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dtrain
12-25-2005, 11:10 PM
I think after watching this season a WR is not a high priority. Sammie Parker can get the job done if given the chance. When Kennison leaves I believe Boerichter can get it done. I believe a more pressing needs are O line, safety, DE, DT, FB, and QOTF. We should address safety and O line thru FA if possible cause they will need to contribute right away. Maybe make a trade for a DT/DE/QOTF if we can't get one in FA. Then we can draft best available player. If not then our scouting department better do a better job then they have been in the past. I don't believe we need to rebuild next year at all!!!

Scorp
12-25-2005, 11:18 PM
If we don't get a number one receiver soon, I am gonna go mad! :banghead:

John_Wayne
12-25-2005, 11:20 PM
I think, next year, the team needs are WR, DT, OL, DE, QB, FB, S in that order. Honestly, I don't care if they come from FA or the draft. However, I do think the WR and DT need to start and make in impact in '06. The others can just be contributors in '06 and starters in '07 and/or '08.

cdcox
12-25-2005, 11:23 PM
Which of Bo's 8 catches this year convinced you he could be a starter in this league?

Tribal Warfare
12-25-2005, 11:55 PM
FA should be the target position wish list to get either

WR- Charles Rogers

DE- John Abraham

DT- Larry Tripplett

The draft should always consist of getting the BAA, and this draft the deepest position is OT. The position KC is in the Chiefs could get a damn good one Marcus McNeill or Jon Scott.

Alphaman
12-26-2005, 12:21 AM
1) Darren Howard or John Abraham (DEs).
2) Cletidus Hunt (DT).
3) Wendell Bryant (DT) (at the league minimum to see if he play up to his potential in camp).
4) Joey Harrington.
5) Chester Taylor to backup LJ if Priest retires.
5) Draft OT in first round.
6) Draft CB in 2nd round.

Kennison and Parker, while not top 10 WRs, are good enough if LJ is running like he is running now. I'd promote Thorpe and McIntyre next year and cut Boerigter and Horn. Thorpe and McIntyre have the potential to be much, much more explosive than those 2 guys.

That's what I would do.

Count Alex's Wins
12-26-2005, 12:25 AM
Just say NO to John Abraham. We can't play him at left end and Jared Allen is the right end.

B_Ambuehl
12-26-2005, 12:34 AM
Receivers are a dime a dozen and finding one to come in and play is rarely a problem. Most of the receivers on any roster or even practice squad in this league can become "stars" in the fans eyes as long as they're thrown the ball. There are almost always former numbers ones available in free agency every year dirt cheap.

Finding someone to get the ball to the receiver, and more importantly, protecting that someone long enough so that he can get the ball downfield, are both more difficult.

Neither of those are immediate problems for the Chiefs unless Roaf retires. Welbourn should slide back to right guard and play at an all pro level. That's if they can get him re-signed. I'm not sure that his contract is up but I've heard reference to it. Sampson looked good at right tackle when he played. I've heard rumors the Chiefs will try to pursue big John Runyan at right tackle but I don't see where that money's gonna come from and if it does come up I'd save it and spend it elsewhere.

Considering the Chiefs have 2 receivers closing in on 1000 yards for the 2nd consecutive year and they've ranked first or 2nd in offense the last 4 years and did this without a so-called "number one receiver", I don't see any problems there either - especially considering the defense is still #28 or worse.

It would be nice to have a good young left tackle come in for a year so that he can take over for Roaf. It would also be nice to have a talented and fairly cheap young qb come in for a couple of years so that he can eventually take over for Green at QB. Harrington and Ramsey come to mind there and there will surely be more people on that list in the coming months.

Problems do exist at practically every position along the defense. DT really can't be a priority now because Sims has shown too many flashes and cutting Jr. and bringing in someone like Kimeatua(sp?) from the Ravens, although appealing in my eyes, will be difficult because cutting Jr. would be hard on the cap. Dalton doesnt produce a lot of stats but has held up at the nose tackle postion. He's a FA this offseason. Browning is a FA. Hicks is also a FA and I don't think will be re-signed. The Chiefs need another defensive end that can stop the run and get to the quarterback. Abraham is too small to play opposite Allen...Darren Howard comes to mind but he's gonna be expensive and the Chiefs are already in a pretty bad place with the cap next year. Carlos Hall is also free agent this offseason.

MLB and LOLB are strengths but ROLB will have to be placed in the hands of Key Fox or Kris Griffin. Bell is due too much money for what he's produced and should be cut.

CB is still a weakness. Both of them are 30. Warfield is due to make a lot of money next year and hasn't looked really good. I say it's a weakness because considering the Chiefs have 2 thirty year old cornerbacks they have little in the way of young developing talent on the roster at the position. Hodge has yet to get a snap on defense in an NFL game and is a 5th round pick who never had an Int. in college. Sapp looks good against the run but not in coverage.

At SS Knight is getting older and slower and suffers in coverage. Wesley is Wesley. Sooner or later Bartee's gonna have to get a shot at a safety position. Upgrades at either of those positions would be welcome.

Now consider that LJ is the most underpaid player at his position in the league and probably will and should hold out if he doesn't get a better contract. Ditto Brian Waters and Jared Allen.

Getting those guys re-signed should take priority over anything else. But once they are re-signed I don't think there will be any money left over for anything else.

That basically means no free agents at DT, DE, OT, or secondary.

From where I sit I'd be happy if the Chiefs are able to come out of this offseason without losing anybody of major importance.

huskerdooz
12-26-2005, 12:48 AM
I think after watching this season a WR is not a high priority. Sammie Parker can get the job done if given the chance. When Kennison leaves I believe Boerichter can get it done. I believe a more pressing needs are O line, safety, DE, DT, FB, and QOTF. We should address safety and O line thru FA if possible cause they will need to contribute right away. Maybe make a trade for a DT/DE/QOTF if we can't get one in FA. Then we can draft best available player. If not then our scouting department better do a better job then they have been in the past. I don't believe we need to rebuild next year at all!!!

It sure would've been nice to take a flier on Koren Robinson this past off season. If we would have, our #1 WR worries would be a thing of the past. I know that the majority of this board didn't want to have anything to do with him but I wasn't included in that mix. I predict that next year he takes over as the #1 WR in MINN and puts up a 1000+ yd season.

DaWolf
12-26-2005, 03:28 AM
I think after watching this season a WR is not a high priority. Sammie Parker can get the job done if given the chance. When Kennison leaves I believe Boerichter can get it done. I believe a more pressing needs are O line, safety, DE, DT, FB, and QOTF. We should address safety and O line thru FA if possible cause they will need to contribute right away. Maybe make a trade for a DT/DE/QOTF if we can't get one in FA. Then we can draft best available player. If not then our scouting department better do a better job then they have been in the past. I don't believe we need to rebuild next year at all!!!

That entire post sounds like exactly what we were saying at the end of last year outside of the fact that LB has been removed off the list of priorities.

Samie Parker is not consistent enough for me to consider him an answer to anything at this point...

Warrior5
12-26-2005, 06:19 AM
Too many "if's" right now for me to analyze.

If Roaf and Shields stay one more year...

Who are our UFAs and RFAs...

Greatest need right now and for next season? Undoubtedly DT. The entire defense is founded on the push in the middle, and we have NONE.

Develop Sims and Dalton? FA or draft? I think you waste FA money on a DT; it's not a skill position like DE, so you can draft a stud and start him the same year.

So until the waters clear up a bit concerning coaches, Roaf, and Shields, I'm saying DT.

Mecca
12-26-2005, 06:25 AM
It sure would've been nice to take a flier on Koren Robinson this past off season. If we would have, our #1 WR worries would be a thing of the past. I know that the majority of this board didn't want to have anything to do with him but I wasn't included in that mix. I predict that next year he takes over as the #1 WR in MINN and puts up a 1000+ yd season.

I was one of the few that wanted to sign Robinson before this season.....I think Vlad did also. There were very few of us that were on that wagon that's for sure.

phxchief
12-26-2005, 06:36 AM
Build defense, particularly through the draft.

That his how you put together a championship type of team. We have to continue building our defense up. If we bring in any FAs, ensure they're not 30-plus.

Our LB core, at least on paper, is a real strength. Hopefully we'll get to see them all next year - healthy. But we have to improve our D-line and secondary. Look at San Diego and what they've been able to do up front, and look at some of the results.

Mecca
12-26-2005, 06:38 AM
We basically need an DE and a DT more than anything. The way the draft is it would be smarter to sign a DE and draft a DT. But the thing is after the amount of money the Chiefs spent last year, are they gonna wanna drop big money on a Darren Howard?

phxchief
12-26-2005, 06:51 AM
We don't want Darren Howard. He's getting older, he's way too expensive (and not worth it) and he's coming off some injury problems, albeit minor ones.

Draft > free agency.

Just not under Vermeil. Hopefully a new coach will sort that out.

Mecca
12-26-2005, 06:52 AM
We don't want Darren Howard. He's getting older, he's way too expensive (and not worth it) and he's coming off some injury problems, albeit minor ones.

Draft > free agency.

Just not under Vermeil. Hopefully a new coach will sort that out.

There aren't any Defensive Ends to draft.......Since we have Allen, Abraham doesn't exactly fit either unless you wanna have 2 small ends that get run all over.

phxchief
12-26-2005, 06:56 AM
There aren't any Defensive Ends to draft

Just stop there. ROFL

Yep. Finito.

Mecca
12-26-2005, 07:00 AM
Just stop there. ROFL

Yep. Finito.

Um there's 2 Defensive Ends, those guys are going top 5, hence there aren't any Defensive Ends for the Chiefs to draft. There are not going to be quality Ends on the board at pick 21.

htismaqe
12-26-2005, 07:12 AM
We won't be signing any high-profile free agents this offseason.

Last year was year 2 of the 2-year cycle.

Mecca
12-26-2005, 07:16 AM
We won't be signing any high-profile free agents this offseason.

Last year was year 2 of the 2-year cycle.

I really really hate that too..........They'll play off that they went 10-6 and don't need that much help.

htismaqe
12-26-2005, 07:24 AM
I really really hate that too..........They'll play off that they went 10-6 and don't need that much help.

No they won't.

They'll come out and say that we spent all of our money last year and it's a 2-year cycle.

They do this everytime.

There's only 1 or 2 teams in the league that don't run on a 2-year cycle.

It's the reality of the salary-cap era.

dtrain
12-26-2005, 09:32 AM
Which of Bo's 8 catches this year convinced you he could be a starter in this league?

Gotta be on the field to produce and he hasn't gotten that much play. I have faith given a legit chance he will get it done. Don't forget he was supposed to be the starter last year until he got hurt.

DaWolf
12-26-2005, 09:45 AM
No they won't.

They'll come out and say that we spent all of our money last year and it's a 2-year cycle.

They do this everytime.

There's only 1 or 2 teams in the league that don't run on a 2-year cycle.

It's the reality of the salary-cap era.

However, it may also depend on which coach we bring in. It may be that we will be cutting some "fat" this offseason too. We'll have to see...

htismaqe
12-26-2005, 09:57 AM
However, it may also depend on which coach we bring in. It may be that we will be cutting some "fat" this offseason too. We'll have to see...

Yes, that may be true. But cutting results in dead cap money. We won't sign any high-profile free agents this year, there's just no way.

Remember, we signed Green and Holmes after getting Vermeil. But Green was a trade and Holmes was bargain basement...

I'm not saying there won't be personnel changes. We just won't be signing any guys like Surtain, or even Barber, this offseason. This is a "Lional Dalton" year...

DTLB58
12-26-2005, 10:27 AM
Um there's 2 Defensive Ends, those guys are going top 5, hence there aren't any Defensive Ends for the Chiefs to draft. There are not going to be quality Ends on the board at pick 21.

So then we trade down and draft another RB :p

chiefsfaninNC
12-26-2005, 10:43 AM
Yes, that may be true. But cutting results in dead cap money. We won't sign any high-profile free agents this year, there's just no way.

Remember, we signed Green and Holmes after getting Vermeil. But Green was a trade and Holmes was bargain basement...

I'm not saying there won't be personnel changes. We just won't be signing any guys like Surtain, or even Barber, this offseason. This is a "Lional Dalton" year...


Yep. I don't see any big time free agents coming in this year. We need to try and find a WR in free agency. DT and OT are the biggest needs in the draft.

HC_Chief
12-26-2005, 10:46 AM
DT (at least 1) and a competant coaching staff.

Mr. Laz
12-26-2005, 10:51 AM
1. Coaching staff
2. DE
3. DT
4. WR
5. FS
6. OT
7. CB

SNR
12-26-2005, 11:00 AM
Sign a FA DT... maybe a WR

Draft an OT in the first, QB in the second round.

Anything we do beyond that in FA is gravy

Mr. Laz
12-26-2005, 11:34 AM
Sign a FA DT... maybe a WR

Draft an OT in the first, QB in the second round

so primary need is offense?

Alphaman
12-26-2005, 11:37 AM
Just say NO to John Abraham. We can't play him at left end and Jared Allen is the right end.

Jared Allen plays some LDE during games (particularly when Carlos Hall is in). He may need to add some 5 to 10 lbs, but he's still young. He can move to LDE.

1) Darren Howard or John Abraham (DEs).
2) Cletidus Hunt (DT).
3) Wendell Bryant (DT) (at the league minimum to see if he play up to his potential in camp).
4) Joey Harrington.
5) Chester Taylor to backup LJ if Priest retires.
5) Draft OT in first round.
6) Draft CB in 2nd round.

SNR
12-26-2005, 11:43 AM
so primary need is offense?I can't figure out a way to rebuild this D. Can you? We've got a lot of good players... VERY few superstars. We can't just get rid of our good players, can we? What about a guy like DJ? He's been okay, but I think for the talent he has and the hype around him, he has underachieved this season even for a rookie. Probably because he's being misused.

IMO, until we get EVERYONE on the same page, that includes position coaches and the players playing on plays that compliment their talents, we're going to suck anyway. I still refuse to believe that Kendrell Bell is a total bust for us. I saw what he did in Pittsburgh. I can't believe that he's not doing it here for us. There's got to be some other reason for this other than he was never very good to begin with.

Sammy Knight and Patrick Surtain can be much better players with a better scheme. What if we had a competant defensive line?

I'm not a GM nor a coach, nor do I act like I am. I'm just... ahh.. **** it. I'll just jump on the love/hate bandwagons that formulate on Chiefsplanet next season and act like I know what I'm talking about.

Mr. Laz
12-26-2005, 11:50 AM
I can't figure out a way to rebuild this D. Can you?
understood ... but our defensive line is just weak

need a major upgrade at LDE(Hicks)

Dalton has been alright in the middle ... but nobody else has shown much.

i still think Browning needs to be used more at DE


is it just coincedence that our defense took a dump when Sims came back?? :shrug:


we need to upgrade at FS imo too ... i know Wesley has 5 ints, but i honestly don't remember him breaking up a single pass. And he misses way too many tackles imo.

maybe move Eric warfield to free safety and get another cornerback? that would prolly improve are coverage unit quite a bit and maybe allow our linebackers to play forward instead back. I saw linebackers covering wide receivers waaaaaaaaay too much this year.


new coaches will probably help a ton

Ralphy Boy
12-26-2005, 11:59 AM
FA should be the target position wish list to get either

WR- Charles Rogers

DE- John Abraham

DT- Larry Tripplett

The draft should always consist of getting the BAA, and this draft the deepest position is OT. The position KC is in the Chiefs could get a damn good one Marcus McNeill or Jon Scott.

You had me until Larry Tripplett, he was strong coming out of college, but there is a reason that Indy got better when they benched him for Corey Simon.

As bad as our cap situation looks, its going to take forever to get back to where we should have been this year.

We need a bad ass safety along the lines of a Sean Taylor/Ed Reed/Roy Williams type.

Wesley has good hands, but is often out of position against the run and has forgotten how to hit. Gunther seems to think that Knight is the second coming of Ronnie Lott and puts him on guys like Shockey & Gates.

Ralphy Boy
12-26-2005, 12:02 PM
Darnell Bing, S, Southern Cal: Bing has drawn comparisons to Southern Cal alum and NFL Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott. Bing shows outstanding playmaking ability in pass coverage and is a willing and aggressive run defender who hits hard. Bing can play strong safety or free safety in the NFL and should start immediately if he grasps the playbook. If he enters the '06 daft, he could be the first safety selected.

Ralphy Boy
12-26-2005, 12:03 PM
LaRon Landry, S, LSU: Landry is a hard-hitting safety who is better in coverage than most cornerbacks and can play the run better than most linebackers. Landry (6-2, 204) is big and totaled 65 total tackles, one sack, three interceptions and eight passes broken up for LSU this season. He is similar to the Cowboys' Roy Williams but with better ball skills. If Landry enters the '06 draft, he will be a late-Round 1 or early-Round 2 pick.

nascher
12-26-2005, 12:13 PM
DE OL DT backup RB

Mr. Laz
12-26-2005, 12:18 PM
LaRon Landry, S, LSU: Landry is a hard-hitting safety who is better in coverage than most cornerbacks and can play the run better than most linebackers. Landry (6-2, 204) is big and totaled 65 total tackles, one sack, three interceptions and eight passes broken up for LSU this season. He is similar to the Cowboys' Roy Williams but with better ball skills. If Landry enters the '06 draft, he will be a late-Round 1 or early-Round 2 pick.
sounds like something we need

BigVE
12-26-2005, 12:27 PM
LaRon Landry, S, LSU: Landry is a hard-hitting safety who is better in coverage than most cornerbacks and can play the run better than most linebackers. Landry (6-2, 204) is big and totaled 65 total tackles, one sack, three interceptions and eight passes broken up for LSU this season. He is similar to the Cowboys' Roy Williams but with better ball skills. If Landry enters the '06 draft, he will be a late-Round 1 or early-Round 2 pick.


Ding ding ding.....we have a winner.

htismaqe
12-26-2005, 02:15 PM
Depending on how the 1st round plays out for offensive tackles, I think we should look DT/DE/S in the draft...

Those 4 are the positions of need and the only reason I put OT before the others is because of the age of the players currently manning those positions.

Tribal Warfare
12-26-2005, 02:22 PM
only reason I put OT before the others is because of the age of the players currently manning those positions.

Precisely!

Calcountry
12-26-2005, 03:05 PM
If we don't get a number one receiver soon, I am gonna go mad! :banghead:The problem with modern day "#1 receivers" is that they really feel that THEY are #1.

shaneo69
12-26-2005, 03:13 PM
Um there's 2 Defensive Ends, those guys are going top 5, hence there aren't any Defensive Ends for the Chiefs to draft. There are not going to be quality Ends on the board at pick 21.

I wouldn't mind trading down a couple spots and taking Darryl Tapp or Elvis Dumervil.

cdcox
12-26-2005, 03:18 PM
LaRon Landry, S, LSU: Landry is a hard-hitting safety who is better in coverage than most cornerbacks and can play the run better than most linebackers. Landry (6-2, 204) is big and totaled 65 total tackles, one sack, three interceptions and eight passes broken up for LSU this season. He is similar to the Cowboys' Roy Williams but with better ball skills. If Landry enters the '06 draft, he will be a late-Round 1 or early-Round 2 pick.

I bet we could covert him to a corner!