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recxjake
12-04-2005, 11:20 AM
Joe Wilson: Bush Right to Attack Iraq
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/4/121656.shtml
Joe Wilson, Iraq war supporter?
The darling of the anti-war left may be working overtime to bring down the Bush administration for "outing" his CIA wife, but Wilson said Saturday that the White House was right to go to war over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
"There was a lot of reason to be concerned about weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein," he told WABC Radio's Mark Simone. "I always thought that he probably had chemical and biological weapons and biological precursors as well."
Wilson said his primary policy difference with President Bush wasn't over Saddam's WMDs, but rather on the question of "how to construct a policy that gets to the national security issue of disarming Saddam Hussein and does so at minimum risk to other legitimate U.S. interests both in Iraq and in the region."
But aside from that, Wilson said he cheered President Bush's decision to topple the Iraqi dictator, telling Simone: "When the president went up to the U.N. and got the [war] resolution unanimously passed at the U.N., nobody applauded louder than I did."
"When the president went up to the U.N. and got the [war] resolution unanimously passed at the U.N., nobody applauded louder than I did."
Note the insertion of the token "[war]". That means that Mr. Wilson did not say "war resolution" but that in the opinion of NewsMax.com Mr. Wilson implied that Mr. Wilson considered the resolution he mentioned to be a war resolution. The resolution that Mr. Wilson probably was speaking of is Security Council Resolution 1441, which unanimously passed in November, 2002, following an address by President Bush and months before Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations that sought to convince the United Nations that attacking Iraq was a good idea. What evidence does NewsMax.com have that Mr. Wilson has taken the specific position that Security Council Resolution 1441 is a "war resolution"?
Here's the wikipedia.org entry on UN Security Council Resolution 1441:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
The following search on yahoo.com brings up several links in which Jospeh Wilson comments on UN Security Council Resolution 1441:
+"joseph wilson" +1441 +war
Here's the first link with a quoted comment from Mr. Wilson that specifically mentions 1441, from a David Corn interview with Mr. Wilson posted on The Nation's website in May, 2004:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=1413
Before the war, you were one of the few former diplomats--establishment types--who were out there vigorously and consistently opposing the Bush administration on the question of war in Iraq. Why were there not more? Were you lonely?
There were a number of people who offered thoughtful commentary. But a number of very close friends of mine found the stridency of the other side to be really off-putting and found that it was extraordinarily difficult to have the serious debate that this country deserved before we went to war. They held back. Those people are clearly smarter than I am. The people who spoke out acted on their own consciences and on their own sense of what was doable. But there was a sense in some parts of this town that the deal was done and that the key decisions had already been made--which in retrospect seems to have been the case. I always thought that a vigorous debate would have yielded what I thought was the right approach: diplomacy backed by the credible threat of force. You had to be prepared to use force, but if you were going to use the force, it needed to be targeted at the national security objective you wanted to achieve. You needed to have in the calculation some risk/reward, some cost/benefit analyses. It always seemed to me that the invasion, conquest and occupation of Iraq as a means of disarming Hussein was the highest risk, lowest reward option, particularly when it was clear that UN Security Council Resolution 1441 [which led to revived weapons inspections in Iraq] was working.
There are several similar quotes on the web. All that I've seen indicate that Mr. Wilson did not consider UN Security Council Resolution 1441 to be a war resolution that authorized an attack on Iraq, which is contrary to NewsMax.com's claim about what Mr. Wilson said.
go bowe
12-04-2005, 01:33 PM
faulty inference /patteeu :p :p :p
faulty inference /patteeu :p :p :p
Jake needs to learn to be more discerning in his parroting of News articles. In particular this obsession with newsmax is making him look bad repeatedly.
Taco John
12-04-2005, 02:13 PM
Joe Wilson: Bush Right to Attack Iraq
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/4/121656.shtml
Joe Wilson, Iraq war supporter?
The darling of the anti-war left may be working overtime to bring down the Bush administration for "outing" his CIA wife, but Wilson said Saturday that the White House was right to go to war over Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
"There was a lot of reason to be concerned about weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein," he told WABC Radio's Mark Simone. "I always thought that he probably had chemical and biological weapons and biological precursors as well."
Wilson said his primary policy difference with President Bush wasn't over Saddam's WMDs, but rather on the question of "how to construct a policy that gets to the national security issue of disarming Saddam Hussein and does so at minimum risk to other legitimate U.S. interests both in Iraq and in the region."
But aside from that, Wilson said he cheered President Bush's decision to topple the Iraqi dictator, telling Simone: "When the president went up to the U.N. and got the [war] resolution unanimously passed at the U.N., nobody applauded louder than I did."
I think a lot of people are in the same boat at Joe Wilson. They feel like something needed to be done, but wish we didn't have the worst president of this generation making the calls.
Competence would have gone a long way toward achieving a favorable outcome a lot sooner than it's come so far.
recxjake
12-04-2005, 02:33 PM
I think a lot of people are in the same boat at Joe Wilson. They feel like something needed to be done, but wish we didn't have the worst president of this generation making the calls.
Competence would have gone a long way toward achieving a favorable outcome a lot sooner than it's come so far.
you can hate bush all you want, but it is a fact that Carter was the worst the President of this generation
penchief
12-04-2005, 02:39 PM
you can hate bush all you want, but it is a fact that Carter was the worst the President of this generation
Until Bush Junior. Carter was dealt his bad hand. Bush created his own troubles.
Carter's a better Christian, too. ;)
Nightwish
12-04-2005, 03:35 PM
Note the insertion of the token "[war]". That means that Mr. Wilson did not say "war resolution" but that in the opinion of NewsMax.com Mr. Wilson implied that Mr. Wilson considered the resolution he mentioned to be a war resolution. The resolution that Mr. Wilson probably was speaking of is Security Council Resolution 1441, which unanimously passed in November, 2002, following an address by President Bush and months before Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations that sought to convince the United Nations that attacking Iraq was a good idea. What evidence does NewsMax.com have that Mr. Wilson has taken the specific position that Security Council Resolution 1441 is a "war resolution"?
Here's the wikipedia.org entry on UN Security Council Resolution 1441:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1441
In fact, there was no "war" resolution ever voted on by the UN. There was a "force" resolution that was unanimously passed. A "war" resolution was later introduced by the US, UK and Spain, but was summarily withdrawn when a majority of the UN and the UNSC declared that they would vote it down. For some reason, the pro-war crowd is having trouble discerning between the meaning of "force" and the meaning of "war." I'm not sure why they're having such difficulty with that. You'd think some of them would break down and buy a dictionary.
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