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Donger
12-12-2005, 04:55 PM
Just listened to DV's PC and it sure sounded like Allen might get a shot this week.

chefsos
12-12-2005, 05:07 PM
Ed Perry's going to be selling cars in two weeks if this works out.
Actually, I like Allen as a long snapper because now you have an animal added to punt coverage. Of course, all this hinges on his ability to actually do the long snapping part well. That's sorta important. Yeah, and if he got hurt on ST's I would indeed crap myself.

Chan93lx50
12-12-2005, 05:10 PM
How many times was Gammon hurt as a long snapper?

I don't think we have to worry about Allen getting injured doing Long snap duties. This should have been done when we lost Gammon in the first place

Deberg_1990
12-12-2005, 05:11 PM
Didnt he do this in college?

Chan93lx50
12-12-2005, 05:13 PM
Didnt he do this in college?

Yes, his long sapping abilities were one of the reasons he was drafted

chefsos
12-12-2005, 05:20 PM
Yes, his long sapping abilities were one of the reasons he was drafted
Yes, but the same is probably true of Perry.

StcChief
12-12-2005, 05:21 PM
I was wondering that when they got Ed Perry.....what about Jared Allen.

tk13
12-12-2005, 05:28 PM
I imagine they're afraid of people taking cheap shots at him.

nascher
12-12-2005, 05:28 PM
no way we put our only and best Pass Rusher in as long snapper ! Actually Gammon got hurt long snapping.

DaFace
12-12-2005, 05:33 PM
I'd also be afraid if Allen went down in a game as a defender. According to the PC, the only other person on our team that has any experience as a LS is Bober, and he's only good at the short stuff (XP's and FG's).

brorth
12-12-2005, 05:56 PM
I think Kendall Gammon's instructional video is only 34.95. If we all chip in, we could donate it to the team.

jspchief
12-13-2005, 07:20 AM
Kendall Gammon long anpped in the NFL for 14 years before he got his first injury. It's not exactly risky business.

As for cheap shots, if a team was going to resort to that to injure one of our key players, why wouldn't they just do it to Allen on regular defensive snaps?

Count Zarth
12-13-2005, 07:22 AM
I imagine they're afraid of people taking cheap shots at him.

That's what scares me, too. It'd be real easy to dive at one of his legs.

Demonpenz
12-13-2005, 07:26 AM
well this is the chiefs. 10 bucks he launches one over the head and into the chiefs bench knocking out trent green for the year

jspchief
12-13-2005, 07:28 AM
That's what scares me, too. It'd be real easy to dive at one of his legs.....on any play of the game.

Explain how he's more prone to cheap shots on STs than he is on any play that puts him on the field?

If a team is dirty enough to resort to cheap shotting our players, they aren't going to hindered or aided by the fact that the target plays STs.

jcl-kcfan2
12-13-2005, 07:30 AM
Kendall Gammon long anpped in the NFL for 14 years before he got his first injury. It's not exactly risky business.

As for cheap shots, if a team was going to resort to that to injure one of our key players, why wouldn't they just do it to Allen on regular defensive snaps?

A reason might be that the long snapper is pretty vulnerable for about the 1/2 second during/after a snap.
The snapper has to follow through to get a good consistent snap, but the defenders are moving towards him immediately at the snap.
It would be REAL easy to hurt one of our best defensive players in that situation.

Pants
12-13-2005, 07:31 AM
Kendall Gammon long anpped in the NFL for 14 years before he got his first injury. It's not exactly risky business.

As for cheap shots, if a team was going to resort to that to injure one of our key players, why wouldn't they just do it to Allen on regular defensive snaps?

The problem is with him getting his hands hurt all the time, having them constantly taped up. Naturally those are extremely minor "injuries" like cuts and bruises, but they can affect something that requires as much precision as long snapping.

Count Zarth
12-13-2005, 07:35 AM
Actually that's a good point, jsp. Allen plays special teams all the time so if someone was going to take a cheap shot at him, they've had ample opportunity.

I think we'll see Bober doing some snaps this week.

jspchief
12-13-2005, 07:37 AM
The problem is with him getting his hands hurt all the time, having them constantly taped up. Naturally those are extremely minor "injuries" like cuts and bruises, but they can affect something that requires as much precision as long snapping.That's the only legitimate reason that I've heard yet.

For all we know, Allen might not be any better than that dumbf*ck we had in there. All I know is we need to look at other options.

Pants
12-13-2005, 07:42 AM
That's the only legitimate reason that I've heard yet.

For all we know, Allen might not be any better than that dumbf*ck we had in there. All I know is we need to look at other options.

The few snaps he did when Gammons (sic) went down looked good, I thought. But I have no idea what's good and what's not since I'm not an expert.

sedated
12-13-2005, 07:43 AM
they thought about releasing Gammon last year because JAllen was so good at snapping, then he turned out to be a bad-ass DE. I think he could do it.

Can't worry about injuries, especially on special teams.

We could always get that Trey Junkin guy, he's supposed to be good.

Fire Me Boy!
12-13-2005, 08:07 AM
Kansas City (AP) — In Ed Perry’s first game last month after replacing one of the league’s great long-snappers, Kansas City tied an NFL field goal record.

Two weeks later, fans are ready to ferry Perry down the Missouri River and find someone else to step in for injured Pro Bowler Kendall Gammon. And maybe the Chiefs are, too.

But instead of grabbing someone else off the street, they’re thinking about turning to second-year defensive end Jared Allen. He’s willing to give it the old college try, but he hasn’t snapped in live action since he was in college in 2003. And one bad snap can be fatal for a team that needs to win its last three games to have much chance of reaching the playoffs.

“I might do it,” coach Dick Vermeil said Monday. “I thought about it last week.”

No one is saying it was Perry’s fault the Chiefs (8-5) lost 31-28 to Dallas on Sunday, dropping into a three-way tie with San Diego and Pittsburgh for the final AFC wild-card spot. The demoralizing loss left several key players with their heads down, including running back Larry Johnson, cornerback Patrick Surtain and linebacker Derrick Johnson.

But Perry, a former long-snapper for Miami, was guilty of a poor snap on the final play of the tense, back-and-forth game. And he’s a lot easier to replace than a starting linebacker, cornerback or running back.

The snap, after the Chiefs had surged down field in the final seconds, was low and inside. Although holder Dustin Colquitt managed to get the ball down, Lawrence Tynes’ 41-yard attempt to send the game into overtime sailed wide right.

Ironically, Tynes had kicked four field goals in one quarter, tying an NFL mark, in Perry’s first game on Nov. 27 against New England.

But Vermeil admitted Monday he has been concerned about Perry’s consistency in practice.

“It isn’t simple. It takes a lot of work,” Vermeil said. “Kendall Gammon has done it as well as it’s ever been done, probably. And we have a couple of other guys that can do it pretty good. They’ve just never made a living doing it.”

Backup guard Chris Bober is another possibility. But Vermeil disclosed that all last week he had Allen practicing the long-snapping skills he developed at Idaho State.

One reason not to impose this additional burden on the 6-foot-6, 270-pounder, however, is that he already has a pretty important day job. He’s the Chiefs’ best pass-rusher. After recording nine sacks last season as a rookie, he already 10 in 13 games this year, including two against the Cowboys.

He also plays on special teams and does just about everything else but direct traffic into the stadium.

“He hasn’t come out of a ballgame in three weeks,” Vermeil said. “I’m not saying that’s really what I want to do. But that’s just how it’s happened. And he’s on the kickoff return team, the wedge. I wanted to take him out of there the other day and he wouldn’t come out. He likes to play. Then add the responsibility of long-snapping, too? I don’t know.”

Ideally, long-snappers do very little else for a team. Gammon, who broke his leg at Houston on Nov. 20, was the ultimate specialist, and universally acknowledged as one of the best ever.

Allen, as a defensive lineman, could easily get his hands cut and bruised during a game. It might not be anything to keep him from rushing the passer or making tackles. But it could be enough to prevent him from making the precise and delicately timed snap on a critical field goal.

“He’s got his hands all taped up,” Vermeil said. “You don’t know when he’s going to get his hand stepped on. Then all of a sudden you’ve got to go do it and you don’t have another long-snapper suited up. Defensive linemen fight with their hands. There’s all kinds of things — injury concerns, exposure to that kind of position, with your head down, your legs wide. He’s your best pass rusher.”