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the Talking Can
12-02-2005, 06:23 AM
Nothing this Administration does or says is honest. Nothing. At home and abroad they buy journalists.

The Lincoln Group Anyone?


Posted on Wed, Nov. 30, 2005

U.S. military pays Iraqis for positive news stories on war

By Jonathan S. Landay

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON -- U.S. Army officers have been secretly paying Iraqi journalists to produce upbeat newspaper, radio and television reports about American military operations and the conduct of the war in Iraq.

U.S. officials in Washington said the payments were made through the Baghdad Press Club, an organization they said was created more than a year ago by U.S. Army officers. They are part of an extensive American military-run information campaign -- including psychological warfare experts -- intended to build popular support for U.S.-led stabilization efforts and erode support for Sunni Muslim insurgents.

Members of the Press Club are paid as much as $ 200 a month, depending on how many positive pieces they produce.

Under military rules, information operations are restricted to influencing the attitudes and behavior of foreign governments and people. One form of information operations -- psychological warfare -- can use doctored or false information to deceive or damage the enemy or to bolster support for American efforts.

Many military officials, however, said they were concerned that the payments to Iraqi journalists and other covert information operations in Iraq had become so extensive that they were corroding the effort to build democracy and undermining U.S. credibility in Iraq. They also worry that information in the Iraqi press that's been planted or paid for by the U.S. military could "blow back" to the American public.

Eight current and former military, defense and other U.S. officials in Baghdad and Washington agreed to discuss the payments to Iraqi reporters and other American military information operations because they fear that the efforts are promoting practices that are unacceptable for a democracy. They requested anonymity to avoid retaliation.

"We are teaching them (Iraqi journalists) the wrong things," one military officer said.

Moreover, the defense and military officials said, the U.S. public is at risk of being influenced by the information operations because what's planted in the Iraqi media can be picked up by international news organizations and Internet bloggers.

"There is no 'local' media anymore. All media is potentially international. The Web makes it all public. We need to ... eliminate the idea that psychological operations and information operations can issue any kind of information to the media ever. Period," said a senior military official in Baghdad who has knowledge of American psychological operations in Iraq.

Finally, military and defense officials said, the more extensive the information operations, the more likely they'll be discovered, thereby undermining the credibility of the U.S. armed forces and the American government.

"It's a culture of being loose with the truth. We'd better stop it or we are going to end up like we did in Vietnam," said a senior U.S. defense official in Washington. "The problem is if you get caught, it destroys everything, and they don't realize the collateral damage potential."

Spokesmen for the American command in Iraq and for the Tampa, Fla.-based U.S. Central Command, which has overall responsibility for American military operations in the Middle East, said they had no immediate comment.

Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, said, "We're looking into this issue . . . to ascertain all of the facts."

On Tuesday, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld hailed what he called the country's "free media," saying they were acting as "a relief valve" through which Iraqis have been engaging in democratic debate and dialogue.

The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday that the U.S. military has been paying Iraqi newspapers to print pro-American stories written by U.S. information operations troops.

A Knight Ridder investigation has found that the American military's information operations have been far more extensive.

In addition to the Army's secret payments to Iraqi newspaper, radio and television journalists for positive stories, U.S. psychological-warfare officers have been involved in writing news releases and drafting media strategies for top commanders, two defense officials said.....

knight ridder (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/13295806.htm)

patteeu
12-02-2005, 06:42 AM
First of all, they are paying to place "factually accurate" stories in the arabic press according to the AP article posted here yesterday, so your smear about honesty is misplaced or at least an exaggeration as usual.

Second of all, propaganda is a legitimate tool for fighting a war.

Third, once again we see that your outrage over spilling classified information is very selective based strictly on whether or not the secrets advance or retard your own crass political interests. Shame on you.

Eight current and former military, defense and other U.S. officials in Baghdad and Washington

And finally, I hope they figure out who these 8 guys are and make examples out of them for putting their own personal views of what constitutes good democracy ahead of our national interests.

the Talking Can
12-02-2005, 08:58 AM
First of all, they are paying to place "factually accurate" stories in the arabic press
ROFL

The Military has already been caught planting fake quotes from non-existant Iraqis. Read a newspaper for once in your sorry ****ing life.

We already know about the PR firms plantiong stories. The fake documents. The fake sources. Etc.


Democracy = Propaganda...Truth = Lies.

Anyways, sane people are distrubed by the continuing propagand at home and abroad:

The Lincoln Group...didn't someone just mention the Lincoln Group??


Senators demand answers about Pentagon propaganda program
Sen. Warner concerned that program will cripple Iraqi press

Friday, December 2, 2005; Posted: 9:41 a.m. EST (14:41 GMT)



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon is struggling to answer questions, including those from Congress, about a military program that planted favorable stories in Iraqi media.

Defense Department officials, summoned to a briefing Friday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, have remained silent about the program. Multimillion-dollar contracts cover paying Iraqi newspapers and journalists to get into print such stories about the war and the rebuilding effort.

"A free and independent press is critical to the functioning of a democracy, and I am concerned about any actions which may erode the independence of the Iraqi media," said the committee chairman, Sen. John Warner, R-Virginia.

Military officials in Iraq say the program is necessary.

"The purpose of this program is to ensure factual information is provided to the Iraqi public," Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a U.S. military spokesman, said in Iraq.

One of the companies involved -- the Washington-based Lincoln Group -- has at least two contracts with the military to provide media and public relations services. One contract, for $6 million, was for public relations and advertising work in Iraq and involved planting favorable stories in the Iraqi media, Defense Department records show.

The other Lincoln contract, which is with the Special Operations Command, is worth up to $100 million over five years for media operations with video, print and Web-based products. That contract is not related to the dispute over propaganda and was not for services in Iraq, according to command spokesman Ken McGraw.

The Lincoln Group shares that Special Operations contract with SYColeman, a division of L-3 Communications, and Science Applications International Corp., a San Diego-based defense contractor.

The program came to light just as President Bush released his strategy for victory in Iraq. It includes the need to support a "free, independent and responsible Iraqi media."

"We're very concerned," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "We are seeking more information from the Pentagon."

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, characterized the program as a scheme that "speaks volumes about the president's credibility gap. If Americans were truly welcomed in Iraq as liberators, we wouldn't have to doctor the news for the Iraqi people."

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said late Thursday he was still trying to gather information from U.S. military officials in Baghdad.

A military spokesman in the Iraqi capital was asked if the program undercuts the credibility of the military or the news media. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch quoted a senior al Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, as saying that "half the battle is the battlefield of the media."

Lynch said the terrorists lie to the Iraqi people, but the American military does not.

"Everything we do is based on fact not based on fiction," Lynch said.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/02/iraq.newsstories.ap/index.html)

Chief Henry
12-02-2005, 09:07 AM
First of all, they are paying to place "factually accurate" stories in the arabic press according to the AP article posted here yesterday, so your smear about honesty is misplaced or at least an exaggeration as usual.

Second of all, propaganda is a legitimate tool for fighting a war.

Third, once again we see that your outrage over spilling classified information is very selective based strictly on whether or not the secrets advance or retard your own crass political interests. Shame on you.



And finally, I hope they figure out who these 8 guys are and make examples out of them for putting their own personal views of what constitutes good democracy ahead of our national interests.



Don't waiste your time. Your day can be much more productive by just letting them keep spewing they're hatred and not responding to it.
They're hatred for the President Bush blinds them.

patteeu
12-02-2005, 09:46 AM
ROFL

The Military has already been caught planting fake quotes from non-existant Iraqis. Read a newspaper for once in your sorry ****ing life.

Is the AP not carried in newspapers anymore? Should we stop reading the NYTimes and the Washington Post and the New Republic because of the fake quotes they've printed? How come the article you post doesn't tell us about these fake quotes and, in fact, supports what I said about the stories being factually accurate? Do you read the articles that you post? If you had to choose, would you choose winning the war or winning the next election? Do I even need to ask?

PunkinDrublic
12-02-2005, 10:33 AM
Don't waiste your time. Your day can be much more productive by just letting them keep spewing they're hatred and not responding to it.
They're hatred for the President Bush blinds them.

And your loyalty blinds you.