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BIG_DADDY
01-05-2006, 04:02 PM
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip
IAN JOHNSTON
SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT
AN EXTRAORDINARY "hyperspace" engine that could make interstellar space travel a reality by flying into other dimensions is being investigated by the United States government.

The hypothetical device, which has been outlined in principle but is based on a controversial theory about the fabric of the universe, could potentially allow a spacecraft to travel to Mars in three hours and journey to a star 11 light years away in just 80 days, according to a report in today's New Scientist magazine.


The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

Professor Jochem Hauser, one of the scientists who put forward the idea, told The Scotsman that if everything went well a working engine could be tested in about five years.

However, Prof Hauser, a physicist at the Applied Sciences University in Salzgitter, Germany, and a former chief of aerodynamics at the European Space Agency, cautioned it was based on a highly controversial theory that would require a significant change in the current understanding of the laws of physics.

"It would be amazing. I have been working on propulsion systems for quite a while and it would be the most amazing thing. The benefits would be almost unlimited," he said.

"But this thing is not around the corner; we first have to prove the basic science is correct and there are quite a few physicists who have a different opinion.

"It's our job to prove we are right and we are working on that."

He said the engine would enable spaceships to travel to different solar systems. "If the theory is correct then this is not science fiction, it is science fact," Prof Hauser said.

"NASA have contacted me and next week I'm going to see someone from the [US] air force to talk about it further, but it is at a very early stage. I think the best-case scenario would be within the next five years [to build a test device] if the technology works."

The US authorities' attention was attracted after Prof Hauser and an Austrian colleague, Walter Droscher, wrote a paper called "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory".

Now THAT would be cool.

Reaper16
01-05-2006, 04:05 PM
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Count Alex's Losses
01-05-2006, 04:06 PM
Maybe the Chiefs won a Super Bowl in one of those dimensions.

I'm guessing I didn't get laid in ANY dimension, however.

mikey23545
01-05-2006, 04:06 PM
If this is legitimate, it is simply beyond belief...

Lzen
01-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Wow, sounds like something right out of Star Trek.

BIG_DADDY
01-05-2006, 04:12 PM
If this is legitimate, it is simply beyond belief...

How cool would it be to travel to another star? 80 days is awhile, wonder if they would have a cocktail lounge. ROFL

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:12 PM
The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but if the US Air Force already "has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine," why do they need this guy?

Otter
01-05-2006, 04:19 PM
I was under the impression that if the speed of light was exceeded in travel the mass of that object would become infinite and defy some laws of energy. Thus the whole “nothing can travel faster than light” theory.

(sorry, college ended too long ago for stuff like this)

Unless I’m mistaken this whole theory is challenging what laws there of Quantum Physics.

I could be talking out my ass from fragmented memory too, wouldn’t be the first time.

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:20 PM
I was under the impression that if the speed of light was exceeded in travel the mass of that object would become infinite and defy some laws of energy. Thus the whole “nothing can travel faster than light” theory.

In our dimension, yes.

Nick Athan
01-05-2006, 04:26 PM
I broak this news in to our premium members on warfieldillustrated.com a coupal weaks ago.

mikey23545
01-05-2006, 04:37 PM
How cool would it be to travel to another star? 80 days is awhile, wonder if they would have a cocktail lounge. ROFL

You know, I think I would actually be willing to give up beer for 80 days if I had to if they didn't have a lounge...
:)

Taco John
01-05-2006, 04:39 PM
In our dimension, yes.



Doesn't that feel so wierd to say?

Count Alex's Losses
01-05-2006, 04:39 PM
Is Mer tall and athletic?

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:40 PM
Doesn't that feel so wierd to say?

No. That's how they spell weird in the 7th dimension.

Hydrae
01-05-2006, 04:42 PM
"Away from the World in 80 Days"

BIG_DADDY
01-05-2006, 04:42 PM
You know, I think I would actually be willing to give up beer for 80 days if I had to if they didn't have a lounge...
:)

I don't know you better rethink that it's 160 days round trip. :)

Taco John
01-05-2006, 04:44 PM
Is Mer tall and athletic?



The good news is that in this dimension, she has virtually no standards. Her face is a little blurry, but she'll kiss any bozo.

kcfanintitanhell
01-05-2006, 04:51 PM
So one of the rubs has to be how to avoid small space fragments traveling at such a velocity...
"It was working so well until they pancaked that asteriod, I don't how Dale Jr didn't see it-it was a good 50 million miles away"

Baby Lee
01-05-2006, 04:53 PM
The good news is that in this dimension, she has virtually no standards. Her face is a little blurry, but she'll kiss any bozo.
My inside sources tell me she's a solid b-cup.

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:54 PM
So one of the rubs has to be how to avoid small space fragments traveling at such a velocity...
"It was working so well until they pancaked that asteriod, I don't how Dale Jr didn't see it-it was a good 50 million miles away"

It wouldn't be traveling in space. Not as we know it, anyway.

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:54 PM
My inside sources tell me she's a solid b-cup.

Sorry, but I've been sworn to secrecy.

mikey23545
01-05-2006, 04:58 PM
Here's a scientific paper that was coauthored by Hauser and another scientist about this propulsion system:





http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ZXWEr1fAHb0J:www.uibk.ac.at/c/cb/cb26/heim/theorie_raumfahrt/hqtforspacepropphysicsaip2005.pdf+Jochem+Hauser+z+machine&hl=en

Donger
01-05-2006, 04:59 PM
Here's a scientific paper that was coauthored by Hauser and another scientist about this propulsion system:





www.uibk.ac.at/c/cb/cb26/heim/theorie_raumfahrt/hqtforspacepropphysicsaip2005.pdf+Jochem+Hauser+z+machine&hl=en]Heim (http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ZXWEr1fAHb0J:[url) Quantum Theory for Space Propulsion Physics[/URL]

Stop posting in the 5th dimension. It hoses the URL.

Baby Lee
01-05-2006, 05:01 PM
Stop posting in the 5th dimension. It hoses the URL.
Up up and away in my beautiful balloon.

mikey23545
01-05-2006, 05:02 PM
Eh, try it now...

kcfanintitanhell
01-05-2006, 05:04 PM
Up up and away in my beautiful balloon.

ROFL

I hope I'm not dating myself by responding to this in such a manner.

ROFL

C-Mac
01-05-2006, 05:51 PM
Wonder if it will have meteor deflector on the hood.

Donger
01-05-2006, 05:55 PM
Up up and away in my beautiful balloon.

You sayin' Diana Ross is an interdimensional alien?

4th and Long
01-05-2006, 05:58 PM
Wonder if it will have meteor deflector on the hood.
It will need one. Moving anywhere near that fast in space, and encountering a piece of debris as small as a grain of sand, would effectively shred the space craft as if it were made of paper mache.

Calcountry
01-05-2006, 05:59 PM
How cool would it be to travel to another star? 80 days is awhile, wonder if they would have a cocktail lounge. ROFLThe mile high club would be for back benchers then.

Calcountry
01-05-2006, 06:00 PM
I broak this news in to our premium members on warfieldillustrated.com a coupal weaks ago.ROFL

Donger
01-05-2006, 06:01 PM
It will need one. Moving anywhere near that fast in space, and encountering a piece of debris as small as a grain of sand, would effectively shred the space craft as if it were made of paper mache.

For the second time, IT WON'T BE MOVING IN SPACE AS WE KNOW IT!

Damn, dirty apes!

wilas101
01-05-2006, 06:07 PM
It's all fun and games till the first trip when everyone effectively disentigrates because they didn't address newton's first law of motion.

to use the star trek phrase... inertial dampeners.

4th and Long
01-05-2006, 06:08 PM
For the second time, IT WON'T BE MOVING IN SPACE AS WE KNOW IT!

Damn, dirty apes!
I must have missed the part that said the space that we know nothing about was devoid of debris.

4th and Long
01-05-2006, 06:08 PM
It's all fun and games till the first trip when everyone effectively disentigrates because they didn't address newton's first law of motion.

to use the star trek phrase... inertial dampeners.
Yep.

Donger
01-05-2006, 06:09 PM
I must have missed the part that said the space that we know nothing about was devoid of debris.

Maybe, maybe not. You said it will need it. We don't know that.

Anyway, I just wanted to say damn, dirty apes.

4th and Long
01-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Maybe, maybe not. You said it will need it. We don't know that.

Anyway, I just wanted to say damn, dirty apes.
I hope you got it out of your system because if you didn't I'll start a poll to determine whether or not the Mods need to change your user name to Charlton Heston.

Donger
01-05-2006, 06:16 PM
I hope you got it out of your system because if you didn't I'll start a poll to determine whether or not the Mods need to change your user name to Charlton Heston.

Peh. They won't do it. I asked to be changed to HornyAlpaca and they didn't do it.

Hog Rider
01-05-2006, 06:17 PM
ROFL

I hope I'm not dating myself by responding to this in such a manner.

ROFL


I just realized, I figured everybody knew where it was from. I am old, and gettin' senile.

We could fly above the clouds together.... ROFL ROFL

4th and Long
01-05-2006, 06:22 PM
Peh. They won't do it. I asked to be changed to HornyAlpaca and they didn't do it.
What a shame. Say ... You want the rest of us to refer to you as HornyAlpaca as a show of solidarity?