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1adam1238
01-02-2006, 12:38 PM
According to NFL.com.......1st in offense and 25th in defense

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 12:41 PM
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :p
Big improvement on D! Up 7 slots!!!!
Seriously, this D is getting better. Either that or the teams ranked 26-32 are REAL BAD.

alpha_omega
01-02-2006, 12:47 PM
1st in offense and nothing to show. Terrible!

phxchief
01-02-2006, 12:48 PM
**** yards.

Points, we're middle of the pack defensively.

Tribal Warfare
01-02-2006, 12:51 PM
**** yards.

Points, we're middle of the pack defensively.

15th overall defense is mediocre, but 25th is discustingly horrible.

phxchief
01-02-2006, 12:53 PM
15th overall defense is mediocre, but 25th is discustingly horrible.

Correct.

15th was supposed to be good enough for KC, given the offense. People forget that.

Clearly, it wasn't good enough, considering the offense was once again dominant.

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Makes you wonder what our fortunes might have been with the #1 D and the #25 O. Hmmmmmm.

Or (imagine this) balance.

Rausch
01-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Makes you wonder what our fortunes might have been with the #1 D and the #25 O. Hmmmmmm.

Or (imagine this) balance.

Well, we have gotten better every year since Gun arrived. The problem is it isn't fast enough for most people.

And it probably won't be fast enough for guys like Shields and Roaf...

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Well, we have gotten better every year since Gun arrived. The problem is it isn't fast enough for most people.

And it probably won't be fast enough for guys like Shields and Roaf...

That's why i think a one year extension for DV made sense. Too late now. Shields, Roaf, Richardson, Kennison, and Green won't last forever. But with LJ they can go at least one more year. I like what Derrick Johnson brings to this D. This D has afuture, i just hope they keep the staff they have and not gut it all.

Tribal Warfare
01-02-2006, 01:06 PM
That's why i think a one year extension for DV made sense. Too late now. Shields, Roaf, Richardson, Kennison, and Green won't last forever. But with LJ they can go at least one more year. I like what Derrick Johnson brings to this D. This D has afuture, i just hope they keep the staff they have and not gut it all.

Keep the offensive staff, and completely dump the defensive coaching staff.

The offense had leaps and bounds of success with the offensive change. Unlike the defense which has stayed at the lower tier of the NFL in overall defense.

DTLB58
01-02-2006, 01:11 PM
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :p
Big improvement on D! Up 7 slots!!!!
Seriously, this D is getting better. Either that or the teams ranked 26-32 are REAL BAD.

You are an idiot. GO AWAY!

ROYC75
01-02-2006, 01:35 PM
Gun says it takes most LB's 3 years to understand his scheme, I would say it will take around 3 years for the whole team D to come together too.

dj56dt58
01-02-2006, 01:35 PM
I don't understand it. With our offense, a middle of the pack D was supposed to get us to the SB. We had the #1 offense yet again, and a middle of the pack D(scoring is what counts, not yards). And we fail to make the playoffs? :banghead:

beer bacon
01-02-2006, 01:38 PM
It should read 6th in offense and 16th in defense.

Frankie
01-02-2006, 01:39 PM
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :p
Big improvement on D! Up 7 slots!!!!
Seriously, this D is getting better. Either that or the teams ranked 26-32 are REAL BAD.
The 'D' is getting better and next year it won't be by just 7 slots. I think these improvements, when started, pick up speed fast. I'll stick my neck out and predict that if Al Saunders is hired as HC and Gun is given better coaches and a few more players, this 'D' will be around #15 or better next year. With our 'O' intact and Al tying up the lose ends in the discipline department happy days will be here again.

jidar
01-02-2006, 01:42 PM
I think the improvement was more than just going from 32 up 7 slots. The D was so bad with GR it was worse than 32 by a long shot. I honestly believe it was one of the worst defenses of all time. Didn't they set an NFL record for most yards given up per carry?

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 01:44 PM
I think the improvement was more than just going from 32 up 7 slots. The D was so bad with GR it was worse than 32 by a long shot. I honestly believe it was one of the worst defenses of all time. Didn't they set an NFL record for most yards given up per carry?

I think they were on the cusp of being all-time worst defense but were saved (total yards allowed). That is bad if you have a lousy offense; it is downright mystifying when you have the NFL's most potent offense.

FringeNC
01-02-2006, 01:47 PM
D was #28 in yards per play. They weren't nearly as many plays run against them as other teams because of our #1 offense.

beer bacon
01-02-2006, 01:47 PM
Chiefs gave up 20.3 ppg this year, 16th in the NFL.

In 2004 we gave up 27.2 ppg, 29th in the NFL.

I think a touchdown difference over the course of one season is pretty good.

Rain Man
01-02-2006, 01:48 PM
I think they were on the cusp of being all-time worst defense but were saved (total yards allowed). That is bad if you have a lousy offense; it is downright mystifying when you have the NFL's most potent offense.

Yeah. With an average offense, I think Robinson's D would have been the first team in league history to yield 1,000 points.


There were times when I swear I saw Chiefs defenders pulling the running backs forward.

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah. With an average offense, I think Robinson's D would have been the first team in league history to yield 1,000 points.


There were times when I swear I saw Chiefs defenders pulling the running backs forward.

ROFL That's funny!

kcfanXIII
01-02-2006, 01:49 PM
I don't understand it. With our offense, a middle of the pack D was supposed to get us to the SB. We had the #1 offense yet again, and a middle of the pack D(scoring is what counts, not yards). And we fail to make the playoffs? :banghead:
the problem other than us losing to phi, dal and buf, was how good the afc is. 10 wins should get you to the playofffs prob 8 out of 10 years. i think we need a coach with more balance in his philosophy. i'm all for a coach o\loving his players, but there was too much love coming from dick, and not enough disipline.

Frankie
01-02-2006, 01:50 PM
I think the improvement was more than just going from 32 up 7 slots. The D was so bad with GR it was worse than 32 by a long shot. I honestly believe it was one of the worst defenses of all time. Didn't they set an NFL record for most yards given up per carry?
ROFL We were #42 in a 32 team league. You know your assessment is probably true. I hadn't thought of that. Rep.

KCJohnny
01-02-2006, 01:52 PM
ROFL We were #42 in a 32 team league. You know your assessment is probably true. I hadn't thought of that. Rep.

Wasn't that the year we had a shut out? Like 49-0 or something over the Lambs? And another game where KC allowed only single digits? And STILL ended up being a near all-time worst _efense?

Rain Man
01-02-2006, 02:04 PM
Wasn't that the year we had a shut out? Like 49-0 or something over the Lambs? And another game where KC allowed only single digits? And STILL ended up being a near all-time worst _efense?

In 2002, they beat the Cardinals by a score something like that. Obviously, Greg Robinson still hadn't completely installed his system at that point.

It looks like he's ahead of schedule at Syracuse. It only took him two games to install his system.

http://syracuse.rivals.com/schedule.asp?team=SYRACUSE



Date Opponent* Result Record The Line
Sept. 4, 2005 West Virginia (ABC) L 15-7 0-1 (0-1) -2
Sept. 10, 2005 Buffalo W 31-0 1-1 -24
Sept. 17, 2005 Virginia (ESPN) L 27-24 1-2 +7.5
Oct. 1, 2005 at Florida State L 38-14 1-3 +21
Oct. 7, 2005 at Connecticut (ESPN2) L 26-7 1-4 (0-2) +5.5
Oct. 15, 2005 Rutgers (ESPN+) L 31-9 1-5 (0-3) -2
Oct. 22, 2005 at Pittsburgh L 34-17 1-6 (0-4) +12.5
Oct. 29, 2005 Cincinnati L 22-16 1-7 (0-5) -5
Nov. 12, 2005 South Florida L 27-0 1-8 (0-6) +7.5
Nov. 19, 2005 at Notre Dame (NBC) L 34-10 1-9 +33.5
Nov. 26, 2005 at Louisville L 41-17 1-10 (0-7) +35.5

Average margin of loss: 13 points. If you exclude the win, it rises to 17 points.

Frankie
01-02-2006, 02:13 PM
In 2002, they beat the Cardinals by a score something like that. Obviously, Greg Robinson still hadn't completely installed his system at that point.
ROFL Just like Gun's improvement of the offense is a work in progress, GRob's ruination of it was a work in progress.

tk13
01-02-2006, 02:13 PM
We have finished #1 in either scoring or yardage offense now for 4 straight years.

That is a really, really impressive feat. I'm not sure how many teams have pulled that off, but not many. Coryell's offenses never did that, neither did any of Bill Walsh's, Gibb's, Martz, etc.

Seifert's mid-90's Niner teams with Young/Watters/Rice are the only other team to accomplish that I think...

Tribal Warfare
01-02-2006, 02:17 PM
Chiefs gave up 20.3 ppg this year, 16th in the NFL.

In 2004 we gave up 27.2 ppg, 29th in the NFL.

I think a touchdown difference over the course of one season is pretty good.

playing at home they were great

On the road the defense played like a JV high school team