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Guru
01-02-2006, 03:17 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/13531776.htm

Sans Peterson’s resignation, the ideal scenario for the Chiefs would be for Herm Edwards to pop loose from the Jets. Herm could retain Gunther Cunningham as defensive coordinator and promote offensive-line coach Mike Solari to offensive coordinator (figuring Saunders will land a head-coaching position somewhere).

Let the Edwards affair begin.

Deberg_1990
01-02-2006, 03:26 AM
Wow good column for once from fatty....I liked this little nugget the most:

"But Vermeil, Dalton and Brian Waters tagged the 14-3 loss at Buffalo as the most inexcusable. The Bills finished the season 5-11 and going into that week-10 game had one of the league’s worst run defenses.
“We had no business losing that game in Buffalo,” Vermeil said.

He added that he could explain what caused the loss and the embarrassing offensive performance, but he said it would be a waste of time. Waters said the loss was caused by “disorganization” about what kind of team the Chiefs wanted to be offensively in the wake of Priest Holmes’ season-ending injury and Willie Roaf’s absence (pulled hamstring).

“There was a little disagreement among some of the coaches, and that led to some of the frustration you saw in that game and on the sideline,” Waters said.

The Chiefs were not committed to their Larry Johnson-led running game. It was his second week as a starter. Before Buffalo, Johnson had a nice game against the Raiders, carrying the ball 22 times for 107 yards. Against the Bills, Johnson finished with 132 yards in 27 carries, but only 11 of the carries and 32 yards came after halftime. More than that, the Chiefs turned to their passing game in most critical situations and in the red zone"

|Zach|
01-02-2006, 03:30 AM
Wow good column for once from fatty....I liked this little nugget the most:
Chiefs Planet never lets me down.

Deberg_1990
01-02-2006, 03:33 AM
Chiefs Planet never lets me down.



Id hate to dissappoint you Zach. I just got tired of his constant LJ character bashing. It was stupid and held no merit.

tk13
01-02-2006, 03:55 AM
Yeah, I don't know what to think about those Buffalo comments. I have a hard time saying you didn't run enough when you run it 27 times with your feature back. 11 carries in a half is not a small number.

I mean, it's obvious we did run it more, and we could run it more... but how far can we push LJ over a whole season? I think that's going to be an interesting question heading into next season.

I honestly don't know the answer to that. Can we give him 35 touches a game over the course of a season? The NFL record for carries is 410, only 4 times has someone broken 400. Is LJ really that inhuman? Can we give him 500 touches? I'm not being sarcastic at all... these are the type of numbers he'd put up in 16 games if we use him like we did in the 2nd half. I don't know.

I like the idea of giving your best player the ball, but nobody in the NFL has ever carried a load like that before. Even Jim Brown, considered maybe the most punishing runner ever, he broke 300 carries in a season just once. Actually, LJ had more carries this year than Priest Holmes has ever had in a season, even when he started all 16 games.

Deberg_1990
01-02-2006, 04:01 AM
Yeah, I don't know what to think about those Buffalo comments. I have a hard time saying you didn't run enough when you run it 27 times with your feature back. 11 carries in a half is not a small number.

I mean, it's obvious we did run it more, and we could run it more... but how far can we push LJ over a whole season? I think that's going to be an interesting question heading into next season.

I honestly don't know the answer to that. Can we give him 35 touches a game over the course of a season? The NFL record for carries is 410, only 4 times has someone broken 400. Is LJ really that inhuman? Can we give him 500 touches? I'm not being sarcastic at all... I don't know. I like the idea of giving your best player the ball, but nobody in the NFL has ever carried a load like that before. I mean that's what people want him to do if 11 carries in a half is considered not enough. Even Jim Brown, considered maybe the most punishing runner ever, he broke 300 carries in a season just once.

Its simple. The Chiefs are going to have to go out and find a proven NFL running back as a backup to LJ. This is why i pray that Priest will return but i have little faith in that. I wonder who will be out there as a low cost free agent RB if Priest decides to retire?

IM actually thinking someone like Rickey Williams would be nice, but hes been pretty impressive in Miami lately so they will probably keep him.

Count Alex's Losses
01-02-2006, 04:15 AM
Dee Brown, baby!

HemiEd
01-02-2006, 04:31 AM
Dee Brown, baby!

He looked pretty good yesterday and if given time might be the answer.

stumppy
01-02-2006, 04:52 AM
Its simple. The Chiefs are going to have to go out and find a proven NFL running back as a backup to LJ.


Or maybe a legitimate #1 wide receiver. That would relieve LJ of having to be the man, every game, for the entire game.

Count Alex's Losses
01-02-2006, 04:54 AM
Let's not get carried away. We DID throw for 4,000 yards this year.

We need a DEFENSE.

Otter
01-02-2006, 05:41 AM
Chiefs Planet never lets me down.

It's almost as predicable as you pointing it out every time is it not?

See the irony? I didn't think so.

htismaqe
01-02-2006, 07:03 AM
Wow good column for once from fatty....I liked this little nugget the most:

"But Vermeil, Dalton and Brian Waters tagged the 14-3 loss at Buffalo as the most inexcusable. The Bills finished the season 5-11 and going into that week-10 game had one of the league’s worst run defenses.
“We had no business losing that game in Buffalo,” Vermeil said.

He added that he could explain what caused the loss and the embarrassing offensive performance, but he said it would be a waste of time. Waters said the loss was caused by “disorganization” about what kind of team the Chiefs wanted to be offensively in the wake of Priest Holmes’ season-ending injury and Willie Roaf’s absence (pulled hamstring).

“There was a little disagreement among some of the coaches, and that led to some of the frustration you saw in that game and on the sideline,” Waters said.

The Chiefs were not committed to their Larry Johnson-led running game. It was his second week as a starter. Before Buffalo, Johnson had a nice game against the Raiders, carrying the ball 22 times for 107 yards. Against the Bills, Johnson finished with 132 yards in 27 carries, but only 11 of the carries and 32 yards came after halftime. More than that, the Chiefs turned to their passing game in most critical situations and in the red zone"

Wow.

That sounds like an indictment of Al Saunders.

Kabals
01-02-2006, 09:42 AM
He looked pretty good yesterday and if given time might be the answer.

I really hope this is sarcasm.

siberian khatru
01-02-2006, 09:47 AM
Yeah, I don't know what to think about those Buffalo comments. I have a hard time saying you didn't run enough when you run it 27 times with your feature back. 11 carries in a half is not a small number.

I mean, it's obvious we did run it more, and we could run it more... but how far can we push LJ over a whole season? I think that's going to be an interesting question heading into next season.

I honestly don't know the answer to that. Can we give him 35 touches a game over the course of a season? The NFL record for carries is 410, only 4 times has someone broken 400. Is LJ really that inhuman? Can we give him 500 touches? I'm not being sarcastic at all... these are the type of numbers he'd put up in 16 games if we use him like we did in the 2nd half. I don't know.

I like the idea of giving your best player the ball, but nobody in the NFL has ever carried a load like that before. Even Jim Brown, considered maybe the most punishing runner ever, he broke 300 carries in a season just once. Actually, LJ had more carries this year than Priest Holmes has ever had in a season, even when he started all 16 games.


You're right about LJ getting too many carries in a season. He's headed for Earl Campbell territory. We need a reliable backup who can take 5-10 touches and keep LJ healthy.

However, that's not what this Whitlock column's about. It's not the aggregate Whitlock was talking about, but WHEN those carries came. In Buffalo, Saunders stopped giving LJ the ball in the red zone and went to the pass, on a day when our LT situation made passing extremely hazardous. And it's not Whitlock speculating -- he's got Waters on record saying the coaches were disagreeing about what to do. My guess is, Solari wanted to run and Saunders wanted to pass.

|Zach|
01-02-2006, 10:08 AM
It's almost as predicable as you pointing it out every time is it not?

See the irony? I didn't think so.
Oh I fully admit I say it every time....

I enjoy pointing out the 12th "I can't believe I am agreeing with Whitlock for once on this one" comment people make.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-02-2006, 10:18 AM
I can't believe I'm agreeing with myself, just say NO to Edwards. If we wanted a Marty retread just wait a week and hire MS back.

headsnap
01-02-2006, 10:23 AM
Chiefs Planet never lets me down.

thank you, this place is much better with you around.


I can only hope to be half as perfect as you are. :rolleyes:

cdcox
01-02-2006, 10:40 AM
Give Johnson another 10 or so carries (in the red zone against the Bill and at 1st and Goal at the end of the half against the Cowboys) and we are probably 12-4. I doubt that would have killed him.

But we definitely need a viable #2 back next year.

|Zach|
01-02-2006, 10:47 AM
thank you, this place is much better with you around.


I can only hope to be half as perfect as you are. :rolleyes:
I am wrong all th time...i dont pretend to be perfect. Take your straw man argument elsewhere...

headsnap
01-02-2006, 11:11 AM
I am wrong all th time...i dont pretend to be perfect. Take your straw man argument elsewhere...

It is entirely my right to be an ass pointing out you being an ass pointing someone else being an ass!

KChiefs1
01-02-2006, 11:19 AM
“There was a little disagreement among some of the coaches, and that led to some of the frustration you saw in that game and on the sideline,” Waters said.

Al Saunders being cute again?:banghead:

Johnson&Johnson
01-02-2006, 11:30 AM
He looked pretty good yesterday and if given time might be the answer.


Samkon Gado!

Oh wait. Chiefs left him without a contract so he could go flourish in Packerland. :mad: