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tk13
01-07-2006, 02:08 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/13569921.htm

Chiefs steal play from Colts
JASON WHITLOCK
Kansas City Star

Thereís virtually no mystery to what is driving Carl Petersonís desire to hire Herm Edwards as the replacement for Dick Vermeil.

Peterson is an uncomplicated general manager working in a copycat league.

Bill Polian, the general manager of the Indianapolis Colts, is the best GM in professional football. Heís been chosen NFL executive of the year five times. He built the Super Bowl Buffalo Bills. He jumped to the expansion Carolina Panthers and quickly turned them into a Super Bowl threat. And now, this season, Polian has constructed the most complete football team of the salary-cap era.

Bill Polian is the football man Carl Peterson wishes he was.

Well, in 2002, shortly after firing Jim Mora primarily because the Colts had one of the leagueís leakiest defenses and one of its most explosive offenses, Polian hired Tony Dungy to lead the Colts one week after Dungy had been fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Dungy, a defensive-minded coach, had been canned by the Bucs because he was perceived to be an ultraconservative offensive coach with poor clock-management skills.

Polian didnít care about Dungyís perceived shortcomings. Polian cared about Dungyís high character, uncanny ability to lead men and ďCover 2Ē defensive genius. Polian figured that Peyton Manning and holdover offensive coordinator Tom Moore could keep Indyís offense rolling and Dungy could fix the D.

Polian was right. Dungy, Manning and Moore are the new envy of the NFL, replacing Belichick, Brady and Weis.

Peterson is hoping that Edwards, the recently disposed Tony Dungy disciple from the Jets, can team with Trent Green and a yet-to-be-hired offensive coordinator and duplicate Indyís success.

Itís a beautiful plan Ö as long as Edwards buys in, Peterson retains offensive coordinator Al Saunders or lands a suitable replacement and Peterson gives Edwards the freedom to build a defensive coaching staff to his liking.

You see, things work in Indianapolis because Dungy totally trusts Manning and Moore and because Dungy has shaken his Marty Schottenheimer offensive instincts. Dungy coaches without ego. He lets Manning and Moore do their thing without worrying about who gets the credit.

Edwards is a lot like Dungy in many respects. Theyíre both high-character individuals with strong faith. But Edwards is a bit more unpredictable, more volatile. Dungy never raises his voice. Edwards doesnít mind getting sassy with the people who challenge his decisions.

Having said all of that, Edwards is far too intelligent not to recognize the similarities between his situation and Dungyís. Edwards is too smart to screw this up. Heís leaving a team that finished 4-12 and needs to be rebuilt, and joining a 10-6 squad that has a chance to compete next season.

The key will be talking with quarterback Trent Green and landing the right offensive coordinator. In my opinion, there are three options:

1. Al Saunders: Heís likely going to get a head-coaching job somewhere else. Maybe the Chiefs could pay him $2 million a year to stay on as offensive coordinator. But Iím not sure Saunders and Green have the same type of chemistry as Moore and Manning. Saunders and Green donít have an equal partnership. Saunders believes in his system more than he does his personnel.

2. Norv Turner: Green absolutely loves Turner, who was just fired as head coach of the Raiders. Green credits Turner for being the guy who believed in him when no one else did when Green entered the league as a late-round draft pick. Turner was the coordinator of the Jimmy Johnson/Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl teams. There are a lot of similarities between KCís current offensive personnel and the personnel on those Dallas offenses ó punishing, run-blocking lines, Jay Novacek and Tony Gonzalez, Emmitt Smith and Larry Johnson, Troy Aikman and Green.

3. Mike Solari: Kansas Cityís offensive-line coach has earned the right to be a coordinator. He has the necessary intellect and temperament to be a play-caller. The only thing I question is whether his relationship with Green is deep enough to handle the kind of autonomy Edwards will need to give the offense.

Iím leaning toward Turner but would be satisfied with any of the three.
It also will be interesting to see what Edwards thinks of defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Edwards, an assistant under Dungy at Tampa Bay, prefers the ďCover 2Ē scheme, which requires the safeties to hang back and the corners to cover the short zones. Itís quite a bit different than the blitz-happy, man-to-man schemes that made Cunningham famous in KC in the 1990s.

Well, anyway, I canít say that I disagree with King Carlís plan. If he pulls this off ó puts together the right coaching staff ó Iíll hold off on my ďDethrone the KingĒ campaign for at least another year. Iím excited about the hiring of Herm Edwards.

Phobia
01-07-2006, 02:13 AM
Shit. Whitlock stole more of my damn material. I'm gonna call him out in one of my articles or something.

Wallcrawler
01-07-2006, 02:15 AM
2. Norv Turner: Green absolutely loves Turner, who was just fired as head coach of the Raiders. Green credits Turner for being the guy who believed in him when no one else did when Green entered the league as a late-round draft pick. Turner was the coordinator of the Jimmy Johnson/Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl teams. There are a lot of similarities between KCís current offensive personnel and the personnel on those Dallas offenses ó punishing, run-blocking lines, Jay Novacek and Tony Gonzalez, Emmitt Smith and Larry Johnson, Troy Aikman and Green.





I mentioned this in another thread about Edwards. If we could land Norv Turner as OC, this team would be very dangerous. Turner has coordinated superbowl champion offenses, and while the coordinator for the Miami Dolphins, Ricky Williams was a monster in the Miami offense.

The thought of Norv Turner coordinating an offense with Trent Green, Larry Johnson, and Tony Gonzalez is very exciting to me. Id love to see it happen.

If not, Id like to see Solari or Shea get the job and try to maintain the offense we have.

Logical
01-07-2006, 02:16 AM
I am a little suprised to see Whitlock supporting Norv Turner.

Wallcrawler
01-07-2006, 02:27 AM
The guy's credentials as an OC are solid. Superbowl rings are tough to argue with.

As a head coach, the guy isnt worth a hill of beans, but he can damn sure run an offense.

Logical
01-07-2006, 02:34 AM
The guy's credentials as an OC are solid. Superbowl rings are tough to argue with.

As a head coach, the guy isnt worth a hill of beans, but he can damn sure run an offense.

I think you misunderstand me, I figured Jason would choose to support at least one controversial candidate, but he actually picked three who will not stir up much of a controversy for his article.

Count Alex's Wins
01-07-2006, 02:34 AM
Good article by Whitlock. I'm on the Norv Turner bandwagon, too.

Germ Edwards is no defensive genious, though.

Phobia
01-07-2006, 02:41 AM
Good article by Whitlock. I'm on the Norv Turner bandwagon, too.

Tony Dungy is no defensive genious, though.

You're on crack. His last name even starts with "D".

Count Alex's Wins
01-07-2006, 02:43 AM
Crap. I meant "Germ Edwards."

Phobia
01-07-2006, 02:43 AM
You need an editor.

Count Alex's Wins
01-07-2006, 02:45 AM
You need an editor.

Everyone needs an editor. Groupthink is ideal when you're putting out a publication.

What really sucks is when you get some dumbass editing your writing who doesn't know what the hell she's doing.

NJ Chief Fan
01-07-2006, 04:23 AM
herm>dungy

RedDread
01-07-2006, 05:06 AM
I am really glad that Whitlock wrote about something OTHER than another story about the front offices of the Chiefs and Jets clashing.

Chiefnj
01-07-2006, 07:12 AM
I would have preferred Saunders being head coach and handing all defensive power and gameplanning over to a coordinator.

kpic
01-07-2006, 07:29 AM
Polian was right. Dungy, Manning and Moore are the new envy of the NFL, replacing Belichick, Brady and Weis.



Don't quite get this line, unless the Colts have some secret Superbowls they recently won? Current "media darlings" I will accept but not "envy of the NFL"

KILLER_CLOWN
01-07-2006, 08:36 AM
Man this is like an episode of the twilight zone, the entire town has taken to the kool-aid. I won't drink it, I can't drink it. Must fight....urge....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

siberian khatru
01-07-2006, 08:39 AM
Fabulous column. One of his best.

Dave Lane
01-07-2006, 09:14 AM
Good article by Whitlock. I'm on the Norv Turner bandwagon, too.

Germ Edwards is no defensive genious, though.


His key to not getting canned in KC is to have good assistants without those he is toast.

Dave

donkhater
01-07-2006, 09:35 AM
The guy's credentials as an OC are solid. Superbowl rings are tough to argue with.



Please don't go using that as the primary reason to hire Turner. Remember the raving success of the last Super Bowl winning coordinator the Chiefs hired ?

dtebbe
01-07-2006, 09:41 AM
I'm all for the Norv Turner deal. He is a proven OC, who has a solid relationshop with our QB. If we don't re-sign Saunders, we'd be crazy not to get Norv in here. He's also a class guy, always handled himself well regardless of how bad things are. Let's face it, no one is ever going to do well in Oakland as long as Al Davis is there.

DT

milkman
01-07-2006, 10:00 AM
In drawing parallels between Carl's persuit of Hermie and Bill Polian's decision to hire Tony Dungy, he also inadvertently (I think) pointed out a couple of things that illustrate why Polian is a better GM.

First, he didn't trade a draft pick for his coach.
He waited until he shook free.

Second, he didn't alienate the man that built his offense, leaving him hoping that he could find someone that could maintain what another man built.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2006, 10:16 AM
if we are going to start running a Cover 2 defense ol' carl has a lot of work to do. Our personnel isn't suited for a coverage 2 defense.

Count Alex's Wins
01-07-2006, 10:26 AM
if we are going to start running a Cover 2 defense ol' carl has a lot of work to do. Our personnel isn't suited for a coverage 2 defense.

Given Germ Edwards history, if we install a cover 2 defense, we'll stand pat on personnel.

Chief Henry
01-07-2006, 10:52 AM
[QUOTE=Wallcrawler]I.

The thought of Norv Turner coordinating an offense with Trent Green, Larry Johnson, and Tony Gonzalez is very exciting to me. Id love to see it happen.

[QUOTE]


PS...Don't forget we have Kris Wilson too ;)

kregger
01-07-2006, 11:14 AM
if we are going to start running a Cover 2 defense ol' carl has a lot of work to do. Our personnel isn't suited for a coverage 2 defense.
If we draft a true corner(or Battle if he's healthy) you move Warfield to cover safety and it will play well.

The Bad Guy
01-07-2006, 11:16 AM
if we are going to start running a Cover 2 defense ol' carl has a lot of work to do. Our personnel isn't suited for a coverage 2 defense.

He didn't run a cover 2 in NY, I don't see why he would here.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2006, 11:23 AM
If we draft a true corner(or Battle if he's healthy) you move Warfield to cover safety and it will play well.
true... i agree with the Warfield to free safety move


but that's just the start of it...


kendrell bell is not a cover 2 linebacker and our defensive line isn't good enough to play a cover 2.


for a cover 2 you need:

1. a front 4 defensive line that can generate pressure on the QB by itself. You still blitz in a cover 2 ... but it's very selective.

2. linebackers that can zone coverage (ie not a power LB like Bell)

3. good zone coverage CB's (we have none)

4. Maybe most importantly, you need safetys that can cover alot of ground and are smart.



the way you attack a cover 2 is with the tightend down the middle or with the receivers over the top. The key is the safety play ... they need to be able to help cover the tightends in the middle of the field AND be able to help the corners deep down the sidelines. Our safeties can't do either right now.

our defensive line can't generate it's own pass rush either.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2006, 11:23 AM
This was a good article by Whitlock. Turner sounds pretty good as O Coordinator. You know he would love to stick it to Al, too.

Calcountry
01-07-2006, 12:02 PM
Shit. Whitlock stole more of my damn material. I'm gonna call him out in one of my articles or something.He scooped you dawg.

Calcountry
01-07-2006, 12:04 PM
Good article by Whitlock. I'm on the Norv Turner bandwagon, too.

Germ Edwards is no defensive genious, though.Woldn't that be something, Al Saunders to Oaktown as HC, and Norv turner to KC as OC, the rivalry lives on!

Count Alex's Wins
01-07-2006, 12:05 PM
He didn't run a cover 2 in NY, I don't see why he would here.

He tried to his first two years. With the wrong personnel.

AZORChiefFan
01-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Hopefully Green gets some input as to which OC he'd like.

Simplex3
01-07-2006, 12:39 PM
Hopefully Green gets some input as to which OC he'd like.
Green's going to be here what, two years? Tops?

Here's to Herm having total control over the coaching staff. If he sinks I want it to be his fault.