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Matt39
01-04-2006, 06:52 PM
From the poster "Sperm Edwards" over at Jetnation- very funny guy.


Took over a team with a veteran 3-4 defense, hires a DC (Ted Cotrell) whose specialty is the 3-4, & inserts a 4-man front, cover-2 base package that was successful in Tampa Bay (never considering that TB had 4-5 defensive pro-bowlers and two pro-bowl RB’s to keep them off the field).

Though the offense had an immobile pocket passer who missed the ’99 season with a ruptured Achilles tendon, and comparatively smurf-like WR’s (Chrebet, Coles, Moss), shifted the team to a west-coast offense under Paul Hackett (who had just been fired for running the USC program into the ground after 3 years, after being fired as the maddening OC of your beloved Chiefs).

After an 8.5 sack rookie season, decided to move huge, future-pro-bowl DE Shaun Ellis to DT, where he became a small, pushed-around DT; a colossal flop.

When his starting RB had two (two!) BAD high ankle sprains would not sit him out for so much as one entire non-garbage-time possession for the entire season.

’03 season: With Pennington injured with a broken wrist to start the ’03 season does not alter the offensive playbook one iota for his immobile backup (Vinny). Herm also decided that the only RB on the team with breakaway speed (Jordan) will now be relegated to goal-line & short-yardage duty. Never mind that he’s a “RB with power” rather than a “power RB.” This is also ANNOUNCED, so any opponent who sees him come into the game (when it’s not garbage-time) is fully aware that the next play will be a handoff to Jordan (more than half his year’s carries were in 2-3 TE sets). On the year, a staggering 87% of the RB carries (including garbage time) went to Curtis Martin so he could amass 1300 yards. By comparison, Jamal Lewis with over 2000 yards got 81%; Ahman Green & with almost 1900 yards, 75%. Santana Moss starts the year buried behind Wayne Chrebet and Coles-replacement Curtis Conway. No amount of dropped balls gets Conway out of the starting lineup. Only an injury. Once he was finally given the chance, Moss explodes like we all hoped he would be when we traded up to draft him two years earlier, for 1100 yards & 10 TD’s despite only starting 12 games. Numbers not to be approached again until traded away from Edwards.

In Herm’s marquis season, 2004, the Jets are given the gift of the easiest schedule to start the season in recent memory & do win all 5 of those games, including the Bengals (in Carson Palmer’s first NFL start); the Chargers (1 game removed from the NFL’s worst team & 2 weeks removed from considering starting rookie Phillip Rivers at QB for the season); the 4-12 Dolphins (with no line, no RB’s, and a QB controversy in full swing); the then 0-3 Bills; and the 2-14 49ers. Those teams’ combined record at the time of their games with the Jets was 1-11 (1-16 after the losses to the Jets). Despite the favorable outcomes, nearly blew the games against the Bengals, Chargers, Bills, and even let the hapless 49’ers get out to a 14-0 lead. With Quincy Carter starting effectively and the OL mauling the vaunted Ravens rush defense, the Jets take commanding control of this game, only to watch Hackett/Edwards foolishly (and needlessly) attempt a HB option that is intercepted & returned for a TD while the Jets were driving into Ravens territory. The same game Edwards is caught on camera having “clock guru” D!ck Curl telling him how many timeouts we had & when they were to be used; Pennington coaching Herm to instruct Carter on what to do; the clock-killing debacle where Edwards can’t come up with a single play on his own at the end of regulation that put us in a position to have to choose between a play or a FG even though it wasn’t 4th down; also shots of the Ravens’ booth repeatedly & correctly predicting what play would be called as the 4th quarter wound down. In the post-game press conference, Edwards initially lies about a play being relayed to Carter with adequate time, to shift the blame onto the player, before retracting it upon realizing the replay of the game on NFL network showed the polar opposite. After beating the 4-12 Browns, 6-10 Cardinals, and 7-9 Texans, the Jets faced the Steelers and failed to score a touchdown as Jordan is stubbornly kept on the sideline despite Martin’s game-long ineffectiveness. (The average opponent scored ~16ppg against the Steelers; the Jets offense managed 12 pts in 2 games). In the playoffs, the Jets failed to score a single offensive touchdown against Pittsburgh (again). The defense & special teams keeps the Jets in the game and are in a position to win it with a field goal despite just missing one the previous possession. With the clock winding down, the Jets decide to predictably run up the middle twice (and get stuffed both times) before Edwards comes up with his crowning achievement as decision-maker. Though at Heinz Field, the worst place to kick a FG in the country, and a weak-legged kicker who just missed from 40+ yards, it is decided that a 41-yard FG is to actually be made into a 43-yard FG on purpose by kneeling on the ball (which would have been the longest FG ever made at Heinz Field at the time). Doug Brien misses, Jets lose.

But, you say, the Jets made the playoffs 3 of 5 years with Herm!!!!! How?

2001: Eked out 1-point victories vs the Bengals (6-10), Colts (6-10, who they also lost to), and Panthers (1-15) and a 6-pt win vs the 3-13 Bills before losing to those same Bills in a win-and-we’re-in game 15. Made the playoffs on a 53-yd FG in Oakland in the last game when Janikowski was injured & unavailable. Impressive?

2002: Chad Pennington had a magical season and almost single-handedly brought the Jets back from the dead, throwing 22 TD’s to 6 INT’s and going 8-4 in his regular season starts (including the two blown games vs Cleveland & KC when the Herm tried to run out the clock in the 3rd quarter). With the Jets in control of their own destiny, lost to the (then) 3-10 Chicago Bears. Thanks to an improbable outcome in the last game between Miami/NE, the Jets won a 3-way tie-breaker as all 3 teams ended up 9-7. Jets win the division. Impressive?

2004: See above for the dominance of our 5-0 start. Lost 3 of their next 4 once we stopped playing automatic-win games. Then after beating the 4-12 Browns, 6-10 Cardinals, and 7-9 Texans, the Herm Edwards Jets would again lose 3 of their next 4 games, including blowout losses to the Pats & Steelers & then the 7-8 Rams. A Buffalo loss to the Steelers 2nd & 3rd-stringers allows the Jets to advance to the post-season anyway. Impressive?

It doesn’t sound all that impressive put this way, does it? It wasn’t impressive for us to watch. Inherited a team that went 9-7 behind a bad coach that the players despised (Al Groh). He's leaving now that we're in this current mess & isn't getting his requested raise or an extension after going 4-12.

Good riddance.

Enjoy our retard.

Brock
01-04-2006, 06:54 PM
I pretty much have to agree. Hopefully, he's learned a few things.

ChiefsfaninPA
01-04-2006, 06:55 PM
Face it. No matter what coach we hire we are going to have people who are going to hate on them. We have no idea how he will be as our coach. Until he proves himself HERE then we should reserve our comments to see how he will perform.

siberian khatru
01-04-2006, 06:56 PM
That sounds like ChiefsPlanet stuff.

Intense hometown fans find all the flaws, deserved or not.

Yeah, that 2002 Jets team was a pretender. They sneaked into the playoffs then laid a 41-0 whoopin on Peyton Manning.

Herm gets a fresh slate with me. He's got 5 years to get us to the promised land.

HemiEd
01-04-2006, 07:01 PM
I am off to slit my wrists.

ChiefsfaninPA
01-04-2006, 07:04 PM
I am off to slit my wrists.


Nice knowing you. One down, a lot more to go.

kcfanintitanhell
01-04-2006, 07:04 PM
What if DV were to come out of retirement once again and become the HC of another team? Could anyone imagine the negativity that that particular team's BB would be bombarded with?

But this is beside the point-Herm has not yet become the HC of the Kansas City Chiefs.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 07:04 PM
Matt, what's your take on Donnie Henderson if we get him?

ChiefsfaninPA
01-04-2006, 07:06 PM
What if DV were to come out of retirement once again and become the HC of another team? Could anyone imagine the negativity that that particular team's BB would be bombarded with?

But this is beside the point-Herm has not yet become the HC of the Kansas City Chiefs.

What do you mean, haven't you seen all of the reports. HE is coming. You better repent.

kcfanintitanhell
01-04-2006, 07:09 PM
What do you mean, haven't you seen all of the reports. HE is coming. You better repent.

forgive me Herman, for I have sinned...
through my most grievous fault...
Whew!!!
Feel a lot better now...

Halfcan
01-04-2006, 07:16 PM
When the Jets end up with Martz-they will be beggin to have Herm back.

Something has to be done about our defense-this is a good start.,

Halfcan
01-04-2006, 07:17 PM
Now we need Jimmy Ray back to fall assleep on the run button again-and watch LJ pile up the yard.,

"Chiefs run up the middle for the tenth time in a row-amazing playcalling!!"

ChiefsfaninPA
01-04-2006, 07:17 PM
I think Herm will be a good coach. He won't be a whiny ass like Vermeil. Our team needs some discipline. Plus from what I gather, his players seem to like him.

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:18 PM
Yeah, we could send gochiefs to other boards and he could do a great big post like this about Al Saunders and scare the hell out of everybody. You can dissect anything and make it look bad.

And that said, beating up on bad teams is not a crime. If we'd beat the freaking 4-31 Bills, we'd still be playing this week. The Colts are likely going to get to a Super Bowl using an easy schedule... that's the NFL.

KChiefs1
01-04-2006, 07:27 PM
Jets fans calling into the station are all happy to get rid of Edwards. Pretty scary listening to them bitch about how conservative he is & that he wouldn't take chances on offense.

milkman
01-04-2006, 07:32 PM
Yeah, we could send gochiefs to other boards and he could do a great big post like this about Al Saunders and scare the hell out of everybody. You can dissect anything and make it look bad.

And that said, beating up on bad teams is not a crime. If we'd beat the freaking 4-31 Bills, we'd still be playing this week. The Colts are likely going to get to a Super Bowl using an easy schedule... that's the NFL.

This is true, tk.

However, when it appears that the majority feel the same way, then you have to wonder if they aren't on to something.

Of course, since I feel the same way about him already, it lends credibility to them in my eyes.

siberian khatru
01-04-2006, 07:34 PM
This is true, tk.

However, when it appears that the majority feel the same way, then you have to wonder if they aren't on to something.

Of course, since I feel the same way about him already, it lends credibility to them in my eyes.

Yeah ... but Jets fans in particular are a real sour lot.

Herm took them to the playoffs 3 times his first 4 years, won a couple of games. When was the last time this FRANCHISE even did that?

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:38 PM
This is true, tk.

However, when it appears that the majority feel the same way, then you have to wonder if they aren't on to something.

Of course, since I feel the same way about him already, it lends credibility to them in my eyes.
This is the same group of people that was throwing time zone smack around before Week 1.

Just because it's the majority doesn't mean it's always right.... especially with a bunch of stubborn, angry east coasters coming off a 4-12 season.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 07:41 PM
Why are we the only team bidding on the services of Herm Edwards?

shaneo69
01-04-2006, 07:42 PM
Yeah ... but Jets fans in particular are a real sour lot.

Herm took them to the playoffs 3 times his first 4 years, won a couple of games. When was the last time this FRANCHISE even did that?

Parcells took them to the AFC championship game. Edwards got most of his players and has led them to where they are today.

milkman
01-04-2006, 07:43 PM
Why are we the only team bidding on the services of Herm Edwards?

Because, we're the only team with the idiot referred as the King.

milkman
01-04-2006, 07:44 PM
Parcells took them to the AFC championship game. Edwards got most of his players and has led them to where they are today.

Wow.

I actually agree.

Maybe I shoud reconsider! :p

milkman
01-04-2006, 07:46 PM
This is the same group of people that was throwing time zone smack around before Week 1.

Just because it's the majority doesn't mean it's always right.... especially with a bunch of stubborn, angry east coasters coming off a 4-12 season.

I might be willing to dismiss their opinion, if it wasn't such a large majority, and if I didn't already agree with them.

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:46 PM
I don't know about that, Pennington, Coles, Moss, both Abraham's, Shaun Ellis, Vilma, etc, etc all came after Parcells left. Martin and Mawae are the only big holdovers from the Parcells era aren't they?

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 07:47 PM
Parcells took them to the AFC championship game. Edwards got most of his players and has led them to where they are today.

And Al Groh had them looking damn good at 9-4, but then lost their last three games. Edwards took over a good team.

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:48 PM
I might be willing to dismiss their opinion, if it wasn't such a large majority, and if I didn't already agree with them.
There was a time where a large majority of people on this board thought we should trade Larry Johnson for Arturo Freeman.... or cut Dante Hall, or cut Trent Green...

siberian khatru
01-04-2006, 07:48 PM
Parcells took them to the AFC championship game. Edwards got most of his players and has led them to where they are today.

I'm not gonna pore through the rosters, but Edwards took over 3 YEARS after they made the AFC title game. Parcells himself went 8-8 his last year there.

Hey, I'm not a lover of Edwards. But be fair.

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:50 PM
And Al Groh had them looking damn good at 9-4, but then lost their last three games. Edwards took over a good team.
Yes he did take over a decent team, just like he'd be doing in KC. I'm not sure where the problem is with that... he'd be taking over a veteran team with a great running game, vet QB, that needs to finish off building a defense.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 07:50 PM
This is the same group of people that was throwing time zone smack around before Week 1.

Just because it's the majority doesn't mean it's always right.... especially with a bunch of stubborn, angry east coasters coming off a 4-12 season.

I'm not really anti-Herm. I just fail to understand why Peterson considers him a great coach. He might do really well here, but I don't see how based on his Jets' record, how he can be considered anything special.

thurman merman
01-04-2006, 07:55 PM
sounds like a winner!

tk13
01-04-2006, 07:59 PM
I'm not really anti-Herm. I just fail to understand why Peterson considers him a great coach. He might do really well here, but I don't see how based on his Jets' record, how he can be considered anything special.
I don't know, personally, I think he has the best defensive pedigree of any of the candidates. Played on great defenses under DV in Philly, coached here in KC when Marty built a great defense, went to Tampa when Dungy built a great defense, then went to New York and put together a top 10 defense there.

milkman
01-04-2006, 08:00 PM
There was a time where a large majority of people on this board thought we should trade Larry Johnson for Arturo Freeman.... or cut Dante Hall, or cut Trent Green...

This has as much to do with the fact that I already agree with them.
I'd already been saying the same things, before I read their opinions.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 08:01 PM
I don't know, personally, I think he has the best defensive pedigree of any of the candidates. Played on great defenses under DV in Philly, coached here in KC when Marty built a great defense, went to Tampa when Dungy built a great defense, then went to New York and put together a top 10 defense there.

Edwards has never coordinated a defense.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 08:04 PM
I don't know, personally, I think he has the best defensive pedigree of any of the candidates. Played on great defenses under DV in Philly, coached here in KC when Marty built a great defense, went to Tampa when Dungy built a great defense, then went to New York and put together a top 10 defense there.

I'll look a lot more favorably on Edwards if the first thing he does is shitcans Gunther Cunningham. If he doesn't, will you still claim he is fine defensive mind?

tk13
01-04-2006, 08:05 PM
Edwards has never coordinated a defense.
And he wouldn't do that here, either. I didn't say he called a great game, I said he was a part of good defenses.

htismaqe
01-04-2006, 08:06 PM
That sounds like ChiefsPlanet stuff.

Intense hometown fans find all the flaws, deserved or not.

Yeah, that 2002 Jets team was a pretender. They sneaked into the playoffs then laid a 41-0 whoopin on Peyton Manning.

Herm gets a fresh slate with me. He's got 5 years to get us to the promised land.

I'm in the same boat. He's got 5 years.

tk13
01-04-2006, 08:09 PM
I'll look a lot more favorably on Edwards if the first thing he does is shitcans Gunther Cunningham. If he doesn't, will you still claim he is fine defensive mind?
We'll see. Herm actually interviewed Gun for the Jets DC job last year. I don't know how that interview went, Gun obviously came here and Herm hired Donnie Henderson, which I think was a good hire. I would say I'd feel better about Gun if we have a defensive minded head coach on top of him... that's when Gun's done his best work, actually, under Marty and Jeff Fisher.

milkman
01-04-2006, 08:18 PM
I'm in the same boat. He's got 5 years.

Why?

He already has one of the mst prolific offenses in the NFL in place, albeit aging, and a pretty good core group to build a defense around.

Fact is, if he doesn't get it done in 2 years, you should give him another 5 from that point.

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 09:36 PM
Yeah, we could send gochiefs to other boards and he could do a great big post like this about Al Saunders and scare the hell out of everybody. You can dissect anything and make it look bad.

Al Saunders is a fine offensive coordinator. His f*ckups are not even CLOSE to Germ Edwards legacy.

And that said, beating up on bad teams is not a crime. If we'd beat the freaking 4-31 Bills, we'd still be playing this week. The Colts are likely going to get to a Super Bowl using an easy schedule... that's the NFL.

Did you miss the part where they got beat by the BEARS?

GERM EDWARDS....STAY AWAY FROM KC.

tk13
01-04-2006, 09:42 PM
A fine offensive coordinator? You've been all over the place the last few days saying how Al's overrated... that's a sudden change...

milkman
01-04-2006, 09:43 PM
A fine offensive coordinator? You've been all over the place the last few days saying how Al's overrated... that's a sudden change...

Actually, GC has said many times he thought that Al was a fine OC.
He just didn't like him as a HC prospect.

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 09:46 PM
Germ Edwards against winning teams:

2001 - 4-4
2002 - 4-4
2003 - 1-7
2004 - 3-5
2005 - 2-8

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real thrilled about bringing a coach who is 6-20 against winning teams the last three years to KC.

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 09:47 PM
A fine offensive coordinator? You've been all over the place the last few days saying how Al's overrated... that's a sudden change...

It's not a change.

I said he was overrated. He is.

That doesn't mean he sucks.

FringeNC
01-04-2006, 09:48 PM
Germ Edwards against winning teams:

2001 - 4-4
2002 - 4-4
2003 - 1-7
2004 - 3-5
2005 - 2-8

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real thrilled about bringing a coach who is 6-20 against winning teams the last three years to KC.

Good find.

tk13
01-04-2006, 09:49 PM
Actually, GC has said many times he thought that Al was a fine OC.
He just didn't like him as a HC prospect.
Saunders is overrated.

Our offense won't drop off without him as long as we keep the key players.

I'm just saying Al is overrated. There are plenty of examples why.

Kclee
01-04-2006, 09:49 PM
GERM EDWARDS....STAY AWAY FROM KC.

Maybe we are missing something. Like our older O players. Roaf, Shields, and TRich saying they would stay for Herm, but not some college guy or old retread coach. Well, Shields is probably gone anyway. Or players like Trent and Gonzo saying that's who they want. :hmmm:


or maybe not. :shrug:

The Bad Guy
01-04-2006, 09:50 PM
If the Chiefs constantly beat up on bad teams, we would have made the playoffs. Losing to the Bills was devistating.

I have no doubts a lot of fans hate Herm. A lot of fans here didn't like Vermeil.

I hosted a chat session for 2 hours a week during the season on fantasyfootball.com, I lamented one week how I couldn't stand Vermeil anymore. A Raider fan, yes a Raider fan, brought me back to reality that he would kill to have Vermeil as his coach.

It's easy to bitch and complain about someone that is making you a contender every year. But remember, the grass isn't always greener.

Jet fans might realize this when Herm is gone. Chief fans might realize this with Vermeil gone.

It sounds like Jets fans take making the playoffs for granted. 3 times in 5 years, regardles of the excuses you want to make about Herm, is impressive. The Jets beat SD in SD - which is something KC hasn't done in a while. They took the Steelers to the brink.

KC hasn't had a playoff victory since 1993. Jet fans don't realize how long ago that is.

The Bad Guy
01-04-2006, 09:51 PM
Edwards has never coordinated a defense.

Andy Reid never coordinated an offense either.

That doesn't mean he can't run one.

beavis
01-04-2006, 09:53 PM
It sounds like Jets fans take making the playoffs for granted. 3 times in 5 years, regardles of the excuses you want to make about Herm, is impressive. The Jets beat SD in SD - which is something KC hasn't done in a while. They took the Steelers to the brink.

Haven't they had injury problems in years previous to this one also?

tk13
01-04-2006, 09:54 PM
Good find.
Not really, the two years that kill that stat are the two years Pennington is hurt. Otherwise it's about .500....

You'll get no argument from me, his team was not very good when Pennington went down. But that's football, the Chiefs wouldn't be good without Trent, the Colts wouldn't be good without Manning, the Pats wouldn't be good without Brady, etc...

nychief
01-04-2006, 09:54 PM
I have watched every Herm Edwards coached game, save about 4, since he came to New York. He is a solid coach, a great motivator (his players die for him), and an improving in game stratigist. He has some Marty in him, but mostly good Marty - tough players, tough coaches - a mean streak. But he is more like Dungy.

siberian khatru
01-04-2006, 09:54 PM
Germ Edwards against winning teams:

2001 - 4-4
2002 - 4-4
2003 - 1-7
2004 - 3-5
2005 - 2-8

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real thrilled about bringing a coach who is 6-20 against winning teams the last three years to KC.

Ouch.

tk13
01-04-2006, 09:57 PM
Haven't they had injury problems in years previous to this one also?
Not like this last year. They played 5 different quarterbacks due to injuries. Pennington, Fiedler, Testaverde, Brooks Bollinger, and Kliff Kingsbury. Lost Curtis Martin to injury, Blaylock to injury, had to play a 6th round rookie, Cedric Houston, by the end of the season. Lost all-pro center Kevin Mawae. Lost at least one other starting o-lineman.

I agree sometimes injuries are a bad excuse, but if the Chiefs were playing Huard, Dee Brown, and without Roaf and Shields, we'd suck pretty hard....

beavis
01-04-2006, 09:58 PM
and an improving in game stratigist.
Hell, that reason alone is almost enough to hire him. I'd be happy if he'd win a ****ing challenge more than 20% of the time.

nychief
01-04-2006, 09:59 PM
Does gochief want Nick Athan to coach the team?

beavis
01-04-2006, 10:01 PM
Not like this last year. They played 5 different quarterbacks due to injuries. Pennington, Fiedler, Testaverde, Brooks Bollinger, and Kliff Kingsbury. Lost Curtis Martin to injury, Blaylock to injury, had to play a 6th round rookie, Cedric Houston, by the end of the season. Lost all-pro center Kevin Mawae. Lost at least one other starting o-lineman.

I agree sometimes injuries are a bad excuse, but if the Chiefs were playing Huard, Dee Brown, and without Roaf and Shields, we'd suck pretty hard....
Yeah, I'm with you. I was actually trying to stick up for the guy. I knew they had just been decimated this year by injuries, but I don't follow them closely enough to remember anything past that. I do remember Pennington going down a couple of years ago for a substantial part of the season.

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 10:02 PM
I'd rather have this Jets coach as our head coach:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/images/2004.1/frontpage/content/1758henderson-point-1.jpg

listopencil
01-04-2006, 10:03 PM
Germ Edwards against winning teams:

2001 - 4-4
2002 - 4-4
2003 - 1-7
2004 - 3-5
2005 - 2-8

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real thrilled about bringing a coach who is 6-20 against winning teams the last three years to KC.



Sounds great to me.

tk13
01-04-2006, 10:06 PM
Yeah, I'm with you. I was actually trying to stick up for the guy. I knew they had just been decimated this year by injuries, but I don't follow them closely enough to remember anything past that. I do remember Pennington going down a couple of years ago for a substantial part of the season.
Yeah, in 2003 Pennington was hurt as well. The three years Pennington was healthy they made the playoffs. The two years he got hurt (03 and 05), they didn't make it...

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 10:06 PM
The only positive I can see about Herm Edwards is that he usually had a good defense in New York.

In KC he wouldn't have to worry about building an offense.

Of course if he benched Santana Moss in favor of Curtis f*cking Conway who knows what he will do. That's like starting Chris Horn over Samie Parker.

nychief
01-04-2006, 10:09 PM
The only positive I can see about Herm Edwards is that he usually had a good defense in New York.

In KC he wouldn't have to worry about building an offense.

Of course if he benched Santana Moss in favor of Curtis f*cking Conway who knows what he will do. That's like starting Chris Horn over Samie Parker.

Moss was a petulant child at the time, and he was proving a point - he is a leader. Plus he has been a head coach in the NFL since Miami Vice went off the air - witch al saunders hasn't... so I am not going to bitch.

Count Alex's Wins
01-04-2006, 10:15 PM
I should recant against Steve Mariucci to be fair here.

Here's Steve Mariucci's record in San Francisco against winning teams:

1997: 2-2
1998: 2-4
1999: 1-5
2000: 0-7
2001: 3-3
2002: 2-4

I've looked at all his schedules in San Francisco, and if anyone is overrated, it's Mariucci. The 49ers beat up on about 300 bad teams while he was their head coach...it's honestly disgusting how easy their schedules were.