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donkhater
12-06-2005, 05:52 AM
Clearly, I would love for KC to run the table. But this board doesn't have to go into meltdown mode should KC lose their next two games---as long as they win their last two home games.

For KC to make the playoffs under that scenario:

1) Denver would have to win out, including at SD. The schedule does us a favor, for once, more in a minute.

2) Pitt would have to lose one of their remaining games, it doesn't matter which one.

3) SD would have to lose at KC and vs. Denver in the finale. It wouldn't even matter if they beat Indy or not.

KC would get in due to their better division record over SD and a better conference record than PIT.

Here would be the situation going into the final week:

1) Pitt would be 9-6 (presuming they lost to CHI or MIN) needing both KC (9-6) AND SD (10-5) to lose.

2) KC would be 9-6 needing to beat CIN and DEN to win at SD.

IMPROBABLE? NO Here's why:

Denver at SD is on New Year's eve. Denver owns the tie breaker over CIN (better conf. record) for the #2 seed in the playoffs. Both liekly will be 12-3 going into the final week. They would need to beat SD to get a bye.

Should Denver win that game on that Saturday, CIN would be locked into the #3 playoff position regardless if they won or lost. Sinc ethe game is totally meaningless, and considering that they would play the following week in the playoffs, it is highly likely that most of CIN starters wouldn't play, giving KC a huge edge.

Of course that would set up the playoffs such that KC would travel to CIN on Wildcard weekend to try and beat the team that just laid down for rest.

Rausch
12-06-2005, 06:06 AM
Bullshit!

We'll rip out assholes and strangle ****ers with colons!

keg in kc
12-06-2005, 06:12 AM
Sorry, but I refuse to go into the next 4 games with this loser "if we lose the next two" bullshit defeatist attitude. Our destiny is in our hands. Win at least 3 of 4 and we're in. Period.

Douche Baggins
12-06-2005, 06:31 AM
Well, Denver playing on Saturday certainly is a huge favor for KC regardless.

And maybe Sammy Knight can separate Chad Johnson's head from his shoulders.

donkhater
12-06-2005, 07:14 AM
Sorry, but I refuse to go into the next 4 games with this loser "if we lose the next two" bullshit defeatist attitude. Our destiny is in our hands. Win at least 3 of 4 and we're in. Period.
I'm not taking a defeatest attitude. I'm just thinking of possible scenarios to get KC in the dance. It's better than talking about whether or not Garth Brooks is gay.

Here's an interesting twist:

Say KC wins at either Dallas or NYG and the rest of the regular season plays out like above.

The last game vs. CIN would be meaningless. Both CIN and KC would have clinched their playoff berths AND seeding and KC could rest some players for the wildcard game.

IN essence, KC would get a bye week with a 10-6 or 11-5 record.

BigRedChief
12-06-2005, 07:44 AM
We also get a first round playoff bye if we win out and Denver loses to the Raiders or the Chargers.

ct
12-06-2005, 07:47 AM
We also get a first round playoff bye if we win out and Denver loses to the Raiders or the Chargers.

Now that's what I'm talkin about!!

Molitoth
12-06-2005, 07:52 AM
We also get a first round playoff bye if we win out and Denver loses to the Raiders or the Chargers


Thats what I wanna see.

donkhater
12-06-2005, 08:14 AM
We also get a first round playoff bye if we win out and Denver loses to the Raiders or the Chargers.
Actually, that is yet to be determined.

Should that scenario happen:

1. KC/DEN split the season series
2. Both are 4-2 in the division
3. Both are 10-4 in common games played
4. Both are 9-3 in the conference

It would come down to the fifth tie-breaker which is strength of victory, whoever's opponents has the highest winning percentage (in wins only). With 4 weeks to go, that is a toss up.

recxjake
12-06-2005, 08:26 AM
Clearly, I would love for KC to run the table. But this board doesn't have to go into meltdown mode should KC lose their next two games---as long as they win their last two home games.

For KC to make the playoffs under that scenario:

1) Denver would have to win out, including at SD. The schedule does us a favor, for once, more in a minute.

2) Pitt would have to lose one of their remaining games, it doesn't matter which one.

3) SD would have to lose at KC and vs. Denver in the finale. It wouldn't even matter if they beat Indy or not.

KC would get in due to their better division record over SD and a better conference record than PIT.

Here would be the situation going into the final week:

1) Pitt would be 9-6 (presuming they lost to CHI or MIN) needing both KC (9-6) AND SD (10-5) to lose.

2) KC would be 9-6 needing to beat CIN and DEN to win at SD.

IMPROBABLE? NO Here's why:

Denver at SD is on New Year's eve. Denver owns the tie breaker over CIN (better conf. record) for the #2 seed in the playoffs. Both liekly will be 12-3 going into the final week. They would need to beat SD to get a bye.

Should Denver win that game on that Saturday, CIN would be locked into the #3 playoff position regardless if they won or lost. Sinc ethe game is totally meaningless, and considering that they would play the following week in the playoffs, it is highly likely that most of CIN starters wouldn't play, giving KC a huge edge.

Of course that would set up the playoffs such that KC would travel to CIN on Wildcard weekend to try and beat the team that just laid down for rest.

i already gave thiis theory in my thread...... i agree that the saturday game for Denver is huge

Brock
12-06-2005, 08:27 AM
BS. If the chiefs lose 2, it's over.

donkhater
12-06-2005, 08:30 AM
BS. If the chiefs lose 2, it's over.
Now there is a defeatist attitude. I've clearly outlined a scenario in which they could get in at 10-6. They could even rest their starters and lose the last game of the year to finish 10-6 and still get in. And it isn't even that outlandish.

Mr. Laz
12-06-2005, 09:05 AM
But this board doesn't have to go into meltdown mode should KC lose their next two games
:rolleyes:


bashers,meltdowns,negative nellies, not true fans...


laz
~sick to death of this lame crap~

Extra Point
12-06-2005, 09:06 AM
We won't get in at 10-6. We must win 3 games, one of which must be SD.

FringeNC
12-06-2005, 09:20 AM
We have a good enough team to win out. Now that Roaf is back, this is the 2003 Chiefs with a decent defense. Also, that win against Denver battle-tested these guys. We had the second best team in the league come into Arrowhead and play at the top of their game and we won in a back-and-forth battle.

Also, if we are to have any chance of making it to the SB, we almost have to have that #2 seed, and I think DV realizes that.

You're right, though, we could actually back into the playoffs if we beat the AFC teams. At this point, I don't want to contemplate that scenario. I think we are one of the best teams in football, and I think we are going to go into Dallas this weekend and kick their asses.

donkhater
12-06-2005, 09:23 AM
We won't get in at 10-6. We must win 3 games, one of which must be SD.
Not true on both counts.

Let's say KC wins both road games and vs. CIN and SD loses at INDY and in the season finale vs. Denver.

KC is in the playoffs at 11-5 having been swept by SD.

SD is 10-6 and at home crying in their Cheerios.

philfree
12-06-2005, 09:37 AM
I'm all for beating the Cowboys and seeing where the dust settles after week 14. Then repeat in week 15 and when the dust settles we'll see that we are in a playoff position with two home games to go.

PhilFree:arrow:

BigRedChief
12-06-2005, 09:48 AM
Actually, that is yet to be determined.

Should that scenario happen:

1. KC/DEN split the season series
2. Both are 4-2 in the division
3. Both are 10-4 in common games played
4. Both are 9-3 in the conference

It would come down to the fifth tie-breaker which is strength of victory, whoever's opponents has the highest winning percentage (in wins only). With 4 weeks to go, that is a toss up.

Well since we are playing playoff contenders and they are playing an easy schedule shouldn't we come out ahead there?

donkhater
12-06-2005, 10:58 AM
Well since we are playing playoff contenders and they are playing an easy schedule shouldn't we come out ahead there?
It's only the winning percentage of the teams that you BEAT, not the teams that you played (If I understand that correctly).

As of week 13,

The combined record of teams that KC has beaten is 38-50 (.431).

The combined record of teams DEN has beaten is 56-43 (.565)

Now for the fifth tie-breaker to matter, KC would have to beat all winning teams, improving their opponents' winning percentage. At the same time, by virtue of KC winning those games, Denver's opponents winning percentage dips. Denver also plays some pretty poor teams in Balt, Oak and Buff.

So like I said, It still has to be played out.

Calcountry
12-06-2005, 11:37 AM
Now there is a defeatist attitude. I've clearly outlined a scenario in which they could get in at 10-6. They could even rest their starters and lose the last game of the year to finish 10-6 and still get in. And it isn't even that outlandish.This is an oxymoron