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siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 07:43 PM
Holiday Bowl tonite. At the half, Oregon leads Oklahoma 7-3.

Are we impressed by Stoops' job vs. the No. 6 team in the country?

Coach
12-29-2005, 07:50 PM
Well, it's not necessarly all on Stoops, since they had to change the Offensive Coordinator, since Chuck Long is going to SDSU.

Although, the OU defense managed to only keep Oregon's offense to just 7 points. Not bad, especially a Pac-10 team, who they score like crazy for the most part.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 07:53 PM
They just showed that Prothro catch against Southern Miss on a Pontiac commercial... that was some nasty-ass shit (http://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/05GameChangingPerformance/phase2/index?source=pontiac_ncaa_redirect), and the personification of "game-changing performance."

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 07:56 PM
Well, it's not necessarly all on Stoops, since they had to change the Offensive Coordinator, since Chuck Long is going to SDSU.

Although, the OU defense managed to only keep Oregon's offense to just 7 points. Not bad, especially a Pac-10 team, who they score like crazy for the most part.
They went 7-4 this year WITH Long as OC. I don't see how losing him cost them much. Stoops won the NC with the previous coach's players and hasn't done shit with his own. The guy can't evaluate talent. I sure hope we don't get him.

Halfcan
12-29-2005, 07:57 PM
Defense and a badazz running game wins championships.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 08:27 PM
Nice drive, nice TD pass. 10-7 OU.

Carl just drew up the papers.

beavis
12-29-2005, 08:28 PM
They went 7-4 this year WITH Long as OC. I don't see how losing him cost them much. Stoops won the NC with the previous coach's players and hasn't done shit with his own. The guy can't evaluate talent. I sure hope we don't get him.
Going to a national championship game isn't doing shit? I know he got owned, but come on, the guy is hardly the worst we could do.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 08:33 PM
Going to a national championship game isn't doing shit? I know he got owned, but come on, the guy is hardly the worst we could do.
He's done nothing but get his ass kicked since using his own players. With OU's tradition, I could do as well. He can get any player he wants but continues to pick duds.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 08:34 PM
Smooth move, A-Pete!

Zen & the Art of Cutting Your Head Open While Celebrating a Teammate's Touchdown

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 08:44 PM
OU 17-7.

Carl just picked up his cell phone.

tk13
12-29-2005, 08:45 PM
He can bring Adrian Peterson with him too...

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 08:45 PM
Adrian Peterson is an LJ waiting to happen.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2005, 08:45 PM
OU 17-7.

Carl just picked up his cell phone.

carl doesn't have the sack to take that kind of risk

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 08:45 PM
He can bring Adrian Peterson with him too...

We can trade LJ for 3 first-round picks.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 08:47 PM
He wears a visor.

'Nuff said.

SLAG
12-29-2005, 08:47 PM
We can trade LJ for 3 first-round picks.
:shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 08:47 PM
He wears a visor.

'Nuff said.

Spurrier needs to teach him how to throw it.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 08:51 PM
I'm sure Stoops would take the Chiefs job if offered. OU certainly won't put up with his mediocre ass.

Chieficus
12-29-2005, 08:58 PM
Going to a national championship game isn't doing shit? I know he got owned, but come on, the guy is hardly the worst we could do.

Just ignore Skip's ramblings on the subject.

Stoops' great-grandfather ran over his puppy once... Bitterness assoiciated with childhood trauma...

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-29-2005, 09:00 PM
His brother is following in his footsteps at U of A: over promising and under delivering.

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:02 PM
Skips - OU's tradition was dead for a long time, Stoops brought it back. Ever since the probation they had done NOTHING. So don't act like they could have gotten anyone they want, 'cause thats BS.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:04 PM
Just ignore Skip's ramblings on the subject.

Stoops' great-grandfather ran over his puppy once... Bitterness assoiciated with childhood trauma...
Hey, dipshit, I live in Tulsa. When Stoops was winning every other car I saw had those goofy OU flags flying. I haven't seen even one of those in two years. And, for your information, OU doesn't tolerate 7-4 seasons.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:05 PM
His brother is following in his footsteps at U of A: over promising and under delivering.

I actually think Mikey is a good coach. He's got a big task ahead of him though. I think he was set back a little by the death of the Umeh (sp?) kid in the spring.

Arizona has had some previous success and I expect them to have more, provided Mikey stays out of his car when hitting the sauce.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:06 PM
Carl breathes a sigh of relief on the fumble. A TD there might've boosted Stoops' salary demands.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:07 PM
Skips - OU's tradition was dead for a long time, Stoops brought it back. Ever since the probation they had done NOTHING. So don't act like they could have gotten anyone they want, 'cause thats BS.
Stoops "brought it back" with Blake's players. In case you haven't noticed, it left town again.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:08 PM
Sweetness.

You know Dan Fouts is giddy inside.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 09:09 PM
Oregon tried a flea flicker and Stoops defensive players did NOT bite on the fake....the receiver was DOUBLED deep.

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:10 PM
Stoops "brought it back" with Blake's players. In case you haven't noticed, it left town again.
Well, the big 12 isn't the old big 8 either when you could count on 5 easy wins, 1 tough game against a lesser OSU and then the tough NE. All the teams have stepped up their play to the point where they can make a game against anyone.

Plus you add that in with a first year QB, and you just are not going to be great off the bat anymore.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:11 PM
Oregon tried a flea flicker and Stoops defensive players did NOT bite on the fake....the receiver was DOUBLED deep.

Good DC work there.



Brent Venables...former KSU coach

Chieficus
12-29-2005, 09:11 PM
Hey, dipshit, I live in Tulsa. When Stoops was winning every other car I saw had those goofy OU flags flying. I haven't seen even one of those in two years. And, for your information, OU doesn't tolerate 7-4 seasons.

Something crawled up your rear and died tonight...

As an OU alum I don't need a lecture on the school's history and tradition, but thanks for this kind offering of information. (Oh, and I have one of those goofy OU flags, too).

I'm starting to think I'm right about the puppy, though.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:12 PM
Something crawled up your rear and died tonight...Tonight?

Chieficus
12-29-2005, 09:12 PM
Well, the big 12 isn't the old big 8 either when you could count on 5 easy wins, 1 tough game against a lesser OSU and then the tough NE. All the teams have stepped up their play to the point where they can make a game against anyone.

Plus you add that in with a first year QB, and you just are not going to be great off the bat anymore.

Don't forget the massive amount of starters they lost from both sides of the ball as well...

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:14 PM
Tonight?

Really. According to Wikipedia, that happened in 1962.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:14 PM
This is not how a Holiday Bowl should be...

They wouldn't have stood for this low-scoring shit back in the Culligan or Sea World days!

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:15 PM
Well, the big 12 isn't the old big 8 either when you could count on 5 easy wins, 1 tough game against a lesser OSU and then the tough NE. All the teams have stepped up their play to the point where they can make a game against anyone.

Plus you add that in with a first year QB, and you just are not going to be great off the bat anymore.
Do you even pay attention to the Big 12? These teams are weaker than I've seen in the Big 8 (or 12) in 50 years. The Big 12 got 6 teams into bowl games and only KU was a favorite. Yeah, that powerhouse KU. And OU hasn't had a decent QB in.....since Troy Aikman told them to go to hell. What the hell's an NE?

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:17 PM
Anyways, Holiday Bowl?

More like JESUS BOWL, M I RITE?

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:18 PM
Do you even pay attention to the Big 12? These teams are weaker than I've seen in the Big 8 (or 12) in 50 years. The Big 12 got 6 teams into bowl games and only KU was a favorite. Yeah, that powerhouse KU. And OU hasn't had a decent QB in.....since Troy Aikman told them to go to hell. What the hell's an NE?

Actually I think the Big 12 and the ACC got 8 bowl teams.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:18 PM
Anyways, Holiday Bowl?

More like JESUS BOWL, M I RITE?

Football is the reason for the season.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:19 PM
Anyways, Holiday Bowl?

More like JESUS BOWL, M I RITE?


what are you talking about?

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:21 PM
what are you talking about?

"I cain't STAND people who tell me 'happy holidays.' It's CHRISTMAS, dammit. CHRISTMAS! Y'know, Jesus' birth!"

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:21 PM
Really. According to Wikipedia, that happened in 1962.

That's a 40 year itch I'd never want.

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Do you even pay attention to the Big 12? These teams are weaker than I've seen in the Big 8 (or 12) in 50 years. The Big 12 got 6 teams into bowl games and only KU was a favorite. Yeah, that powerhouse KU. And OU hasn't had a decent QB in.....since Troy Aikman told them to go to hell. What the hell's an NE?
Dude, what the hell is in OK? It is considered in the same regards as NE, sorry to tell you.

The thing is that some of the big 12 actually made the post season, how many years there was it that the only two teams to go to bowls were NE and OU?

I'm not sure what past you are talking about, but just look at all the streaks that NE had over the rest of the old big 8 teams to know that they had all sucked for 30 years.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Actually I think the Big 12 and the ACC got 8 bowl teams.
Maybe so and how the hell did THAT happen? I read an article that pointed out that the conference had only ONE favorite, KU. BTW, William, what year was it the Big 8 finished 1, 2, 3 nationally? Oklahoma, Nebraska and Colorado?

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:23 PM
NE = Nebraska

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:23 PM
"I cain't STAND people who tell me 'happy holidays.' It's CHRISTMAS, dammit. CHRISTMAS! Y'know, Jesus' birth!"

That's funny, because as they went to commercial just after zerOU punted I noted the Happy Holidays on the screen. This got me to thinking the first time I remember seeing Merry Christmas on the screen before a network went to commercial:

The Chiefs Vs. Dolphins Christmas day game in 71.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:24 PM
Maybe so and how the hell did THAT happen? I read an article that pointed out that the conference had only ONE favorite, KU. BTW, William, what year was it the Big 8 finished 1, 2, 3 nationally? Oklahoma, Nebraska and Colorado?

1971 my friend.

Game of the Century that season. Big 8 was loaded then.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:25 PM
LMAO...teams make offers to this guy every year....he's not leaving OU if you ever heard him talk about being there.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:25 PM
That's funny, because as they went to commercial just after zerOU punted I noted the Happy Holidays on the screen. This got me to thinking the first time I remember seeing Merry Christmas on the screen before a network went to commercial:

The Chiefs Vs. Dolphins Christmas day game in 71.

It should've said: "Merry F*cking Christmas, Chiefs fans!"

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:27 PM
LMAO...teams make offers to this guy every year....he's not leaving OU if you ever heard him talk about being there.

That's because the OU alums, upon hearing of the possibility, pony up another 1mi, to keep his visor wearing ass.

They make these donations right after getting defibrillated out of their comas.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:27 PM
Dude, what the hell is in OK? It is considered in the same regards as NE, sorry to tell you.

The thing is that some of the big 12 actually made the post season, how many years there was it that the only two teams to go to bowls were NE and OU?

I'm not sure what past you are talking about, but just look at all the streaks that NE had over the rest of the old big 8 teams to know that they had all sucked for 30 years.
Texas is the ONLY legitimate team in the Big 12. Did you notice what they did to the North division "winner" Colorado? Don't try to tell me this conference is superior to the old Big 8. It ain't so.

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:29 PM
Texas is the ONLY legitimate team in the Big 12. Did you notice what they did to the North division "winner" Colorado? Don't try to tell me this conference is superior to the old Big 8. It ain't so.
At the top, no it is not superior, overall competitivness, yes it is.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:30 PM
LMAO...teams make offers to this guy every year....he's not leaving OU if you ever heard him talk about being there.
He may not leave of his own volition but he'll leave if he keeps delivering 7-4 seasons and getting the shit stomped out of him in bowl games.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:33 PM
Getting back to these Oregon uni's:

Who designed that shiot? J-Lo?

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:33 PM
At the top, no it is not superior, overall competitivness, yes it is.
Then you need to call your bookie and clean up because the oddsmakers say otherwise.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:35 PM
He may not leave of his own volition but he'll leave if he keeps delivering 7-4 seasons and getting the shit stomped out of him in bowl games.

As it stand right now..he's up 17-7 against O..and played for the BCS NT a year ago next week. Plus has a NC under his belt...if that's a reason to hang him........didn't they start like 21 new faces this year. That's a bunch even if it's half that number.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:35 PM
Getting back to these Oregon uni's:

Who designed that shiot? J-Lo?
http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4103/d2.jpg
All White

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4123/2.jpg
Yellow jersey, green pants

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4154/4.jpg
All yellow

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4177/2.jpg
All green

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4207/6.jpg
White jerseys, green pants

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4255/2.jpg
Green jersey, yellow pants

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4284/005copy.jpg
White jersey, yellow pants

http://www.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/olive/images/4421/1.jpg
...Yeah

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:37 PM
Texas is the ONLY legitimate team in the Big 12. Did you notice what they did to the North division "winner" Colorado? Don't try to tell me this conference is superior to the old Big 8. It ain't so.

I would say the Big 12 was barely better than the big east this season. OU down...KU down...Neb...down...CU...same...Baylor up?...that tells you everything you need to know right there.

Saulbadguy
12-29-2005, 09:37 PM
**** the Pac-10.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:39 PM
Interference on the fake FG... wow.

That really was uncatchable... Leaf looked like his brother did in a Chargers uniform there.

Happy Touchdown Day!

SCTrojan
12-29-2005, 09:40 PM
Getting back to these Oregon uni's:

Who designed that shiot? J-Lo?

Phil Knight, the Nike guy, is a big alum. Those unis have something to do with his trying to increase his market share with new style uniforms. I think Miami and Va Tech experimented with them this year.

morphius
12-29-2005, 09:41 PM
Then you need to call your bookie and clean up because the oddsmakers say otherwise.
Again, at the top they are weaker, but when was the last time that 5 of the 8 old big 8 teams made bowl games?

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:41 PM
Phil Knight, the Nike guy, is a big alum. Those unis have something to do with his trying to increase his market share with new style uniforms. I think Miami and Va Tech experimented with them this year.

And Florida

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:41 PM
Phil Knight, the Nike guy, is a big alum. Those unis have something to do with his trying to increase his market share with new style uniforms. I think Miami and Va Tech experimented with them this year.How could you forget these beauties?

<img src="http://www.bevosports.com/images/leak_fugly.jpg" style="width: 218px; height: 168px; border: 0" alt="" />

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:41 PM
That's because the OU alums, upon hearing of the possibility, pony up another 1mi, to keep his visor wearing ass.

They make these donations right after getting defibrillated out of their comas.
We call that "oil money" around here. Oil definately puts money into the wrong hands. Witness Jerry Jones. A popular bumper sticker in Oklahoma says " Please don't tell my folks I'm working in the oil fields, they think I'm playing the piano in a whorehouse".

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 09:43 PM
With the way the Refs have been so one-sided in their calls, I'd say that if Stoopes pulls out a W it will be one more reason to have him with the Chiefs. We need a coach that can win even with poor officiating.

Saulbadguy
12-29-2005, 09:43 PM
Head Coach Ron Prince, upon being asked if their will be any changes to the logo or uniforms:

"No."
(applause)

"We do not need all those doo-dads on our uniforms like Miami."

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:44 PM
Nice job on going out of bounds, A-Pete... that was worse than cracking your head open, dude.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 09:44 PM
Phil Knight, the Nike guy, is a big alum. .

Those threads look like they were designed by Sug Knight. Absolute dogshiot.

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:44 PM
Another popular bumper sticker says "Please, God, let there be another oil boom, I promise I won't piss it off this time". Obviously, oil people are not well thought of in Oklahoma.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:49 PM
Haha, this is awesome.

tk13
12-29-2005, 09:49 PM
Now there's the Chiefs defense I know and love.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:50 PM
OU tanking it and not tackling...they look like the career day _efense

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:51 PM
I would say the Big 12 was barely better than the big east this season. OU down...KU down...Neb...down...CU...same...Baylor up?...that tells you everything you need to know right there.
KU down? Better look again. Yes, about Big East quality overall unless you listen to Morphius. BTA nobody listens to Morphius.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 09:52 PM
My god that was an amazing play by the Oregon QB.

tk13
12-29-2005, 09:52 PM
Haha, now THAT'S the Chiefs defense I know and love, let somebody scramble all over the field and just barely let him get off a great play...

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:53 PM
Has anybody else noticed that OU is Peterson and nothing else?

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:54 PM
Oh, no! What a dumbass!

Claynus
12-29-2005, 09:54 PM
Haha, now THAT'S the Chiefs defense I know and love, let somebody scramble all over the field and just barely let him get off a great play...

OU just picked off a pass to end the game.

WELCOME TO KANSAS CITY, BOB STOOPS!

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:54 PM
KU down? Better look again. Yes, about Big East quality overall unless you listen to Morphius. BTA nobody listens to Morphius.

I meant K-State

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
Has anybody else noticed that OU is Peterson and nothing else?




Actually, Bomar looked better than I've ever seen him before. He was extremely sharp before he took so many hits. He's playing now with 2 bad fingers on his throwing hand.

leviw
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
A Leaf throws a game away in SD. Never heard of such a thing.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
Unbelievable effort to convert on 3rd down, and then blows it with a pick on 2nd down with the world at his fingertips.

Just when he was about to rehabilitate the Leaf name in SD...

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
A Leaf throws a game away in SD. Never heard of such a thing.

ROFL

tk13
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
OU just picked off a pass to end the game.

WELCOME TO KANSAS CITY, BOB STOOPS!
Once again a Leaf pisses his career away in Qualcomm Stadium.

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
He should have been doused with Gatorade in his last game coaching OU.

tk13
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
Damn, I was slow on that one....

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
okay...back to the topic...why would Stoops be a good enough coach to coach the Chiefs in the NFL?

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
Once again a Leaf pisses his career away in Qualcomm Stadium.



ROFL ROFL ROFL



That's Rep!

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
OMG, did Stoops just put a Chiefs cap on his head?

Claynus
12-29-2005, 09:56 PM
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 09:57 PM
With the way the Refs have been so one-sided in their calls, I'd say that if Stoopes pulls out a W it will be one more reason to have him with the Chiefs. We need a coach that can win even with poor officiating.
OK, pull out the officiating excuse. OU has gone nothing but downhill since Blake's players left. Stoops flat can't evaluate talent. If we hire that idiot, I'm blaming YOU.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:57 PM
THE SOONERS ARE IMPLODING!!!!!

leviw
12-29-2005, 09:57 PM
Damn, I was slow on that one....

No worries. I've been waiting to post that since the third quarter.

tk13
12-29-2005, 09:57 PM
And then his QB proceeds to stop the clock with an unsportsmanlike on a kneel down... ROFL

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 09:58 PM
My goodness that's a tacky call. Both of the Unsportsman-like conduct calls were pretty lame



The refs aren't too happy that their team is losing.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:58 PM
Aaaaaand now they demean their upset victory by chanting "OVERRATED!" at a team missing its starting quarterback.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 09:59 PM
My goodness that's a tacky call. Both of the Unsportsman-like conduct calls were pretty lame



The refs aren't too happy that their team is losing..

Skip Towne
12-29-2005, 10:00 PM
Actually, Bomar looked better than I've ever seen him before. He was extremely sharp before he took so many hits. He's playing now with 2 bad fingers on his throwing hand.
Excuses don't win many games. Bomar is as mediocre a QB as OU has had in the last 20 years. Aikman was the last good one and he left.

PastorMikH
12-29-2005, 10:00 PM
OK, pull out the officiating excuse. OU has gone nothing but downhill since Blake's players left. Stoops flat can't evaluate talent. If we hire that idiot, I'm blaming YOU.



Skip, he just took a team primarily of Freshmen and Sophmores and beat the #6 team in the nation.


Besides, it's not like he's replacing a HC that excelled at evaluating talent.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 10:02 PM
Aaaaaand now they demean their upset victory by chanting "OVERRATED!" at a team missing its starting quarterback.

I thought the same thing when I head Utah doing it to GT

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 10:03 PM
so back to my question...why would stoops make a good NFl coach?

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 10:05 PM
I thought the same thing when I head Utah doing it to GTWorst chant in sports, bar none.

Logical
12-29-2005, 10:08 PM
Skip, he just took a team primarily of Freshmen and Sophmores and beat the #6 team in the nation.


Besides, it's not like he's replacing a HC that excelled at evaluating talent.Wow that is not the least bit reassuring Mike.

WilliamTheIrish
12-29-2005, 10:11 PM
Worst chant in sports, bar none.

I've never understood why folks take this chant so seriously. It means nothing. And it takes nothing away from the victory.

The scoreboard remains unchanged.

tk13
12-29-2005, 10:11 PM
so back to my question...why would stoops make a good NFl coach?
The biggest problem I have with him is a lack of NFL experience. If we were a 2-14 team that needed a total rebuild maybe I'd be more open to it, but we still have some veterans like Green and Roaf that I think want to stick around another couple years. I'm not sure I like the idea of him learning about the NFL on the job with this team.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2005, 10:20 PM
The biggest problem I have with him is a lack of NFL experience. If we were a 2-14 team that needed a total rebuild maybe I'd be more open to it, but we still have some veterans like Green and Roaf that I think want to stick around another couple years. I'm not sure I like the idea of him learning about the NFL on the job with this team.

I can't think of anybody good out there...the best choice is probably already on the staff.

tk13
12-29-2005, 10:23 PM
I can't think of anybody good out there...the best choice is probably already on the staff.
Yeah, I'd just as soon keep DV. I think he's gonna be better than anybody we hire, but I'm in a very small minority in thinking that.

Ultra Peanut
12-29-2005, 10:24 PM
I've never understood why folks take this chant so seriously. It means nothing. And it takes nothing away from the victory.

The scoreboard remains unchanged.I don't take it seriously, it's just retarded.

How does saying the team you just knocked off -- who was supposedly very good -- wasn't really as good as others thought not taking a little bit away from it?

Claynus
12-29-2005, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I'd just as soon keep DV. I think he's gonna be better than anybody we hire, but I'm in a very small minority in thinking that.

You're delusional, my friend. One playoff appearance in five years...yeah, Vermeil is SO AWESOME!

If we had a decent coaching staff we would have made the playoffs in 2002 and in 2005.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 10:39 PM
The biggest problem I have with him is a lack of NFL experience.

I was thinking that, too. But I don't think that's a huge deal after seeing what Saban has done in Miami this year, with Gus Frerotte no less.

siberian khatru
12-29-2005, 10:53 PM
I was thinking that, too. But I don't think that's a huge deal after seeing what Saban has done in Miami this year, with Gus Frerotte no less.

Saban, however, had been an NFL assistant. Unlike Stoops.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 11:00 PM
Saban, however, had been an NFL assistant. Unlike Stoops.

My bad!

tk13
12-29-2005, 11:18 PM
You're delusional, my friend. One playoff appearance in five years...yeah, Vermeil is SO AWESOME!

If we had a decent coaching staff we would have made the playoffs in 2002 and in 2005.
I didn't say he was perfect. Nobody is. He's a good football coach though. But I have a way different philsophy on this stuff than everybody else on this board. Good football coaches are good football coaches. Mike Holmgren, Shanahan, Dick Vermeil, they're good football coaches. They've all made mistakes, but they've done enough in their career to justify trusting beyond crucifixion if they make a mistake. My opinion of him has not changed one bit.

I don't agree with 2002, that was really the first year he could start building this team because we had more dead money. We had like 20 million dollars in dead money after Carl and Gunther's stupidity, and that was with a smaller total cap number. DV actually got us over that hump. I don't see Jeff Fisher doing that in Tennessee, some coaches never would've gotten us over that hump until years down the road. But we took a backup QB, backup RB, backup C, converted FB at left guard, moved a LT to right tackle, traded for a LT that was considered over the hill, and signed a WR that everybody thought was a quitter, and built the best damn offense in the league. Find me another coach who did even half a good a job that didn't have a bunch of 1st round draft picks. This team was garbage when he took over... a lot of coaches wouldn't even had us in a position to compete until like 2004.

I'll get blasted for this, but because of that I'm not sure it's fair to say it was one playoff appearance in 5 years... 4 maybe. Really three, because 2003 was the first time we were able to address the defense financially as well as having our draft picks like Sims and Wesley and Fujita develop. People forget the massive, massive hole this franchise was in when he took over, after McGlockton, Dan Williams, Carlton Gray, etc, etc... just loads and loads of dead money. DV even said during that first year that if he realized how horrific a shape this franchise was in he may have reconsidered coming back. That said, we're about one play away from being a playoff team two of the last three years. Probably one play away from at least having an AFC championship-game team in his tenure. Frustrating. He rebuilt the team quickly, and he's going to leave us in good shape... better shape than Marty and Gun left us in. Good young players all over the field... LJ, Parker, Waters, Allen, Sims, Mitchell, DJ.

But in the end it wasn't meant to be. He has to take responsibility for that, as does Carl. It just pisses me off because Carl will get no blame for any of this. As much as I love DV I don't think any coach can do it on his own, and I don't think DV and Carl have seen eye to eye on a lot of decisions in recent years anyway. Starting with LJ, DV talked in his press conferences in 2004 about how Carl told him we're 'cashed out', he didn't seem happy with it, he wanted Grant Wistrom, complained after the season we have to get players to coach. We go do that and Gun gets guys for his system and goes and plays soft all of a sudden. Just frustrating. To me DV is the guy who's actually lifted us up through all the gunk and Carl's 17 years of failure and Gun's bass ackwardness to give our guys a fighting chance.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 11:29 PM
Mike Holmgren, Shanahan, Dick Vermeil, they're good football coaches.

Mike Shanahan: 8 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons

Mike Holmgren: 12 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons

Dick Vermeil: 7 winning seasons, 7 losing seasons

Dick is just another average coach. An average coach who bumbled his way into a Super Bowl in St. Louis.


(I threw out all the 8-8 records BTW)

alanm
12-29-2005, 11:37 PM
OK, pull out the officiating excuse. OU has gone nothing but downhill since Blake's players left. Stoops flat can't evaluate talent. If we hire that idiot, I'm blaming YOU.
And John Blake is working his magic for the Huskers now. :)

tk13
12-29-2005, 11:40 PM
Mike Shanahan: 8 winning seasons, 3 losing seasons

Mike Holmgren: 12 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons

Dick Vermeil: 7 winning seasons, 7 losing seasons

Dick is just another average coach. An average coach who bumbled his way into a Super Bowl in St. Louis.


(I threw out all the 8-8 records BTW)
Eh, looks good on the surface, pretty weak when you delve into it.

The teams DV took over were in horrible, horrible shape. The Eagles had basically two decades of losing before Vermeil took over, the Rams had about a whole decade of losing, and the Chiefs had 20 million dollars of dead money and our best players were Elvis Grbac and Derrick Alexander. Yeah. Shanahan took over a team with John freaking Elway. To even make a comparison is a total joke.

And Holmgren's a good coach, I don't know if DV is better than him or not. It's hard to say, because DV has had three short stints of rebuilding, Holmgren has had two long tenures with two teams. DV's numbers would be a LOT better than that if he didn't retire after the Rams championship year. They would've at least stuck with Marshall Faulk.

Although, I would say, neither Shanahan or Holmgren has a playoff win since 1998. DV has 3 in that time, and he actually sat out a year. And I'd sure love to see the Chiefs "bumble" into one of those Super Bowls, that's about the goofiest thing you've ever said.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 11:42 PM
Eh, looks good on the surface, pretty weak when you delve into it.


That's OK, you go ahead and make excuses for Dick. Just like all the fools making excuses for Gunther.

The bottom line is those coaches give their teams a chance almost EVERY year. Dick doesn't and he sure as shit hasn't in Kansas City.

alanm
12-29-2005, 11:43 PM
Excuses don't win many games. Bomar is as mediocre a QB as OU has had in the last 20 years. Aikman was the last good one and he left.
I dunno, Heuple and White weren't too shabby. Bomar is a lot more mobile than those 2 were. And he has a stronger arm. His mechanics are all f*cked up but he's still a redshirt freshman. He needs to work with a good QB coach. I'm just glad that we won't have to face him again unless he sticks around for his senior year.

tk13
12-29-2005, 11:47 PM
Dick hasn't given us a chance? Far as I can see, we're still one of the few not eliminated. Three of the last four years we've been in the running until the last week of the season, and last year we weren't eliminated until the 2nd to last week.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 11:48 PM
Dick hasn't given us a chance? Far as I can see, we're still one of the few not eliminated. Three of the last four years we've been in the running until the last week of the season, and last year we weren't eliminated until the 2nd to last week.

ROFL

One playoff game in five years.

tk13
12-29-2005, 11:52 PM
ROFL

One playoff game in five years.
Carl - No playoff wins in 12 years.

Claynus
12-29-2005, 11:55 PM
Carl - No playoff wins in 12 years.

They are both responsible.

tk13
12-30-2005, 12:00 AM
They are both responsible.
Way to go. You figured it out. That was my point. To have a Super Bowl franchise you have to click at every level. Hopefully Carl will get it going one day, because I think DV is the best coach Carl has ever had here, and we've failed. DV didn't forget how to coach, just like Joe Gibbs didn't, or Holmgren or Shanahan didn't through these droughts.

Logical
12-30-2005, 12:03 AM
Dick hasn't given us a chance? Far as I can see, we're still one of the few not eliminated. Three of the last four years we've been in the running until the last week of the season, and last year we weren't eliminated until the 2nd to last week.

Since I have to assume the fourth year is the year we finished in the playoffs, let me just mention.

7-9
8-8
6-10 (were we really not eliminated until the next to last week)

Sorry but that is not at all impressive.

Halfcan
12-30-2005, 12:07 AM
[QUOTE=tk13] People forget the massive, massive hole this franchise was in when he took over, after McGlockton, Dan Williams, Carlton Gray, etc, etc... just loads and loads of dead money.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Damm, TK awesome post dude. I have to agree, DV has been a great coach, community leader, ect ect. I am not mad at him personally, mostly Carl. That dead money you mentioned-freakin killed us. Dan Williams was like a 5 million dollar cattle prod, right up the franchise's ass. He put his uniform on once-all over a big toe injury-what a piece of shit fraud.

If DV goes-which I don't think he will, I want a young, aggressive, Defensive guru coach, that can draft talent, go over King Carls head on personel, and will use Gun as the mouthpiece and General of the Defense without the shackles. Let him draft one more year-pick his own staff-run the D his way. Plus we need to let a lot of guys go on that side of the ball, get a new attitude. Draft three more Allen/DJ type players in the secondary-that like to hit. Two corners and a hard hitting safety that Sammy can tutor. F#ck these receivers running across the middle on us-those days will be over.

We need to bring in a DT and DE free agent. Dump Bell and develop Boomer, he will be in his second year, knows the defense now, loves to hit, has speed, great tackler, lots of heart, and fan favorite.

We keep AL-As long as we are still ranked at the top every year-how can you bitch over a few stupid calls. We need to help him out by finally getting a Top five receiver. TO comes to mind-okay quit laughing. With a new coach-especially a young black coach, plus a big time deal-backloaded since he is a cancer, would bring him here. TO and TG=unstopable. Add a monster running game, great O-line, LJ and Preist. Oh and Dante, Eddie, Sammy, TRich, Dunn, Kris Wilson-haha. Teams wouldn't know what the F#CK was coming at them next.


Yes I said Black coach out of college-not pros-don't want Herm. It is ridicules all the names thrown out there are white. A black coach would keep LJ in line, could bitch slap TO without him playing the racist card. I don't follow college football like you guys do, but I bet there are some badass black coaches out there-that could be a diamond in the rough, but are over looked.

Plus we need to address special teams, is Gammons coming back or what? That snap in Dallas, will never make me doubt paying Gammons is worth it. A new special teams coach is an absolute must.

You do these things and Chiefs will win the next two Superbowls.

tk13
12-30-2005, 12:13 AM
Since I have to assume the fourth year is the year we finished in the playoffs, let me just mention.

7-9
8-8
6-10 (were we really not eliminated until the next to last week)

Sorry but that is not at all impressive.
Yeah but the NFL was different his first couple years. There were like 80 teams in the playoff race in 2002. Parity was a lot higher... like 13 teams were going for playoff spots into the final week or two. The Raiders got the #1 seed at 11-5. That'd barely get you in this year. We were right in the hunt. I did not say it was impressive, there really weren't any impressive teams that year, I said we had a chance...

tk13
12-30-2005, 12:25 AM
That 2002 year was fun as heck though... I wish the NFL would get back to that. I'm tired of all the 14-2, 15-1 stuff.

I wanted to make sure I wasn't talking out my behind, and went and found an article from Week 17 of the 2002 NFL season. This year the AFC playoff scenarios come down to us and Pittsburgh, and little hope of that. No excitement. This was 2002...


Playoff scenarios: What a tangled web we weave

December 24, 2002

With one week left in the 2002 season, the NFL's playoff pictures is as clear as mud. Here is a look at scenarios for division, conference and wild-card races as we turn toward Week 17.

AFC

EAST

MIAMI can clinch the division with a win or tie.

Miami can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win, Oakland loss, Tennessee loss, Pittsburgh loss and Miami wins strength of victory tiebreaker over Oakland and Tennessee.

NOTE: "Strength of victory" is the season-ending winning percentage of all the opponents a team has defeated.

Miami can clinch a first-round bye with a win, Pittsburgh loss and Oakland loss; OR a win, Pittsburgh loss and Tennessee loss; OR a win, Tennessee loss, Oakland loss and Miami wins strength of victory tiebreaker over Oakland and Tennessee.

Miami can clinch a playoff berth with a New York Jets loss or tie and Denver win; OR New York Jets loss or tie and Kansas City loss or tie.

NOTE: There are other scenarios in which Miami can clinch a playoff berth if it is determined that after this week's games they will own the strength of victory tiebreaker over the teams they are tied with.

NEW ENGLAND can clinch the division with a win and a New York Jets loss or tie.

New England can clinch a playoff berth with a win, Cleveland loss or tie, Denver loss or tie and Kansas City win; OR a win, Cleveland loss or tie, Denver loss or tie and San Diego loss or tie; OR a tie, New York Jets loss, Cleveland loss, Denver loss, San Diego loss and Kansas City loss or tie.

NEW YORK JETS can clinch the division with a win and a Miami loss.

The Jets can clinch a playoff spot with a win, Cleveland loss or tie and Denver win; OR a win, Cleveland loss or tie and Kansas City loss or tie; OR a tie, New England loss or tie, Cleveland loss, Denver loss or tie, Kansas City loss and San Diego loss or tie.



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NORTH

PITTSBURGH has clinched the division title.

Pittsburgh can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win and losses by Tennessee and Oakland.

Pittsburgh can clinch a first-round bye with a win and Tennessee loss; OR a win and Oakland loss.

CLEVELAND can clinch a playoff spot with a win, Denver win and New York Jets win; OR a win, Kansas City loss or tie and New York Jets win; OR a win, Denver win and Miami win or tie; OR a win, Kansas City loss or tie and Miami win or tie; OR a tie, New York Jets loss or tie, New England loss or tie, Denver loss or tie, San Diego loss or tie and Kansas City loss; OR a loss, New York Jets loss, Baltimore loss or tie, Denver loss, San Diego loss, and Kansas City loss. Note: There are other scenarios in which Cleveland can clinch a playoff berth if it is determined that after this week's games they will own the strength of victory tiebreaker over the teams they are tied with.

BALTIMORE can clinch a playoff berth with a win, New England loss, New York Jets loss, Cleveland loss, Denver loss, San Diego loss and Kansas City loss.



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SOUTH

TENNESSEE has clinched the division title.

Tennessee can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win and Oakland loss or tie; OR a tie and Oakland loss; OR a Pittsburgh loss, Miami win, Oakland loss, Tennessee wins on strength of victory tiebreaker over Miami and Oakland.

Tennessee can clinch a first-round bye with a win or tie; OR a Miami loss, a Pittsburgh loss; OR an Oakland loss, Miami win; and Tennessee wins strength of victory tiebreaker over Miami and Oakland.

INDIANAPOLIS can clinch a playoff spot with a win or tie; OR a New England loss or tie; OR New York Jets win, OR Cleveland loss or tie and KC loss or tie; OR Cleveland loss or tie and Denver win; OR two Pittsburgh losses and KC loss or tie.

Note: There are other scenarios in which Indianapolis can clinch a playoff berth if it is determined that after this week's games they will own the strength of victory tiebreaker over the teams they are tied with.



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WEST

OAKLAND has clinched the division title.

Oakland can clinch home-field advantage throughout the playoffs with a win; OR a tie and Tennessee loss or tie; OR a Pittsburgh loss, Tennessee loss and Miami loss; OR a Pittsburgh loss, Tennessee loss and Oakland wins strength of victory tiebreaker over Miami and Tennessee.

Oakland can clinch a first-round bye with a tie; OR a Miami loss or tie and a Pittsburgh loss; OR a Miami loss or tie and Tennessee loss; OR Tennessee loss and Oakland wins strength of victory tiebreaker over Miami and Tennessee.

DENVER can clinch a playoff berth with a win, Cleveland loss or tie, New England loss or tie, New York Jets loss or tie; OR a win, Cleveland loss or tie, Miami loss, New York Jets win; OR a tie, New England loss or tie, New York Jets loss, Cleveland loss, Kansas City loss or tie and San Diego loss or tie.

KANSAS CITY can clinch a playoff berth with a win, Denver loss or tie and New England loss or tie; OR a win, Denver loss or tie, Indianapolis win or tie and New York Jets loss or tie; OR a win, Denver loss or tie, Indianapolis loss, New York Jets win, Cleveland win; OR a tie, New England loss, New York Jets loss or tie, Cleveland loss or tie, Denver loss and San Diego loss or tie. Note: There are other scenarios in which Kansas City can clinch a playoff berth this week if it is determined that after this week's games they will own the strength of victory tiebreaker over the teams they are tied with.

SAN DIEGO can clinch a playoff berth with a win, Denver loss or tie, Kansas City loss or tie, New England loss or tie, New York Jets loss or tie and Cleveland loss or tie; OR win, Denver loss or tie, Kansas City loss or tie, Miami loss, New York Jets win and Cleveland loss or tie; OR a tie, Denver loss, Kansas City loss, New England, N.Y Jets loss and Cleveland loss.

ROFL Now those were the days.

Claynus
12-30-2005, 12:25 AM
Halfcan please stop! You are homering out of control!

DV is toast.

Rausch
12-30-2005, 12:28 AM
**** Stoops.

Congrats to any of the fans who've begged for a decent team for years. He's brought you some nice memories.

Bronze that bastard and keep him the **** away from my team...

Claynus
12-30-2005, 12:32 AM
**** Stoops.

Congrats to any of the fans who've begged for a decent team for years. He's brought you some nice memories.

Bronze that bastard and keep him the **** away from my team...

OK...what's wrong with stoops? I admit I am ignorant, but he seems the complete opposite of DV.

Logical
12-30-2005, 12:42 AM
**** Stoops.

Congrats to any of the fans who've begged for a decent team for years. He's brought you some nice memories.

Bronze that bastard and keep him the **** away from my team...I would applaud you but since you have lobbied for the return of satan (Gun) as HC I just cannot.

huskerdooz
12-30-2005, 12:56 AM
Maybe so and how the hell did THAT happen? I read an article that pointed out that the conference had only ONE favorite, KU. BTW, William, what year was it the Big 8 finished 1, 2, 3 nationally? Oklahoma, Nebraska and Colorado?

I believe it was 1971, and it was actually 1)Nebraska, 2)Oklahoma, and 3)Colorado.

Coach
12-30-2005, 01:05 AM
1971

Nebraska 13-0
Oklahoma 11-1
Colorado 10-2

Coach
12-30-2005, 01:09 AM
Big 8 rival Colorado, whose only two losses had been to Nebraska and Oklahoma, finished third in the polls, the first time one conference had held the top three spots in the final voting.

http://ww3.sportsline.com/ns/ce/feature/0,1511,2940173,00.html

Last paragraph on the article.

Tribal Warfare
12-30-2005, 01:27 AM
I would applaud you but since you have lobbied for the return of satan (Gun) as HC I just cannot.


Satan is the GM/CEO/President of this organization, and Gun is just one of his pawns.

Logical
12-30-2005, 01:30 AM
Satan is the GM/CEO/President of this organization, and Gun is just one of his pawns.That is a real good point.

ChiefsFanatik88
12-30-2005, 06:23 AM
TO comes to mind-okay quit laughing. With a new coach-especially a young black coach, plus a big time deal-backloaded since he is a cancer, would bring him here. TO and TG=unstopable. Add a monster running game, great O-line, LJ and Preist. Oh and Dante, Eddie, Sammy, TRich, Dunn, Kris Wilson-haha. Teams wouldn't know what the F#CK was coming at them next.
Yes I said Black coach out of college-not pros-don't want Herm. It is ridicules all the names thrown out there are white. A black coach would keep LJ in line, could bitch slap TO without him playing the racist card. I don't follow college football like you guys do, but I bet there are some badass black coaches out there-that could be a diamond in the rough, but are over looked.

Ok, Put down the pipe. No way in hell TO would be a Chief. He has no business being here in KC, he has the talent but his mouth is bigger than his skills as a receiver.
A Black coach will be better for LJ and TO? I didn't know LJ had a problem with a White coach and a White General Manager and a White owner? When did this happen?
Hell maybe Lamar needs to get rid of CP and DV, sell the team to a black guy who will hire a black general manager and a black coach, you think that will really improve the Chiefs on the Field? I don't think so

htismaqe
12-30-2005, 07:25 AM
We aren't hiring a black coach out of college.

Why?

Because there aren't any.

There's 118 college teams, and I believe only 4 black head coaches. Maybe 5.

htismaqe
12-30-2005, 07:30 AM
I just read the rest of this thread.

ROFL

Skip evidently hasn't watched any college football since the 70's...