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tk13
12-05-2005, 02:18 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/13328995.htm

Unsportsmanlike atmosphere

JEFFREY FLANAGAN
Overheard at Arrowhead


Predictably, there were a lot of short nerves and tongue-biting in the always-overcrowded visitors’ locker room, on this Sunday occupied by the Broncos.

To start, there was the rare overturning of a spot that essentially took away the Broncos’ final shot at winning. But there were plenty of other calls by the officials that had the Broncos contemplating popping off.

The one most upsetting was the personal-foul call against John Lynch with just less than 10 minutes to go. Trent Green had just thrown an incompletion to Eddie Kennison, setting up a crucial third-and-7 play from the Denver 9.

As both teams started back to their huddles, a seriously late flag came flying from the back of the end zone: personal foul against Lynch, helmet-to-helmet hit, first and goal at the Denver 4.

On the next play, the Chiefs scored the winning touchdown.

“It’s almost like the officials looked back at the scoreboard and saw it was No. 47 (Lynch’s number) and then threw the flag,” Denver cornerback Champ Bailey said. “I saw it as a good hit.”

Defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban said: “I better be careful. I don’t want to get fined. The thing is, the flag was so late. It was so late, man.”

Lynch tried his best to refrain afterward, at least a lot more than he did at the time. After the Chiefs scored following the penalty, Lynch was seen yelling at the official, “That (the touchdown) was yours! That was yours!”

Lynch drew another personal foul — unsportsmanlike conduct for mouthing off. “Obviously, I didn’t think it was a penalty,” Lynch said. “But it was their judgment that it was.

“The thing is, I can’t then get another penalty after that. I have to show more poise than that.”

Denver’s offensive linemen weren’t too thrilled about some non-calls as well. They were spotted afterward complaining to one another that the Chiefs were offside on at least two plays, one at the end of the first half when Denver was near field-goal position.

“How can you not call that?” one Bronco said. “The guy (the line judge) just looked at me and shrugged. Hey, that’s his job, to see that.”

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer was also a bit testy afterward.

Asked how disappointed he was about some poor decisions he made, especially the interception inside the Chiefs’ 5 in the first half, Plummer looked incredulously at the reporter.

“You know me — of course I’m (upset),” he said, shaking his head. “I don’t give a (blank) afterward because I’ll go right back and try to make a good play. You didn’t see any give-up from us today, did you?”

Someone then made the mistake of asking Plummer whether he thought the Broncos gave the game away.

“Like they (the Chiefs) don’t have good players,” Plummer asked. “They went out there and played well.

“That would be an insult to them (to say the Broncos gave it away). I can’t say that.”

***

Sunday was an interesting day for Broncos rookie cornerback Darrent Williams out of Oklahoma State.

The Chiefs and offensive coordinator Al Saunders repeatedly picked on Williams throughout the game, especially when the Chiefs needed some big yardage.

But that strategy changed somewhat when Green threw an awful pass intended for Chris Horn that flew into Williams’ hands at the Denver 28 late in the third quarter.

“You know you’re going to get picked on when you’re a rookie,” Williams said, somewhat defiantly. “But it’s not just being a rookie — you get picked on in this league regardless.”

As disappointed as the Broncos were with the loss, they did seem confident they would bounce back.

“We’ve got four games left,” Lynch said. “It comes down to whoever plays well down the stretch. We’ll be ready.”

***

Spotted on the field before the game: retired K-State coach Bill Snyder. But trumping that celebrity sighting was Lorne Michaels, “Saturday Night Live” producer, who we hear is a closet Chiefs fan.

beer bacon
12-05-2005, 02:25 AM
This article really makes the Broncos look like a bunch of whiny bitches. I guess we know where the maners get their inspiration. At least Plummer has some class.

Baconeater
12-05-2005, 02:33 AM
Great story,the only thing it's missing is some depressing violin music in the background

Rain Man
12-05-2005, 02:41 AM
At some point, Plummer's going to have a complete meltdown. He's already had two embarrassing incidents with the press. I can't wait to see him physically attack some reporter.

Demonpenz
12-05-2005, 02:43 AM
At some point, Plummer's going to have a complete meltdown. He's already had two embarrassing incidents with the press. I can't wait to see him physically attack some reporter.


I heard he was shaking a reporter earlier saying "IT WAS A SPOT FOUL!"

RedDread
12-05-2005, 02:45 AM
After reading stuff like this I'm beginning to think a team's fans take after the personalities on that team.

Guru
12-05-2005, 02:47 AM
After reading stuff like this I'm beginning to think a team's fans take after the personalities on that team.

They had to learn it from somewhere.:shake:

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 02:54 AM
Whiny Donks! Cheating Donks! I love it! ROFL

angryllama
12-05-2005, 03:06 AM
Our fans have been very graceful about the loss. Most of us were tempered a bit and ready to be disappointed. You dont win every divisional road game.

With that said, there is some serious gloating going on on this site. You guys have the "right" to do that I guess, but I would say that the mane is a much more reasonable environment right now.

The Bronco players have the right to be upset about the reffing. There were some game changing calls that were questionable. You havent read too many fans with the same attitude though. We saw the chance to win the game right there for the taking, and the team left too much to be determined out of their control at the end. That's how you lose close games in the NFL. On to the Baltimore game and the pursuit of a first round bye.

tk13
12-05-2005, 03:18 AM
More reasonable? No way. Only Bronco fans were the ones going on about this game being a "Superbowl" and blah blah... while I think most of us here think this was a huge game, but still just one step in a very rough process. Now we gotta go to Dallas. Sure there's some celebrating, as there should be, we just had a nice win over a division rival who was playing lights out football. We shouldn't just all sit here with our arms at our side like we're robots. But we've still got a long ways to go. That whole reasonable jargon is just an attempt at self assurance that Bronco fans didn't write a bunch of checks their mouth can't cash.

philfree
12-05-2005, 03:22 AM
I hope they cry themselves into losing two out of the next four. Fuggin jack-asses..........they got away with holding on crucial calls and PI on Kennison and tackling our players around the head and they think they got cheated? It all came out in the wash....I like their attitude tough and I hope they keep it up. The only way we won this game is by having the balls to throw the red flag when the officials tried to hand the donks another win.

I don't want donk fans to humble themsleves by eating crow, IMO they should have to eat the donky poop they leave behind where ever they tread.

For those donk fans who have logged in after the game and said congrats my Chiefs cap is off to you for your sportsmanship but to the donk players and fans who wanna cry foul after some of the things I've seen they need to wear LJs used diapers.

PhilFree:arrow:
~Now that I've got my body temp above 80 degrees I think I'll crank up the TiVO and watch the deatails I missed when I was in my emotional live at the game frenzy~

angryllama
12-05-2005, 03:42 AM
More reasonable? No way. Only Bronco fans were the ones going on about this game being a "Superbowl" and blah blah... while I think most of us here think this was a huge game, but still just one step in a very rough process. Now we gotta go to Dallas. Sure there's some celebrating, as there should be, we just had a nice win over a division rival who was playing lights out football. We shouldn't just all sit here with our arms at our side like we're robots. But we've still got a long ways to go. That whole reasonable jargon is just an attempt at self assurance that Bronco fans didn't write a bunch of checks their mouth can't cash.

It is safe to say that if KC lost that game, that their season would effectively be finished. KC needed that game alot more than Denver did.

huskerdooz
12-05-2005, 04:35 AM
It is safe to say that if KC lost that game, that their season would effectively be finished. KC needed that game alot more than Denver did.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Well maybe not never but pretty close.

philfree
12-05-2005, 04:47 AM
If we had lost but then won the next four it wouldn't be over at all. I hate all the absolutes I hear this time of year. If that shit was ever right nobody would go to the games because they had already been told what was gonna happen. We'd all bet the line and collect and never need a job again......... :) ........So if I bet on what the angryllama thinks will he back me with his money as well as his bull shit? :rolleyes: Not likely ROFL

PhilFree:arrow:

RedDread
12-05-2005, 04:49 AM
Our fans have been very graceful about the loss. Most of us were tempered a bit and ready to be disappointed. You dont win every divisional road game.

With that said, there is some serious gloating going on on this site. You guys have the "right" to do that I guess, but I would say that the mane is a much more reasonable environment right now.

The Bronco players have the right to be upset about the reffing. There were some game changing calls that were questionable. You havent read too many fans with the same attitude though. We saw the chance to win the game right there for the taking, and the team left too much to be determined out of their control at the end. That's how you lose close games in the NFL. On to the Baltimore game and the pursuit of a first round bye.

You act like bitching about the Refs is a rare occurance on the OM.

Almost every congradulatory thread I've seen has been: congrats but (bunch of excuses and complaints).

Such is the nature of the fans, and the team it seems. People ask me why I hate Denver more than Oakland...it's not the team, it's the whiny arrogant fans.

One day of humility changes nothing. 4321

MichaelH
12-05-2005, 05:54 AM
The bottom line is the Chiefs won. :clap:

The refs have screwed every team in the league this year and in past years. It's part of the game. But crying about the Lynch hit is assinine. It was an illegal hit and the call was correct.

the Talking Can
12-05-2005, 06:10 AM
Our fans have been very graceful about the loss. Most of us were tempered a bit and ready to be disappointed. You dont win every divisional road game.

With that said, there is some serious gloating going on on this site. You guys have the "right" to do that I guess, but I would say that the mane is a much more reasonable environment right now.

The Bronco players have the right to be upset about the reffing. There were some game changing calls that were questionable. You havent read too many fans with the same attitude though. We saw the chance to win the game right there for the taking, and the team left too much to be determined out of their control at the end. That's how you lose close games in the NFL. On to the Baltimore game and the pursuit of a first round bye.

keep crying

and next time you come to Arrowhead have the sack to convert on 4th and 1....

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:06 PM
The bottom line is the Chiefs won. :clap:

The refs have screwed every team in the league this year and in past years. It's part of the game. But crying about the Lynch hit is assinine. It was an illegal hit and the call was correct.

I agree totally on your first point. The Chiefs did what was necessary to win that game. It was their win on their day. No big deal. Like I said before, most of us chalked this one up as a loss before the game. I'm just happy that the Broncos came in and took the fight into the 12th round and through to the final bell at Arrowhead. That says alot about Denver to me.

ChiefsfaninPA
12-05-2005, 02:09 PM
I agree totally on your first point. The Chiefs did what was necessary to win that game. It was their win on their day. No big deal. Like I said before, most of us chalked this one up as a loss before the game. I'm just happy that the Broncos came in and took the fight into the 12th round and through to the final bell at Arrowhead. That says alot about Denver to me.

Of course you chalked it up as a loss now. You always leave yourself that out. I hope you enjoy chalking up the Donkeys collapse to this ARSEWHOOPING by us.

Cave Johnson
12-05-2005, 02:12 PM
At some point, Plummer's going to have a complete meltdown. He's already had two embarrassing incidents with the press. I can't wait to see him physically attack some reporter.

I'd pay money to see Pornstache have a Ryan Leaf-esque tantrum.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:12 PM
Of course you chalked it up as a loss now. You always leave yourself that out. I hope you enjoy chalking up the Donkeys collapse to this ARSEWHOOPING by us.


Lets recap: The Chiefs won on their own field by 4 in a game where the teams traded scores all day.

I wouldnt really call that a buttwhoopin'. 30-3 and a mercy TD with shavings of time left on the clock is a buttwhoopin'.

ChiefsfaninPA
12-05-2005, 02:14 PM
Lets recap: The Chiefs won on their own field by 4 in a game where the teams traded scores all day.

I wouldnt really call that a buttwhoopin'. 30-3 and a mercy TD with shavings of time left on the clock is a buttwhoopin'.


Name one spot where you outplayed us or did better than us then. Crying about the refs is the only thing you excel at.

PastorMikH
12-05-2005, 02:19 PM
It is amazing how Denver can complain about the officiating. I was pointing stuff out to the wife and kids that the officials were missing calls against Denver as well as stuff they were calling against the Chiefs that were really picky or even non-existent.


Lynch is a dirty player. The refs know that. He's going to get calls that some other players may not get because he is a jerk and dirty player. Mouthing off to the refs just ensures that they will continue to throw the flag really quick the next time too.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:19 PM
Name one spot where you outplayed us or did better than us then. Crying about the refs is the only thing you excel at.

Sounds like you're doing a whole lot of crying right now! How's it feel knowing that even with your win, that your team probably wont finish close enough to Denver to make the playoffs? :(

ChiefsfaninPA
12-05-2005, 02:21 PM
Sounds like you're doing a whole lot of crying right now! How's it feel knowing that even with your win, that your team probably wont finish close enough to Denver to make the playoffs? :(

I am crying..... Crying with joy at the arsestomping we put the Donks through. That game yesterday was a division changer. The Donks won't rebound.

HemiEd
12-05-2005, 02:21 PM
“Like they (the Chiefs) don’t have good players,” Plummer asked. “They went out there and played well.

“That would be an insult to them (to say the Broncos gave it away). I can’t say that.”



I was shocked by Plummer showing what I determine as some class in this quote.

PastorMikH
12-05-2005, 02:23 PM
With that said, there is some serious gloating going on on this site.



For the record, I have NEVER heard a Donkey fan gloat over a win. I've never, ever seen a Donkey fan rub the noses of a Chiefs BB after a Donkey W. I've never, ever, ever, heard donkey fans brag about a W over Chiefs for an entire off-season either.

I also have a personally autographed John Elway Jersy I'll gladly give you for free if you'll send me your address.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:23 PM
I am crying..... Crying with joy at the arsestomping we put the Donks through. That game yesterday was a division changer. The Donks won't rebound.


Boy..you are the stubborn homer!

ChiefsfaninPA
12-05-2005, 02:25 PM
Boy..you are the stubborn homer!


Now you are starting to understand.

beavis
12-05-2005, 02:26 PM
Lets recap: The Chiefs won on their own field by 4 in a game where the teams traded scores all day.

I wouldnt really call that a buttwhoopin'. 30-3 and a mercy TD with shavings of time left on the clock is a buttwhoopin'.
Game at Invesco: 1 W for the Donkeys
Game at Arrowhead: 1 W for the Chiefs

Too bad for you they don't include margin of victory in the standings.

Sully
12-05-2005, 02:26 PM
Name one spot where you outplayed us or did better than us then.

I would love an answer to this one.

TEX
12-05-2005, 02:26 PM
Lets recap: The Chiefs won on their own field by 4 in a game where the teams traded scores all day.

I wouldnt really call that a buttwhoopin'. 30-3 and a mercy TD with shavings of time left on the clock is a buttwhoopin'.

Sure that was, but it's much more staisfying to KICK ASS, the way we did yesterday, when BOTH TEAMS are at FULL STRENGTH. Everything you did yesterday, we did better. Shoot, we even had 1 more turnover. I must admit that you guys are truly better at whining afterwards. But I'll try my hand at it - here it goes... You should be very thankful for that sechedule of yours - like always. I mean only ONCE all year did you have to play back-to-back road games - and when you did, you split the trip (almost lost them both though). There, do I sound like Bronco fan now? ROFL

Pitt Gorilla
12-05-2005, 02:28 PM
The Bronco players have the right to be upset about the reffing.
Exactly. That's what teams do when they lose; they look for excuses.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:28 PM
For the record, I have NEVER heard a Donkey fan gloat over a win. I've never, ever seen a Donkey fan rub the noses of a Chiefs BB after a Donkey W. I've never, ever, ever, heard donkey fans brag about a W over Chiefs for an entire off-season either.

I also have a personally autographed John Elway Jersy I'll gladly give you for free if you'll send me your address.


I didnt say that there arent Bronco fans that are impersonal and obnoxious because there are many of them that I have a hard time talking to as well. There are idiot homers of every persuasion.

I brought the gloating point up because some of your resident homers (nothing wrong with that) started immediately going off on fantasy voyages where the Chiefs are now some unstoppable monster that is plowing through the NFL's top teams over the next four weeks. That's pretty funny if you ask me. Not that I dont think that the Chiefs have a good shot, but they have a very difficult schedule and have to compete with other quality teams who are playing cupcakes.

Skip Towne
12-05-2005, 02:28 PM
It's always the same story with the Donx after a loss. The refs screwed them. It's really quite tiring.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 02:31 PM
Game at Invesco: 1 W for the Donkeys
Game at Arrowhead: 1 W for the Chiefs

Too bad for you they don't include margin of victory in the standings.

Actually, they do now include margin of victory in playoff seeding tiebreakers it was moved ahead of strength of schedule before this year. Its behind record, head to head, division record, and conference record.

Calcountry
12-05-2005, 02:41 PM
I agree totally on your first point. The Chiefs did what was necessary to win that game. It was their win on their day. No big deal. Like I said before, most of us chalked this one up as a loss before the game. I'm just happy that the Broncos came in and took the fight into the 12th round and through to the final bell at Arrowhead. That says alot about Denver to me.Fair enough, but it says a lot about the Chiefs too.

PastorMikH
12-05-2005, 02:45 PM
I didnt say that there arent Bronco fans that are impersonal and obnoxious because there are many of them that I have a hard time talking to as well. There are idiot homers of every persuasion.

I brought the gloating point up because some of your resident homers (nothing wrong with that) started immediately going off on fantasy voyages where the Chiefs are now some unstoppable monster that is plowing through the NFL's top teams over the next four weeks. That's pretty funny if you ask me. Not that I dont think that the Chiefs have a good shot, but they have a very difficult schedule and have to compete with other quality teams who are playing cupcakes.



Yeah, not everyone can get a Cheesecake schedule like Shanny does.

I personally think that the Chiefs can beat every team they face between now and week 17. If they can't, then we really have no business thinking about the playoffs anyway.

FWIW, the Chiefs are notorius for playing to the level of their competition. They can upset really good teams and lose to really bad teams (Buffalo for example). They've been like that ever since DV came. Right now I'm more comfortable playing the good teams.

Calcountry
12-05-2005, 02:46 PM
Lets recap: The Chiefs won on their own field by 4 in a game where the teams traded scores all day.

I wouldnt really call that a buttwhoopin'. 30-3 and a mercy TD with shavings of time left on the clock is a buttwhoopin'.Our tackles were out, and Sims was out and Warfield was out.

Yeah, it was a buttwhoopin all right.

Your D lineman thought it would be candy from a baby all over again too. That is why Trent was hard counting them to let them know that they were HIS bitch this time. How many offsides did your line get called for?

No wonder it seemed like they were on crack the last time they played us, they must have had a "tell" on the snap count and were getting off the ball like fiends. That is the single biggest difference between this game and last, it set the tone for the rest of the game, you didn't see TG getting hurried this game, did you?

Props, to Trent, or whomever coach figured this out and gameplaned some snap count variations into our plays. Slowed them over agressive speed popping lineman down just enough to be effective.

PastorMikH
12-05-2005, 02:47 PM
It's always the same story with the Donx after a loss. The refs screwed them. It's really quite tiring.


FWIW, if memory serves me correctly, every time the Chiefs starting gaining momentum in Denver, the refs found some reason to throw a flag to put us in a hole.

PastorMikH
12-05-2005, 02:50 PM
Y'know, if Buffalo were to upset the Donkeys in Buffalo like they did us, and SD beats them, it's possible that they are fighting for the WC spot instead of us.

:)

Tuckdaddy
12-05-2005, 02:50 PM
At least Plummer said the right thing. He probably feels like they gave away the game but at least he had the damn sense not to say it. We did play well and the Donkeys can eat my ass if they think different.

patteeu
12-05-2005, 03:03 PM
Actually, they do now include margin of victory in playoff seeding tiebreakers it was moved ahead of strength of schedule before this year. Its behind record, head to head, division record, and conference record.

I don't think so. Are you thinking of "strength of victory?" Strength of victory has something to do with the records or the points scored by the teams you've beaten.

angryllama
12-05-2005, 03:10 PM
I don't think so. Are you thinking of "strength of victory?" Strength of victory has something to do with the records or the points scored by the teams you've beaten.

Yeah..that's the one.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.



NFL.com doesnt explain what all strength of victory entails, but I do recall that margin of victory was included in the analysis.

TEX
12-05-2005, 03:30 PM
I didnt say that there arent Bronco fans that are impersonal and obnoxious because there are many of them that I have a hard time talking to as well. There are idiot homers of every persuasion.

I brought the gloating point up because some of your resident homers (nothing wrong with that) started immediately going off on fantasy voyages where the Chiefs are now some unstoppable monster that is plowing through the NFL's top teams over the next four weeks. That's pretty funny if you ask me. Not that I dont think that the Chiefs have a good shot, but they have a very difficult schedule and have to compete with other quality teams who are playing cupcakes.

Well they did just plow over the league's best run defense - right? :hmmm:

el borracho
12-05-2005, 03:33 PM
Keitzman: "Gunther, what is best in life?"
Cunningham: "Crush da Chahghas. See da Raydahs driven before you. Hear the lamentation of da Broncos." ROFL

Lzen
12-05-2005, 04:20 PM
This Donkey whining reminds me of 2 years ago when Dante made them look like the Keystone Cops once again. Heh, they still had a chance to win the game after that and they didn't do it. Same with this year.

Ebolapox
12-05-2005, 06:19 PM
jesus h. christ--cry me a river, jackasses

-EB-