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shaneo69
12-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Who's better?

33 catches, 1 TD in 13 games for Lelie (4th year, former 1st rounder)

25 catches, 2 TD's in 9 games for Parker (2nd year, former 4th rounder)

morphius
12-13-2005, 08:29 PM
I haven't seen a lot of Lelie this year, but Samie started off dropping way too many passes. He has come on really strong the last couple of games, but this is still a bit too early to know crap about how good Parker is.

Count Zarth
12-13-2005, 08:33 PM
Yards per game is almost even.

Lelie has really dropped off this for whatever reason.

Over at the Mane half of them blame Plummer and half of them just blame Lelie for being a pussy who can't go over the middle very well.

Parker's got him beat there, fo sho!

Dunit35
12-13-2005, 08:35 PM
Id say Parker, because he isnt a former first rounder. Lelie was supposed to be the second coming of Jerry Rice or something? Oh and I hate every Donkey player.

suds79
12-13-2005, 08:38 PM
Well neither is outstanding but Lelie being a 1st rounder is probably a big dissapointment to most Denver fans.

milkman
12-13-2005, 08:38 PM
I think we should wait another couple of years before drawing a comparison.

BigChiefFan
12-13-2005, 08:39 PM
I'm surprised Lelie's numbers are that low. He was a speedster coming out of college.

Skip Towne
12-13-2005, 08:52 PM
I'm surprised Lelie's numbers are that low. He was a speedster coming out of college.
Yes but he played in Hawaii against weak kneed competition. I thought he was drafted way too high and so did Taco.

Garcia Bronco
12-13-2005, 09:05 PM
I threw a computer out the window when we drafted him.

morphius
12-13-2005, 09:16 PM
I threw a computer out the window when we drafted him.
You didn't trust in the genious that is Shanhan?

GreatBronco
12-13-2005, 09:41 PM
You didn't trust in the genious that is Shanhan?

Not on that pick. They passed over Ed Reed. Now tell me Denver wouldn't have been better off with Reed instead of Lelie.

alanm
12-13-2005, 09:46 PM
Not on that pick. They passed over Ed Reed. Now tell me Denver wouldn't have been better off with Reed instead of Lelie.Well for that matter so would've the Chiefs. But I still think that Parker is the better receiver.
:thumb:

Chiefs Pantalones
12-13-2005, 09:47 PM
Samie was cheaper, eh.

Hoover
12-13-2005, 10:12 PM
Ashley Lelie is the product of they ESPN Hype Machine. If it wasn't for them he would have been a 2nd rounder

Taco John
12-13-2005, 11:46 PM
Yes but he played in Hawaii against weak kneed competition. I thought he was drafted way too high and so did Taco.


I wanted Ed Reed. I thought Lelie was a second rounder.

I like Lelie. He's a classy guy with a lot of talent. And as much as I think Plummer has improved this year, I think Lelie and Plummer are a bad match. More to the point, I think Lelie is a bad fit in this offense. We require guys like Rod Smith and Eddie McCaffrey, who are able to physically outmaneuver a defender. Lelie doesn't use his body well when he's force to adjust to a ball on the fly. The great receivers can do that. Lelie doesn't seem to be able to.

Where Lelie excels in in the open field against an overmatched safety who can't keep up. A quarterback with some downfield touch could light up the scoreboard with Lelie. He's never going to go over the middle and be successful in this league. He's not a #1 WR. He'd be a better #2 in a different system, IMO. I'm interested to see what happens to him this offseason. Next year is his contract year, and I think that Lelie could be trade bait this spring.

Mecca
12-13-2005, 11:48 PM
I wanted Ed Reed.

I like Lelie. He's a classy guy with a lot of talent. And as much as I think Plummer has improved this year, I think Lelie and Plummer are a bad match. More to the point, I think Lelie is a bad fit in this offense. We require guys like Rod Smith and Eddie McCaffrey, who are able to physically outmaneuver a defender. Lelie doesn't use his body well when he's force to adjust to a ball on the fly. The great receivers can do that. Lelie doesn't seem to be able to.

Where Lelie excels in in the open field against an overmatched safety who can't keep up. A quarterback with some downfield touch could light up the scoreboard with Lelie. He's never going to go over the middle and be successful in this league. He's not a #1 WR. He'd be a better #2 in a different system, IMO. I'm interested to see what happens to him this offseason. Next year is his contract year, and I think that Lelie could be trade bait this spring.

It could be worse......he could be Marcus Nash.

Ultra Peanut
12-14-2005, 12:00 AM
Yes but he played in Hawaii against weak kneed competition. The thing about Hawai'i isn't even the competition, it's the fact that their offense completely skews things.

<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=14030&stc=1&d=1134452079" style="width: 600px; height: 100px; border: 0" alt="" />I'll say it:

Ouch.

Taco John
12-14-2005, 12:02 AM
It could be worse......he could be Marcus Nash.


It could be worse than that... It could be Sylvester Morris.

CoMoChief
12-14-2005, 12:05 AM
Sorry guys, but Lelie is a better WR than Parker.

cdcox
12-14-2005, 12:47 AM
Lelie is in his 3rd break-out season. That's pretty hard to beat.

alanm
12-14-2005, 07:02 AM
It could be worse than that... It could be Sylvester Morris.
That's not a fair comparison and you know it. Morris would have been a monster had he not had his knee blow up on him twice, ending his career. :shake:

Mecca
12-14-2005, 07:04 AM
That's not a fair comparison and you know it. Morris would have been a monster had he not had his knee blow up on him twice, ending his career. :shake:

Well, he's no Marcus Nash who's off winning awards in the arena league.

Count Zarth
12-14-2005, 07:07 AM
It could be worse than that... It could be Sylvester Morris.

Marcus Nash had 4 career catches, dumbshit.

Ralphy Boy
12-14-2005, 07:14 AM
I wanted Ed Reed. I thought Lelie was a second rounder.

I like Lelie. He's a classy guy with a lot of talent. And as much as I think Plummer has improved this year, I think Lelie and Plummer are a bad match. More to the point, I think Lelie is a bad fit in this offense. We require guys like Rod Smith and Eddie McCaffrey, who are able to physically outmaneuver a defender. Lelie doesn't use his body well when he's force to adjust to a ball on the fly. The great receivers can do that. Lelie doesn't seem to be able to.

Where Lelie excels in in the open field against an overmatched safety who can't keep up. A quarterback with some downfield touch could light up the scoreboard with Lelie. He's never going to go over the middle and be successful in this league. He's not a #1 WR. He'd be a better #2 in a different system, IMO. I'm interested to see what happens to him this offseason. Next year is his contract year, and I think that Lelie could be trade bait this spring.

I've thought since his rookie season that he was a bad fit in your offense, but I do think he'd do well in ours. Having said that, he does remind me of Todd Pinkston somewhat. Either way it just goes to prove my longstanding point that certain receivers are much better fits in certain types of offenses. Think about Chris Chambers as the replacement for Rod Smith.

This thread reminded me of when I told you that you guys would draft Tatum Bell to replace Portis and you got all ticked off saying how I was wrong, then after you did draft him, I drug up the article just to make fun of you...

...and again now just cause. :p

Count Zarth
12-14-2005, 07:38 AM
Think about Chris Chambers as the replacement for Rod Smith.


Oh god...I love Chris Chambers. He's listed at 5'11, but he has the arms, legs and jumping ability of a man that is much taller.

Isn't he a free agent soon? He'd make our offense ZOOM considering the shyte QBs he's had in Miami.

Mecca
12-14-2005, 07:40 AM
Chris Chambers re-signed with the Dolphins last year I believe.

Tribal Warfare
12-14-2005, 07:55 AM
Chris Chambers re-signed with the Dolphins last year I believe.
I will always remember when Miami jumped ahead of KC in the second to grab Chambers, because Vermeil was really coveting this kid, then the Dolphins got wind of this and traded up to get the WR.

rageeumr
12-14-2005, 08:05 AM
If we're talking about this year, I'd trade Parker for Lelie straight up in a heartbeat. However, who can ignore the progression that Parker has made just over the course of this season? He has evolved from dropping easy my-out-of-shape-arse-could-catch-that-ball passes to snatching damn near everything thrown his way. Give him another year to mature and learn the system, and I think he could become a really good option. TO/Chad Johnson/Randy Moss he is not, but if I was signing a 3 year deal I think I'd take Parker.

PastorMikH
12-14-2005, 08:07 AM
It's a little early for me with Parker. He's doing much better, but I still remember all the drops with smiles and laughs walking off the field after having passes bounce off his hands, some for crucial plays.

milkman
12-14-2005, 08:14 AM
It's a little early for me with Parker. He's doing much better, but I still remember all the drops with smiles and laughs walking off the field after having passes bounce off his hands, some for crucial plays.

Some people laugh when they get frustrated, or pissed.

I am one of those.

I think it's a mistake to judge his desire because of that.

Fish
12-14-2005, 08:28 AM
I really like the progress that Parker has made. I went from thinking he was legit in pre-season, to thinking he was a fluke due to dropped passes and just giving up on routes. But he's catching pretty well now, and he gets some great seperation on some of his routes. He's been mirroring Green when Trent is forced to scramble, and has been coming up with some huge 3rd down pickups because of it. That's a pretty good sign in my book.

dtebbe
12-14-2005, 09:11 AM
I want to believe in Parker, he must be working hard. It would be nice to have a late draft pick pan out at the WR position. Let just hope that he's not the next Joe Horn... a probowler that ends up somewhere else.

Dammit Carl! :cuss: (although I think Marty had more to do with Horn)

DT

phxchief
12-14-2005, 11:09 AM
Lelie is a better deep threat, at least right now, but i'll take Samie's game over the rest of the field.

jspchief
12-14-2005, 11:13 AM
Lelie is a one trick pony, and he doesn't do that trick very well.

The only thing he's good at is beating people deep. Problem is, he doesn't have the hands to make those deep catches often enough.

Parker has shown bad hands too, but at least he can effectively run all the routes in the playbook.

shakesthecat
12-14-2005, 11:13 AM
At this stage in thier careers, I'd take Parker over Lelie in a minute.

He a much more complete WR.

Chieficus
12-14-2005, 11:44 AM
Parker has shown bad hands too,

Maybe I'm just putting on blinders to something obvious... but it seems that ever since Parker came back from his injury, he really hasn't dropped much of anything...

Good route running and improving hands...