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chief mohawk
10-05-2000, 03:51 PM
Great article AZ,i felt like i was in the war room with the chiefs brain trust waiting for the cat to drop in our laps!

G_Man
10-05-2000, 04:10 PM
Nevermind the Planet, that was one of the best articles I've read anywhere for a long time. Seriously, I really thought it was great. Thanks!

G_Man
10-05-2000, 04:12 PM
BTW, I'm glad Peterson was stingy with his 3rd round pick. Wesley was a fantastic pick.

Luzap
10-05-2000, 04:13 PM
Ditto!

That's the type of inside scoop that I want to know about.

I guess Gun really is influencing who we pick, or perhaps more importantly, it really is a group effort with no one person (Carl) dominating the selections!

Luz
glad to see they truly work as a team...

BroncoFan
10-05-2000, 04:14 PM
That actually was pretty interesting. I'm still not sure who will be the better player, Deltha or Sly.

AZChief
10-05-2000, 04:36 PM
I thought one of the most interesting things was that KC never considered going after a Running Back. If Morris was gone, we were getting another offensive lineman. I love the offensive line and keeping it stocked with studs but I know many of you would've been outraged! Glad you enjoyed the article.

AZ

Joe Seahawk
10-05-2000, 04:38 PM
AZ, good article..
The Chiefs would have taken Chris Mcintosh before Shawn Alexander?
Is that true?....Joe

Phobia
10-05-2000, 04:53 PM
Nice job AZ. Thanks for that info. I always pick up a yearbook but won't have mine until I attend the Bills game, Nov 19th.

Oregon Chief Fan
10-05-2000, 05:09 PM
All I have to say about that article is:

1. It is a good thing that Morris was there because there would have been a lot of angry Chiefs fans out there.

2. The front office would have been kicking themselves Monday night if they had passed on Alexander, if he had been there.

3. Is Carl and company clever enough to mask their frustration at not having a shot at Alexander, in the hopes of disguising the true need for a premier RB for next year. Nah, couldn't be.

4. I am glad that we got Sly instead of Deltha. We need some offensive punch in KC for a chnage.

5. We did pretty good in the draft overall.

LamarJr
10-05-2000, 05:33 PM
Awesome article! Eventhough the Chiefs weren't high on Alexander(why?), it is nice to know they liked Jamal Lewis. Nothing wrong with going for OL, but a T? I know it said Riley to G, but how about a pure G in the draft? Next year I expect to see a high draft pick for a G or DB. I'm glad Carl hordes his 3rd round picks...Greg Wesley will be a Pro-Bowler in a couple of years!

morphius
10-05-2000, 05:48 PM
I was just going to ignore this post, but wow, great article. I would like to hear what JQ and Packfan think about this.

cdcox
10-05-2000, 06:17 PM
Lamar Jr:

Conventional thinking around the league is that you don't burn high draft choices on interior lineman, they can be had in later rounds. KC has certainly had luck in this regard. Tackles are harder to comeby and often warrent a 1st round pick. By considering a T, they must have thought Riley is not completely meeting their needs at RT. I think he has seemed pretty solid this season, so maybe they will change their minds. I would have hated to see them go with a T (again). My preferences for first round draft pick next year are: RB, DE, LB, and CB, in that order.

morphius
10-05-2000, 06:21 PM
cdcox - I really like how upset Gun was if we would have taken another tackle, and I think that the fans would have felt the exact same way. It is kind of disgusting to think that it was even an option.

hawaiianboy
10-05-2000, 06:34 PM
Jeff...you're going to have to clue me in on what you want me to comment on.

~First off, great info Azzzman. I'm just as much a geek of the behind the scenes draft stuff as you.
~I think Denver REACHED when they took Deltha.
~I'm surprised that KC would have taken Sly over Alexander. IMO finding a franchise RB is more difficult than finding a franchise WR.... I felt Alexander was the best RB in the draft... Morris reminded me of JJ Stokes.
~As for Oakland... I still feel we had targeted Julian Peterson a our top pick... We took Jano when SF picked Peterson.
~As for calling KC to move up, I don't think it was to get Sly.... I think it was to get Keith Bullock, who had slipped out of the projected top 15.
Our need for a pass rush OLB exceeded our need for a #2 WR, especially since Porter, Todd Pinkston, Dez White, Danny Farmer were still on the board.
~If KC had passed on Alexander to take an Olineman, your war room would be out of work next year.

morphius
10-05-2000, 06:44 PM
JQ - I just wanted to see what you thought about them calling the Chiefs to see if they were wanting to move down. I wasn't looking for attacking or the like, just wanted to know. I agree, if we take a tackle over anyone I think most fans would have gone completely insane. I did find it funny to think that the Chiefs would trade down with them, isn't it almost unheard of to make a trade like this with someone in your own division. I was looking at it as more the fact that they thought they needed another player pretty bad. The Raiders book wouldn't have anything like this in there would it? It would be very interesting to hear.

NaptownChief
10-05-2000, 06:45 PM
Great article. Like most of you, I am stunned that McDougale would have been a Chief instead of Alexander had the Cat been gone...Had that happen I would still be on a heavy dose of Prozac to calm myself down.

morphius
10-05-2000, 06:47 PM
JQ - Another thought that just popped into my head, could it be that the Raiders thought we were looking at Jano and figured that since that they took the Chiefs guy that they could still get their other player and we would be willing to trade down to pick up our 20th tackle in 5 years.

AZChief
10-05-2000, 06:51 PM
The fact that our #3 and #4 choices were both Tackles led me to believe that if we stayed at 21 we were once again going OT. The only dissenting opinion was Gun; CP and Bradshaw both were high on the Tackles. Bradway did begin researching what players were "desirable" should we choose to trade down with SF or Buffalo.

The information I read didn't have KC considering Alexander at all. The only back discussed was Dillon and that talk died down early.

AZ

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Chiefnj
10-05-2000, 06:56 PM
Great article!

Like most, I am baffled/scared that we would have taken another OL in the first round if Morris weren't available.

hawaiianboy
10-05-2000, 06:59 PM
Morph,

I think if you look at the Raiders draft history you'll see that we always are very aggressive in moving up so i'm not surpised we called KC because I think we call everybody. That said, I would have fallen out of my chair if KC had accomadated us, maybe Al thought that Gun still hada little Silver and Black in him.

I personally think Al gets as caught up in the draft as we do and takes a aggressive approach. he traded up to get Russell, Dudley and tried like crazy to get Randy Moss the year we drafted Woodson. If the Vikes hadn't taken him one pick ahead, Moss would have been a Raider.

morphius
10-05-2000, 07:03 PM
JQ - Interesting. To be honest for years I only paid attention to who the Chiefs drafted and what position they played. I'm not a fan of college football, so I don't know any of the players anyway.

Mi_chief_fan
10-05-2000, 07:21 PM
Great article. but who is Oscar McDougle? Related to Stocker?

KCTitus
10-05-2000, 07:29 PM
Excellent article, AZChief. Wonderful behind the scenes stuff.

I literally would have blown up my TV had they drafted yet another tackle. I believe that would make 4 of the last 6 #1's for the Chiefs OT's.

I think Alexander will be a great back and Im really suprised there was no talk of Shaun at all.

MrBlond
10-05-2000, 07:59 PM
AZ,
As a die-hard draftnik, I loved your article today. I believed at the time that O'Neal was the pick for us. It is becoming obvious that Morris was the way to go. How many of us sat in front of ESPN that day and tried to figure out who goes where and who would drop to us? I would give ANYTHING to sit in with the braintrust on that day. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Mr. Blond

kcbob
10-06-2000, 07:28 AM
Boy, was that a great article! http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I used to attend the draft out at Arrowhead. Cellular One used to sponsor a get together and I was able to obtain passes through them. My wife went with me the first year to see what was up and after that, I either went alone or took a friend.

The last three years I attended, I would "sneak" up into the press area. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif There really wasn't much sneaking involved, though. I just walked in like I belonged. Then I would stay there during the draft, see Marty and Carl come in and hold their press conference after our picks, and even be there when the press called the 1st round pick on the phone. Heck, I even asked Marty a question myself one year.

Unfortunately, with the first day of the draft being moved to Saturday, I'm unable to attend now. But I still tape it and watch it later in the day and sweat right along with the rest of you.

Great article, AZ. And great site! Thanks.

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Frodo lives!!

Go Chiefs!!

Spott
10-06-2000, 07:47 AM
After reading that article, I would like to thank the Raiders for drafting Janikowski allowing the Chiefs to take a WR instead of another OL.

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It looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue!

Cormac
10-06-2000, 08:04 AM
AZ,

That is truly great stuff. I really enjoyed it. I can't believe that they were so close to drafting another tackle either. I love Gun's quotes "I don't want to hear about it!". LOL. He was damn right.

I also remember reading something just prior to the draft about Carl not being impressed with or interested in Shaun Alexander. There seemed to be more of a chance of them trading up to get Jamal Lewis than there was to draft Alexander! I couldn't understand that then, and certainly can't now. But thankfully they got the Cat!

It's really impressive that they got the top 12 guys going in order in their projections. I wonder if other teams were that on the ball. Probably so, but still that is great.

Finally, what was CP saying about "getting something for Pennington" "make a deal later in the draft"??? I wonder what kind of deal he was talking about...........draft a player and use him for extra picks or trade bait for FAs on the same day???

Great job AZ.

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ct
10-06-2000, 08:21 AM
That is an incredible article!!!!!

I previously could only dream of the inner workings of the Draft Day War Room. This was way cool, man!!

Where can I get this Yearbook?

BTW, the most excellent aspect of the story, IMHO, was Gun not wanting to hear any talk of taking another Tackle with the 1st round pick! Way to go Gun!!

ct

Idahojim
10-06-2000, 08:50 AM
Terrific article. Came to three conclusions:

1. Glad Mr. Brown is an idiot.

2. Glad we were so far down in the draft that we didn't pick Deltha. He looks like he'll be good, but Sylvester is gonna be great.

3. I'd like to play high stakes poker with Gunther.

Really good read.

AZChief
10-06-2000, 04:25 PM
I think one of the really interesting things was how even in the offseason the same three teams give us headaches! Denver, Seattle, and Oakland all effected KCs draft drastically.

AZ