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Ralphy Boy
01-02-2006, 09:48 AM
We've all come to the conclusion that Carl will simply look elsewhere, but what if he does hire the guy?

Would Saunders keep Gun? What is their relationship like? I know Saunders left KC when Gun became the head coach and I assumed it was just because he didn't get the gig which he also interviewed for, but do they just not like each other? If there was ill will from back in 99, wouldn't that be negated by Saunders becoming the head coach?

Will Saunders have loyalties to any of the defensive coaches that Gun doesn't?

We've always been told that Carl lets his coaches hire their own staff, but we know he made DV hire Gun back as DC.

Saunders just seems to me like the most logical choice and Carl has shown before that he likes to hire guys that he knows in order to not rock the boat too much, like he did with Gun taking over for Marty.

He has invested a ton of money in our offense over the last few years and it would be wise of him to continue the same offensive philosophy. From a business standpoint, and don't kid yourself Carl is all about business, sticking with the system we have in place is vital to our success.

I personally think Saunders is a shoe in for HC job somewhere, but if he doesn't get one, would he stay on here?

Is the situation with LJ a big factor in keeping Saunders? Did Gun make it a prerequisite that he wouldn't coach under Saunders if he did come back?

If he goes, we have to hope that somebody can pick up right where he left off with our playcalling & I don't see Shea as being that guy, not when he sucked so bad in Chicago.

Hoover
01-02-2006, 09:50 AM
I'd take Al, I just think long term it would be better to bring in a new coaching staff.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-02-2006, 09:50 AM
I have about as much faith in Carl hiring Saunders as I do Arrowheadlouder replacing Gretz.

ROYC75
01-02-2006, 09:50 AM
CP and AS are not close..... bad blood.

FringeNC
01-02-2006, 09:52 AM
I'd love to have Al as HC. Just hope CP wouldn't try to force Gun does his throat.

Frazod
01-02-2006, 10:10 AM
I'd much rather have Saunders as HC than I would have Carl as GM. God I wish Carl would go away.

:cuss:

hawkchief
01-02-2006, 10:22 AM
Jeez, how could someone not like a super guy like CP? I suppose that Al doesn't diss CP's ring often enough for Carl's liking.

Chiefnj
01-02-2006, 10:27 AM
At this point Saunders is my favorite candidate. In a way, I like the fact that he and Carl aren't supposedly buddy-buddy. There is accountability for both of them. Second, and more important, I think there is a better chance that guys like Roaf, Green and maybe even Shields stick around for one more year.

Chan93lx50
01-02-2006, 10:28 AM
With as many head coaching vaccancies that are going to be in the NFL, I have NO faith Carl will be able to get a decent replacement for Vermeil.

With that bring in Saunders, give him 2 years, then go coach hunting when the market will not be as competitive.

Deberg_1990
01-02-2006, 10:30 AM
I'd take Al, I just think long term it would be better to bring in a new coaching staff.

I agree....its time for some "Fresh Blood" around Arrowhead. Saunders is a fine coach but id prefer some new ideas, new attitudes, etc.....

hawkchief
01-02-2006, 10:51 AM
DEberg,

I agree, we need some new ideas/attitudes, and it should start at the top with Peterson.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-02-2006, 11:05 AM
The only scenario I would be happy with Al leaving is if Carl follows suit.

milkman
01-02-2006, 11:36 AM
CP and AS are not close..... bad blood.

I keep reading this, but have never seen anything to back it up.

I would think that Al would be bitter towards Carl when he passed him up in favor of Gun, but wouldn't think that he holds any animosity for Gun as a result.

These two, Al and Gun, go as far back together as the Air Coryell days when they both worked on his staff in SD.

Gun was still on that coaching staff when Al was promoted to HC.

My only concern in regards to Al's candidacy as the Chiefs next HC is that he will retain Gun as DC.

I'd be OK with the prospect of Al as the next HC if he were to bring in a new defensive staff.

Mr. Laz
01-02-2006, 11:48 AM
I keep reading this, but have never seen anything to back it up.
you haven't seen proof because neither Carl nor Al is gonna come out and just say "i don't like him"


but there have been hints and rumors for most of Al's time here.


Al is vocal ... Carl likes "yes" men

Al and Dick didn't particularly want larry Johnson ... carl's pick

Al isn't republican(and still vocal) and didn't play along with the George Bush training camp visit ...... Dick,Carl,lamar are all staunchly republican.

milkman
01-02-2006, 11:51 AM
you haven't seen proof because neither Carl nor Al is gonna come out and just say "i don't like him"


but there have been hints and rumors for most of Al's time here.


Al is vocal ... Carl likes "yes" men

Al and Dick didn't particularly want larry Johnson ... carl's pick

Al isn't republican(and still vocal) and didn't play along with the George Bush training camp visit ...... Dick,Carl,lamar are all staunchly republican.

Oh shit.

I read Roy's as "Gun and Al"! :banghead:

So disregard my post.

I'm familiar with Carl and Al's history.

Frazod
01-02-2006, 11:52 AM
you haven't seen proof because neither Carl nor Al is gonna come out and just say "i don't like him"


but there have been hints and rumors for most of Al's time here.


Al is vocal ... Carl likes "yes" men

Al and Dick didn't particularly want larry Johnson ... carl's pick

Al isn't republican(and still vocal) and didn't play along with the George Bush training camp visit ...... Dick,Carl,lamar are all staunchly republican.

Well, being a republican is a very important qualification for a HC.... :rolleyes:

Mr. Laz
01-02-2006, 11:57 AM
Well, being a republican is a very important qualification for a HC.... :rolleyes:
i agree ... keep the politics out of the office, nothing good can come from it.


but apparently the bad political blood festers like a huge DC forum between Carl and Al ..... and it ain't going away soon.


hopefully they can sit down and agree to disagree and get beyond it.

Skip Towne
01-02-2006, 11:59 AM
AS is looking better and better as the HC's continue to fall. We might even be able to find a decent DC.

Frazod
01-02-2006, 12:00 PM
i agree ... keep the politics out of the office, nothing good can come from it.

but apparently the bad political blood festers like a huge DC forum between Carl and Al ..... and it ain't going away soon.

hopefully they can sit down and agree to disagree and get beyond it.

I doubt it. Carl and his Giant Ego will probably send Al packing.

DTLB58
01-02-2006, 12:01 PM
AS is looking better and better as the HC's continue to fall. We might even be able to find a decent DC.

Well then, How about Dom Capers as new D coordinator? He was a hot coach with that 3-4 Zone blitz system in the 90's.

DTLB58
01-02-2006, 12:03 PM
you haven't seen proof because neither Carl nor Al is gonna come out and just say "i don't like him"


but there have been hints and rumors for most of Al's time here.


Al is vocal ... Carl likes "yes" men

Al and Dick didn't particularly want larry Johnson ... carl's pick

Al isn't republican(and still vocal) and didn't play along with the George Bush training camp visit ...... Dick,Carl,lamar are all staunchly republican.

How could AS not want LJ NOW! :shake:

ceebz
01-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Because I want to see more passing on 1st and goal.

Mr. Laz
01-02-2006, 12:15 PM
How could AS not want LJ NOW! :shake:
his "want" is irrelevant now ... it's a non-factor.


saunders has used the crap outa LJ in the last 9 games

SBK
01-02-2006, 12:22 PM
Dick,Carl,lamar are all staunchly republican.

Of course they are, they're rich, white, greedy, evil type guys. Plus they have jobs.

ChiefsCountry
01-02-2006, 12:22 PM
I would think that Al would be bitter towards Carl when he passed him up in favor of Gun, but wouldn't think that he holds any animosity for Gun as a result.


Al was on the Rams staff then.

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 12:28 PM
Gee whiz, guys! Cheer up! This is a 10-6 team with the top O and a drastically improving D. I think as Ralphy Boy points out that continuity is key, and AS = continuity. The WORST thing that could happen is what happened back in 2001 when DV gutted a pretty good team to remake it in the image of his champion Rams - a bad idea that did not work. I hope both Saunders and Gunther stay. If we get Saunders without Gun, I doubt we will see the post season next year and we will squander a talented but aging offense. And Gun has this defense believing in themselves. Its a young, hungry D and I think the way they pounded the Bengals bodes well for 2006.

mlyonsd
01-02-2006, 12:31 PM
The only way I see Saunders staying a Chief is if he is offered the HC spot.

milkman
01-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Al was on the Rams staff then.

If you are saying that Al was on the Rams staff when Gun got the HC job, That is wrong.

Al was still the Chiefs WR coach, and was interveiwed for the job along with Gun.

He went to the Rams after he was passed over in favor of Gun.

Mr. Laz
01-02-2006, 12:32 PM
Of course they are, they're rich, white, greedy, evil type guys. Plus they have jobs.
oh just **** yourself with a big stick and go back to DC ...


this isn't about politics ... it's about the head coaching job for the chiefs.

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Where are all the Rams wannabees who should be clamoring for Mike Martz - he's available. There sure were a lot of them out here in 2001...

Brock
01-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Where are all the Rams wannabees who should be clamoring for Mike Martz - he's available. There sure were a lot of them out here in 2001...

Moron.

Ralphy Boy
01-02-2006, 04:47 PM
I'm just saying its gonna suck ass when we are left with choosing between Dom Capers, Jim Haslett, Mike Tice or Gunther.

kcfanintitanhell
01-02-2006, 04:57 PM
I am in complete agreement with those on the continuity bandwagon. There are several key offensive players (Shields, Richardson) who may be more inclined to stay around if the changes on the O side are minimal.
With AS as HC for the next couple years, at least, the scheme wouldn't be radically changed. I also think T-Rich has become an emotional anchor for LJ and to change that chemistry would be a detriment.
I'm more and more inclined to giving Al the gig.

htismaqe
01-02-2006, 05:00 PM
The vulture is back, feeding on misery again in 2006.

craneref
01-02-2006, 05:17 PM
I would have no problem with Saunders as Head Coach, keep Gun as DC and Asst Head Coach, then let them have a friendly competition on which side of the ball ranks higher in the league after each game. I am not sure Gun would go for this, but not sure if he wants a HC position again right now. Saunders could become the next Coryell and that would be great, you can't win games without scoring points, now the "D" seems to be coming around, I say why mess with the path the CHIEFS are heading GO CHIEFS

Halfcan
01-02-2006, 09:05 PM
New staff all the way I think.