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HC_Chief
01-23-2006, 08:44 AM
With Seattle going to the SB this year, it makes this stat official: EVERY SINGLE AFCW TEAM <i>OTHER</i> THAN THE KC CHIEFS HAS HAD AT LEAST <b>ONE</B> SUPERBOWL APPEARANCE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CARL PETERSON'S TENURE. :grr:
True, Seattle is now in the NFC, but they were AFCW when Peterson took the wheel.

In the same time period only Detroit and New Orleans have been as pathetic, playoff-wise.

So CP gets a fat new contract? Where do I apply for this job? Requirements: behave like a conceited ass, bray about ticket sales, continually increase parking and ticket prices, denegrate the media and fanbase, get PAID, and worry not about results on the field. Think I could do that for a cool $mil, or four.

4321

siberian khatru
01-23-2006, 08:46 AM
I know what you're saying, but I'm reluctant to hang Seattle on Carl. Moving to the NFC improved Seattle's chances of a Super Bowl, IMO. It's become an apples and oranges comparison. Bottom line, Seattle was unable to even win a playoff game when they were in the AFC during Carl's tenure.

ChiefsFan4Life
01-23-2006, 08:48 AM
I know what you're saying, but I'm reluctant to hang Seattle on Carl. Moving to the NFC improved Seattle's chances of a Super Bowl, IMO. It's become an apples and oranges comparison. Bottom line, Seattle was unable to even win a playoff game when they were in the AFC during Carl's tenure.

Yeah, put the Chiefs in Seattle's division and who knows what could have happened...

HC_Chief
01-23-2006, 08:48 AM
Irrelevant. Fact of the matter is they did it!

No excuses are acceptable. This team under CP has FAILED to make a SB. Hell, it has been TWELVE YEARS since we even SNIFFED a SB appearance. :grr:

Hoover
01-23-2006, 08:49 AM
If the Chiefs were in the NFC we would have made it to multiple SBs (this year and 2003)

HC_Chief
01-23-2006, 08:49 AM
If the Chiefs were in the NFC we would have made it to multiple SBs (this year and 2003)

Yeah, we fared REAL well against our NFC opponents this year :rolleyes:

Simply Red
01-23-2006, 08:51 AM
I know what you're saying, but I'm reluctant to hang Seattle on Carl. Moving to the NFC improved Seattle's chances of a Super Bowl, IMO. It's become an apples and oranges comparison. Bottom line, Seattle was unable to even win a playoff game when they were in the AFC during Carl's tenure.

Valid.

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 08:52 AM
carl said himself its more important to have a winning season.

KCChiefsFan88
01-23-2006, 08:55 AM
Carl and Lamar's "Super Bowl" is making $$$$$$ and selling out Arrowhead year after year.

donkhater
01-23-2006, 09:00 AM
Not only that, but an expansion franchise (Carolina) has made it to 3 conference championship games in the last 9 years while KC has 2 playoff appearances total.

HMc
01-23-2006, 09:02 AM
If the Chiefs were in the NFC we would have made it to multiple SBs (this year and 2003)

1-3 in the NFC this year.

The chiefs had plenty of chances to make the playoffs as an AFC team, for god's sake. When you don't take those chances you can't expect to make the SB.

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 09:02 AM
Not only that, but an expansion franchise (Carolina) has made it to 3 conference championship games in the last 9 years while KC has 2 playoff appearances total.

how many playoffs berths for the Jags.

Hoover
01-23-2006, 09:05 AM
Um if we were in the NFC we would have also been able to play their shitty teams as well.

NYG, and DAL were good teams in the NFC, Philly when we played them where still good, and we should have won all of those games.

Messier
01-23-2006, 09:06 AM
carl said himself its more important to have a winning season.


No, that's what Joe Posnanski said what Carl feels takling about how if given the choice of playoff seasons year in and year out with no guarantee of a super bowl or a superbowl but five 4 win seasons after that he would take the playoffs every year and hope to make the superbowl. There wasn't a quote from Carl about that.

HMc
01-23-2006, 09:10 AM
Um if we were in the NFC we would have also been able to play their shitty teams as well.

NYG, and DAL were good teams in the NFC, Philly when we played them where still good, and we should have won all of those games.

Which is exactly my point. They had opportunities to win and didn't. It's this sort of failure that leads to watching the january games from the comfort of your couch, rather than playing in them. If the chiefs couldn't roll the 5th seed, or two teams that didn't make the playoffs, i don't see how they could have matched it with seattle, carolina or chicago. Not on the road, at least.

Conference dominance comes and goes, how long was the NFC's SB streak until the broncos won it?

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 09:12 AM
No, that's what Joe Posnanski said what Carl feels takling about how if given the choice of playoff seasons year in and year out with no guarantee of a super bowl or a superbowl but five 4 win seasons after that he would take the playoffs every year and hope to make the superbowl. There wasn't a quote from Carl about that.
What?

BigChiefFan
01-23-2006, 09:13 AM
We AREN'T in the NFC, so why all the hypothetical what-ifs? The bottomline is we haven't won a playoff game in over a decade, but ownership couldn't be happier with the job Carl is doing. It's depressing to think our team has sucked for as long as they have and the powers that be are content.

Dr. Van Halen
01-23-2006, 09:14 AM
No, that's what Joe Posnanski said what Carl feels takling about how if given the choice of playoff seasons year in and year out with no guarantee of a super bowl or a superbowl but five 4 win seasons after that he would take the playoffs every year and hope to make the superbowl. There wasn't a quote from Carl about that.

Messier, how dare you bring truth into this! CP is evil, therefore the Chiefs suck!

Now, can we talk about baseball or golf?

Sincerely,
D. Clinkscale

ps -- I am very smart (compared to other broadcasters in this building)

HMc
01-23-2006, 09:19 AM
One of the problems, in my opinion, is that the cardinals, saints and 49ers (for example) will make not a whole lot less profit than the Seahawks, Steelers and Broncos. Most of the cash is the even split from the DGR, and it doesn't provide financial incentive to win. Football teams are expensive businesses and owners may well want a return, every season.

If the after-costs money was split proportionally to performance (i.e. reverse of the draft order) (so a team covers its costs but they have to win to profit), you'd see the Cardinals winning more games and the Chiefs winning more playoff games.

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 09:25 AM
One of the problems, in my opinion, is that the cardinals, saints and 49ers (for example) will make not a whole lot less profit than the Seahawks, Steelers and Broncos. Most of the cash is the even split from the DGR, and it doesn't provide financial incentive to win. Football teams are expensive businesses and owners may well want a return, every season.

If the after-costs money was split proportionally to performance (i.e. reverse of the draft order) (so a team covers its costs but they have to win to profit), you'd see the Cardinals winning more games and the Chiefs winning more playoff games.

thats one of the best cop-outs ive ever read.

Thanks for clearing that up MR. Peterson.

ChiTown
01-23-2006, 09:33 AM
Yeah, we fared REAL well against our NFC opponents this year :rolleyes:

No chit.

1-3, and we lost to Philly at Home!!!!!!!!!

HMc
01-23-2006, 09:41 AM
thats one of the best cop-outs ive ever read.

Thanks for clearing that up MR. Peterson.

Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

greg63
01-23-2006, 09:55 AM
With Seattle going to the SB this year, it makes this stat official: EVERY SINGLE AFCW TEAM OTHER THAN THE KC CHIEFS HAS HAD AT LEAST ONE SUPERBOWL APPEARANCE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CARL PETERSON'S TENURE. :grr:...



Hey, he's only in his fifteenth year of his five year plan to get there; give the poor guy a chance. :p


I really don't understand Hunt's infatuation with the guy.

htismaqe
01-23-2006, 09:58 AM
I really don't understand Hunt's infatuation with the guy.

$$$

ChiTown
01-23-2006, 10:02 AM
Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 10:04 AM
Cop out? WTF are you on about? I'm pointing out that there are greater financial incentives associated with having constant 9-7, 10-6 seasons, than there are with going 4-12 for a couple of years then winning the superbowl. That seems the accepted wisdom, anyway.

Change that, however you want to do it, and i'd bet that a) some of the perrenial cellar dwellers would start to perform, and b) the chiefs would start pushing into the playoffs. But then there might be 3-13 seasons aswell.

Its all about SB wins dude. Ive never heard a coach say "well its ok we suck cause we still made money through the CBA"
ever see a player or coach wearing a runners up SB ring?

Its all about SB wins.

Nzoner
01-23-2006, 10:07 AM
That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

Well put and the reason I'm done "buying" into the hype of a winning season.

greg63
01-23-2006, 10:08 AM
$$$

AAHH yes; I was operating under the assumption that a SB was a priority for Lamar, and forgot about the money factor.

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan
01-23-2006, 10:10 AM
That's been the problem with the Chiefs for a while. We haven't been willing to field a 3-13 type team, for fear of fan retaliation (poor attendance). No, what we did was to put band aids on broken pipes for the last 8+ years (since the 1998 playoff game against Denver). It's called false hope. The Chiefs have been selling winning seasons since the early 1990's, but the product has no guts to it. No playoff wins in the last 12 years? Are you fuggin kidding me?

I don't wanna hear from CP how fuggin close we are, have been, going be to being a SB contender. We're no closer to that objective than we were when CP took over the Management of this Franchise in the late 80's. Seattle going to the SB just emphasizes how FN pathetic we truely have been.

well put

ChiTown
01-23-2006, 10:16 AM
AAHH yes; I was operating under the assumption that a SB was a priority for Lamar, and forgot about the money factor.

Don't kid yourself. Lamar want's another SB in the worse way, hell, I'm sure he'd like to see the Chiefs name on his own Trophy (AFC Champs) before he dies. But, CP has convinced him that he's doing the right things (winning, making money, selling out the stadium, etc.) and it will eventually get him the SB. What he hasn't been completely truthful about is that his system doesn't work beyond the regular season. When the rubber meets the road, his system fails to perform. I'm sad to say that the owner purchased the same fools gold we've all been buying for the last 15+ years.

WE WUZ ROOOOOOOOOOOOOBBED! :p

htismaqe
01-23-2006, 10:23 AM
Don't kid yourself. Lamar want's another SB in the worse way, hell, I'm sure he'd like to see the Chiefs name on his own Trophy (AFC Champs) before he dies. But, CP has convinced him that he's doing the right things (winning, making money, selling out the stadium, etc.) and it will eventually get him the SB. What he hasn't been completely truthful about is that his system doesn't work beyond the regular season. When the rubber meets the road, his system fails to perform. I'm sad to say that the owner purchased the same fools gold we've all been buying for the last 15+ years.

WE WUZ ROOOOOOOOOOOOOBBED! :p

The only problem I have with that theory, if you want to call it that, is that it's been FIFTEEN years.

Is Lamar really that gullible? Or is the money/sales enough to offset the disappointment when it comes to winning?

KCTitus
01-23-2006, 10:25 AM
So CP gets a fat new contract? Where do I apply for this job? Requirements: behave like a conceited ass, bray about ticket sales, continually increase parking and ticket prices, denegrate the media and fanbase, get PAID, and worry not about results on the field. Think I could do that for a cool $mil, or four.

LOL...Good news! Carl stated this is his last 4 years. I'd get that resume handy. Save all your BB correspondence to prove your experience to handle job now so that in 4 years, you'll have a veritable catalog of how to put together a SB winning team.

Applications will be taken at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Good Luck :thumb:

htismaqe
01-23-2006, 10:28 AM
LOL...Good news! Carl stated this is his last 4 years. I'd get that resume handy. Save all your BB correspondence to prove your experience to handle job now so that in 4 years, you'll have a veritable catalog of how to put together a SB winning team.

Applications will be taken at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Good Luck :thumb:

Actually, apps will be taken in Texas.

Lamar doesn't care about KC.

Nzoner
01-23-2006, 10:29 AM
Is Lamar really that gullible? Or is the money/sales enough to offset the disappointment when it comes to winning?

Good point,personally I think you have to look no further than some of these players that after a big loss are smiling.laughing etc.Not that I'll ever know but I'm sure millions and millions of dollars can help ease the pain of winning it all.

KCTitus
01-23-2006, 10:31 AM
Actually, apps will be taken in Texas.

Lamar doesn't care about KC.

Carl told me that they would hold the interviews at Arrowhead to give the impression that he did care. It's all part of his master plot to trick those fans who really know that Lamar doesnt care about them to spend their money anyway on the Chiefs.

morphius
01-23-2006, 10:37 AM
The only problem I have with that theory, if you want to call it that, is that it's been FIFTEEN years.

Is Lamar really that gullible? Or is the money/sales enough to offset the disappointment when it comes to winning?
With as long as he kept the last GM who did nothing, I expect that while Lamar would like to win the SB again I think that he is most proud of the fact that he helped bring the NFL and AFL together, getting his name on the AFC trophy and getting to SB I and winning SB IV, then he is worried about getting to the SB again. He is happy to have a team that can beat someone on any given Sunday and is happy that his team has become such a big deal in KC.

chefsos
01-23-2006, 10:46 AM
Here ya go, fire away. Credits to George Blowfish for the pic, though you can sub one of your choice.

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&control=on&url=http://www.georgeblowfish.com/kingcarl.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full

HMc
01-23-2006, 07:54 PM
Its all about SB wins dude. Ive never heard a coach say "well its ok we suck cause we still made money through the CBA"
ever see a player or coach wearing a runners up SB ring?

Its all about SB wins.

Rhetoric. What motivates Lamar, we are never going to know. But a 17 year tenure (and counting) for the GM which includes one trip to the AFC championship game and bugger all else, suggests to me that Hunt has other priorites. Or that he'd like a SB win but he's not prepared to forego the status quo of winning season after winning season to get one.

I'm not saying that the coaches and players don't work their guts out each and every season.

Otter
01-23-2006, 08:03 PM
Stop spending money on the team. Arrowhead is sold out every home game, why would they change what they're doing?




"but they'll move" in 3...2...1...

Halfcan
01-23-2006, 08:04 PM
Here ya go, fire away. Credits to George Blowfish for the pic, though you can sub one of your choice.

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&control=on&url=http://www.georgeblowfish.com/kingcarl.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full
Nice one.

Saulbadguy
01-23-2006, 08:25 PM
Big ****in whoop. We haven't won a Super bowl. Haven't even been to one. I've still been entertained over the years, and that is what we are paying for, entertainment. I want the team I root for to win a championship as much as the next guy, but my place as a fan is to be there and support the team through the thick and the thin. I'm not going to pull my support just because we don't win the big one.

Just keep bitching about Carl. It'll do wonders for your health. :rolleyes:

Nzoner
01-23-2006, 08:42 PM
Big ****in whoop. We haven't won a Super bowl. Haven't even been to one. I've still been entertained over the years, and that is what we are paying for, entertainment. I want the team I root for to win a championship as much as the next guy, but my place as a fan is to be there and support the team through the thick and the thin. I'm not going to pull my support just because we don't win the big one.

Just keep bitching about Carl. It'll do wonders for your health. :rolleyes:

It's okay you're young yet.

As for me I'd like to clarify one thing,I'm not pulling my support,I love the Chiefs,I'm just pulling my upfront cash for season tickets.

Simplex3
01-23-2006, 08:46 PM
Yeah, put the Chiefs in Seattle's division and who knows what could have happened...
One thing's for sure, ticket and parking prices would be up.

Otter
01-23-2006, 08:48 PM
Big ****in whoop. We haven't won a Super bowl. Haven't even been to one. I've still been entertained over the years, and that is what we are paying for, entertainment. I want the team I root for to win a championship as much as the next guy, but my place as a fan is to be there and support the team through the thick and the thin. I'm not going to pull my support just because we don't win the big one.

Just keep bitching about Carl. It'll do wonders for your health. :rolleyes:

You're such a good little soldier. (pat, pat)

Mecca
01-23-2006, 08:49 PM
I'm ready to see the reaction if they don't agree to a collective bargaining agreement and 2007 becomes an uncapped year.

Then Lamar won't be spending any money at all because you'll really have to pay for players. The Chiefs would become the Royals........

Simplex3
01-23-2006, 08:59 PM
"but they'll move" in 3...2...1...
ROFL

Smed1065
01-23-2006, 09:06 PM
Carl told me that they would hold the interviews at Arrowhead to give the impression that he did care. It's all part of his master plot to trick those fans who really know that Lamar doesnt care about them to spend their money anyway on the Chiefs.

The only reason they are being held at Arrowhead is so they can charge you for parking!

ROFL

greg63
01-24-2006, 12:59 PM
The only problem I have with that theory, if you want to call it that, is that it's been FIFTEEN years.

Is Lamar really that gullible? Or is the money/sales enough to offset the disappointment when it comes to winning?


Yup.



Here ya go, fire away. Credits to George Blowfish for the pic, though you can sub one of your choice.

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&control=on&url=http://www.georgeblowfish.com/kingcarl.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full


I love it! :D

Calcountry
01-24-2006, 01:38 PM
Um if we were in the NFC we would have also been able to play their shitty teams as well.

NYG, and DAL were good teams in the NFC, Philly when we played them where still good, and we should have won all of those games.Yeah, just look at how good Chigago did in that conference.

Calcountry
01-24-2006, 01:42 PM
Rhetoric. What motivates Lamar, we are never going to know. But a 17 year tenure (and counting) for the GM which includes one trip to the AFC championship game and bugger all else, suggests to me that Hunt has other priorites. Or that he'd like a SB win but he's not prepared to forego the status quo of winning season after winning season to get one.

I'm not saying that the coaches and players don't work their guts out each and every season.Or, he thinks it is all just luck when you get to the playoff level anyway, and we have just had dumb luck.

And spending a few more million dollars wouldn't guarantee anything anyway, so why waste the money.