to care what she does for a living? :shake:

Taco John
11-30-2005, 12:45 PM
I thought Rush resigned, not only because the heat he was taking for his moronic statement on McNabb, but also because his drug issues were just hitting the fan...

jidar
11-30-2005, 12:46 PM
The reason I made that comment is because jidar thinks it is OK for someone to do drugs, but God forbid someone should make a racist comment...

God damn. Straw Men arguments are a way of life around here. Where did I say that? I never said it, I never inferred it.

I explained very clearly why you fire Rush Limbaugh, and why you might not fire Irvin. One was job releated and one wasn't.

Read that again because that's the entire point.

In Limbaughs case, it doesn't matter whether you think the comments were racist or not, they stirred up racial controversy and he should have known he would. He was just being himself, that's what he does and that's why he was removed, he never should have been there.

Irvin on the other hand, *shrug* who is surprised by what he did? Nobody. I'd be more surprised to find out he hadn't been smoking weed since he started working there. I'm not saying he's a good commentator, but his job performance wasn't affected either way. I wouldn't be surprised if he got fired, and I really don't have a problem with him being fired, but I see why they might not.

BigMeatballDave
11-30-2005, 12:47 PM
Either way, Rush and Irvin are both equally useless...

Taco John
11-30-2005, 12:47 PM
If anyone believes Irvin's excuse for having a hash pipe in his car, I have some ocean front property in KC to sell you.



I'll go one better... I don't care if Irvin smokes weed. Or anyone for that matter. Weed is no big deal. Hell, you can snort cocaine and go on to become president.

Why does anybody care about this?

Cave Johnson
11-30-2005, 12:48 PM
That story doesn't really jive. She promotes abstinence, but told you about hooking up with Bibby? :

She said they went on a few dates, I infered hooking up. My best guess is that she had been re-virginized since her college experience.

Actually, what the hell is the point of the story? Does having a past with Bibby somehow benchmark her hotness? Are we supposed to care that you met someone that is related to someone famous, and got her number? Are we supposed to care what she does for a living? :shake:

I'm sorry that it didn't entertain you. Let me know what you find interesting and I'll try to cater to you from now on.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 12:50 PM
I'll go one better... I don't care if Irvin smokes weed. Or anyone for that matter. Weed is no big deal. Hell, you can snort cocaine and go on to become president.

Why does anybody care about this?

I agree, I really don't care either...

just bored... :)

KCTitus
11-30-2005, 12:59 PM
Definitely.

I think they need some new blood. I don't watch as much anymore, either.

Speaking of another show that's basically crap, and that's Inside the NFL...Costas doesnt belong and I think Marino is just a moron.

jidar
11-30-2005, 01:06 PM
Inside the NFL has the best recap clips. I watch it just for those but I could do without the comments from the hosts .

Saul Good
11-30-2005, 01:06 PM
God damn. Straw Men arguments are a way of life around here. Where did I say that? I never said it, I never inferred it.

I explained very clearly why you fire Rush Limbaugh, and why you might not fire Irvin. One was job releated and one wasn't.

Read that again because that's the entire point.

In Limbaughs case, it doesn't matter whether you think the comments were racist or not, they stirred up racial controversy and he should have known he would. He was just being himself, that's what he does and that's why he was removed, he never should have been there.

Irvin on the other hand, *shrug* who is surprised by what he did? Nobody. I'd be more surprised to find out he hadn't been smoking weed since he started working there. I'm not saying he's a good commentator, but his job performance wasn't affected either way. I wouldn't be surprised if he got fired, and I really don't have a problem with him being fired, but I see why they might not.

Rush was doing exactly what they hired him for. As soon as he did it, they fired him. He was right, but that didn't matter. The media does hype up black QBs more than they deserve. This was especially true when McNabb came into the league. The same can be said for white CBs. Seahorn was good, but he was way overhyped because he was the only white starting corner in the league. God forbid we ever see a white RB.

jspchief
11-30-2005, 01:07 PM
I'm sorry that it didn't entertain you. Let me know what you find interesting and I'll try to cater to you from now on.Apology accepted.

I find many types of humor interesting. I like football and wood-working. Basically anything other than inane pointless stories that have no relevance to the topic at hand. Thanks.

jidar
11-30-2005, 01:10 PM
Rush was doing exactly what they hired him for. As soon as he did it, they fired him. He was right, but that didn't matter. The media does hype up black QBs more than they deserve. This was especially true when McNabb came into the league. The same can be said for white CBs. Seahorn was good, but he was way overhyped because he was the only white starting corner in the league. God forbid we ever see a white RB.

Yeah I know, I can't go anywhere without hearing about Aaron Brooks.. damnit.. what team is he on again?

Extra Point
11-30-2005, 01:12 PM
ESPN had a good throwback report on Jimmy the Greek, and how unfairly CBS dumped him after the black athlete candid interview aired. Ironic that he didn't get the open NBC Sports job that OJ got.

I'll tell ya, I don't like what I'm seeing out of ESPN!

jspchief
11-30-2005, 01:14 PM
Yeah I know, I can't go anywhere without hearing about Aaron Brooks.. damnit.. what team is he on again?The media is the one that labeled them as "black QBs" to begin with. If they weren't so infatuated with labeling these guys, under the guise of breaking a color barrier that hasn't existed for a long time, most sports fans wouldn't think twice about the color of the athlete.

People are so busy pointing out the lines, society will never be able to truly blur them.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 01:19 PM
Speaking of another show that's basically crap, and that's Inside the NFL...Costas doesnt belong and I think Marino is just a moron.

Yep. Costas-- "Dan, I think you were a great player. If I look at the stats right, you threw a lot of homeruns.

Dan is an idiot, too.

Sully
11-30-2005, 01:21 PM
Jeff Blake!!!!!

KChiefs1
11-30-2005, 01:23 PM
The media does hype up black QBs more than they deserve.

I don't think the media hype's up Michael Vick. :)

Frazod
11-30-2005, 01:25 PM
I'll go one better... I don't care if Irvin smokes weed. Or anyone for that matter. Weed is no big deal. Hell, you can snort cocaine and go on to become president.

Why does anybody care about this?

I don't care either. But ANYTHING that might possibly get that friggin imbecile fired works for me. Being a friggin imbecile should be enough, but not for ESPN.

Irvin is the dumbest piece of shit on television. His presence makes the ESPN pregame show unwatchable. If this gets him gone, well then, it works for me.

Saul Good
11-30-2005, 01:28 PM
Yeah I know, I can't go anywhere without hearing about Aaron Brooks.. damnit.. what team is he on again?

They don't choose every black QB to fellate, McNabb was just their posterchild. It was Doug Williams then Randall Cunningham then Donovan McNabb then Daunte Culpepper now Michael Vick next Vince Young?

Remember Brian Shay? He was a white RB who had a tryout with the Chiefs a few years back. He got 100 times more publicity than he would have if he was some black RB with no chance of ever making an NFL roster. Sehorn is probably the best example of the media doing it to a white player. He was a good but not elite corner, but the media hyped him up as the second coming because of his race.
The only good black QB I can think of who didn't receive this treatment is Warren Moon. He was probably just an Uncle Tom as far as the media was concerned. He wasn't an "athlete playing the QB position". He was a straight drop-back passer and probably the best black QB in NFL history, but he never got as much attention as Cunningham, McNabb, Culpepper, Vick, etc.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-30-2005, 01:28 PM
Irvin is the dumbest piece of shit on television.

ROFL

That's fraz holding back...

Halfcan
11-30-2005, 03:35 PM
I for one believe it was not Irvins pipe, since he found god he is a changed man. Once again he was just a victim of bad timing and circumstances. He is a great future HOF, and the best sports guy that ever talked in a mic. His astute articulation is second only to the bumbling mumbling rambling Shannon Sharp.

Other things I believe in:

Santa
Tooth Fairy
Easter Bunny
Bush's plans for Iraq
Chiefs will win the Superbowl
LJ is just misunderstood
Jake the Fake is the "Real Deal"
All Politicians are honest
T O is the greatest football player ever, and is just a pawn for the propeganda perpertrated by the man

Halfcan
11-30-2005, 03:41 PM
Oh and I believe Warren Moon was the best QB ever and never beat his wife

Taco John
11-30-2005, 03:54 PM
I actually don't mind Irvin. He just doesn't bother me so much. He's not particularly insightful, but his reputation as a playmaker and the attitude that he can approach the show with because of it somehow works for me.

But all things considered, you have to believe that ESPN is dying a little, thanks to the NFL Channel... And instead of making their shows better, they are making them worse by over producing their stuff... I hate over produced television...

Sully
11-30-2005, 03:57 PM
Remember Brian Shay? He was a white RB who had a tryout with the Chiefs a few years back. He got 100 times more publicity than he would have if he was some black RB with no chance of ever making an NFL roster.

I think Shay was a littl ebit better than average in college (he broke some records) and he was from around here. That probably had more to do with his pub than his skin tone.

Cave Johnson
11-30-2005, 04:04 PM
Remember Brian Shay? He was a white RB who had a tryout with the Chiefs a few years back. He got 100 times more publicity than he would have if he was some black RB with no chance of ever making an NFL roster.

I don't recall the media salivating over Travis Jervey, however.

chiefsfaninNC
11-30-2005, 04:10 PM
Espn sucks, and has sucked for years now. Much like CNN they ignore the viewers and continue to do what they want instead of what the viewers want. Since NFL Network started I haven't turned to ESPN except to catch the games.

PunkinDrublic
11-30-2005, 04:16 PM
I don't recall the media salivating over Travis Jervey, however.

I remember draft day when espn was salivating over Touchdown Tommy Vardell. Biggest white running back bust ever.

Ultra Peanut
11-30-2005, 04:18 PM
You don't give a $500 tip to the housekeeper! That's inappropriate! That's inexcusable! That, I don't forgive!

Halfcan
11-30-2005, 04:18 PM
How about Tommy the Duke Morrison the great white hope?

I have some signed gloves for sale by the way.,

Extra Point
11-30-2005, 04:31 PM
"The team's image was certainly not helped when lineman Nate Newton, defending the players' White House, told one reporter, 'We've got a little place over here where we're running some whores in and out, trying to be responsible, and we're criticized for that too.'"

Nate Newton: Ambassador of Good Will

So long as it's illegal, the MOFO carrying aroung his brotha's pipe must go. Possession is 9/10 of the law, ain't it?

He won't get off the hook. He'll do a couple years in minimum security. After that, he'll die a poor SOB, knowing he'll never reach the HOF brass ring.

RIP Michael Irvin in 2010. Dickhead!

BigChiefFan
11-30-2005, 04:47 PM
They shouldn't have reported a misdemeanor crime in the first place. It's nobody's business.

milkman
11-30-2005, 04:51 PM
This is ****ing retarded.
Irvin wasn't on television smoking his crack pipe and talking about how great it was.

How can you be sure?

Do you have some special Irvin decoder box connected to your TV that allows you to understand whatever the hell it is he's saying?

BigChiefFan
11-30-2005, 04:56 PM
How can you be sure?

Do you have some special Irvin decoder box connected to your TV that allows you to understand whatever the hell it is he's saying?
You don't understand ENGLISH?