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Kclee
12-07-2005, 07:58 AM
according to Mike and Mike in the morning. They were ranking the QB's and have Manning, Brady, and Palmer ahead of Trent. Then Brees, and Plummer. Everyone has been questioning Jake again since the K.C. game. Anyone notice that? Like on PTI they talked about Jake going back to his old self because of the KC game. I love it, I hope it gets in his head and he chokes per usual.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-07-2005, 08:02 AM
The NFL Network guys on Jake Plummer last night, and I quote...

"When people show you who they are, believe them the first time."

I totally agree with that. Jake is crap, and will always be crap. The thing is, is he will be inconsistent crap.

carlos3652
12-07-2005, 08:06 AM
The NFL Network guys on Jake Plummer last night, and I quote...

"When people show you who they are, believe them the first time."

I totally agree with that. Jake is crap, and will always be crap. The thing is, is he will be inconsistent crap.

IMHO, Jake made some plays where they were none on Sunday... yes he did get intercepted twice and he made the most mistakes all year (bar the Miami game maybe). But Jake has played well this year - Kinda ala Drew Brees last year (all those years of sucking and then finally playing better)...

He is not elite but he is better than most...

bkkcoh
12-07-2005, 08:26 AM
according to Mike and Mike in the morning. They were ranking the QB's and have Manning, Brady, and Palmer ahead of Trent. Then Brees, and Plummer. Everyone has been questioning Jake again since the K.C. game. Anyone notice that? Like on PTI they talked about Jake going back to his old self because of the KC game. I love it, I hope it gets in his head and he chokes per usual.

Isn't it about time the Broncos start their slide? I am pretty sure that the Chief's fans have anticipated this happening the last couple of weeks. To them, and me, it was just a matter of time.

Gaz
12-07-2005, 08:32 AM
I doubt the Broncos will lose to the Ravens, Bills or Raiders.

xoxo~
Gaz
As optimistic as the next guy, butÖ

milkman
12-07-2005, 08:37 AM
IMHO, Jake made some plays where they were none on Sunday... yes he did get intercepted twice and he made the most mistakes all year (bar the Miami game maybe). But Jake has played well this year - Kinda ala Drew Brees last year (all those years of sucking and then finally playing better)...

He is not elite but he is better than most...

That is the Fake, in a nutshell.

He has always had the ability to make plays where there weren't any.
But he also makes boneheaded decisions when he's trying to make plays that cost his team.

Those boneheaded decisions have been more frequent over the last couple of seasons.
The Rat essentially cut the field this season in half for the Fake, in hopes of limiting his mistakes, and it has worked, for the most part.

But the Fake showed his dumbass side again on Sunday when the Chiefs shut down the Donkey RBs.

As for the Brees comment, how many years could he have sucked?

He's in his 4th season.

He really only had one bad season, his second.

I'm not a Brees fan, but the fact is, he was just learning, and he had horrible O-Line play.

I found it amazing, and amusing, that the Bolts were ready to throw in the towel on that guy.

Frankie
12-07-2005, 08:40 AM
IMHO, Jake made some plays where they were none on Sunday... yes he did get intercepted twice and he made the most mistakes all year (bar the Miami game maybe). But Jake has played well this year - Kinda ala Drew Brees last year (all those years of sucking and then finally playing better)...

He is not elite but he is better than most...
A fair assessment. :thumb: I still hate Jake, but fair is fair. Rep for not putting on homer glasses.

Gaz
12-07-2005, 08:45 AM
Plummer is a fine QB as long as he is not expected to carry the team on his shoulders. But let us be fair, how many QBs CAN carry the team?

Plummer is going to give you some pretty good plays, but you have to take the amazingly stupid ones as well. As long as the running game is churning out the yardage, the stupid-to-good ratio is low and he looks like a very good QB. Put the onus of victory on him, and the ratio skyrockets.

That is true of most QBs in the NFL.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks Plummer might do okay with KCís Offense.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-07-2005, 08:46 AM
That is the Fake, in a nutshell.

He has always had the ability to make plays where there weren't any.
But he also makes boneheaded decisions when he's trying to make plays that cost his team.

Those boneheaded decisions have been more frequent over the last couple of seasons.
The Rat essentially cut the field this season in half for the Fake, in hopes of limiting his mistakes, and it has worked, for the most part.

But the Fake showed his dumbass side again on Sunday when the Chiefs shut down the Donkey RBs.

As for the Brees comment, how many years could he have sucked?

He's in his 4th season.

He really only had one bad season, his second.

I'm not a Brees fan, but the fact is, he was just learning, and he had horrible O-Line play.

I found it amazing, and amusing, that the Bolts were ready to throw in the towel on that guy.

All you have to do to stop their offense, and win the game depending how good you are on offense, is stop the running game and you'll win. The Fake won't beat you. There are many things in life that aren't guaranteed, but that is one of them- Jake Plummer is destined not to beat you.

Frankie
12-07-2005, 08:48 AM
All I know is I would have taken Plummer over Grbac in a heartbeat.

Kclee
12-07-2005, 08:51 AM
Plummer has played very good this year. I just think you can get in his head and old Jake will start to show. No one has got in his head yet this year, save for maybe the KC game. Hell, Warfield should of had a pick 6 in the game too. I'm just hopeing that Arrowhead is the game that gets in his head and the downward play starts happening. Maybe not though, the old Jake may be gone for good. :shrug:

jidar
12-07-2005, 08:55 AM
There were years where we would have been happy to have a QB like Plummer in KC.
That said he's no Trent Green.

ct
12-07-2005, 09:35 AM
Funny that everyone is baggin on Plummer for throwing 2 picks, when Trent did too.

That said, I'll take Trent over Jake anyday.

pikesome
12-07-2005, 09:37 AM
All I know is I would have taken Plummer over Grbac in a heartbeat.

I'd take the clap over Grbac. And no, I'm not kidding.

KCTitus
12-07-2005, 09:39 AM
All I know is I would have taken Plummer over Grbac in a heartbeat.

Yeah, at the time, I could have gone with that.

Douche Baggins
12-07-2005, 09:47 AM
Funny that everyone is baggin on Plummer for throwing 2 picks, when Trent did too.


Trent's weren't dumbass mistakes.

morphius
12-07-2005, 09:52 AM
Anyone who has been watching jake 3 out of the last four games, I didn't watch last weeks closely enough, but in those games he has thrown 13 balls right in the breadbasket of the defenders and luckily for him only had 2 picked off. This could turn out very ugly come playoff time against a good team.

bkkcoh
12-07-2005, 10:18 AM
I'd take the clap over Grbac. And no, I'm not kidding.


yeah, in a couple of years you could forget you had the :clap:, but we can never forget that Grbac was our QB... :banghead:

phxchief
12-07-2005, 11:49 AM
4th is right where i'd put Green among AFC QBs as well.

He'd lead the league in completion % if he had Tomlinson in the backfield for all those check-downs I see Brees do, with most of them not being at all accurate.

Tuckdaddy
12-07-2005, 11:57 AM
[QUOTE=Gaz]
Plummer is a fine QB as long as he is not expected to carry the team on his shoulders. But let us be fair, how many QBs CAN carry the team?

Plummer is going to give you some pretty good plays, but you have to take the amazingly stupid ones as well. As long as the running game is churning out the yardage, the stupid-to-good ratio is low and he looks like a very good QB. Put the onus of victory on him, and the ratio skyrockets.

That is true of most QBs in the NFL.

xoxo~
Gaz
Thinks Plummer might do okay with KCís Offense.
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Plummer in KC's offense? I really don't think he could do it. Yes Trent benefits from a running game, all QB's do but Plummer has shown for years that he can't stay in the pocket and play well. He's only played well this year because Shanny has limited his decision making. He's not smart enough to run our offense.

the Talking Can
12-07-2005, 11:59 AM
Plummber couldn't run KC's offense...a moran could run Denver's offense.

Gaz
12-07-2005, 12:00 PM
Plummer with a good OL and a running game [ie: KC] is nothing to sneer at.

xoxo~
Gaz
Would rather not find out, though.

Lbedrock1
12-07-2005, 12:10 PM
Everyone has been questioning Jake again since the K.C. game. Anyone notice that? Like on PTI they talked about Jake going back to his old self because of the KC game. I love it, I hope it gets in his head and he chokes per usual.
I think that is crap, he has his team is first place and has been playing well. Im upset about what they are saying about him now because it is a dump on the Chiefs D. They can't be that good because Jake is a bad QB? I found that he got all the praise before he played the Chiefs so maybe just maybe the Chiefs D caused him to look bad.

donkhater
12-07-2005, 12:18 PM
Jake would stink in an offense like KC's. He just isn't accurate enough in the pocket.

On a related note, I shudder to think what Shanahan could do with a Mike Vick (or Vince Young) at QB. Or for that matter if Mora Jr, woul dever get wise and install a system similar to Denver's. He already has Gibbs cut blocking technique.

jspchief
12-07-2005, 12:32 PM
Anyone who has been watching jake 3 out of the last four games, I didn't watch last weeks closely enough, but in those games he has thrown 13 balls right in the breadbasket of the defenders and luckily for him only had 2 picked off. This could turn out very ugly come playoff time against a good team.

He's been doing it all year. He may be making less poor decisions, but he's had a lot of INTs that the defenders just dropped.

I wouldn't be suprised if he crumbled somewhere down the stretch, when team start catching those INTs instead of dropping them. It will be fun to watch the media crucify him for the choke job.

steelyeyed57
12-07-2005, 01:08 PM
I think that is crap, he has his team is first place and has been playing well. Im upset about what they are saying about him now because it is a dump on the Chiefs D. They can't be that good because Jake is a bad QB? I found that he got all the praise before he played the Chiefs so maybe just maybe the Chiefs D caused him to look bad.


I agree. Jake is playing well this year, and I wouldn't qualify his picks as bonehead plays. One one pick he had a guy open in the endzone, but warfield tipped it into surtain's hands. Aside from his two picks, he played a whale of a game. Our defense had him dead to rights in several situations and he found somebody and gained major yardage.

That said, our defense contained the running attack and plummer, kept us in the game, and in the end made a huge stop to win the game.

It's a compliemnt to OUR DEFENSE, not a detriment to Jake Plummer.

morphius
12-07-2005, 01:22 PM
He's been doing it all year. He may be making less poor decisions, but he's had a lot of INTs that the defenders just dropped.

I wouldn't be suprised if he crumbled somewhere down the stretch, when team start catching those INTs instead of dropping them. It will be fun to watch the media crucify him for the choke job.
If a team can play good against the run, there are a couple teams that have showed how easy it is to stop the D if you can stop the bootleg plays. Their red zone game needs that play to work, and if you don't stop it they will kill you with it everytime they get down there.

morphius
12-07-2005, 01:23 PM
I agree. Jake is playing well this year, and I wouldn't qualify his picks as bonehead plays. One one pick he had a guy open in the endzone, but warfield tipped it into surtain's hands. Aside from his two picks, he played a whale of a game. Our defense had him dead to rights in several situations and he found somebody and gained major yardage.

That said, our defense contained the running attack and plummer, kept us in the game, and in the end made a huge stop to win the game.

It's a compliemnt to OUR DEFENSE, not a detriment to Jake Plummer.
Are you forgetting the 2 picks that Warfield dropped? One of those would have gone for a TD and the other would have been an easy INT if Rod Smith hadn't have grabbed his arm, because the lob ball hit him right in the numbers.

Hydrae
12-07-2005, 01:44 PM
I think we are just seeing the "normal" Jake right now. He has had a nice string with no inteceptions but the Cowboys broke that streak and KC made sure he didn't start another one. For this reason and this reason only, I think Denver will have to be lucky to actually win the division.

phxchief
12-07-2005, 01:55 PM
People forget that Trent doesn't have a Chad Johnson or a Marvin Harrison.

Sure, he's got Gonzo, and he enjoys solid protection, but that doesn't hold a candle to Peyton Manning who gets all day to throw after handing off to a top 3 RB before throwing to the best collection of WRs in the NFL in a dome that suits their game.

Douche Baggins
12-07-2005, 02:00 PM
People forget that Trent doesn't have a Chad Johnson or a Marvin Harrison.


Yup. I think if he did, he would look even better. Kennison never gets as wide open as he got on that 54-yard completion. Trent made a perfect throw.

Chad Johnson gets open like that all the damn time.

foxman
12-07-2005, 02:15 PM
Piss on Jake the Fake. Why are we talking about the widgett again? We proved the free world who that nipple head really is. He should have double digit INT's right now, but has been the beneficiary of DB's with stones for hands.