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jAZ
01-04-2006, 12:51 PM
"can't stop a parakeet in a cage".

Ugh. Herm, please change this perception.

ct
01-04-2006, 12:53 PM
Tell that to LT or Rudi. It's not all bad, some good even, but horribly inconsistent.

KCTitus
01-04-2006, 12:54 PM
Quick question...who is Rick Reilly?

Brock
01-04-2006, 12:56 PM
Quick question...who is Rick Reilly?

He writes books about golf or something.

ptlyon
01-04-2006, 12:57 PM
He writes books about golf or something.

No, he used to coach the Lakers.

KCTitus
01-04-2006, 12:59 PM
Oh, I thought he was one of the boyz on 810 or something.

AZORChiefFan
01-04-2006, 01:02 PM
Feh not that it's any better but I'd say the pass D is in more need of repair than the run. Tho both need some work.

Mr. Laz
01-04-2006, 01:03 PM
jets weren't better stopping the run they were much worse

they just have better pass defense so their defense was ranked better

against the run


RK team avg
7 Chiefs 98.1
29 Jets 136.6


against the pass
RK team avg
2 Jets 172.2
30 Chiefs 229.9

Frankie
01-04-2006, 01:04 PM
Tell that to LT or Rudi. It's not all bad, some good even, but horribly inconsistent.
Exactly. Some of these guys pull the oddest sh#t out of their asses for their column.

AZORChiefFan
01-04-2006, 01:07 PM
It's been the rep of the D for a long time (to suck) while Chiefs fans have seen the change in the D especially the run D it's gonna take a while longer for the national media to catch up.

Stinger
01-04-2006, 01:09 PM
Quick question...who is Rick Reilly?

The one who also claims that Jake "porn stash" Plumber should be the MVP.

:bong:

KCTitus
01-04-2006, 01:10 PM
The one who also claims that Jake "porn stash" Plumber should be the MVP.

:bong:

OIC...a Bronco fan. There's the rub.

jidar
01-04-2006, 01:10 PM
It's been the rep of the D for a long time (to suck) while Chiefs fans have seen the change in the D especially the run D it's gonna take a while longer for the national media to catch up.

Exactly.
We all know our Run D has improved. Is it good? Not sure if you would call it good, but it's definately much better. The warm butter comment is behind the times.

KCTitus
01-04-2006, 01:12 PM
Exactly.
We all know our Run D has improved. Is it good? Not sure if you would call it good, but it's definately much better. The warm butter comment is behind the times.

Yeah, when you contrast the run defense this year to 2003, it's stark. 2003, teams ran on KC with impunity.

Skip Towne
01-04-2006, 01:17 PM
I don't know why everybody didn't employ cut back tactics. Everyone who did ran over us. Tiki had 12 yds on 10 carries before he started it.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't know why everybody didn't employ cut back tactics. Everyone who did ran over us. Tiki had 12 yds on 10 carries before he started it.

If you go back to the Giants game the defense started moving horizontal getting to the holes late, which made it easy to block the LB's. Many of those runs where attacking DJ who seemed to be thinking instead of reacting. Also, it looked like everyone forgot how to tackle. The Giants did a good job of spreading the defense and cutting back taking advantage of the horizontal movement. It was all very reminiscent to Grob's defenses.

It only happened in one game so I took it as an aberation not the norm. They corrected it against San Diego and Cinnci. Early in the San Diego game I saw the Chargers try and spread the defense the same way and DJ was very quick to the hole and wrapped up the tackle so I figured Gun corrected the problem.

The defense is getting better and learning every week. My concern is focused on the DLine, which is not getting the pressure. It looks to me like there is still a talent problem.

Skip Towne
01-04-2006, 01:35 PM
If you go back to the Giants game the defense started moving horizontal getting to the holes late, which made it easy to block the LB's. Many of those runs where attacking DJ who seemed to be thinking instead of reacting. Also, it looked like everyone forgot how to tackle. It was all very reminiscent to Grob's defenses.

It only happened in one game so I took it as an aberation not the norm. They corrected it against San Diego and Cinnci. Early in the San Diego game I saw the Chargers try and spread the defense the same way and DJ was very quick to the hole and wrapped up the tackle so I figured Gun corrected the problem.

The defense is getting better and learning every week. My concern is focused on the DLine, which is not getting the pressure. It looks to me like there is still a talent problem.I kept looking for it in the Charger game and they never tried it. I mentioned it in the game thread and others said it was due to poor field conditions. The Donks did it successfully against us as well. I don't think the problem did get corrected.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 01:35 PM
Yeah, when you contrast the run defense this year to 2003, it's stark. 2003, teams ran on KC with impunity.

I agree completely, the Defense needs to continue to improve, but the current defense is night and day better than the 2003 team.

Hydrae
01-04-2006, 01:36 PM
jets weren't better stopping the run they were much worse

they just have better pass defense so their defense was ranked better

against the run


RK team avg
7 Chiefs 98.1
29 Jets 136.6


against the pass
RK team avg
2 Jets 172.2
30 Chiefs 229.9


DAMN IT CARL! :cuss: IT IS ALL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SIGN TY LAW!

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 01:37 PM
I kept looking for it in the Charger game and they never tried it. I mentioned it in the gme thread and others said it was due to poor fied conditions. The Donks did it successfully against us as well. I don't think the problem did get corrected.

I was watching specifically for it and they tried it early in the game. The Chiefs defense reacted so well I think they didn't try it again. Field conditions I'm sure contributed, but SD tried it early and failed. I don't understand why they didn't try it after the first period.

Inspector
01-04-2006, 01:41 PM
They have improved.

I aint no football expert, but I know they've gotten better cause the other teams are getting fewer home runs.

Skip Towne
01-04-2006, 01:41 PM
I was watching specifically for it and they tried it early in the game. The Chiefs defense reacted so well I think they didn't try it again. Field conditions I'm sure contributed, but SD tried it early and failed. I don't understand why they didn't try it after the first period.
You must have been the only one that saw it. I mentioned it in the game thread and nobody said anything but that it was the field conditions. And that shouldn't have stopped them from trying.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 01:49 PM
You must have been the only one that saw it. I mentioned it in the game thread and nobody said anything but that it was the field conditions. And that shouldn't have stopped them from trying.

It happened early in the game and it had me jumping with joy. DJ really got schooled by the Giants and he responded well the next week. DJ has a great career ahead and Gun is the right guy to bring it out of him. What Gun did with Kawika is amazing and I think he will do even more with DJ.

Rausch
01-04-2006, 02:02 PM
It happened early in the game and it had me jumping with joy. DJ really got schooled by the Giants and he responded well the next week. DJ has a great career ahead and Gun is the right guy to bring it out of him. What Gun did with Kawika is amazing and I think he will do even more with DJ.

When you look at what a guy like Dom Capers does with LB's I'd love to see DJ in a 3-4.

Skip Towne
01-04-2006, 02:08 PM
It happened early in the game and it had me jumping with joy. DJ really got schooled by the Giants and he responded well the next week. DJ has a great career ahead and Gun is the right guy to bring it out of him. What Gun did with Kawika is amazing and I think he will do even more with DJ.
It's to the other side where that cutback crap works. Jerad Allen never stays home and Bell is off chasing down the field.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 02:09 PM
When you look at what a guy like Dom Capers does with LB's I'd love to see DJ in a 3-4.

No doubt he would do well, but I think it is harder to find a pure LB like DJ who will excell in a 4-3. Do you think it is fair to start comparing him to Derrick Brooks?

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 02:22 PM
It's to the other side where that cutback crap works. Jerad Allen never stays home and Bell is off chasing down the field.

Bell has been a major disappointment and Allen gets beat a lot when he takes inside routes to the QB. Both have to improve for the Defense to continue to get better.

The Gaints did a great job of spreading the defense and cutting back after sealing the corner. Many times DJ was not there because he was blocked. He was blocked because he was late filling the hole. The whole defense had a bad day, but DJ got schooled. The Gaints got the whole defense moving horizontal instead of getting up field making it easy to create those cut-back lanes.

KCTitus
01-04-2006, 02:25 PM
Bell has been a major disappointment and Allen gets beat a lot when he takes inside routes to the QB. Both have to improve for the Defense to continue to get better.

The Gaints did a great job of spreading the defense and cutting back after sealing the corner. Many times DJ was not there because he was blocked. He was blocked because he was late filling the hole. The whole defense had a bad day, but DJ got schooled. The Gaints got the whole defense moving horizontal instead of getting up field making it easy to create those cut-back lanes.

You think any of that might have been the result of the refs calling as many personal fouls as they did right off the bat? It seems to me that the defense got really pensive after the first 4 penalties.

tk13
01-04-2006, 02:39 PM
jets weren't better stopping the run they were much worse

they just have better pass defense so their defense was ranked better

against the run


RK team avg
7 Chiefs 98.1
29 Jets 136.6


against the pass
RK team avg
2 Jets 172.2
30 Chiefs 229.9
Those numbers are way misleading. The Jets faced the most rushing attempts in the league. The Chiefs faced the 2nd fewest. They actually allowed under 4 yards/carry and we didn't, they just faced like 170 more rushing attempts because they always trailed because of their offense.

chop
01-04-2006, 02:39 PM
I heard the comments this guy was saying. He's an SI writer. He was trying to prove his point about Tiki Barber not deserving MVP consideration. He said that Tiki's only positive of the season is the game against the Chiefs. He failed to mention that Tiki did the same thing a couple more times. I dismissed his opinions as soon as he said that about the Chiefs. Not because I'm a homer but because the Chiefs didn't get run over most of the year.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 02:42 PM
You think any of that might have been the result of the refs calling as many personal fouls as they did right off the bat? It seems to me that the defense got really pensive after the first 4 penalties.

Pensive is a good word as they were a step slow all afternoon. Something seemed to get into their heads. I just think they got the Defense thinking instead of reacting. Maybe it was the mis-direction that did it. It looked like Grob had returned.

Denver does a good job on one cut go with back side cut backs. The Gaints did more pulling and sealing before cutting back much like the Chiefs do with Priest Holmes. Once they had the Chiefs Defense going horizontal it was all over.

Bottom line the Gaints saw something in the game tapes and did a good job of game planning. The defense is still young and sometimes games like that will happen.

Chief Faithful
01-04-2006, 02:47 PM
I heard the comments this guy was saying. He's an SI writer. He was trying to prove his point about Tiki Barber not deserving MVP consideration. He said that Tiki's only positive of the season is the game against the Chiefs. He failed to mention that Tiki did the same thing a couple more times. I dismissed his opinions as soon as he said that about the Chiefs. Not because I'm a homer but because the Chiefs didn't get run over most of the year.

I didn't see many Giant games, but I thought Tiki tore through the Raiders the same.

jAZ
01-04-2006, 03:00 PM
Those numbers are way misleading. The Jets faced the most rushing attempts in the league. The Chiefs faced the 2nd fewest. They actually allowed under 4 yards/carry and we didn't, they just faced like 170 more rushing attempts because they always trailed because of their offense.
Great point!

Halfcan
01-04-2006, 03:05 PM
I thought our run D was much improved-unfortunately everyone focuses on the Tiki touchdown-instead of holding most RB's under a 100 all year.