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NewChief
12-12-2005, 08:25 AM
I'd like to see a video clip of the fumble from last night's game. I was in the car listening on the radio during that part of the game, so I didn't get to see it and never saw a replay. Lots of people seem to be pointing fingers at Trent for fumbling it, so I'm curious whether he was blindsided or whether it was a case of him not taking care of the ball.

Rain Man
12-12-2005, 08:29 AM
Someone (LJ?) whiffed so badly on a linebacker that he came in virtually unblocked and hit Trent from the backside. It was probably the worst pass block in the history of the Chiefs, and that includes the era of John Tait playing left tackle.

NewChief
12-12-2005, 08:40 AM
Someone (LJ?) whiffed so badly on a linebacker that he came in virtually unblocked and hit Trent from the backside. It was probably the worst pass block in the history of the Chiefs, and that includes the era of John Tait playing left tackle.

That's pretty much what the radio guys made it sound like as well, but I'm seeing people put Trent on their list of goats to blame for the loss. That fumble is the only reason I can think that he'd be blamed. It doesn't sound like the fumble was really his fault, but I'd like to see it.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 08:54 AM
I'd like to see a clip just to see what LJ did wrong. I hear people saying that he was dogging it, etc.

What I saw was a blitz, not a necessarily a missed block.

This situation seems identical to the Buffalo game, where LJ took a ton of blame and it turned out he did what he was supposed to...

Fish
12-12-2005, 09:49 AM
LJ missed pretty bad. I'm trying to get a clip from TIVO.

Rain Man
12-12-2005, 09:57 AM
I'd actually like to see a clip, too. I saw it out of the corner of my eye when it happened, and then on the replays they would never run the whole play. They just kept rerunning the hit and fumble recovery.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 09:59 AM
LJ missed pretty bad. I'm trying to get a clip from TIVO.

I know he missed pretty bad. I'm more interested in why. Like I said, this situation seems identical to Buffalo. I defended him then, and I was right.

jidar
12-12-2005, 10:01 AM
I can't put that on Trent. He was completely blindsided and Fujita drilled him pretty hard.

Thig Lyfe
12-12-2005, 10:16 AM
Yeah, Trent didn't see him coming at all. The moment I saw Fujita come off the line, I literally thought "Oh sh!t."

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 11:34 AM
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Thig Lyfe
12-12-2005, 11:35 AM
LJ got horrible position on the defender. That's why he missed the block.

NewChief
12-12-2005, 11:36 AM
Thanks laz. Much appreciated. Pretty much as everyone described.

HolmeZz
12-12-2005, 11:36 AM
Laz, make a clip of Eric Hicks getting tackled on the 3rd down before the holding call on DJ.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 11:38 AM
LJ got horrible position on the defender. That's why he missed the block.

Yep. Absolutely terrible technique.

I'm struggling to see how anybody could construe that as a lack of effort, however.

jidar
12-12-2005, 11:39 AM
Man, that was bad.
When we coach the kids in football we tell em "don't move forward to block a guy, move side to side."
That's exactly why.

Thig Lyfe
12-12-2005, 11:40 AM
I'm struggling to see how anybody could construe that as a lack of effort, however.

I agree. Whitlock was definitely stirring the shatpot.

phxchief
12-12-2005, 11:41 AM
Laz, make a clip of Eric Hicks getting tackled on the 3rd down before the holding call on DJ.

Yes please - and could you post a link to download for reference?

Also, how about the Keyshawn Johnson push-off?

dirk digler
12-12-2005, 11:43 AM
Thanks Laz.

LJ whiffed badly.

RedandGold
12-12-2005, 11:44 AM
Several things irritated me about that drive...

1) Why did we call the timeout @ 1:21 when we should have been looking to run out the clock before halftime with either a FG or a TD.

2) Why were we looking to pass the ball when all we needed to do was hand off the ball to accomplish #1 above.

3) If we were going to pass the ball with the illusion of a running play, why wasn't T-Rich in on the play? He's a far better blocker than LJ.

elvomito
12-12-2005, 11:44 AM
so then, its not LJ's fault, its the coach's fault?

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 11:49 AM
so then, its not LJ's fault, its the coach's fault?

Missing the block is clearly LJ's fault.

However, there is a MYRIAD of scenarios where he's never in that position in the 1st place. And that is the coach's fault.

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 11:54 AM
Laz, make a clip of Eric Hicks getting tackled on the 3rd down before the holding call on DJ.


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Brock
12-12-2005, 11:57 AM
Gawd, I didn't notice that.

Maybe I could be an NFL official. :mad:

FringeNC
12-12-2005, 12:01 PM
Missing the block is clearly LJ's fault.

However, there is a MYRIAD of scenarios where he's never in that position in the 1st place. And that is the coach's fault.

How is it the coaches fault that he doesn't execute a basic block? Sure, we could have put in TR, but then Dallas *knows* we are going to throw. I just do not believe that everytime we have the ball at the 9 yard line, we can just pound it in running every single time. Unpredictability is the key to winning in parity-driven league like the NFL.

FringeNC
12-12-2005, 12:03 PM
Wow, how could they have missed Erick Hicks getting tackled? That was awful.

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 12:07 PM
How is it the coaches fault that he doesn't execute a basic block? Sure, we could have put in TR, but then Dallas *knows* we are going to throw.
don't bother ... htismaqe is the same guy that was saying a couple weeks ago that anyone that says Larry Johnson is a bad blocker is an idiot.

he's a pitbull ... when he doesn't want to hear something it doesn't matter what you say.

Larry Johnson is his latest "project"

Sure-Oz
12-12-2005, 12:25 PM
MY ****ING GAWD THAT HOLD DISGUSTS ME I CANT BITCH BUT LORD WHEN I SEE THAT I WANTTO PUKE! WE STILL HAD CHANCES BUT IT PISSES ME OFF AND IM USINGALL CAPS!11111WONONE!!1111

ferrarispider95
12-12-2005, 12:32 PM
Rocafella Clothing Representing - we rush a buck-fifty, but blockin is for sissys

RedandGold
12-12-2005, 01:06 PM
How is it the coaches fault that he doesn't execute a basic block? Sure, we could have put in TR, but then Dallas *knows* we are going to throw. I just do not believe that everytime we have the ball at the 9 yard line, we can just pound it in running every single time. Unpredictability is the key to winning in parity-driven league like the NFL.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, our goal should have been to run out the clock and put some points onto the board before the half. We had a lead, and regardless of whether LJ ended up with at TD or we settled for a FG, we would have still had a lead and would have prevented Dallas from having an opportunity to score.

The play calling, as well as the personnel grouping, lies on the shoulders of the coaching staff. Simpy put, it was poor game management under the circumstances.

Yes, LJ is 100% to blame for the poor block, but he should have never been put into that situation in the first place.

MOhillbilly
12-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Man, that was bad.
When we coach the kids in football we tell em "don't move forward to block a guy, move side to side."
That's exactly why.

hes not setting his feet.


Basis football 101
set your feet
get your pads low
square your shoulders


LJ will get r dun.

MOhillbilly
12-12-2005, 01:12 PM
However, there is a MYRIAD of scenarios where he's never in that position in the 1st place. And that is the coach's fault.


dumbing up the pass protection calls for LJ???

Chiefnj
12-12-2005, 01:23 PM
Like I mentioned in my previous post, our goal should have been to run out the clock and put some points onto the board before the half. We had a lead, and regardless of whether LJ ended up with at TD or we settled for a FG, we would have still had a lead and would have prevented Dallas from having an opportunity to score.

The play calling, as well as the personnel grouping, lies on the shoulders of the coaching staff. Simpy put, it was poor game management under the circumstances.

Yes, LJ is 100% to blame for the poor block, but he should have never been put into that situation in the first place.


LJ is a staring halfback who has spent several years in the NFL. He should be able to pick up an obvious blitz. He should be in the position to block, as should just about every other starting HB in the NFL. To blame the coaches for asking LJ to pick up a block is stupid.

I also find it funny that people think running down the clock and settling for 3 was the right move. Doing that is reminiscent of Marty and Herm trying not to lose.

dtebbe
12-12-2005, 01:33 PM
That was pitiful... he looked like Mrs. Howell fainting on Gilligan's Island...

Hey Laz, you got video of that for compro purposes? :)

DT

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 01:37 PM
Hey Laz, you got video of that for compro purposes? :)

DT
compro purposes?


i'm a little slow, can you translate that to english for me. :hmmm: :p

RedandGold
12-12-2005, 02:10 PM
LJ is a staring halfback who has spent several years in the NFL. He should be able to pick up an obvious blitz. He should be in the position to block, as should just about every other starting HB in the NFL. To blame the coaches for asking LJ to pick up a block is stupid.

I also find it funny that people think running down the clock and settling for 3 was the right move. Doing that is reminiscent of Marty and Herm trying not to lose.

Just because LJ should be able to pick up a blitz, it doesn't mean that he is able to at this point. Most people recognize that blocking is LJ's weak point, and I would hope the coaching staff would recognize that as well.

We were on the road in a close game, and going into halftime with either a TD or FG is not the same as taking the same approach in the 3rd or 4th quarter. We were in the position to increase our lead and carry some momentum into halftime, but instead, the momentum--and the points--went the other direction.

Again, I wouldn't have had as much of an issue with us going for the pass in that situation if we had a better blocker on the field (T-Rich), but we didn't. That lies 100% in the hands of the coaching staff.

If that means "dumbing up" the pass protection until LJ learns to round out that portion of the game, that's fine. It's sure as hell better than getting our QB killed.

FringeNC
12-12-2005, 02:27 PM
Just because LJ should be able to pick up a blitz, it doesn't mean that he is able to at this point. Most people recognize that blocking is LJ's weak point, and I would hope the coaching staff would recognize that as well.

We were on the road in a close game, and going into halftime with either a TD or FG is not the same as taking the same approach in the 3rd or 4th quarter. We were in the position to increase our lead and carry some momentum into halftime, but instead, the momentum--and the points--went the other direction.

Again, I wouldn't have had as much of an issue with us going for the pass in that situation if we had a better blocker on the field (T-Rich), but we didn't. That lies 100% in the hands of the coaching staff.

If that means "dumbing up" the pass protection until LJ learns to round out that portion of the game, that's fine. It's sure as hell better than getting our QB killed.

LJ made a costly mistake, but it was ultimately the D that cost us the game. Having said that, what's to learn? LJ knows better. His dad is a college football coach, for heaven's sake. It was a lack of concentration on LJ's part which I think will be fixed, but let's not make excuses for him.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 03:16 PM
don't bother ... htismaqe is the same guy that was saying a couple weeks ago that anyone that says Larry Johnson is a bad blocker is an idiot.

he's a pitbull ... when he doesn't want to hear something it doesn't matter what you say.

Larry Johnson is his latest "project"

ROFL

You must be getting tired of getting beaten down by superior arguments...

Seriously, it's not like that at all.

Larry Johnson made a BIG mistake. What I take exception to is people saying he's "lazy" and that he's "Randy Moss" or "Terrell Owens". The reason why I have a problem with that is because such statements are DUMB and not backed by FACT.

Does Larry have a problem with blocking technique? Absolutely. How could the coaches improve the situation? Sit his ass on the BENCH instead of putting him in those situations.

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 03:22 PM
ROFL

You must be getting tired of getting beaten down by superior arguments...

Seriously, it's not like that at all.

Larry Johnson made a BIG mistake. What I take exception to is people saying he's "lazy" and that he's "Randy Moss" or "Terrell Owens". The reason why I have a problem with that is because such statements are DUMB and not backed by FACT.

Does Larry have a problem with blocking technique? Absolutely. How could the coaches improve the situation? Sit his ass on the BENCH instead of putting him in those situations.
and yet you still didn't provide any facts ... just your opinions


somehow you seem to think that your opinion = fact while nobody else's does.



superior arguments my ass ... you make chit up as you go


heck half the time you don't even really mean what your argue about ... it's more just to jack with people.

Mecca
12-12-2005, 03:27 PM
Gawd, I didn't notice that.

Maybe I could be an NFL official. :mad:

Oh but don't worry according to a friend of mine who likes the Cowboys. "Those things happen all the time you're just pissed about it because the camera happened to pick it up." I personally found that comment pretty ridiculous but that's what get from a Cowboy fan I guess.......

the Talking Can
12-12-2005, 03:47 PM
holy crap, that guy is ass raping Hicks...how do you miss that?

kc hopeful
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
holy crap, that guy is ass raping Hicks...how do you miss that?

I was hitting the ceiling as it happened live.

And I think back to the "questionable" holding call of Roaf-I can't believe this isn't called.

MOhillbilly
12-12-2005, 04:06 PM
holy crap, that guy is ass raping Hicks...how do you miss that?

would you be paying attention to hicks?


didnt think so.

the Talking Can
12-12-2005, 04:08 PM
would you be paying attention to hicks?


didnt think so.

there is no one around them...they are in the wide open with Bledsoe...impossible to not see...

WilliamTheIrish
12-12-2005, 04:28 PM
I'm not able to watch either of these vid's.

Any idea why?

thebrad84
12-12-2005, 04:47 PM
and yet you still didn't provide any facts ... just your opinions


somehow you seem to think that your opinion = fact while nobody else's does.



superior arguments my ass ... you make chit up as you go


heck half the time you don't even really mean what your argue about ... it's more just to jack with people.

I'm new to the board (as you can see with my post count), but I noticed the same thing today. Htismaque likes to argue that you aren't arguing facts, but yet, neither is he. Almost all arguements on this board are from opinion, not fact, but yet he doesn't seem to get that.

Anyways, It sure looks like to me that Larry tried blocking using a very lazy technique in that he tried knocking out the rushers knees instead of actually taking him one on one. IN MY OPINION..it was a half-a$$ed effort that played a very key role in us losing the game. Was it the only one, NO. But it was a big one that gave them a ton of momentum.

el borracho
12-12-2005, 04:47 PM
I'm not able to watch either of these vid's.

Any idea why?
Much too painful?

WilliamTheIrish
12-12-2005, 04:51 PM
Much too painful?

ROFL Well... yes.

But what I meant was they will not play.

Is anybody else unable to get them to play?

Skip Towne
12-12-2005, 05:25 PM
I wonder why the coaches aren't teaching LJ to block? They've had almost three years to do it. He's nearly as big as a LB and should be able to do it if Priest can do it.

tk13
12-12-2005, 05:38 PM
I wonder why the coaches aren't teaching LJ to block? They've had almost three years to do it. He's nearly as big as a LB and should be able to do it if Priest can do it.
You really think the coaches aren't doing that? I find that awfully hard to believe... James Saxon has been a pretty good RB coach, I doubt he just glazed over that, especially considering that's the reason Al refused to put him in games. Larry doesn't bend his knees, he's real upright, I think that's his biggest problem, he doesn't get low to the ground at all. That's how he runs, catches, blocks, everything. That's really the only problem with his game, I think Madden mentioned that this year, is he runs upright and exposes the ball, but he also blocks upright which makes it more difficult to slide laterally. If he takes a bad angle to a blitzer, they run him over.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 05:58 PM
and yet you still didn't provide any facts ... just your opinions

somehow you seem to think that your opinion = fact while nobody else's does.

superior arguments my ass ... you make chit up as you go

heck half the time you don't even really mean what your argue about ... it's more just to jack with people.

I don't have to provide facts - the burden of proof isn't on me. I'm not the one who made the assinine statement that I could tell, just by watching one play on TV in a football game, that Larry Johnson has no heart.

And you'll notice that "htismaqe" isn't the only person that disagreed with said opinion. Probably because the opinion has little, if any, merit.

Make stupid statements, get beat down. It's pretty simple.

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 05:59 PM
I'm new to the board (as you can see with my post count), but I noticed the same thing today. Htismaque likes to argue that you aren't arguing facts, but yet, neither is he. Almost all arguements on this board are from opinion, not fact, but yet he doesn't seem to get that.

Anyways, It sure looks like to me that Larry tried blocking using a very lazy technique in that he tried knocking out the rushers knees instead of actually taking him one on one. IN MY OPINION..it was a half-a$$ed effort that played a very key role in us losing the game. Was it the only one, NO. But it was a big one that gave them a ton of momentum.

Read my post to Laz.

There's no need for me to provide facts. You DID NOT state originally that it was your opinion. You merely stated that Larry played half-assed all day.

I ABSOLUTELY get it. And I laugh every time somebody says something dumb on here and then gets all crybaby about it because they get called on it.

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 06:21 PM
You merely stated that Larry played half-assed all day.

I ABSOLUTELY get it. And I laugh every time somebody says something dumb on here and then gets all crybaby about it because they get called on it.
where did i say that larry played half-assed all day?


link?

Mr. Laz
12-12-2005, 06:23 PM
I'm new to the board (as you can see with my post count), but I noticed the same thing today. Htismaque likes to argue that you aren't arguing facts, but yet, neither is he. Almost all arguements on this board are from opinion, not fact, but yet he doesn't seem to get that.
yep ...


i'd give ya rep if ya had yours turned on ;)

htismaqe
12-12-2005, 06:28 PM
where did i say that larry played half-assed all day?


link?

When did I ever say you did? The only reason you're even part of this is because you can't resist the temptation to jump into any argument that either me or Titus is on the other end of...

That is EXACTLY what Whitlock is trying to point out here. That's why he is comparing LJ with Randy Moss. Randy Moss plays at about 50% when he knows the play isnt going to him. He jogs, he blocks half-a$$. That is what LJ did ALL DAY YESTERDAY.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=131065&p=2889881

That is the statement that sparked the argument, and it wasn't made by you. But once again, you jump into the argument solely because I'm on the other side. You'd do yourself a favor by reading what is said first.

You have GREAT football takes almost all of the time, but you can't resist the temptation to support assinine arguments just because somebody you consider a Carl apologist is at the other end of them, whether it be me, Titus, or whoever.

Chiefnj
12-12-2005, 06:32 PM
Just because LJ should be able to pick up a blitz, it doesn't mean that he is able to at this point. Most people recognize that blocking is LJ's weak point, and I would hope the coaching staff would recognize that as well.

We were on the road in a close game, and going into halftime with either a TD or FG is not the same as taking the same approach in the 3rd or 4th quarter. We were in the position to increase our lead and carry some momentum into halftime, but instead, the momentum--and the points--went the other direction.

Again, I wouldn't have had as much of an issue with us going for the pass in that situation if we had a better blocker on the field (T-Rich), but we didn't. That lies 100% in the hands of the coaching staff.

If that means "dumbing up" the pass protection until LJ learns to round out that portion of the game, that's fine. It's sure as hell better than getting our QB killed.

LJ's blocking has improved recently. He doesn't whiff on every block. He doesn't get Green killed. In fact when Roaf was out, LJ's blocking wasn't the biggest problem. So yes, the staff should expect him to pick up an average LB like Scott Fujita who was lined up on the line in a blitz position.

You want to take him out in passing downs fine - play him like the Ravens play Lewis. It makes the offense awfully predictable.

FringeNC
12-12-2005, 06:42 PM
I wonder why the coaches aren't teaching LJ to block? They've had almost three years to do it. He's nearly as big as a LB and should be able to do it if Priest can do it.

LJ knows how to block. His dad is a college football coach at Penn State.

Sure-Oz
12-12-2005, 06:49 PM
I want animated gif of that hold, if anyone can make it.

RedandGold
12-12-2005, 07:03 PM
LJ's blocking has improved recently. He doesn't whiff on every block. He doesn't get Green killed. In fact when Roaf was out, LJ's blocking wasn't the biggest problem. So yes, the staff should expect him to pick up an average LB like Scott Fujita who was lined up on the line in a blitz position.

You want to take him out in passing downs fine - play him like the Ravens play Lewis. It makes the offense awfully predictable.


I didn't say to take LJ out. I said to have a better blocker (T-Rich) on the field. The last time I checked, you could have a FB and a HB on the field at the same time.

On that play, LJ was the single point of failure for the blitz, and all I am suggesting is that it would have been more prudent to have another blocker on the field to help protect Green.

Bob Dole
12-12-2005, 07:13 PM
LJ knows how to block. His dad is a college football coach at Penn State.

You sure couldn't tell it by the way he fell down and played dead on that play...

thebrad84
12-13-2005, 02:16 PM
Read my post to Laz.

There's no need for me to provide facts. You DID NOT state originally that it was your opinion. You merely stated that Larry played half-assed all day.

I ABSOLUTELY get it. And I laugh every time somebody says something dumb on here and then gets all crybaby about it because they get called on it.

Why in the hell would I need to state something thats so obvious. Of course its my opinion. I'm the one who wrote it, hence, its MY OPINION...just like it was Whitlocks opinion. Keep in mind I never ONCE said...look at the facts...blah, blah, blah. You know why I didn't say such things? Because it was MY OPINION of Whitlock's article. In MY OPINION, I agree with what Whitlock was saying. In MY OPINION, LJ seemed to give a half-a$$ed effort on blocking Fujita.

And...In MY OPINION, I think you are a dumba$$ for not realizing this was MY OPINION the entire time. I would think I wouldn't need to spell that out to you..but clearly I was wrong.

There, did the use of "MY OPINION" help you realize that this message was entirely MY OPINION??????