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Bowser
01-21-2006, 04:01 PM
Seeing the animation of the rolling roof in ZepSinger's thread makes me wonder what the majority thinks of this issue. Are you a fan of this roof idea in general, or just to land a once-in-a-lietime chance at getting a Super Bowl in KC? Or should the complex be left alone?

Poll to follow.

BigRedChief
01-21-2006, 04:08 PM
It's paid for by out of state money.

We will get $400-600 million in tourism $'s from the Super Bowl

We could get a Final Four also.

King Carl is on record saying that the Chiefs will never use the roof for their games.

Looks kind of weird but I've heard they could easily make the bottom of the top of the roof a gigantic video screen. That would be cool.

Phobia
01-21-2006, 04:11 PM
What the average fan sees of Arrowhead looks to be in good condition. It is.

The inside is past ready for a massive makeover.

Halfcan
01-21-2006, 04:14 PM
The roof looks like a huge waste of $$$.

Bearcat
01-21-2006, 04:16 PM
King Carl is on record saying that the Chiefs will never use the roof for their games.


I don't think there's ever been an issue in the NFL, but this reminds me of the Astros last post season, when they wanted the roof closed but the MLB said it was too nice outside & made them leave it open. I wonder if the NFL would do the same thing... say, if it was an otherwise nice January afternoon, but it was supposed to drop into the 20s by the second half... :shrug:

Bowser
01-21-2006, 04:17 PM
It's paid for by out of state money.

We will get $400-600 million in tourism $'s from the Super Bowl

We could get a Final Four also.

King Carl is on record saying that the Chiefs will never use the roof for their games.

Looks kind of weird but I've heard they could easily make the bottom of the top of the roof a gigantic video screen. That would be cool.

I don't know. I can't seem to get on board with the idea, even with the reasons you listed. I guess if I were to have a roof, I'd just as soon see it be like Reliant Stadiums' retractable roof, not just a rolling roof.

I'm all for upgrading both stadiums, because they both need it. The location of the complex makes it the perfect venue to watch sports, so I don't really want to move the Royals downtown, or see the Chiefs bolt for Wyandotte.

I'll tell you what is a kick ass venue for a football game - Lambeau Field. When they upgraded around that stadium, they did it right. I would love to see the Chiefs come up with a plan that could somewhat mirror what Green Bay did. Anyone who has seen the renovated Lambeau knows what I'm talking about, and should agree.

BigRedChief
01-21-2006, 04:17 PM
I don't think there's ever been an issue in the NFL, but this reminds me of the Astros last post season, when they wanted the roof closed but the MLB said it was too nice outside & made them leave it open. I wonder if the NFL would do the same thing... say, if it was an otherwise nice January afternoon, but it was supposed to drop into the 20s by the second half... :shrug:

That may be true. Thats King Carl's end game. He knows the NFL could over rule him. But I don't think that would happen except for a playoff game.

Bowser
01-21-2006, 04:19 PM
What the average fan sees of Arrowhead looks to be in good condition. It is.

The inside is past ready for a massive makeover.

Absolutely. Arrowhead is a credit to HoK (and I'm assuming that they are the ones who designed it). But it sorely needs to be brought up to date.

Halfcan
01-21-2006, 04:20 PM
I don't know. I can't seem to get on board with the idea, even with the reasons you listed. I guess if I were to have a roof, I'd just as soon see it be like Reliant Stadiums' retractable roof, not just a rolling roof.

I'm all for upgrading both stadiums, because they both need it. The location of the complex makes it the perfect venue to watch sports, so I don't really want to move the Royals downtown, or see the Chiefs bolt for Wyandotte.

I'll tell you what is a kick ass venue for a football game - Lambeau Field. When they upgraded around that stadium, they did it right. I would love to see the Chiefs come up with a plan that could somewhat mirror what Green Bay did. Anyone who has seen the renovated Lambeau knows what I'm talking about, and should agree.


Lambeau is great, but they left the shitty benches-bad move.

Bowser
01-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Lambeau is great, but they left the shitty benches-bad move.

Very true. AROUND the stadium is terrific, but inside sucks with all that bleacher seating. Reminds me of Memorial Stadium in Lincoln. Blech.

But the club section is ****ing fntastic. :drool:

VonneMarie
01-21-2006, 04:25 PM
I'm for the rolling roof. We need change.

Logical
01-21-2006, 06:31 PM
I would have voted for a new Arrowhead had you not included the stupid IMO idea of wasting money on a downtown baseball park. Do the minor upgrades to Kaufman Stadium and leave it there. There is not a nicer park for baseball viewing that has been built and wasting money on a new park for the Royals is insane.

Cochise
01-21-2006, 06:33 PM
I voted for the new stadium, but I don't think we need to move the K. Just give them a nice rennovation package.

Dunit35
01-21-2006, 06:37 PM
Renovate both stadiums, but do not put a dumbass roof on them. Maybe even build a new Arrowhead, exactly the same as this one.

Hoover
01-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Renovate Kaufmann and Build a new Arrowhead with retractable roof at teh current location.

4th and Long
01-21-2006, 07:09 PM
Renovate Kaufmann and Build a new Arrowhead with retractable roof at teh current location.
That. Right there. The last thing I want to do is drive all the frickin way downtown through, what is already, gridlock traffic.

BigRedChief
01-21-2006, 08:27 PM
Jackson County commisioners are idiots that can't be trusted. But what are you going to do? You can't get rid of them then have an election to save the Chiefs. Never happen.

The tax target is squarely on my back.

I'm a Jackson County Resident.

I work in Kansas City, Mo.

I'm a Chiefs season ticker holder.

Lamar wants the rolling roof. The city wants the Super Bowl.We are stuck with the idiot commisioners and this vote to save our Chiefs. If this vote fails the Chiefs will be gone in 10 years from the Truman Complex.

I didn't vote yes for Bi-State2 because it was a bad plan and I don't like all of the proposals and ideas in this one but its all we got to work with to save the Chiefs and Arrowhead.

I'm going to vote yes on this proposal.

Hoover
01-21-2006, 09:35 PM
What is the kaufamnn part of the deal amount too?

Guru
01-21-2006, 09:47 PM
The roof looks like a huge waste of $$$.

Don't waste money on what is not needed. This stadium was not made for a roof. A rolling roof is a stupid idea.

Renovate or rebuild? I would say rebuild. Numbers I have seen and heard over the past 10 months do not make renovation look like that great of an idea.

Hoover
01-21-2006, 09:50 PM
What I have read the want 250 million for the royals, and 325 million for the chiefs.

Now does the above cost include the roof?

If not this is a bad plan

The Colts are building a new retractable stadium that is costing 500 million.

If I were a KC resident, I'd rather see a plan that gets the Royals 250 M for improvements, and a new stadium for the Chiefs that can actually be used for conventions, final fours, and the Super Bowl. Note this Roof with panels to enclose the old arrowhead.

Hoover
01-21-2006, 09:55 PM
Ok so I see on the star that the Roof will cost 200M

So the total cost of the project with roof would be 775M

Which is enough to build a new Stadium for the Chiefs and 250 M at Kaufmann would do a lot. They don't need the roof.

Each Team should still shell out the 100M they have been talking about.

Guru
01-21-2006, 10:01 PM
Ok so I see on the star that the Roof will cost 200M

So the total cost of the project with roof would be 775M

Which is enough to build a new Stadium for the Chiefs and 250 M at Kaufmann would do a lot. They don't need the roof.

Each Team should still shell out the 100M they have been talking about.

That is the other thing that ticks me off. The teams pay 100 mil? Thats IT!!!! The Chiefs are cheap and the Royals are putting their money to the wrong thing, i.e. talent on the field. Hell, the Royals payroll is only somewhere between 60-70 mil. What the hell? :cuss:

Bowser
01-23-2006, 07:07 AM
Gratuitous bump for the day crowd.

I'm curious to see what everyone would like to see.

Big Dog
01-23-2006, 07:21 AM
Correct me if I am wrong...but wasn't the original plan to have a rolling roof? I was around back then...but still somewhat young and I don't remember the details, but I coulda swore that was part of it.

That being said, I am not much for it...but to be honest (or maybe just a wus) the days I am scraping ice off my seat to sit down, it sure would come in handy.

Jackson County commisioners are idiots that can't be trusted. But what are you going to do? You can't get rid of them then have an election to save the Chiefs. Never happen.

This really is the problem...corruptness made the last proposal a joke, and I blame no one for voting against it...I am concerned this might happen again and, as a net result, we loose the Chiefs out of Jackson County.

kc rush
01-23-2006, 09:18 AM
This is just another in a long line of poorly conceived plans by the Jackson County Executive and Sports Authority. Incompetence and corruption have a way of screwing things up.

The $800 million plus price tag for this project only extends the current lease about 15 years. It makes no sense to operate this way when you can build two new stadiums (one with a retractable roof) for $800 million to $1 billion and lock the teams into longer term deals.

This really should be turned into a bi-state issue. Build a baseball park downtown where its 81 games per year can help with the current growth in that area. Build a new Arrowhead with a retractable roof on the site of the old Kaufman. Give Kansas a soccer complex where the Wizards can play, and move the Chiefs training camp to Kansas to throw in an extra bone. Keep the proposal simple - don't add the arts or other items that will only confuse the issues.

BigChiefFan
01-23-2006, 09:22 AM
Don't waste money on what is not needed. This stadium was not made for a roof. A rolling roof is a stupid idea.

Renovate or rebuild? I would say rebuild. Numbers I have seen and heard over the past 10 months do not make renovation look like that great of an idea.
Agreed. REBUILDING is the smart plan, IMO. Spending as much as a NEW stadium and only having a guarantee of 15 years on the lease is foolish and waste of money.

ILChief
01-23-2006, 09:28 AM
as an out of towner, I think the two best options are:

1) Build a new baseball stadium downtown and do the mega-rennovation to Arrowhead

2) Build a new baseball stadium downtown and a new football stadium by the speedway because the sports complex is in the ghetto and there is NOTHING to do around there.

leaving the baseball stadium at its current location is stupid, IMHO.

beavis
01-23-2006, 10:11 AM
leaving the baseball stadium at its current location is stupid, IMHO.
I agree. If we are going to be in the business of giving hand outs to millionaire owners, the community should at least get something out of it. The only place that truely happens is downtown.

I'm actually starting to like the idea of football out by the racetrack. The current location really couldn't suck more.

VonneMarie
01-24-2006, 05:59 PM
I'm really starting to like it now. :drool:

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jenksme
01-24-2006, 06:51 PM
Are the people who are wanting the stadiums out by the race track from Kansas? My guess would be yes they are. I wonder where you people were when the stadiums were built in Jackson Co. Kansans did not have to pay for them, but they sure can reap the benefit of what someone else did. The first thing is to keep the teams, and that means keep them in Missouri. These people that want them moved do you believe that Arrowhead is not one of the best stadium's in the league or not? I am tired of this argument about moving the baseball stadium to downtown or the Chiefs to Ks. Just like Kevin Keitzman you can accept the benefit that Jackson County has provided, but by god when the time comes to gripe about how the benefit has been or is going to be provided, you find every oppurtunity to be condescending and critical. I hope the Chiefs or the Royals never go to Kansas. The stadiums are fine and will be even better if the are refurbished, so leave it alone.