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Rain Man
12-13-2005, 05:21 PM
If the Chiefs could only have one pro bowl representative, who should it be?

On its way is a - you guessed it - poll.

Hoover
12-13-2005, 05:22 PM
#1 LJ
#2 Mitchell

Thats it folks

carlos3652
12-13-2005, 05:23 PM
#1 LJ
#2 Roaf

Deberg_1990
12-13-2005, 05:24 PM
LJ without question

Roaf: hes saved our season just by coming back from injury

Mitchell would be borderline: IM not sure he has enough "flashy" stats to get in

No one else

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 05:25 PM
You guys don't think that Waters or Allen are strong?

tk13
12-13-2005, 05:25 PM
1. Roaf
2. Roaf
3. Roaf
4. Roaf
5. LJ
6. Waters
7. Allen

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:25 PM
Larry Johnson, Jared Allen, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters and Lawrence Tynes.

The rest have either been hurt for too many games, underperformed, or not performed at a pro bowl level.

Hoover
12-13-2005, 05:26 PM
You said who most?

So I say LJ, because without waht he has done in the last 6 weeks we might be in the Reggie Bush sweepstakes.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Next year Welbourn should make the pro bowl. He's dominating in the run game and he has done a complete 180 on pass protection.

It'd be nice if Shields and Roaf stayed put. I honestly believe we can compete another year at a high level on offense.

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I think Wiegman deserves more than perhaps anybody. He's been a rock this year, along with Waters.

Obviously, LJ and Allen are strong candidates, too, and it's hard to not vote for Gonzalez, even if there are some other strong tight ends who can make a valid argument.

tk13
12-13-2005, 05:28 PM
Larry Johnson, Jared Allen, Casey Wiegmann, Brian Waters and Lawrence Tynes.

The rest have either been hurt for too many games, underperformed, or not performed at a pro bowl level.
Roaf has started about as many games as LJ has. You can't say one belongs and not the other.

Hoover
12-13-2005, 05:29 PM
Next year Welbourn should make the pro bowl. He's dominating in the run game and he has done a complete 180 on pass protection.

It'd be nice if Shields and Roaf stayed put. I honestly believe we can compete another year at a high level on offense.
But we can't run to the right side....

Deberg_1990
12-13-2005, 05:29 PM
It will make me sick if Greg Wesley gets in with his "sexy" INT stats.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:29 PM
Gonzalez doesn't deserve the pro bowl, but he'll probably get in since two tight ends go.

Hoover
12-13-2005, 05:30 PM
LJ without question

Roaf: hes saved our season just by coming back from injury

Mitchell would be borderline: IM not sure he has enough "flashy" stats to get in

No one else
Sure I can, While Roaf and LJ have started about the same amount of games, LJ played in all the games.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:32 PM
But we can't run to the right side....

Not since he came back this year, baby. We still don't run as strong to the right as we do to the left, but we run much better to the right since he came back.

LJ has 60 carries for 261 yards and 3 touchdowns to the right side of the field. That's 4.35 yards per carry.

In 2003 Priest averaged 3.68 yards per carry to the right side.

In 2002 he averaged 4.37.

So anyway you look at it, Welbourn has made a difference.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:33 PM
Roaf has started about as many games as LJ has. You can't say one belongs and not the other.

Bull and shit.

Chiefnj
12-13-2005, 05:36 PM
Roaf. He is still a dominant player and without him the offense goes from being a top 3 offense to below average. That says a lot.


Allen is a distant #2. The problem with Allen is the rest of the defense. The guy creates some big plays that the rest of the team just doesn't capitalize on. Years ago when DT would turn the corner and knock the ball free from a QB you just knew that Saleamua or Phillips or Smith was going to fall on the ball and create a turnover. Or when DT got a big sack, the rest of the D stepped up the rest of the drive (if there was one). Allen strips the ball and nobody is around to grab it. He gets a sack or a good pressure and the Chiefs still let the opposition convert critical third downs.

tk13
12-13-2005, 05:37 PM
Bull and shit.
The heck I can't. We are an elite offense with Willie Roaf. Without him we're not. With him we're a playoff contender. Without him, we're not.

Thig Lyfe
12-13-2005, 05:39 PM
LJ
Tony Richardson
Jared Allen
Kawika Mitchell

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 05:41 PM
I should mention too that I have a newfound appreciation for Tony Richardson's blocking ability. (Ahem, cough, cough.)

I love LJ, too. His stats are amazing for a guy who has started only half the year.

KCFalcon59
12-13-2005, 05:41 PM
1. LJ
2. Allen
3. Kawika
4. Roaf

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:42 PM
The heck I can't. We are an elite offense with Willie Roaf. Without him we're not. With him we're a playoff contender. Without him, we're not.

That's all true, but it doesn't make him a pro bowler. Team MVP? Probably.

LJ is probably going to finish the season 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards and touchdowns...that's pro bowl material.

tk13
12-13-2005, 05:45 PM
That's all true, but it doesn't make him a pro bowler. Team MVP? Probably.

LJ is probably going to finish the season 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards and touchdowns...that's pro bowl material.
Why wouldn't it make him a Pro Bowler? If we make the playoffs, he's going to be the key guy responsible... I'd say that's worth a Pro Bowl ticket... the fact that he's even responsible for us being in the race is probably worth a trip.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:46 PM
LJ is rightfully leading this poll.

I think he will make the pro bowl, too.

I can't think of a third RB that is more deserving in the AFC.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 05:48 PM
Why wouldn't it make him a Pro Bowler? If we make the playoffs, he's going to be the key guy responsible... I'd say that's worth a Pro Bowl ticket... the fact that he's even responsible for us being in the race is probably worth a trip.

Well maybe your criteria differs from mine. Roaf is only going to play in 10 games this year. And he only played two series in the opener and sucked in San Diego.

Priest had a Pro Bowl year through 8 games last year. Was he deserving? Heck no.

el borracho
12-13-2005, 05:53 PM
Larry Johnson deserves it most and if he gets 120 yards and 2 TDs each game of the last three he will probably get it.

Jared Allen is probably deserving but being on the #27 (or whatever) defense will probably hurt his chances a bit.

Past these two, an argument could be made for the following players: Roaf, Waters, Mitchell and maybe Richardson (do they always select a fullback?).


Along these same lines, who does everybody like for
-Rookie of the year?
-Offensive Rookie of the year?
and
-Defensive Rookie of the year?

pak1983
12-13-2005, 05:56 PM
most deserving would be kawika. he was a scrub ready to be written off and has completely changed that. allen had a good year last year and has done better this year but did as expected, roaf is already a pro bowler done expected, waters is already a probowler done expected, and LJ outdid expected but expected was pretty farking good, at least from what ive thought dating back to last season, is obviously a probowler. but mitchell is most "deserving"

ChiefsFanatic
12-13-2005, 05:56 PM
DV said that Jared Allen has not been out of the last three games on D, and also plays on the wedge.

CoMoChief
12-13-2005, 05:57 PM
If it wasnt for the injury, Roaf would top this list. LJ wouldn't nearly be as good without Roaf.

CoMoChief
12-13-2005, 05:59 PM
most deserving would be kawika. he was a scrub ready to be written off and has completely changed that. allen had a good year last year and has done better this year but did as expected, roaf is already a pro bowler done expected, waters is already a probowler done expected, and LJ outdid expected but expected was pretty farking good, at least from what ive thought dating back to last season, is obviously a probowler. but mitchell is most "deserving"


Don't you just love how our scrubs are our 2nd round draft picks? Damnit Carl!!!

tk13
12-13-2005, 06:06 PM
Well maybe your criteria differs from mine. Roaf is only going to play in 10 games this year. And he only played two series in the opener and sucked in San Diego.

Priest had a Pro Bowl year through 8 games last year. Was he deserving? Heck no.
LJ's only gonna start 9 games. He was just a backup who played every third series otherwise. Just a reminder here....

With Roaf:

27.1 points/game
411.0 total yards/game
Trent Green - 209-136, 65%, 1933 yds, 7 TD, 3 INT
100.0 QB rating

Without Roaf:

23.3 points/game (18.8 ppg if you take away the Texans blowout)
345.8 total yards/game
Trent- 206-124, 60%, 1354 yds, 7 TD, 6 INT
78.8 QB rating

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:13 PM
LJ's only gonna start 9 games. He was just a backup who played every third series otherwise. Just a reminder here....

With Roaf:

27.1 points/game
411.0 total yards/game
Trent Green - 209-136, 65%, 1933 yds, 7 TD, 3 INT
100.0 QB rating

Without Roaf:

23.3 points/game (18.8 ppg if you take away the Texans blowout)
345.8 total yards/game
Trent- 206-124, 60%, 1354 yds, 7 TD, 6 INT
78.8 QB rating

Yes, that is why Roaf is the MVP.

He hasn't had a Pro Bowl year. Even when LJ wasn't the starter, he was still putting up numbers.

You can't keep LJ out of the Pro Bowl for any reason.

digi2fish
12-13-2005, 06:18 PM
Sammie Knight

plbrdude
12-13-2005, 06:19 PM
Roaf. He is still a dominant player and without him the offense goes from being a top 3 offense to below average. That says a lot.


Allen is a distant #2. The problem with Allen is the rest of the defense. The guy creates some big plays that the rest of the team just doesn't capitalize on. Years ago when DT would turn the corner and knock the ball free from a QB you just knew that Saleamua or Phillips or Smith was going to fall on the ball and create a turnover. Or when DT got a big sack, the rest of the D stepped up the rest of the drive (if there was one). Allen strips the ball and nobody is around to grab it. He gets a sack or a good pressure and the Chiefs still let the opposition convert critical third downs.


i wouldn't say that should disqualify him for the pro bowl

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:19 PM
"You can't make the club in the tub."

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 06:20 PM
If it wasnt for the injury, Roaf would top this list. LJ wouldn't nearly be as good without Roaf.
Lj's ypc haven't dipped below 4.9 all year, even when Roaf was out. Gochiefs, can you find out what LJ's ypc are with and wihout Roaf?

joesomebody
12-13-2005, 06:20 PM
Weigman or Dunn... Too of the KEY components to our Offense that are so often overlooked.

LJ deserves it for sure, but I think just once it'd be nice for Dunn and Weigman to get the nod.

el borracho
12-13-2005, 06:29 PM
Weigman or Dunn... Too of the KEY components to our Offense that are so often overlooked.

LJ deserves it for sure, but I think just once it'd be nice for Dunn and Weigman to get the nod.
Blocking tight ends like Dunn do not go to the Pro Bowl. He has no fancy stats. Weigman suffers in Pro Bowl voting because he is surrounded by so many big name players and people are reluctant to vote in an entire line from one team. As long as he plays next to Roaf, Shields and Waters I am guessing Weigman will not get the votes.

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 06:31 PM
Dunn definitely is one of our more valuable players. His blocking is superb, as we saw on that last play against the Raiders. However, as was also pointed out, he doesn't have a chance in heck to make the pro bowl since he doesn't catch passes. That's too bad.

PastorMikH
12-13-2005, 06:32 PM
I gotta go with Roaf. Most would disqualify him due to the games he missed. But those missed games are the very thing that puts him over the edge for me. When Roaf went out we realized just how much we missed him. Roaf is key to our O. According to the game stats shown on tv during the games, most of LJ's yardage is to the left side. Also, when Roaf is in there, Green is comfortable and makes much better passes. When Roaf is out, Green is jumpy and makes bed decisions.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:36 PM
Lj's ypc haven't dipped below 4.9 all year, even when Roaf was out. Gochiefs, can you find out what LJ's ypc are with and wihout Roaf?

With Roaf: 130 carries, 638 yards, 4.9 yards per carry, 8 touchdowns.

Without Roaf: 117 carries, 613 yards, 5.23 yards per carry, 6 touchdowns.

LARRY JOHNSON DOESN'T NEED WILLIE ROAF!!!!!!!!!

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 06:37 PM
After looking at gochiefs' stats, I think an argument can be made for Jordan Black.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:39 PM
Take away the Texans game, and LJ is still averaging 4.96 yards per carry without Willie Roaf.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
12-13-2005, 06:40 PM
Larry Johnson is probably an easy choice.

However, if he wasn't injured, I'd vote for Kendall Gammon. It's quickly become obvious he's the best long snapper in the NFL and most deserving of the special teams Pro-Bowl slot.

Mr. Laz
12-13-2005, 06:42 PM
#1 LJ
#2 Mitchell

Thats it folks
if LJ had been playing the whole season ... definitely

I'm not sure with playing only a partial season


Mitchell? not a chance, for every good play he makes he misses at least 2.



1. Jared Allen
2. Brian Waters

PastorMikH
12-13-2005, 06:44 PM
With Roaf: 130 carries, 638 yards, 4.9 yards per carry, 8 touchdowns.

Without Roaf: 117 carries, 613 yards, 5.23 yards per carry, 6 touchdowns.

LARRY JOHNSON DOESN'T NEED WILLIE ROAF!!!!!!!!!


Yeah but Trent does. And it's kinda hard for LJ to run the ball when his QB just threw it to a LB because he got jumpy without Roaf blocking for him.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:45 PM
Yeah but Trent does.

No shit. Can we get a new QB in here?

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 06:46 PM
With Roaf: 130 carries, 638 yards, 4.9 yards per carry, 8 touchdowns.

Without Roaf: 117 carries, 613 yards, 5.23 yards per carry, 6 touchdowns.

LARRY JOHNSON DOESN'T NEED WILLIE ROAF!!!!!!!!!
Exactly what I thought.

Mr. Laz
12-13-2005, 06:46 PM
Yeah but Trent does. And it's kinda hard for LJ to run the ball when his QB just threw it to a LB because he got jumpy without Roaf blocking for him.
i just don't see how any player can make the pro bowl while missing 6 games.

PastorMikH
12-13-2005, 06:47 PM
The knock I see against LJ right now is there are 3-4 other RBs the voters will be looking at. Now if PB selections were AFTER week 17 and he keeps running like he has been, he's in. But right now there are several other RBs that will get considered before him - and isn't the voting taking place this week?

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:47 PM
Exactly what I thought.

Skip, you need an LJ avatar. Can I hook you up?

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 06:49 PM
This poll sucks!! With all of our offensive talent we only get one Pro Bowler? Rainman is an egg sucking hound.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:50 PM
The knock I see against LJ right now is there are 3-4 other RBs the voters will be looking at.

Not in the AFC.

Tomlinson
James
LJ

You gonna tell me Rudi Johnson deserves it more? Or Willis McGahee?

tk13
12-13-2005, 06:55 PM
How did you come up with those numbers gochiefs?

Fish
12-13-2005, 06:58 PM
It must be said........................

Where's the Scanlon option???

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 06:58 PM
How did you come up with those numbers gochiefs?

LJ's game logs. And yes, I subtracted LJ's 35-yard TD in the opener. That was LJ's only carry with Roaf in the game.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164/gamelogs/2005

tk13
12-13-2005, 06:59 PM
Well, either way, this is what I came up with.


Games started by Roaf:

LJ - 138 carries, 713 yards, 5.2 ypc, 9 TD

Games without Roaf

LJ - 109 carries, 538 yards, 4.9 ypc, 5 TD

Take away the Texans game and it's like 4.4 ypc, 3 TD.

It should also be noted that something like 4 of his longest 5 runs this season have come with Roaf was playing.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:00 PM
Not in the AFC.

Tomlinson
James
LJ

You gonna tell me Rudi Johnson deserves it more? Or Willis McGahee?
Nobody in the AFC is within half a yard per carry of LJ. Not Tomlinson not James, nobody. Except maybe somebody with just a few carries.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:02 PM
Well, either way, this is what I came up with.


Games started by Roaf:

LJ - 138 carries, 713 yards, 5.2 ypc, 9 TD

Games without Roaf

LJ - 109 carries, 538, 4.9 ypc, 5 TD

Take away the Texans game and it's like 4.4 ypc, 3 TD.

LJ carried 8 times in the Jets game without Roaf.

That is where the discrepancy lies.

I win.

Fishpicker
12-13-2005, 07:03 PM
Jared Allen-hes our best defensive player. LJ is a great choice too. I would vote for greg wesley if he showed any consistency whatsoever.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:04 PM
Skip, you need an LJ avatar. Can I hook you up?
[Best Elvis voice] Thank you, thank you very much. Please do. [/best Elvis voice]

tk13
12-13-2005, 07:07 PM
LJ carried 8 times in the Jets game without Roaf.

That is where the discrepancy lies.

I win.
Makes sense. Although I'd definitely argue that you're saying he's better without Roaf when he's padded his stats against teams that are 3-10 and 1-12 without Roaf. You take that garbage time stuff away, and he averages like 4.4 ypc without Roaf.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:08 PM
Skip, you need an LJ avatar. Can I hook you up?
Just don't give me one with LJ f*cking a sheep or something.

Deberg_1990
12-13-2005, 07:09 PM
Wheres the Lawrence Tynes love???

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 07:09 PM
This poll sucks!! With all of our offensive talent we only get one Pro Bowler? Rainman is an egg sucking hound.

Hey. That hurt.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:10 PM
Makes sense. Although I'd definitely argue that you're saying he's better without Roaf when he's padded his stats against teams that are 3-10 and 1-12 without Roaf. You take that garbage time stuff away, and he averages like 4.4 ypc without Roaf.

Sorry, that's total bullshit. You can't take stuff away.

And he's STILL averaging more yards per carry without the Texans game. 4.96!!! The defense rests!

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:10 PM
Makes sense. Although I'd definitely argue that you're saying he's better without Roaf when he's padded his stats against teams that are 3-10 and 1-12 without Roaf. You take that garbage time stuff away, and he averages like 4.4 ypc without Roaf.
BS. I've been watching his ypc. It hasn't dipped below 4.9 all year.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:11 PM
Wheres the Lawrence Tynes love???

I voted for him.

PastorMikH
12-13-2005, 07:13 PM
Not in the AFC.

Tomlinson
James
LJ

You gonna tell me Rudi Johnson deserves it more? Or Willis McGahee?



No they don't. In fact, LT is behind LJ in yards - and he's been running the entire season. He's also reeling in James. Problem is, I think the voters may be inclined to jump on the bandwagon and choose Rudi because everyone is Ooohing and Aaaahing over Cinci this year. If the voting wasn't until AFTER week 17, I think it would be a bit hard for them to over look the AFC Rushing leader, possibly the NFL rushing leader.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:13 PM
Hey. That hurt.
Yeah? Take THIS: you're lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:13 PM
Here you go, Skip. LJ with an angry look on his face.

tk13
12-13-2005, 07:16 PM
Sorry, that's total bullshit. You can't take stuff away.

And he's STILL averaging more yards per carry without the Texans game. 4.96!!! The defense rests!
If you've watched this team all year and can honestly tell me with a straight face our running game is better with Jordan Black than Willie Roaf then I have a used Pinto I'd like to sell you for $75,000.

StcChief
12-13-2005, 07:17 PM
LJ
Allen

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:18 PM
If you've watched this team all year and can honestly tell me with a straight face our running game is better with Jordan Black than Willie Roaf then I have a used Pinto I'd like to sell you for $75,000.

I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is LJ is more deserving than Willie Roaf. Based on individual performances, he does. You can't make an argument against that.

Unless you pull your bullshit and take out LJ's two best games. ROFL

tk13
12-13-2005, 07:19 PM
BS. I've been watching his ypc. It hasn't dipped below 4.9 all year.
That's because he had a monster first game against the Jets. He beat the crap out of the 4-22 Jets and Texans. When you look at the actual defenses he faced without Roaf, and he averaged 4.4 ypc.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:20 PM
No they don't. In fact, LT is behind LJ in yards - and he's been running the entire season. He's also reeling in James. Problem is, I think the voters may be inclined to jump on the bandwagon and choose Rudi because everyone is Ooohing and Aaaahing over Cinci this year. If the voting wasn't until AFTER week 17, I think it would be a bit hard for them to over look the AFC Rushing leader, possibly the NFL rushing leader.
Reeling in James? LJ is more than a half a yard per carry ahead of James.

PastorMikH
12-13-2005, 07:21 PM
Reeling in James? LJ is more than a half a yard per carry ahead of James.



Total yards Old Dude.


DUH!!!

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:23 PM
That's because he had a monster first game against the Jets. He beat the crap out of the 4-22 Jets and Texans. When you look at the actual defenses he faced without Roaf, and he averaged 4.4 ypc.

So?

How about we take out the two worst defenses he faced with Roaf?

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:26 PM
Actually, TK, the two worst run defenses he faced without Roaf were Buffalo and Houston.

Should we go ahead and take out the Buffalo game as well?

Let's just go ahead and take out every game where LJ looks good, why not?

:rolleyes:

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 07:27 PM
Yeah? Take THIS: you're lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut.

That's it. You're out of my will.

pak1983
12-13-2005, 07:28 PM
lj is the best rb in the league now stfu

tk13
12-13-2005, 07:28 PM
Actually, TK, the two worst run defenses he faced without Roaf were Buffalo and Houston.

Should we go ahead and take out the Buffalo game as well?

Let's just go ahead and take out every game where LJ looks good, why not?

:rolleyes:
No, the Buffalo game was a great performance.

Now remind me. How many points did we score in the Buffalo game?

Exactly.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:32 PM
No, the Buffalo game was a great performance.

Now remind me. How many points did we score in the Buffalo game?

Exactly.

Oh my god. Are you kidding me?

Yeah LJ threw three interceptions.

Not every running back that faced the Texans ran for 211 yards and 5.9 yards per carry, you know.
:shake:

CoMoChief
12-13-2005, 07:32 PM
Lj's ypc haven't dipped below 4.9 all year, even when Roaf was out. Gochiefs, can you find out what LJ's ypc are with and wihout Roaf?


Roaf has single handedly made our offense to where it is the best in the NFL again.

CoMoChief
12-13-2005, 07:35 PM
With Roaf: 130 carries, 638 yards, 4.9 yards per carry, 8 touchdowns.

Without Roaf: 117 carries, 613 yards, 5.23 yards per carry, 6 touchdowns.

LARRY JOHNSON DOESN'T NEED WILLIE ROAF!!!!!!!!!



Our passing game, as well as our offense as a whole sure as hell does. It was obvious that our offense needs him more than anyone who's not the QB.

JimNasium
12-13-2005, 07:35 PM
I plan to criticize the poll. I'll defer until later though.

tk13
12-13-2005, 07:36 PM
Oh my god. Are you kidding me?

Yeah LJ threw three interceptions.

You aren't helping your case, at all.

I think LJ belongs in the Pro Bowl. I think LJ might deserve to start in the Pro Bowl if he keeps playing like this.

The answer to the question in the thread header though, is Roaf. You just proved my point. When LJ has a good game, we can still be a bad offense and lose. When Roaf has a good game, we are a great offense.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:40 PM
When LJ has a good game, we can still be a bad offense and lose. When Roaf has a good game, we are a great offense.

Uh, OK. Did you watch the Redskins game? I didn't see Roaf having a bad game that day and our offense looked lousy.

Maybe if we had played LJ more that day we'd have done better.

Rain Man
12-13-2005, 07:42 PM
I plan to criticize the poll. I'll defer until later though.


Keep in mind that I haven't yet decided in my will about who gets my socks.

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:42 PM
Who's winning this poll? :D

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:46 PM
Total yards Old Dude.


DUH!!!
How is that a fair comparison, Pastor dude, when VD keeps LJ on the bench? Is LJ supposed to fight with one hand tied behind his back?

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 07:49 PM
How is that a fair comparison, Pastor dude, when VD keeps LJ on the bench? Is LJ supposed to fight with one hand tied behind his back?

Larry Johnson has the 2nd-fewest carries among the top 10 RBs.

He's FOURTH in rushing.

JimNasium
12-13-2005, 07:55 PM
Keep in mind that I haven't yet decided in my will about who gets my socks.
I thought we had discussed this and decided that they should be donated for scientific research.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 07:59 PM
That's it. You're out of my will.
OK, if you're gonna do that I'm gonna go watch Beverly Hillbillies some more and come up with some more quaint insults.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 08:21 PM
Roaf has single handedly made our offense to where it is the best in the NFL again.
While Roaf affects the Chiefs performance, he does NOT affect LJ's. It's about time VD wised up to that.

philfree
12-13-2005, 09:42 PM
Not enough love for Shields IMO. How many games has started in a row? I think Roaf is deserving but because he's missed multiple games I give the nod to Shields.

PhilFree:arrow:

Count Alex's Wins
12-13-2005, 11:17 PM
Not enough love for Shields IMO. How many games has started in a row? I think Roaf is deserving but because he's missed multiple games I give the nod to Shields.

PhilFree:arrow:

Shields didn't play that well early in the year.

Halfcan
12-13-2005, 11:30 PM
Eric Warfield-you have to give him props-after his third DUI and a four game suspension-he comes in as a number two corner and doesn't miss a beat-he still gets toasted as good as he ever did. Hell he made Jp Loserman of the Bills look all pro.

joesomebody
12-13-2005, 11:32 PM
Dunn definitely is one of our more valuable players. His blocking is superb, as we saw on that last play against the Raiders. However, as was also pointed out, he doesn't have a chance in heck to make the pro bowl since he doesn't catch passes. That's too bad.Absolutely Rain Man, I simply wanted to bring up his name. The poll is MOST deserving, not who is most likely to make it.

I know there is no way he'll ever make the bowl, I'd bet no casual to good fan of Football outside of the Chiefs organization has ever heard of Dunn, and he has zero stats to ever get him in.

I simply appreciate his outstanding effort week in and out, and that he has never (at least that I've seen) complained about his lack of stardom, or tried to rape the teams salary cap in any way.

Halfcan
12-13-2005, 11:45 PM
Absolutely Rain Man, I simply wanted to bring up his name. The poll is MOST deserving, not who is most likely to make it.

I know there is no way he'll ever make the bowl, I'd bet no casual to good fan of Football outside of the Chiefs organization has ever heard of Dunn, and he has zero stats to ever get him in.

I simply appreciate his outstanding effort week in and out, and that he has never (at least that I've seen) complained about his lack of stardom, or tried to rape the teams salary cap in any way.


I agree-our running game would not be the same and has made some big catches for us-plus cleared the way for a lot of TD's.

Number 1 Offense in the NFL!!!!

philfree
12-14-2005, 12:09 AM
Shields didn't play that well early in the year.

He was handicapped by the RT position but to a point I'll agree. I still think if I had to choose one player only it would be him. IMO we have several players who are deserving. Roaf, Waters, Gonzo and T-Rich are all deserving. Defensively Jared Allen is deserving as well as Sammy Knight. Dante Hall is deserving IMO. If Trent Green continues on his pace of the last three or four weeks he's deserving though there is very tough competition at QB. If Tynes would have made his last FG attempt he'd be deserving.

PhilFree:arrow:

Johnson&Johnson
12-14-2005, 12:19 AM
those who want LJ in, better go submit your PROBOWL ballot. On the AFC side, seems like LT and Edge is a sure thing. All LJ gotta do is beat out Rudi Johnson.

greg63
12-14-2005, 01:24 AM
Well, since I could only pick one I went with LJ. His stats are phenomenal. My next choice would have been Green; he's one tough QB.

penchief
12-14-2005, 07:37 AM
Sorry, that's total bullshit. You can't take stuff away.

And he's STILL averaging more yards per carry without the Texans game. 4.96!!! The defense rests!

tk13 is always trying to downplay LJ's success by giving someone else the credit. First it was Priest and now it's Willie.

Give it up, tk. It's time to give in and admit that LJ is an extraordinary talent. He would be a great back no matter who he played for. And he will be a dominant player in this league no matter who he ends up playing for. He's never, ever, ever done anything differently then what he's doing now. It's a good thing that he's always had people like Priest and Willie to soften up the defense for him so he can pad his stats.