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Adept Havelock
12-07-2005, 11:07 AM
Another chapter in the "Christmas Wars"

MSNBC.com

Bushes' 'holiday' cards ring hollow for some
Christian conservatives wage war to put religion back into Christmas

By Alan Cooperman
The Washington Post
Updated: 11:14 a.m. ET Dec. 7, 2005


What's missing from the White House Christmas card? Christmas.

This month, as in every December since he took office, President Bush sent out cards with a generic end-of-the-year message, wishing 1.4 million of his close friends and supporters a happy "holiday season."

Many people are thrilled to get a White House Christmas card, no matter what the greeting inside. But some conservative Christians are reacting as if Bush stuck coal in their stockings.

"This clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration has suffered a loss of will and that they have capitulated to the worst elements in our culture," said William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

Bush "claims to be a born-again, evangelical Christian. But he sure doesn't act like one," said Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative Web site WorldNetDaily.com. "I threw out my White House card as soon as I got it."

Religious conservatives are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break." They celebrated when House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) insisted that the sparkling spectacle on the Capitol lawn should be called the Capitol Christmas Tree, not a holiday spruce.

'Sent to people of all faiths'
Then along comes a generic season's greeting from the White House, paid for by the Republican National Committee. The cover art is also secular, if not humanist: It shows the presidential pets -- two dogs and a cat -- frolicking on a snowy White House lawn.

"Certainly President and Mrs. Bush, because of their faith, celebrate Christmas," said Susan Whitson, Laura Bush's press secretary. "Their cards in recent years have included best wishes for a holiday season, rather than Christmas wishes, because they are sent to people of all faiths."

That is the same rationale offered by major retailers for generic holiday catalogues, and it is accepted by groups such as the National Council of Churches. "I think it's more important to put Christ back into our war planning than into our Christmas cards," said the council's general secretary, the Rev. Bob Edgar, a former Democratic congressman.

But the White House's explanation does not satisfy the groups -- which have grown in number in recent years -- that believe there is, in the words of the Heritage Foundation, a "war on Christmas" involving an "ever-stronger push toward a neutered 'holiday' season so that non-Christians won't be even the slightest bit offended."

One of the generals on the pro-Christmas side is Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss. "Sometimes it's hard to tell whether this is sinister -- it's the purging of Christ from Christmas -- or whether it's just political correctness run amok," he said. "I think in the case of the White House, it's just political correctness."


Retail boycotts
Wildmon does not give retailers the same benefit of the doubt. This year, he has called for a consumer boycott of Target stores because the chain issued a holiday advertising circular that did not mention Christmas. Last year, he aimed a similar boycott at Macy's Inc., which averted a repeat this December by proclaiming "Merry Christmas" in its advertising and in-store displays.

"It bothers me that the White House card leaves off any reference to Jesus, while we've got Ramadan celebrations in the White House," Wildmon said. "What's going on there?"


At the Catholic League, Donohue had just announced a boycott of the Lands' End catalogue when he received his White House holiday card. True, he said, the Bushes included a verse from Psalm 28, but Psalms are in the Old Testament and do not mention Jesus' birth.

"They'd better address this, because they're no better than the retailers who have lost the will to say 'Merry Christmas,' " he said.

Donohue said that Wal-Mart, facing a threatened boycott, added a Christmas page to its Web site and fired a customer relations employee who wrote a letter linking Christmas to "Siberian shamanism." He was not mollified by a letter from Lands' End saying it "adopted the 'holiday' terminology as a way to comply with one of the basic freedoms granted to all Americans: freedom of religion."

"Ninety-six percent of Americans celebrate Christmas," Donohue said. "Spare me the diversity lecture."

Diversity has been a hallmark of White House greeting cards for some time, according to Mary Evans Seeley of Tampa, Fla., author of "Season's Greetings From the White House." The last presidential Christmas card that mentioned Christmas was in 1992. It was sent by George H.W. and Barbara Bush, parents of the current president.

Seeley said the first president to send out true Christmas cards, as opposed to signed photographs or handwritten letters, was Franklin D. Roosevelt. "Merry Christmas From the President and Mrs. Roosevelt," said his first annual card, in 1933.

Politicization of a holiday
Like many modern touches, the generic New Year's card was introduced to the White House by John and Jacqueline Kennedy. In 1962, they had Hallmark print 2,000 cards, of which 1,800 cards said "The President and Mrs. Kennedy Wish You a Blessed Christmas" and 200 said "With Best Wishes for a Happy New Year."

Lyndon and Lady Bird Johnson continued that tradition for a couple of years, but it required keeping track of Christian and non-Christian recipients. Beginning in 1966, they wished everyone a "Joyous Christmas," and no president has attempted the two-card trick since.

Seeley dates the politicization of the White House Christmas card to Richard M. Nixon, who increased the number of recipients tenfold, to 40,000, in his first year. The numbers since have snowballed, hitting 125,000 under Jimmy Carter, topping 400,000 under Bill Clinton and rising to more than a million under the current Bushes, with each president's political party paying the bill.

The wording, meanwhile, has often flip-flopped. Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter put "Merry Christmas" in their 1977 card and then switched to "Holiday Season" for the next three years. Ronald and Nancy Reagan, similarly, began with a "Joyous Christmas" in 1981 and 1982 but doled out generic holiday wishes from 1983 to 1988. The elder President Bush stayed in the "Merry Christmas" spirit all four years, and the Clintons opted for inclusive greetings for all of their eight years.

The current Bush has straddled the divide, offering generic greetings along with an Old Testament verse. To some religious conservatives, that makes all the difference.

"There's a verse from Scripture in it. I don't mind that at all, as long as we don't try to pretend we're not a nation under God," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company

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Why are so many Fundamentalists whining and playing the victim card on this issue? The courts have found that a creche is welcome on public property as part of a holiday display. Christmas is a federally recognized holiday. Why whine because some places choose to acknowledge that Christmas is not the only holiday celebrated at this time of year? Yeesh. The administration is right on this one. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. The card sent out by the President should be inclusive.

Oh well. Anything that upsets Farah over at World Nut Daily, and the "American Family Association" can't really be a bad thing.

Radar Chief
12-07-2005, 11:11 AM
Lets call holidays what they are. So from now on Christmas will be referred to as “Happy Birthday Jesus”.

;)

memyselfI
12-07-2005, 11:50 AM
ROFL

You would think these RRWNJs would realize that DUHbya does not practice what they preach...Only when it's convenient for himself does he indulge them. ROFL

recxjake
12-07-2005, 11:59 AM
ROFL

You would think these RRWNJs would realize that DUHbya does not practice what they preach...Only when it's convenient for himself does he indulge them. ROFL

these cards get sent out to his big donors all over the country.... how would you feel if you gave W a bunch of $$ and you were Jewish and you got a card that said Merry Christmas??? This is so stupid.... Happy Holidays means all the holidays including Xmas and Happy New year

Boozer
12-07-2005, 12:03 PM
these cards get sent out to his big donors all over the country.... how would you feel if you gave W a bunch of $$ and you were Jewish and you got a card that said Merry Christmas??? This is so stupid.... Happy Holidays means all the holidays including Xmas and Happy New year

That's what "the base" must be upset about: Bush is passing over a perfectly-good conversion opportunity!

Adept Havelock
12-07-2005, 12:11 PM
these cards get sent out to his big donors all over the country.... how would you feel if you gave W a bunch of $$ and you were Jewish and you got a card that said Merry Christmas??? This is so stupid.... Happy Holidays means all the holidays including Xmas and Happy New year

You know that, and I know that. I'm willing to believe everyone knows that. It's just some media whores (Gibson and O'Really?) and a lot of fundies think they can get some favorable press by playing the victim card and whining about "persecution". It's not enough that they clebrate Christmas...they want everyone else to acknowledge it, so they can score "points for god" or some such balderdash.

Don't ask me...i celebrate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus">Dies Natalis Solis Invicti</a>.

memyselfI
12-07-2005, 12:15 PM
these cards get sent out to his big donors all over the country.... how would you feel if you gave W a bunch of $$ and you were Jewish and you got a card that said Merry Christmas??? This is so stupid.... Happy Holidays means all the holidays including Xmas and Happy New year

Ah, light bulb going off...

welcome to the POINT. Guess this only matters if it's convenient for the RRWNJ. Can't offend a donor so 'happy holidays is a-ok.' :rolleyes: :shake:

Nightwish
12-07-2005, 12:44 PM
I think it's only a small minority of the conservative Christian populace that really has any kind of issue with this. I think that small minority needs to seriously get a life. Same goes for the small minority of LWNJs who insist that the word "Christmas" be removed from any public expression.

Adept Havelock
12-07-2005, 12:47 PM
I think it's only a small minority of the conservative Christian populace that really has any kind of issue with this. I think that small minority needs to seriously get a life. Same goes for the small minority of LWNJs who insist that the word "Christmas" be removed from any public expression.


Ding Ding! We Have A Winner! Give that man a kewpie doll!

Nightwish
12-07-2005, 12:47 PM
Ah, light bulb going off...

welcome to the POINT. Guess this only matters if it's convenient for the RRWNJ. Can't offend a donor so 'happy holidays is a-ok.' :rolleyes: :shake:
Lately, I think Rex has started to see some of the shades of grey, and that occasionally the other side has the high ground on a specific issue. It looks like Rex is starting to move a little more toward the middle. I say, "Good work, Rex, keep it up!"

jAZ
12-07-2005, 12:58 PM
these cards get sent out to his big donors all over the country.... how would you feel if you gave W a bunch of $$ and you were Jewish and you got a card that said Merry Christmas??? This is so stupid.... Happy Holidays means all the holidays including Xmas and Happy New year
Yeah, that's the point isn't it.

Well put.

Cochise
12-07-2005, 01:02 PM
Welll, if I were a Jew and gave him money and then got a Merry Christmas card, I would be offended- Er, no I wouldn't, because I don't have a sandy berginer.

Who cares. In this case Happy Holidays is appropriate because the card is going to people who celebrate many. That's fine. The lame thing is to avoid saying Christmas at all costs when you are actually talking about Christmas.

Nightwish
12-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Who cares. In this case Happy Holidays is appropriate because the card is going to people who celebrate many. That's fine. The lame thing is to avoid saying Christmas at all costs when you are actually talking about Christmas.That whole "holiday tree" thing sends shivers up my spine. As you said, there is nothing inappropriate about saying "Christmas," if you are talking about Christmas. I am not aware of any other winter holiday that includes decorating an evergreen tree with lights, tinsel and ornaments. It's not part of Yule, Hannukah, or any other solstice celebration that I'm aware of. Some claim the practice goes back to the Druids, who did allegedly believe that the evergreen symbolized the hope for renewal, but there's no historical record of the practice (as we know it today) predating German Christians.

Cochise
12-07-2005, 01:06 PM
BTW I get these in the mail every year (some version of it anyway. Maybe a more mass produced one than Denny Hastert or whomever gets).

I'll try to remember to post a scan of it when the card arrives.

Adept Havelock
12-07-2005, 01:27 PM
That whole "holiday tree" thing sends shivers up my spine. As you said, there is nothing inappropriate about saying "Christmas," if you are talking about Christmas. I am not aware of any other winter holiday that includes decorating an evergreen tree with lights, tinsel and ornaments. It's not part of Yule, Hannukah, or any other solstice celebration that I'm aware of. Some claim the practice goes back to the Druids, who did allegedly believe that the evergreen symbolized the hope for renewal, but there's no historical record of the practice (as we know it today) predating German Christians.


In my youth, I briefly attended a Fundamentalist Church where Christmas trees were decried as pagan relics. I don't recall the details (can't say I paid much attention to anything that bunch went on about), but it had something to do (appropriately enough) with the story of "Nimrod".

Here's some links to the concept as understood by a similar bunch of whack-jobs.


http://holiday.christianet.com/christmastrees.htm

http://hope-of-israel.org/christ~3.htm

http://www.nccg.org/164Art-Nimrod.html

CRONUS
12-08-2005, 12:53 AM
That is the same rationale offered by major retailers for generic holiday catalogues, and it is accepted by groups such as the National Council of Churches. "I think it's more important to put Christ back into our war planning than into our Christmas cards," said the council's general secretary, the Rev. Bob Edgar, a former Democratic congressman.


This made the baby Jesus cry!:deevee:

CRONUS
12-08-2005, 12:58 AM
That whole "holiday tree" thing sends shivers up my spine. As you said, there is nothing inappropriate about saying "Christmas," if you are talking about Christmas. I am not aware of any other winter holiday that includes decorating an evergreen tree with lights, tinsel and ornaments. It's not part of Yule, Hannukah, or any other solstice celebration that I'm aware of. Some claim the practice goes back to the Druids, who did allegedly believe that the evergreen symbolized the hope for renewal, but there's no historical record of the practice (as we know it today) predating German Christians.

Actually there is such a thing as a Yule Tree

http://www.simnet.is/gardarj/yule6.htm

The idea of the Yule tree was imported to Iceland in the middle of the last century, and the first recorded Yule tree was a Rowan mentioned in 1862. Lights burned on its branches during Yule Eve and did not go out even when the wind was strong. Obviously an outdoor Yule tree. Soon afterward, Yule trees, mainly home-made, started to become common in Iceland.

CRONUS
12-08-2005, 01:02 AM
AlsoAlso known as: Yuletide, Alban Arthuan, Winter Solstice marks the longest night of the year. It is from this point that the days begin slowly to become longer and longer. The sun is at its most southeastern point over the Tropic of Capricorn in the northern hemisphere and has no apparent northward or southward motion. In the time of the ancient tribes this was a time of celebration, for it meant the turning point of winter and the eventual return of spring. Yule is the time when we honor the Goddess for giving birth to the sun once more. It is the time when the Oak King is victorious over the Holly King. The Holly King represents death and darkness that has ruled since Samhain, and the Oak King represents rebirth and life. The waning (diminishing) sun is overtaken by the waxing (increasing) sun, thus the days become longer after the victory of the Oak King.
Yule is a time when we do Rituals and celebrate the increasing daylight, to renew, and to see the world through the eyes of a child. Spells done at Yule tend to raise our spirits, and bring harmony, peace, and joy. During Yule we see the wisdom of past experience begin to glimmer. The experiences we yielded over the harvest season of the times gone past begin to be reborn as wisdom, new light, to guide us further down the Paths we have chosen. It is customary for Witches to decorate the Yule tree, and adorn the house with holly, ivy and pine. It is time when Father Winter, a white bearded chap dress in red, fur trimmed robes, arrives bearing gifts and exchange gifts. This is the eve when the Yule log from the previous year is burned in the fire. Symbolic of the newborn sun, each year's Yule log is of oak, charged in a Magic Circle and kept in sacred space the following Yule. This not only celebrates the oak and places it in a place of distinguished honor, but also ensures there will be fuel for the remainder of Winter.

Nightwish
12-08-2005, 01:07 AM
Actually there is such a thing as a Yule Tree

http://www.simnet.is/gardarj/yule6.htm
As a Neo-Pagan, and former Wiccan, of course I know about the Yule Tree and Yule traditions (from your next post). But it doesn't predate the import of the Christmas Tree from Germany. Rather, it is an adaptation of the Christmas Tree. Of course, nine out of ten pagans who erect a "Yule Tree" still call it a Christmas Tree because they know that's where we borrowed it from.

CRONUS
12-08-2005, 01:21 AM
As a Neo-Pagan, and former Wiccan, of course I know about the Yule Tree and Yule traditions (from your next post). But it doesn't predate the import of the Christmas Tree from Germany. Rather, it is an adaptation of the Christmas Tree. Of course, nine out of ten pagans who erect a "Yule Tree" still call it a Christmas Tree because they know that's where we borrowed it from.

You said this:

Originally Posted by Nightwish
I am not aware of any other winter holiday that includes decorating an evergreen tree with lights, tinsel and ornaments. It's not part of Yule, Hannukah, or any other solstice celebration that I'm aware of.

That is what I was responding to, not the last sentence of your post.

Nightwish
12-08-2005, 01:27 AM
You said this:



That is what I was responding to, not the last sentence of your post.Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was referring to the original Yule holiday as practiced by the Celts. The Yule holiday as it is now practiced, is based only minimally on actual ancient Celtic practices, and the rest is borrowed from mostly Christian traditions or made up entirely. However, you're right, that does refute my comment that it's not part of Yule celebrations. I'm one of those neopagans who takes the claims of legitimacy and antiquity of most neopagan rituals and traditions with a grain of salt (and many with a truckload of salt). To some that makes me sort of an anamoly among the pagan community, but that's part of why I call myself an Agnostic Pagan.

mlyonsd
12-08-2005, 08:36 AM
I saw the card last night on the news. It was a very nice, tasteful greeting.

Any Christian that has a problem with it should just go to ****.

Adept Havelock
12-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Welll, if I were a Christian and gave him money and then got a Happy Holidays card, I would be offended- Er, no I wouldn't, because I don't have a sandy berginer.




Fixed your post for you. :thumb:

irishjayhawk
12-08-2005, 03:41 PM
ROFL

You would think these RRWNJs would realize that DUHbya does not practice what they preach...Only when it's convenient for himself does he indulge them. ROFL
So true.

Didn't he say God told him to go to war? I thought I recalled him saying that at some point. If so, that goes against all of his "religious" attributes that he highly touts.

irishjayhawk
12-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Religious conservatives are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break." They celebrated when House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) insisted that the sparkling spectacle on the Capitol lawn should be called the Capitol Christmas Tree, not a holiday spruce.

That has to be the best paragraph I've ever read. I laugh each time I read it.

Taco John
12-08-2005, 08:58 PM
How can anyone get through that article without laughing? I can't believe that some people cannot understand the plight of the government when it comes to endorsing one religious holiday over another.

Bush can thank Oreilly for inventing this disaster for him.

penchief
12-10-2005, 06:29 PM
So true.

Didn't he say God told him to go to war? I thought I recalled him saying that at some point. If so, that goes against all of his "religious" attributes that he highly touts.

Jimmy Carter is ten times the Christian that George Bush is. ;)

He was a better president, too.

History is going to kick George Bush's ass.

penchief
12-10-2005, 06:35 PM
By the way, how many bogus issues can the cons manufacture in their efforts to rally the true believers against the evil liberals, gays, and athiests.

The "War on Christmas" is such a non-issue it's amazing that real conservatives aren't embarrassed by this latest effort. With all of the wieghty issues this country is facing I can't believe that thoughtful people would be wasting their time with this. I guess as long as you've got Fox News making an issue out of "important" stuff like "The War on Christmas" it's going to work with the ditto-heads.