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tk13
01-21-2006, 01:11 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/13676820.htm

New KC coach just wants to win
Edwards says he’s not out to change the Chiefs’ offense

By ELIZABETH MERRILL
The Kansas City Star

The vacuum tracks in the red carpet were still fresh at 8 o’clock Friday morning, and rain hit the windows in Herm Edwards’ new skybox suite. Two pictures hung near his desk — an old one of his father in military uniform, and a new shot of Herm, his wife, Lia, and baby daughter, Gabrielle. The office was empty. The new guy had just moved in.

But in the span of 24 hours, Edwards has heard that he has dismantled the NFL’s No. 1 offense, that he cares only about defense, that the days of low-falutin’ football are coming back to Kansas City.

Edwards, who’s as no-frills as the shirt he’s wearing with the initials H.E. written in marker on the back collar, says the conclusions are unfair.

“That’s a lot of speculation, and I don’t buy into a whole lot of speculation,” Edwards said. “I think some people think we’re going back to option football. We’re not going to do that. People can watch us and then they can form their own opinions.

“I’m not here to change the offense. I’m really not. I’m just here to win. And whatever way we can win, that’s what we’re going to do.”

Edwards, hired Jan. 9 to replace his mentor Dick Vermeil, is a defensive coach, the opposite of Vermeil. In 2004, Edwards’ Jets team came within a field goal of making the AFC championship game and scored 17 or fewer points in 10 games.

The Chiefs had little problem scoring, passing and racking up massive numbers under offensive coordinator Al Saunders. But panic hit the plains Thursday when Saunders took a job as Washington’s top offensive assistant. Call-in shows lit up with angry fans who wondered why Edwards didn’t beg Saunders to stay. Edwards says he doesn’t beg anyone.

And he makes no bones about his desire to shape the Chiefs’ defense into one of the league’s best. He lights up when he talks about his days with Tony Dungy at Tampa Bay. Edwards also envisions a team like Dungy’s in Indianapolis, one that has the perfect balance of offense and defense.

“If you look at the history of this place, we made all those playoff runs with great defenses,” said Edwards, who was a defensive assistant for the Chiefs in the 1990s. “The last time I checked, when we went to the AFC championship game, we had a pretty good defense.

“In this league, if you want to be a championship team, you’d better have a good defense. If you watch teams in the playoffs, they’ve got good defenses. I don’t think people have to worry or get excited because we might not score 30 points a game. No, we might not. We might win some games 14-7. Then again, we might win some games 31-24. We don’t have to worry about that right now. We haven’t even kicked the ball off.”

Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson bristled Friday at the notion that Edwards is trying to tinker with something that isn’t broken. If Edwards was changing the offense, Peterson said, would he have kept a majority of the offensive coaches and promoted Mike Solari to offensive coordinator?

“I think Herm has done a great job retaining continuity,” Peterson said. “Sometimes people forget and look past the quarterback (Trent Green) that we have under contract for four more years. He knows more about this offense than anybody. He actually knew more about it than Al Saunders before he came here. Trent Green has a lot of input. Even more with Mike Solari.”

On a Friday morning when he didn’t have time to unpack, Edwards conceded that he isn’t a carbon copy of Vermeil. He can’t be. But he did buy his old coach’s townhouse on the Plaza, and the guy who occupies Vermeil’s empty office isn’t that different.

“He has his way of doing things, and I have my way of doing things,” Edwards said. “His way and my way are the same in this — we want to win.

“You guys will figure me out here pretty soon and what kind of guy I am and how I do things. Will it be a little different from Coach? Yeah, it’ll be different. But I am who I am. I’m going to do what I see fit.”

■ NO WESTHOFF: Scratch Mike Westhoff off Edwards’ list of possible assistants. Westhoff is staying with the Jets, The Star-Ledger of Newark, N.J., is reporting in today’s editions. Westhoff, a well-respected special-teams coordinator, met with new coach Eric Mangini late this week and was retained.

Rausch
01-21-2006, 01:57 AM
“I think Herm has done a great job retaining continuity,” Peterson said. “Sometimes people forget and look past the quarterback (Trent Green) that we have under contract for four more years. He knows more about this offense than anybody. He actually knew more about it than Al Saunders before he came here. Trent Green has a lot of input. Even more with Mike Solari.”

That there be good news...

ZootedGranny
01-21-2006, 02:12 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/13676820.htm
But in the span of 24 hours, Edwards has heard that he has dismantled the NFL’s No. 1 offense, that he cares only about defense, that the days of low-falutin’ football are coming back to Kansas City.


OH SHIT, SON! LIZ JUST CALLED OUT JOE POZ! IT'S ON NOW MUTHA****AS!


“Trent Green has a lot of input. Even more with Mike Solari.”

"Hope y'all are ready for some slingin and slangin, I'm audiblizing for no reason now, suckas."

http://www.ingramsonline.com/dec_2003/images/chiefs/trent_green.jpg

Jayhawkerman2001
01-21-2006, 02:15 AM
Hes saying everything i wanted to hear outta him. im beginning to feel good about herm. Leave the damned offense the way it is, cause its the best offense in the league, period. may be old as hell, but they got 1 maybe 2 years left in them as the best in the league.

Big Chief Homer
01-21-2006, 06:21 AM
That there be good news...



One good thing about that quote is hopefully now Solari will allow trent to audible at the line.


I had heard it was the one thing about saunders Trent hated.


BCH

StcChief
01-21-2006, 06:41 AM
So far he's doing it right.

FAX
01-21-2006, 06:45 AM
“Sometimes people forget and look past the quarterback (Trent Green) that we have under contract for four more years. He knows more about this offense than anybody. He actually knew more about it than Al Saunders before he came here. Trent Green has a lot of input. Even more with Mike Solari.”

This is a very interesting statement.

Trent knew more about the offense than Al in the beginning and has more input into the offensive scheme than Solari?

Is Carl just trying to make us feel better or is this true?

FAX

Color Red
01-21-2006, 06:59 AM
I really like to keep reminding myself of a couple of things. Vermeil left, retired. We could have gotten a hot shot coordinator from somewhere to come in and cut his teeth on being a head coach. That, as we have experienced doesn't usually work out. We have so much in place right now to win/be competitive. I'd hate to scrap it and start rebuilding. What remains the problem with the Chiefs? Defense. Why does anyone think that Saunders would build in the end-all defense we need, or be able to do so? The beauty of our offense is that it is built around playmaking staples that can be a core anywhere: running, o-line, tight end play. Simply put, I have more confidence that a guy like Edwards can/will keep the offense in tact while restoring the defense, than having Saunders keep resetting the offense and building a defense to beat all.

Except for this past year, Edwards had demonstrated a proficiency as head coach with his teams being competitive. As I said here a few weeks ago, we might look back on getting this young-fifties-year-old coach as a steal if in the next few years he continues to assert himself as a winner. I have heard commentators say he is good but not great. But his greatness is all that's left to come. There's every reason to believe he can do it.

The AFC West promises to continue being highly competitive over the next several years --and I can't believe even the Raiders will get any worse. It'll be a challenge, but I think we have a plan to get after it.

mississippichiefan
01-21-2006, 07:21 AM
I really like to keep reminding myself of a couple of things. Vermeil left, retired. We could have gotten a hot shot coordinator from somewhere to come in and cut his teeth on being a head coach. That, as we have experienced doesn't usually work out. We have so much in place right now to win/be competitive. I'd hate to scrap it and start rebuilding. What remains the problem with the Chiefs? Defense. Why does anyone think that Saunders would build in the end-all defense we need, or be able to do so? The beauty of our offense is that it is built around playmaking staples that can be a core anywhere: running, o-line, tight end play. Simply put, I have more confidence that a guy like Edwards can/will keep the offense in tact while restoring the defense, than having Saunders keep resetting the offense and building a defense to beat all.

Except for this past year, Edwards had demonstrated a proficiency as head coach with his teams being competitive. As I said here a few weeks ago, we might look back on getting this young-fifties-year-old coach as a steal if in the next few years he continues to assert himself as a winner. I have heard commentators say he is good but not great. But his greatness is all that's left to come. There's every reason to believe he can do it.

The AFC West promises to continue being highly competitive over the next several years --and I can't believe even the Raiders will get any worse. It'll be a challenge, but I think we have a plan to get after it. Good post , I agree with you 100% Go Chiefs !!!!

milkman
01-21-2006, 07:41 AM
One good thing about that quote is hopefully now Solari will allow trent to audible at the line.


I had heard it was the one thing about saunders Trent hated.


BCH

People just see what they want to, don't they?

That whole "Al's offense doesn't allow adibles" is a myth.

Both Al and Trent Green denied there was any truth to that myth.
That fact has been pointed out numerous times, and yet the myth still lives, because people don't want to admit that the truth, because it is something they can use to justify their misguided opinions.

milkman
01-21-2006, 08:03 AM
I really like to keep reminding myself of a couple of things. Vermeil left, retired. We could have gotten a hot shot coordinator from somewhere to come in and cut his teeth on being a head coach. That, as we have experienced doesn't usually work out.

Uh....When have we experienced that?

We have so much in place right now to win/be competitive. I'd hate to scrap it and start rebuilding. What remains the problem with the Chiefs? Defense. Why does anyone think that Saunders would build in the end-all defense we need, or be able to do so?

And what evidence do you have that Al couldn't build a defense.
I would have had a lot more confidence in the offense remaining among the best, and building a defense, with Al as HC, and someone like Dom Capers as DC.
As our staff stands now, I have no faith in Gun's ability as DC, and never had any faith in his ability, and only hope that the offense continues to operate at ahigh level with Solari as OC.

The beauty of our offense is that it is built around playmaking staples that can be a core anywhere: running, o-line, tight end play. Simply put, I have more confidence that a guy like Edwards can/will keep the offense in tact while restoring the defense, than having Saunders keep resetting the offense and building a defense to beat all.

Again, all that you have is hope, no more or less that I would have had with Al as HC.
My hope with Hermie is that he doesn't **** up.

Except for this past year, Edwards had demonstrated a proficiency as head coach with his teams being competitive. As I said here a few weeks ago, we might look back on getting this young-fifties-year-old coach as a steal if in the next few years he continues to assert himself as a winner. I have heard commentators say he is good but not great. But his greatness is all that's left to come. There's every reason to believe he can do it.

The AFC West promises to continue being highly competitive over the next several years --and I can't believe even the Raiders will get any worse. It'll be a challenge, but I think we have a plan to get after it.

I don't understand why everyone thinks getting Hermie is such a steal.
We could have hired Jim Fassel, who has even better credentials than Hermie, with a SB appearence, with Kerry Freakin' Collins at QB, no less.

Sure, Hermie's won a couple of playoff games.
But so has Marty.

C-Mac
01-21-2006, 08:20 AM
This is a very interesting statement.

Trent knew more about the offense than Al in the beginning and has more input into the offensive scheme than Solari?

Is Carl just trying to make us feel better or is this true?

FAX
It make perfect sense because of Trent being the QB in St Louis and Sanders just being the receivers coach.

jAZ
01-21-2006, 08:21 AM
...and has more input into the offensive scheme than Solari?
Just to clarify, he said "with Solari", not "than Solari".

C-Mac
01-21-2006, 08:23 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks getting Hermie is such a steal. Sure, Hermie's won a couple of playoff games.
But so has Marty.

You need to give the guy a freakin chance to prove himself. Herm Edwards is a Bill Cower type of coach and I would think that most could live with that.

milkman
01-21-2006, 08:23 AM
It make perfect sense because of Trent being the QB in St Louis and Sanders just being the receivers coach.

No it doesn't.

Al learned from the master, Don Coryell.
The statement from Carl that Trent knows the offense better is absolute bullshit.

milkman
01-21-2006, 08:25 AM
You need to give the guy a freakin chance to prove himself. Herm Edwards is a Bill Cower type of coach and I would think that most could live with that.

I'm going to give him a chance.

But I won't just sit back and read BS without commenting.

FAX
01-21-2006, 08:27 AM
Just to clarify, he said "with Solari", not "than Solari".

Thanks, Mr. jAZ. I misread that. But, in a way, that's even stranger.

I think we can agree that what Carl is saying here is that the offense will not go to hell because Trent knows the offense and can contribute. Okay. But, the strange part is that, either way you read it, it's a back-handed compliment to Solari at best.

FAX

shaneo69
01-21-2006, 08:37 AM
That's 6 times I've read "last time I checked" in 3 Q&A's.

C-Mac
01-21-2006, 08:38 AM
No it doesn't.

Al learned from the master, Don Coryell.
The statement from Carl that Trent knows the offense better is absolute bullshit.

Yes but I believe he was speaking of "this" offense or this "version" of the offense that is based on Coryell's ideas.

jAZ
01-21-2006, 08:40 AM
Thanks, Mr. jAZ. I misread that. But, in a way, that's even stranger.

I think we can agree that what Carl is saying here is that the offense will not go to hell because Trent knows the offense and can contribute. Okay. But, the strange part is that, either way you read it, it's a back-handed compliment to Solari at best.

FAX
Good point, but it seems to me that the media is the one supplying the back hand (and possibly rightfully so given Solari's running game background). Carl is merely providing the proper context needed to properly evaluate the concerns expressed (however legit).

It's not a bland and generic "Solari is great" and therefore, it's more effective at pacifying the media, IMO. Heck, it worked for me, because it makes so much sense.

milkman
01-21-2006, 08:41 AM
Yes but I believe he was speaking of "this" offense or this "version" of the offense that is based on Coryell's ideas.

And who the hell do you think was the architect of this "version"?

FAX
01-21-2006, 08:55 AM
Good point, but it seems to me that the media is the one supplying the back hand (and possibly rightfully so given Solari's running game background). Carl is merely providing the proper context needed to properly evaluate the concerns expressed (however legit).

It's not a bland and generic "Solari is great" and therefore, it's more effective at pacifying the media, IMO. Heck, it worked for me, because it makes so much sense.

I can see that, Mr. jAZ. I guess from my perspective, Carl's comment indicates a recognition of potential concerns with the offense. Maybe I'm projecting here, but I see this as essentially saying, "Look, there's no problem with Herm (because he's defensive minded) and Solari (because he's run-oriented) deploying a high-powered, balanced offensive attack, because we have Trent."

As you say, Mr. jAZ, that point of view molifies the media and, in fact, may well be true. Yet, it's just another way of saying, "We recognize that we have shortcomings on our offensive coaching staff, but Trent makes up for it so don't worry." Well, I think the world of Trent Green, but he's not a coach.

FAX

Brock
01-21-2006, 09:09 AM
Sure, Hermie's won a couple of playoff games.
But so has Marty.

Not lately.

foxman
01-21-2006, 09:11 AM
We had an OC that MIGHT have brought our defense up or it could have slipped.

He have a HC that is a defensive minded coach who MIGHT NOT tinker with the offense who has a new OC and who appears to be allowing the QB more room to make decisions. A HC who MIGHT have a positive impact on the defense or none at all. He is a guy that HAS won in NY and IMO was a good coach there.

This is really all I know. I don't think anyone of us knows much more than this and everything else is speculation. It's a toss up of sorts with the exception that we think we know Saunders would have maintained the offense to a "T". Wasnt Saunders the interim coach for Sandyegggo once upon a time? Why wasnt he retained? I am not for or against either of these guys and I have said many times that while I am not against Edwards, I don't like the way we hired him without any apparent thought of interviews with the likes of Linehan or Rivera ect ect.

foxman
01-21-2006, 09:13 AM
Not lately.

Thats not accurate and is antagonistic (which I am usually in favor of).

Herm's team was dismantled with injury and no one...well almost no one wins with that situation. He was pertty succesfull in NY prior to last year as has been well documented.

milkman
01-21-2006, 09:15 AM
Thats not accurate and is antagonistic (which I am usually in favor of).

Herm's team was dismantled with injury and no one...well almost no one wins with that situation. He was pertty succesfull in NY prior to last year as has been well documented.

He was saying that Marty hasn't won a playoff game lately.

FAX
01-21-2006, 09:18 AM
Thats not accurate and is antagonistic (which I am usually in favor of).

Herm's team was dismantled with injury and no one...well almost no one wins with that situation. He was pertty succesfull in NY prior to last year as has been well documented.

I think he was saying that some unidentified person named "Lately" hasn't won a playoff game in a while.

FAX

Rogcop_3121
01-22-2006, 07:54 AM
Vermiel was a coach that invited players over to his home for dinner, Herm seems to be stricter with his players, no dinner at Herm's place. I think maybe that is what the boys need a strict coach. Vermeil was a great coach for us, Herm already has all of the weaponry to go to battle. I don't see him making any significant changes on the offense of this football team. The defense maybe, we still have some issues there. In his opening press conference I thought he made it clear that the defense will stand up in 06 and will produce. We did improve against the rush this season, however the pass defense was still near the bottom of the league. Herm will utilize the talent that is there and if he can find someone better, no starting jobs are definite. Lets give Herm a chance. There is a reason that Saunders was sent bye-bye.

Spott
09-10-2007, 07:49 PM
The Chiefs had little problem scoring, passing and racking up massive numbers under offensive coordinator Al Saunders. But panic hit the plains Thursday when Saunders took a job as Washington’s top offensive assistant. Call-in shows lit up with angry fans who wondered why Edwards didn’t beg Saunders to stay. Edwards says he doesn’t beg anyone.



Is it too late to start begging?

Count Zarth
09-10-2007, 07:54 PM
As much as I hate to say it, I think Saunders could do pretty well with this collection of offensive talent. We have a decent enough OL now.

Mr. Laz
09-10-2007, 07:55 PM
ROFL

Mr. Laz
09-10-2007, 07:57 PM
As much as I hate to say it, I think Saunders could do pretty well with this collection of offensive talent. We have a decent enough OL now.
I agree ... this is about coaches imo

sure the offensive line hurts .... but if we knew how to coach/practice and run the offense better we wouldn't suck like this.

Mr. Laz
09-10-2007, 07:59 PM
gotta be more of these threads around


how about some of the ones 2/3 games into the 1st season were herm and company got downright pissed when people hinted that he had changed the offense.

jidar
09-10-2007, 08:10 PM
oh god make it stop

CoMoChief
09-10-2007, 08:25 PM
"Edwards also envisions a team like Dungy’s in Indianapolis, one that has the perfect balance of offense and defense."


Bull****ing cockshit ****ass suckass shit that wont ever ****ing happen. Not with this ****in offensive game plan drawn up by Dumb**** Solari with the aids of Herm Shit Edwards and Dick Curled up into my ass helping him out.

YOU GOTTA THROW THE ****IN BALL DOWN FIELD IF YOU WANNA BE EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT THE COLTS DO.