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ceebz
01-03-2006, 12:20 AM
Didn't see this posted. I thought it was pretty Interesting...



Chiefs not wasting time
posted: Monday, January 2, 2006

The Chiefs appear to be the most active during the first wave of Black Monday coaching interview calls. They made contact with Chargers offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, and Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Fassel. They will have to wait until next week to talk to Williams because the Redskins are playing on Saturday. Chiefs offensive coordinator Al Saunders is going to get an interview and is expected to finish in the final three. There is still the possibility team president Carl Peterson might go after Herman Edwards -- the Chiefs reportedly plan to contact the Jets for permission to speak with Edwards -- but, because of tampering rules, Edwards might have to work out a trade compensation arrangement with the Jets if he were to accept a Kansas City offer.

FringeNC
01-03-2006, 12:24 AM
Williams and Cameron were the two guys Gretz thought were at the top of the list, too.

Who knows what to make of the Herm Edwards thing. It could be Herm spinning to get a raise and/or extension. He is one of the lowest paid coaches I think.

Stinger
01-03-2006, 12:25 AM
For some reason I see Fassel ending up in Oakland.

Rausch
01-03-2006, 12:25 AM
**** Clayton...

milkman
01-03-2006, 12:29 AM
For some reason I see Fassel ending up in Oakland.

Someone else raised the possibility of Martz to Oakland, and that seems more like a Davis move to me.

Reaper16
01-03-2006, 12:34 AM
Someone else raised the possibility of Martz to Oakland, and that seems more like a Davis move to me.
Jeebus.... Moss/Porter/Gabirel/Curry... it's enough to make Martz' heart stop. :)

tk13
01-03-2006, 12:35 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.

ceebz
01-03-2006, 12:36 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.


*Looks at Antonio Gates' numbers, compares them to Gonzo's*

FringeNC
01-03-2006, 12:37 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.

Yeah...seems to indicate that there is truth to the rumors that there is a conflict between Carl and Al.

milkman
01-03-2006, 12:39 AM
Jeebus.... Moss/Porter/Gabirel/Curry... it's enough to make Martz' heart stop. :)

ROFL

tk13
01-03-2006, 12:43 AM
*Looks at Antonio Gates' numbers, compares them to Gonzo's*
I'd sure hope we don't hire a coach simply because of that. Gonzo faces more double and triple teams and bumps than anybody in the league, and when we get down in the red zone everybody is on top of him.

I mean really, the difference in the stats is that Gonzo had to block more early in the year due to our protection problems... and Gates got to face our defense twice a year. He ran wild on us the first time we met.

greg63
01-03-2006, 12:44 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.

Agreed; I'd like to see Saunders as HC just to keep the offense intact and continue to build the "D".

Logical
01-03-2006, 12:46 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.It is of course only rumor, but it appears Carl and Al don't get along. Cam brings all the same offesive tendencies without that rumored problem with Carl.

Not to mention he is young and coming, which is considered a positive.

milkman
01-03-2006, 12:48 AM
It is of course only rumor, but it appears Carl and Al don't get along. Cam brings all the same offesive tendencies without that rumored problem with Carl.

The question is now, and I assume Carl will ask, is Cameron a Republican?

ceebz
01-03-2006, 12:55 AM
I'd sure hope we don't hire a coach simply because of that. Gonzo faces more double and triple teams and bumps than anybody in the league, and when we get down in the red zone everybody is on top of him.

I mean really, the difference in the stats is that Gonzo had to block more early in the year due to our protection problems... and Gates got to face our defense twice a year. He ran wild on us the first time we met.

Well, I'm sure it's not the only reason but, I believe it's one of them. I know Tony gets manhandled but, Gates gets a lot of attention as well. The dropoff in red zone production this year has to worry Carl, and I'm sure he's sick of watching Al run TE screens for Tony.

I also think one of the reasons Carl isn't sold on Al is the situation with LJ. Al's never been a big fan of LJ, and prefers the scatback type runner. I think Carl would like to know he has a coach who's committed to running his thoroughbred.

tk13
01-03-2006, 01:08 AM
Well, I'm sure it's not the only reason but, I believe it's one of them. I know Tony gets manhandled but, Gates gets a lot of attention as well. The dropoff in red zone production this year has to worry Carl, and I'm sure he's sick of watching Al run TE screens for Tony.

I also think one of the reasons Carl isn't sold on Al is the situation with LJ. Al's never been a big fan of LJ, and prefers the scatback type runner. I think Carl would like to know he has a coach who's committed to running his thoroughbred.
I understand that concern. And I almost wonder if Al went out of his way to prove that. LJ started like 9 times and still had a zillion carries. He actually gave LJ more carries than Priest has ever had in a season, in far less time... he definitely "ran the thoroughbred".

Count Alex's Wins
01-03-2006, 01:16 AM
If that freaking LB in NE can catch 3 TDs, Tony should be getting more than 2 a year.

tk13
01-03-2006, 01:20 AM
Well we could've done better, I'd agree, but I'm talking as a whole... Tony was coming off a 100 catch, 1200 yard season and a 10 TD season the year before that... it's not like Al has a history of not utilizing him.

Count Alex's Wins
01-03-2006, 01:21 AM
Well we could've done better, I'd agree, but I'm talking as a whole... Tony was coming off a 100 catch, 1200 yard season and a 10 TD season the year before that... it's not like Al has a history of not utilizing him.

No doubt, I'm not trying to criticize Al. I wish he could stay as OC.

I just think there is no excuse for Tony not getting the ball in the red zone. The Ravens split Heap out wide and threw a jump ball. We never do stuff like that.

Ultra Peanut
01-03-2006, 01:47 AM
Cameron? Fassel?!

mnchiefsguy
01-03-2006, 01:51 AM
Fassel could well up as the Vikings new coach. Apparently Ziggy Wolf likes him from when he was a Giants season ticket holder.

ChiefsCountry
01-03-2006, 04:15 AM
Of course those bitching about Gonzo not getting the tds, we have had two damn good goal line backs in Priest and LJ.

keg in kc
01-03-2006, 04:16 AM
The people bitching about Gonzo's TD totals are probably the same ones who bitch when drop back to pass on 1st and goal.

DaWolf
01-03-2006, 06:37 AM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.

I can see many reasons why we'd interview him:

-Pick the brain of a divisional coach
-Marty reccomended him
-Trent Green may have mentioned him (used to be head coach at Green's alma mater). Also was QB coach of the Redskins I think when Green was there.
-Relatively young (44) thus fitting in with what Lamar said about getting a coach who could be here for a while and not a quick fix.

Other than that though, I don't see him having much of a shot at the job. But I don't think he'd be a worse pick than Saunders, who is almost 60...

DaWolf
01-03-2006, 06:46 AM
The people bitching about Gonzo's TD totals are probably the same ones who bitch when drop back to pass on 1st and goal.

I have no problems dropping back to pass on 1st and goal. I do have a problem when the play call is some cute exotic pass designed to go to some second or third stringer in an effort to trick a defense. My opinion is you have playmakers, use them, don't stick them in there as decoys. Either hand it off or get it to Gonzo. Boerighter should be an end zone threat too considering what he did a few years ago and his size. I have no idea what happened to him (though he may just suck now, I'm not blaming Saunders on that one, although I do think it is rediculous that we don't have a better reciever on the roster than Chris Horn, who has no business on this football team, I don't care how hard he works).

Frankly though I don't see why we don't go downfield to Gonzo more often. That's his strength, going up and getting the ball against smaller defenders. When we're at the 25-30 yard line we should take our shots at him downfield in the end zone more...

nascher
01-03-2006, 07:18 AM
there is no coach who won't commit to LJ after this season.

BigRedChief
01-03-2006, 09:51 AM
pastabelly's take:

Dick Vermeil, Kansas City (retired)
Overview: Despite having one of the NFL's most powerful offenses in Vermeil's stint, the Chiefs advanced to the playoffs just once in his five years with the club. And now, this is a team at the crossroads, with one of the oldest rosters in the league and perhaps too few emerging youngsters. With president/general manager Carl Peterson at the helm, Kansas City is one of the NFL's best-run operations. But the Chiefs haven't developed a young quarterback, the supposed upgrades on defense seemed to diminish as the season wore on, and the rest of the division remains formidable.

Next (http://Next) for Vermeil: At age 69, and with plenty of outside ventures still on his plate, Vermeil has said his retirement is permanent. At least as far as coaching, you've got to take him at his word. But before making his initial return to the NFL sideline after a lengthy hiatus, Vermeil worked as a college football analyst and a return to the broadcast booth certainly is not out of the question.

Next for Chiefs: Vermeil has been lobbying the last two years for Al Saunders, his offensive coordinator, to succeed him. Then last week, he mentioned Herm Edwards of the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj) in a totally unsolicited comment. But it's Peterson, not Vermeil, who will determine the new coach, and so the process might be more inclusive than anyone has realized. Don't rule out Ferentz, who has previous NFL experience. And we would all be na´ve, given all the smoke surrounding Edwards, to think there isn't some fire that accompanies it. Edwards, as ESPN.com has noted in recent weeks, is going to make an issue of his compensation level. How big an issue? Big enough. In the end, he's likely to remain with the Jets, but his situation bears watching

DaneMcCloud
01-03-2006, 10:54 AM
Cam Cameron was on Jimmy Johnson's staff during the Cowboy's glory years in the 90's. He's well versed in the Coryell/Zampese offense and has been the main reason that San Deigo has become an offensive power (along with mentoring Drew Brees).

Vermeil recommended him to Marty, not the other way around.

Dane

Brock
01-03-2006, 10:57 AM
Cam Cameron was on Jimmy Johnson's staff during the Cowboy's glory years in the 90's. He's well versed in the Coryell/Zampese offense and has been the main reason that San Deigo has become an offensive power (along with mentoring Drew Brees).

Vermeil recommended him to Marty, not the other way around.

Dane

Cam Cameron has never worked for the Cowboys.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-03-2006, 10:57 AM
The reason Tony didn't get as many TD's this year is because Green finally figured out you throw into triple coverage bad things happen, and I'm happy about that.

BIG_DADDY
01-03-2006, 11:00 AM
I don't like any of these guys.

Lzen
01-03-2006, 11:50 AM
Looks like Brock is correct.


Cam Cameron
Offensive Coordinator
7th NFL Season,
4th with Chargers

Cam Cameron put a charge into San Diego's offense in 2004. The Chargers scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL and the third-most in team history.

Following the season, SportsIllustrated.com named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year.

The Chargers were the only team in the NFL with a quarterback who threw 20 touchdown passes (Drew Brees), a running back with at least 10 rushing touchdowns (LaDainian Tomlinson) and a receiver with at least 10 touchdown catches (Antonio Gates). All three players were selected to the Pro Bowl.

Cameron's play-calling in 2003 led to another record-setting year for Tomlinson, who became the first player in NFL history to rush for more than 1,000 yards and catch 100 passes in the same season. Tomlinson racked up 2,370 yards from scrimmage, second-most in NFL history, and rushed for 1,645 yards, second-most in team history.

In 2002, Cameron's first season as offensive coordinator, Tomlinson rushed for a team-record 1,683 yards.

Cameron joined the Chargers after five seasons (1997-2001) as the head coach at Indiana University.

At Indiana, Cameron helped develop quarterback Antwaan Randle El into a 2001 first-team All-America selection. Randle El was the NCAA Division I-A rushing leader among quarterbacks and finished his career as the only player in major college football history to rush and pass for 40 touchdowns.

In 2000, the Hoosiers led the Big Ten in rushing (266.4 ypg). The team's average of 5.8 yards per carry ranked second in the nation behind the University of Nebraska.

Cameron spent the 1994-96 seasons as the quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins. He was credited with the development of quarterback Gus Frerotte, who was selected to the Pro Bowl in 1997.

Cameron spent 10 seasons (1984-1993) as an assistant coach at the University of Michigan. He worked the first two years as a graduate assistant. From 1986-89 he coached wide receivers, and from 1990-93 he coached quarterbacks as well as wide receivers. During his 10 seasons in Ann Arbor, the Wolverines won six Big Ten titles and played in 10 bowl games, including five Rose Bowls. Cameron helped cultivate future NFL talents such as Jim Harbaugh, Elvis Grbac, Desmond Howard, Derrick Alexander and Amani Toomer.

For Cameron, the move into coaching was a natural fit. His stepfather, Tom Harp, was a head coach at Cornell (1961-65), Duke (1966-1970) and Indiana State (1973-77). Cameron and Harp each have the unique distinction of coaching a Heisman Trophy winner. Cameron coached Desmond Howard at Michigan and Harp was an assistant coach at West Point when Pete Dawkins claimed the trophy in 1958.

Cameron had a successful collegiate career as a two-sport letterman in football and basketball at Indiana. He lettered two years at quarterback and three in basketball before a football knee injury in his senior year ended his playing career. Cameron graduated from Indiana in 1983 with a degree in business.

Cameron was born Feb. 6, 1961 in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. While his stepfather coached at Indiana State, Cameron was a prep standout at South High School in Terre Haute, Indiana. He was an All-America selection in football as a senior and earned all-state honors twice and all-county honors three times. He was named Vigo County's Athlete of the Year in 1978 and 1979. Cameron led his team to three consecutive state basketball finals, and in 1979 he was named the winner of the state's prestigious Trester Award for mental attitude. In 1979, he also was named National Athlete of the Year by the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

Cameron and wife Missy have four children, sons, Tommy, Danny and Christopher, and daughter, Elizabeth.

Cam Cameron's Coaching Experience

2002-05 - Offensive Coordinator, San Diego Chargers
1997-2001 - Head Coach, Indiana University
1994-96 - Quarterbacks, Washington Redskins
1990-93 - Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers, University of Michigan
1986-89 - Wide Receivers, University of Michigan
1984-85 - Graduate Assistant, University of Michigan

DTLB58
01-03-2006, 03:18 PM
Clayton just said on NFL LIVE that Saunders had a 5 hour interview with CP and it went very well. :hmmm:

Very well from whose perspective Al's or CP's?

BigRedChief
01-03-2006, 03:22 PM
Clayton just said on NFL LIVE that Saunders had a 5 hour interview with CP and it went very well. :hmmm:

Very well from whose perspective Al's or CP's?

Wonder how the Butch Davis interview went yesterday?

or the Vikings interview with Sanders? They flew into KC to interview Sanders. Surely that went well too.:)

Lzen
01-03-2006, 03:25 PM
Clayton just said on NFL LIVE that Saunders had a 5 hour interview with CP and it went very well. :hmmm:

Very well from whose perspective Al's or CP's?

I'm trying to figure out how anyone could stand to be with CP for 5 hours.

milkman
01-03-2006, 03:27 PM
Clayton just said on NFL LIVE that Saunders had a 5 hour interview with CP and it went very well. :hmmm:

Very well from whose perspective Al's or CP's?

If it went "very well", one would assume that implies that both came away feeling good about it.

Though, one can't be certain of that.

tk13
01-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Al is a very, very well spoken guy, I bet he impresses everywhere he interviews.

sedated
01-03-2006, 03:33 PM
Ratboy is never wrong

htismaqe
01-03-2006, 03:35 PM
It went very well indeed:

Carl: [Aussie accent]You're a great guy, but you're just not right for our team.[/Aussie accent]

FringeNC
01-03-2006, 03:36 PM
Al is a very, very well spoken guy, I bet he impresses everywhere he interviews.

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall and hear what they talked about for five hours. Given how long they have worked together and known each other, one would hope it would be on substantive issues like how to fix the D.

NaptownChief
01-03-2006, 03:52 PM
I would be disappointed if they hired a proven mediocre coach like Edwards. I would harbor ill will and wish a Cubs like curse on the franchise if they gave up draft pick compensation for said proven mediocre coach.

He might "play to win the game" but he fails to accomplish that goal far too often for my tastes.

Rausch
01-03-2006, 03:58 PM
Looks like Brock is correct.

He usually is.

Not partaking in the rep whoring or easy-bake-oven threads doesn't mean someone's an i-dot...

NaptownChief
01-03-2006, 04:27 PM
Cam Cameron has never worked for the Cowboys.


During the 90's he was too busy starting the complete demise of my Hoosiers football program to work on Johnson's staff...unless that was something he was doing during personal time.

Frankie
01-03-2006, 05:14 PM
Clayton was just asked on Sportscenter who he thinks the Chiefs next HC is and he said AL SAUNDERS. I sure hope so. They also showed a sideline clip of AS and damn if he doesn't LOOK the part. :thumb:

Frankie
01-03-2006, 05:23 PM
I really don't understand the Cam Cameron thing. I like the guy, got nothing against him, he's from my hometown area and all, but I do not understand why we'd hire him over Al Saunders.
I don't want him over Saunders. But he is just about a distant second in my preference list. My reasons:

1- He's also from the Coryel school, and would probably be the most likely candidate out there to keep our offensive system.

2- We all know Marty's penchant for 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Cameron has been high scoring in SD despite Marty. I give him credit there.

3- Hopefully he has learned from Marty to pay attention to the 'D.'

NaptownChief
01-03-2006, 05:25 PM
Saunders definitely isn't on my short list of prefered choices but with the thoughts of giving up draft picks to bring in Herm floating about it would seem like an extra Christmas gift by comparison.

Frankie
01-03-2006, 05:27 PM
I also think one of the reasons Carl isn't sold on Al is the situation with LJ. Al's never been a big fan of LJ, and prefers the scatback type runner. I think Carl would like to know he has a coach who's committed to running his thoroughbred.I think that LJ thing is behind us. I bet you AS IS an LJ fan now. God knows he gave him the ball enough times.