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Tuckdaddy
12-05-2005, 05:43 PM
I was on the bandwagon for him to move on but the players love him and we have seen them play at a higher level the last three weeks. I have no doubt alot of that is DV's faith in them and the respect he gives them. Maybe I'm nuts and it's just the health of the players but the defense has definitely pick up the pace with Gun pumping them up but we just spent serious cash on this team and if DV walks so will the good offense we have.

Find the best replacements for Roaf and Shields that you can, Priest can back up Johnson. Keep Trent for one more go.

KChiefsQT
12-05-2005, 05:44 PM
I was on the bandwagon for him to move on but the players love him and we have seen them play at a higher level the last three weeks. I have no doubt alot of that is DV's faith in them and the respect he gives them. Maybe I'm nuts and it's just the health of the players but the defense has definitely pick up the pace with Gun pumping them up but we just spent serious cash on this team and if DV walks so will the good offense we have.

Find the best replacements for Roaf and Shields that you can, Priest can back up Johnson. Keep Trent for one more go.

Roaf and Shields have to stick it out one more year... :deevee: :deevee: I know... wishful thinking.

Scorp
12-05-2005, 05:44 PM
I can't jump on that bandwagon. I want a superbowl, dammit carl!

Brock
12-05-2005, 05:45 PM
flip flop

chiefsfaninNC
12-05-2005, 05:47 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I want DV gone. It is time for some youth. Both on the coaching side as well as the players.

Tuckdaddy
12-05-2005, 05:56 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I want DV gone. It is time for some youth. Both on the coaching side as well as the players.


Unless we tank the rest of the year we should all want him back. If we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs I think he should still return. We damn sure had better keep Gun no matter what DV does.

DTLB58
12-05-2005, 05:58 PM
I'm leaning towards wanting him to still leave but I will reserve final judgement till AFTER the season.

I could see us winning 3 of the next 4 or losing all 4. Nobody should want him back if we tank the next 4 games.

Let's finish the season first.

chiefsfaninNC
12-05-2005, 06:01 PM
Unless we tank the rest of the year we should all want him back. If we finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs I think he should still return. We damn sure had better keep Gun no matter what DV does.


Why should we all want him back? He has made the playoffs once. He has not won a playoff game. He makes stupid coaching decisions (look at the 2 series for Priest one for LJ). His players complain of fatigue with his marathon practices. For me he is too old. His best days are behind him.

CoMoChief
12-05-2005, 06:08 PM
The ONLY way I would want him to stay is if Roaf and Shields are locks to return next season. Our offense is really starting to hit it's stride and if we were to make it far into the playoffs and lose then it shouldn't be time for a major change. Not to mention that the defense should be great next year, yes thats right, I said great. Draft another CB or DL and I think we would be set to have a great defense. Who'll be out there in FA is also gonna be interesting.

I think LJ should start and get most of the carries next season and Priest should come in on 3rd down or when LJ needs a breather, simliar to the Marshall Faulk role in STL. Let's face it people, Priest is/was a FANTASTIC running back, maybe one of the best ever even though I doubt he'll make the HOF, but the guy is just too injury prone to really count on for an entire season. We were lucky to have someone like him as a person who is very humble and modest when it comes to team personality. He was a good example to the community and a class act. I mean the guy literally kept signed jerseys and cards in his car so if people saw him in public he would go and give them something if they asked for it. I know this simply b/c one of my friends got the opportunity to meet him at a car repair shop. There arent many people in the NFL that would do that.

If we could sign a good RG or RT to give Shields some rest would be a good thing IMO. I thought I heard somewhere that Reggie Wayne is gonna be a FA this next season and I must say that I would LOVE to see him in red and gold, though I could be wrong.

DV doesn't really seem like he's burned out or anything. He almost looks fired up as he has been since he's been here. He's a football coach, he loves the game, he lives for the game and if we make it to the playoffs and go deep into them, I think he comes back on the fact that we're really close to becoming a superbowl team. Now, should we win the SB, yes I think he should retire based on theres nothing else he needs to play/coach for.

PS - When it comes to ANY defensive players, schemes, situations, DV should not be allowed to have a say on anything. Let Gun be almost like another HC but leave him to coach the defense without the say of DV. IF this all happens, let DV stay.

HemiEd
12-05-2005, 06:15 PM
Why should we all want him back? He has made the playoffs once. He has not won a playoff game. He makes stupid coaching decisions (look at the 2 series for Priest one for LJ). His players complain of fatigue with his marathon practices. For me he is too old. His best days are behind him.


I have read on here several times about these long practices and people complaining he is too soft. I can not remember ever reading where a player complained about the practices, maybe I just missed it. I wonder which it is, I can not see how it can be both.
1) Too long of practices
2) Too soft

Actually I would love to have him back, with Al Saunders being my second choice but most will disagree with me on that.

FringeNC
12-05-2005, 06:19 PM
I find it amazing that anyone wouldn't want DV to return. Look at all the incompentent tool head coaches out there...How many good ones are there? Very few.

Ralphy Boy
12-05-2005, 06:29 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I want DV gone. It is time for some youth. Both on the coaching side as well as the players.

And by "youth" do you mean new QB, LT, WR, RG in addition to an entirely new coaching staff? Because if so, that means years of waiting and I want no part of that. I've seen "youth" that takes way too long and I'm not ready to tear apart the house that Dick built in the hopes that the "youth" King Carl selects will be good enough to get us where we already know DV is capable of getting us.

Buffalo, Detroit, Minnesota, Houston, Baltimore, New Orleans and I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but the point is, do you really think they are better off than we are? Minnesota is the only one in the hunt and they didn't get there until a veteran 37 year old QB came into the picture.

Sure, we need new players to replace some aging vets, but it astounds me when people want to get rid of what works and right now, this works.
Our coaching staff on offense is second to none, our staff on defense is just now starting to gel and I don't want to change schemes there or on our record setting offense any time soon.

We need to go bargain shopping in the offseason for a WR, pass rusher and to find an eventual replacement for Trent. There will be a few available who were well regarded coming out of college that have been in the wrong system that might pan out (Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Rivers). I say bring in whoever is available, interview the hell out of them, study their COLLEGE & pro game tapes and see which one will work best. This offense isn't ideal for all QB's or WR's, it just takes the right ones. Did anybody think Green, Kurt Warner or Mark Bulger would be capable of running this sofisticated of an offense when they came out of college? No, otherwise they'd have been drafted in the first round. The same goes for WR's.

Our coaching strategies are not flawed, they are capable (with the right players) of being the very best, so I don't care to change them. Just bring in the right talent to continue to advance what we've already accomplished.
People can bag on Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy & Marty all they want, because they haven't won the big one, but they were in the hunt every year and I'd much rather be in that situation than hoping that the "youth" might, someday, maybe, hopefully, pretty please God I'm begging you, get us there.
Common sense says that if you are in the hunt every year, your odds are much better than being in the hunt if you keep changing over your coaching staff & players.

chiefsfaninNC
12-05-2005, 06:55 PM
By youth I don't mean the entire team. Trent still has one or two more years in him, but we need to look to the future. Shields is done after this year and most likely Willie Roaf as well. We need to draft a stud LT 1st pick. DL is another area of age.

Ralphy Boy
12-05-2005, 06:56 PM
Other than his overall health & that of his players, two more things I think will factor in to his decision to return or not:
1) Schedule if it sucks, it'll be a long year and he has said repeatedly that schedule is a big factor in making the playoffs.
2) Probably not a big factor, but he is on the verge of becoming one of the top 20 all time winningest coaches. He and Shanahan both have 116 wins. Marty is already #9, Parcells # 11, Gibbs # 14, Cowher #15, Holmgren # 17. DV needs 10 combined regular & post season wins to pass Jim Mora & 12 to pass Ditka.

Ralphy Boy
12-05-2005, 07:07 PM
By youth I don't mean the entire team. Trent still has one or two more years in him, but we need to look to the future. Shields is done after this year and most likely Willie Roaf as well. We need to draft a stud LT 1st pick. DL is another area of age.

We agree on the LT, that is where I want our 1st rounder to go, if God willing there is a good one within reach. DL isn't that old, Hicks just turned 29, Carlos Hall 26, Sims 25, Allen 23, Wilkerson 24, Siavii 27. Only Dalton 30 & Browning 32 are on the wrong side of 30. But we do need a pass rusher and thats why I'm pimping Kalimba Edwards, 7 sacks as a backup pass rusher. Something tells me Robert Mathis and his 11 sacks won't be leaving Indy, even though he is a free agent. It seems like Kyle Vanden Bosch is a FA and he's managed to get 10.5 on a lackluster Titan's team.

JBucc
12-05-2005, 07:08 PM
I think Shields and Roaf should return

BigChiefFan
12-05-2005, 09:35 PM
Vermeil is a damn good football coach. I definitely think he should give it one more year. He's a hell of a motivator and his players believe in him, like he believes in them.

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 09:38 PM
I think another year wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

oaklandhater
12-05-2005, 09:40 PM
What are you ppl smokeing we beat the donks and you guys are acting like,We JUST WON THE SUPERBOWL!

milkman
12-05-2005, 10:19 PM
And by "youth" do you mean new QB, LT, WR, RG in addition to an entirely new coaching staff? Because if so, that means years of waiting and I want no part of that. I've seen "youth" that takes way too long and I'm not ready to tear apart the house that Dick built in the hopes that the "youth" King Carl selects will be good enough to get us where we already know DV is capable of getting us.

He's done it before, but he hasn't jack yet in KC.

Buffalo, Detroit, Minnesota, Houston, Baltimore, New Orleans and I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but the point is, do you really think they are better off than we are? Minnesota is the only one in the hunt and they didn't get there until a veteran 37 year old QB came into the picture.

New England, Cinncinatti, San Diego, Jax, Seattle, Chicago are examples of teams that have been, or are teams that rebuilt and have or are in the hunt.

Sure, we need new players to replace some aging vets, but it astounds me when people want to get rid of what works and right now, this works.
Our coaching staff on offense is second to none, our staff on defense is just now starting to gel and I don't want to change schemes there or on our record setting offense any time soon.

You make it sound like we have some outstanding talent in the coaching staff.
We don't.

It's taken them 10 games to figure out how to utilize the talent that they have to work with, and in Al's case, he never adjusted to Raof and Wellborne's absences.

We need to go bargain shopping in the offseason for a WR, pass rusher and to find an eventual replacement for Trent. There will be a few available who were well regarded coming out of college that have been in the wrong system that might pan out (Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Rivers). I say bring in whoever is available, interview the hell out of them, study their COLLEGE & pro game tapes and see which one will work best. This offense isn't ideal for all QB's or WR's, it just takes the right ones. Did anybody think Green, Kurt Warner or Mark Bulger would be capable of running this sofisticated of an offense when they came out of college? No, otherwise they'd have been drafted in the first round. The same goes for WR's.

Our coaching strategies are not flawed, they are capable (with the right players) of being the very best, so I don't care to change them. Just bring in the right talent to continue to advance what we've already accomplished.
People can bag on Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy & Marty all they want, because they haven't won the big one, but they were in the hunt every year and I'd much rather be in that situation than hoping that the "youth" might, someday, maybe, hopefully, pretty please God I'm begging you, get us there.
Common sense says that if you are in the hunt every year, your odds are much better than being in the hunt if you keep changing over your coaching staff & players.

Systems don't make players.
Players make the system.

It's true that there are players that aren't suited for certain systems.

But the fact is, the only reason this system has been effective in KC is the O-Line.

Build a good O-Line, and any system is going to be successful.

Cochise
12-05-2005, 10:25 PM
Vermeil is in the better half of the league in head coaches. We could do a heck of a lot worse.

philfree
12-05-2005, 10:55 PM
Stay! As far as not doing jack in KC is concerned I guess getting a coach in KC who hasn't done jack anywhere would be better. As far taking 10 games to adjust I think that BS. With a completely discombobulated O line we still had an offense that was ranked in the top 10. With the return of Roaf and better RT play we've suddenly #3.......What a bunch of lacky's we have running our offense.

The D's coming and I have a feeling that next year will be the year that our D becomes a top D like we had in the 90's.

If DV don't stay then AS gets his shot and hopefully Gun will wanna work for him and stay to run the D. We must maintain continuity.

PhilFree:arrow:

tonyetony
12-05-2005, 11:09 PM
Vermeil is ok, but, Al and Gun make 95% of all the game day decisions. DV is there to throw the replay flag basically, and i can't say I didn't like his last 2 slings on that red bird.

But...

He has the temperament of a girl scout. He needs to pull up the depends and get pissed this time of year. It's going to take a lot of mental toughness to get this team a superbowl ring this year....NOT Frailty and a Penchant of over-loyalty and excuses for certain players.

Come on Dick You Can Do This. Right now...right here.....THIS YEAR!

And then you can retire and I can die a happy man.


PS

DV can retire growing grapes and drinking wine

If there is ever a drought he can remember this season and turn on the sprinkler system.

Dick Vermeil =a one man irrigation system ,grape growing, extraordinaire.

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:11 PM
I'll reiterate my comments...Dick can stay, but only if LJ is the starter.

There is zero reason to make Priest the starter next year.

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:13 PM
Hey gochiefs. Im wanting to put a pic as my sig. How do I?

stevieray
12-05-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm leaning towards wanting him to still leave but I will reserve final judgement till AFTER the season.

I could see us winning 3 of the next 4 or losing all 4. Nobody should want him back if we tank the next 4 games.

Let's finish the season first.

IIRC, we've finished strong every year he's been here.

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:16 PM
Hey gochiefs. Im wanting to put a pic as my sig. How do I?

Use your brain.

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:17 PM
Use your brain.

What happens if you dont have one?

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:17 PM
What happens if you dont have one?

If I was a mod, I could do it for you....

tonyetony
12-05-2005, 11:20 PM
That would be so weird to see you moderating.

tonyetony
12-05-2005, 11:22 PM
Is this part of some scheme to push posters to another board
:hmmm:

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:24 PM
That would be so weird to see you moderating.


What would be weird would be Gochiefs helping me. Im not a smart person.

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:27 PM
What would be weird would be Gochiefs helping me. Im not a smart person.

Just put the image location in your sig and use the IMG tags.

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:29 PM
Just put the image location in your sig and use the IMG tags.

I got it, is it too big?

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:31 PM
Too tall. Max size is 600x250.

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:33 PM
Too tall. Max size is 600x250.


Damn, its 287. Anyway I can make it smaller?

Count Alex's Losses
12-05-2005, 11:35 PM
By asking me:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6394/asses8xp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dunit35
12-05-2005, 11:38 PM
By asking me:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6394/asses8xp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks, man.

tonyetony
12-05-2005, 11:47 PM
I'm really starting to think CP will survive losing
(U Know who) after witnessing that uncaring unselfish act of random kindness.

KcMizzou
12-05-2005, 11:48 PM
I'm really starting to think CP will survive losing
(U Know who) after witnessing that uncaring unselfish act of random kindness.*sniff* Beautiful, aint it?

stevieray
12-05-2005, 11:57 PM
more like nauseating.

tk13
12-06-2005, 12:46 AM
Vermeil is ok, but, Al and Gun make 95% of all the game day decisions. DV is there to throw the replay flag basically, and i can't say I didn't like his last 2 slings on that red bird.

But...

He has the temperament of a girl scout. He needs to pull up the depends and get pissed this time of year. It's going to take a lot of mental toughness to get this team a superbowl ring this year....NOT Frailty and a Penchant of over-loyalty and excuses for certain players.

Come on Dick You Can Do This. Right now...right here.....THIS YEAR!

And then you can retire and I can die a happy man.


PS

DV can retire growing grapes and drinking wine

If there is ever a drought he can remember this season and turn on the sprinkler system.

Dick Vermeil =a one man irrigation system ,grape growing, extraordinaire.
A girl scout? He was the ONLY one saying "they gave this difficult schedule to the right team" about 3 weeks ago when the rest of the pansies on this board and everywhere else were crying about how we were doomed because we play 6 winning teams and we were going 7-9. Screw that crap, he's handled this 1000 times better than everybody else. He's complained about the schedule a lot but he is the only single individual person in the media, TV, radio, or message boards that I've seen that even thinks we have a chance at running this. Thank God he's actually the coach.

Gaz
12-06-2005, 06:38 AM
I want Vermeil to stay. I like what he has done for the team and I like his approach to the game.

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopes DV is around for a long time.

Rausch
12-06-2005, 06:46 AM
I want Vermeil to stay. I like what he has done for the team and I like his approach to the game.

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopes DV is around for a long time.



Ditto.

And if you don't like it you can blow smoke in yer rose-colored bubble bath...

Saggysack
12-06-2005, 06:46 AM
If Vermeil doesn't coach the team to a SB he needs to go. Heck, as things stand now, we don't even make the playoffs. I say 5yrs and a 1 and out playoff appearance is enough. There comes a time when you have to cut the cord.

If we don't win out completely. Bring on Ron Rivera.

Rausch
12-06-2005, 06:48 AM
If Vermeil doesn't coach the team to a SB he needs to go.


And if you can't tickle me balls 'till climax methinks you should go......

Saggysack
12-06-2005, 06:53 AM
And if you can't tickle me balls 'till climax methinks you should go......

You want a man to tickle your balls? Some thing are better left unsaid, fag.

Rausch
12-06-2005, 06:55 AM
You want a man to tickle your balls? Some thing are better left unsaid, Rump Ranger.

Tickle or step the **** aside.

I dont' have time for insecurity! :cuss:

Ralphy Boy
03-01-2010, 08:52 PM
I thought this whole thread was pretty interesting considering we are now into year 5 of the post DV era.

4 years ago...

And by "youth" do you mean new QB, LT, WR, RG in addition to an entirely new coaching staff? Because if so, that means years of waiting and I want no part of that. I've seen "youth" that takes way too long and I'm not ready to tear apart the house that Dick built in the hopes that the "youth" King Carl selects will be good enough to get us where we already know DV is capable of getting us.

Buffalo, Detroit, Minnesota, Houston, Baltimore, New Orleans and I'm sure I'm leaving some out, but the point is, do you really think they are better off than we are? Minnesota is the only one in the hunt and they didn't get there until a veteran 37 year old QB came into the picture.

Sure, we need new players to replace some aging vets, but it astounds me when people want to get rid of what works and right now, this works.
Our coaching staff on offense is second to none, our staff on defense is just now starting to gel and I don't want to change schemes there or on our record setting offense any time soon.

We need to go bargain shopping in the offseason for a WR, pass rusher and to find an eventual replacement for Trent. There will be a few available who were well regarded coming out of college that have been in the wrong system that might pan out (Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Rivers). I say bring in whoever is available, interview the hell out of them, study their COLLEGE & pro game tapes and see which one will work best. This offense isn't ideal for all QB's or WR's, it just takes the right ones. Did anybody think Green, Kurt Warner or Mark Bulger would be capable of running this sofisticated of an offense when they came out of college? No, otherwise they'd have been drafted in the first round. The same goes for WR's.

Our coaching strategies are not flawed, they are capable (with the right players) of being the very best, so I don't care to change them. Just bring in the right talent to continue to advance what we've already accomplished.
People can bag on Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy & Marty all they want, because they haven't won the big one, but they were in the hunt every year and I'd much rather be in that situation than hoping that the "youth" might, someday, maybe, hopefully, pretty please God I'm begging you, get us there.
Common sense says that if you are in the hunt every year, your odds are much better than being in the hunt if you keep changing over your coaching staff & players.

Uhh...I said this with Gunther on staff.:doh!: Not real proud of the Ramsey, Harrington, Carr comment either. Rivers was rumored to be a trade candidate before Brees got hurt.

Oh well, at least I was right about Cowher & Dungy. FTR, Cowher's Steelers were 7 & 5 when I said this and they had lost their last 3 games. They went on to win the last 4 and the Superbowl.

Count Alex's Losses
03-01-2010, 08:57 PM
In retrospect....would three years of Dick have been worse than three years of Herm? Or would it have just kept Carl in power longer? I don't think Dick was headed for 2-14.

Ralphy Boy
03-01-2010, 09:11 PM
In retrospect....would three years of Dick have been worse than three years of Herm? Or would it have just kept Carl in power longer? I don't think Dick was headed for 2-14.

Well it sure as shit wouldn't have been worse.

Count Alex's Losses
03-01-2010, 09:16 PM
Well it sure as shit wouldn't have been worse.

See you can argue it would have been. Herm was just inept enough to get Carl fired. Dick? Probably not.

Dave Lane
03-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Vermeil is in the better half of the league in head coaches. We could do a heck of a lot worse.

God was this a prophecy or what...

Ralphy Boy
03-01-2010, 09:44 PM
See you can argue it would have been. Herm was just inept enough to get Carl fired. Dick? Probably not.

Well sure there's that side of it. I was referring to the time with Herm.

Consistent1
03-01-2010, 09:47 PM
Someone should get kicked in the nuts for bumping this....