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Chiefnj
01-23-2006, 02:26 PM
Per kcchiefs.com

Player....Pressures.......Sacks

Allen......54.................11
Hicks......31.................4
Browning..25................2
Wilkerson..24................0
Dalton......19................1
Hall..........17................1
Siavii........3.................0
Sims.........9.................0

ChiefsfaninPA
01-23-2006, 02:33 PM
Didn't need to see stats to realize how awful they were.

Frazod
01-23-2006, 02:35 PM
Main reason we didn't make the playoffs = these f#cking assclowns - Allen

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Hoover
01-23-2006, 02:36 PM
2006 D Line

John Abraham
Ryan Simms
Browning
Jared Allen

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 02:42 PM
John Abraham?

Yeah, that's the ticket...let's get killed in run defense.

htismaqe
01-23-2006, 02:46 PM
I'd prefer to draft a DE over picking up Abraham, his attitude, and his salary.

HemiEd
01-23-2006, 02:46 PM
2006 D Line

John Abraham
Ryan Simms
Browning
Jared Allen


Where is Vlad? :rolleyes:

FringeNC
01-23-2006, 02:55 PM
Are we going to bet another season that Ryan Sims becomes a good player? Are Sims, Hicks, and Browning worth their cap numbers?

Chiefnj
01-23-2006, 02:58 PM
You have to keep in mind that pressures aren't an official stat and teams usually inflate those numbers a bit. In years past the Chiefs used to really bump up the pressures.

Cochise
01-23-2006, 03:00 PM
We already have Allen, there's no need to add Abraham too.

Hicks is serviceable against the run.

What we really need is a dominating DT to line up beside Sims.

Reaper16
01-23-2006, 03:01 PM
We already have Allen, there's no need to add Abraham too.

Hicks is serviceable against the run.

What we really need is a dominating DT to line up beside Sims.
:clap:

Idahored
01-23-2006, 03:02 PM
I'm willing to see how Ryan does next year if he can stay healthy. Since he basicly missed the season this year you can't really make a judgement on him. He had to sit around most of the season with the bum foot and didn't really have the time to get back to the shape he was in that first game. Since he kept his weight down during the injury I am willing to see if he will continue to give the effort he did during training camp this season.

As for Siavii, I hope our new HC and DL coach can kick some drive into his lazy butt.

However, what I really want is a good DT draft pick or FA pickup. We need help in the DL. We could really use a DT and a DE to compliment Allen.

Halfcan
01-23-2006, 03:03 PM
Browning is a descent player, but he really didn't do much last year-time for a change. I mean 19 sacks for the whole group-take out Allen's numbers and you get 8 sacks for 16 games. I would like to see all of them gone.

tk13
01-23-2006, 03:05 PM
You have to keep in mind that pressures aren't an official stat and teams usually inflate those numbers a bit. In years past the Chiefs used to really bump up the pressures.
The Wilkerson one was kinda surprising, but they aren't outrageous. Hicks was 2nd, but that's still only 2 pressures a game. It's not exactly making him look like Reggie White.

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 03:49 PM
Siavii is a bust of monstrous proportions. He's not even young, either. Maybe the worst draft pick ever.

DJJasonp
01-23-2006, 03:57 PM
You have to keep in mind that pressures aren't an official stat and teams usually inflate those numbers a bit. In years past the Chiefs used to really bump up the pressures.


Yeah, but in years past, we actually did pressure the quarterback....

el borracho
01-23-2006, 03:59 PM
Please, please, please let the Chiefs find talented Dline players this offseason making Hicks and Browning obsolete.

Halfcan
01-23-2006, 04:16 PM
Please, please, please let the Chiefs find talented Dline players this offseason making Hicks and Browning obsolete.


They have been obsolete for years.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 04:23 PM
John Abraham?

Yeah, that's the ticket...let's get killed in run defense.

Once again...........you do not need a hulking DE to play the run, that's a misconceptiion. I emplore you to go take a look at the Tampa Bay DE's like I have before, to prove this point.

If you wanna argue that he'll cost to much, that's probably likely. Atttitude. eh, I can deal with an attitude from a guy who's a top 5 DE when he's on.

Hoover
01-23-2006, 04:35 PM
Once again...........you do not need a hulking DE to play the run, that's a misconceptiion. I emplore you to go take a look at the Tampa Bay DE's like I have before, to prove this point.

If you wanna argue that he'll cost to much, that's probably likely. Atttitude. eh, I can deal with an attitude from a guy who's a top 5 DE when he's on.
Yep.

I want my DTs to stop the run, and my DE's to get to the QB. I think we have to give Sims another year as a starter. While Hicks might be solid, he's old and has no up side. There is not a DT who is a Free Agent who will be a huge updgrade. We are not going to be able to get a top DT in the draft, and heck our history drafting that position sucks ass. So where else can we improve on Defense? DE oppisite of Allen, and at FS.

MOhillbilly
01-23-2006, 04:36 PM
UFA
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3680

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 05:02 PM
Once again...........you do not need a hulking DE to play the run, that's a misconceptiion. I emplore you to go take a look at the Tampa Bay DE's like I have before, to prove this point.


Tampa runs the Cover 2. I doubt we're installing it.

We'll get killed if we have Allen and Abraham on the D-line.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Tampa runs the Cover 2. I doubt we're installing it.

We'll get killed if we have Allen and Abraham on the D-line.

Would you draft Tambi Hali, Mathias Kiwanuka or Elvis Dumervil? If so none of those guys are currently bigger than Abraham..........Kiwanuka will be in a few years but he's not now.

Simplex3
01-23-2006, 05:12 PM
We already have Allen, there's no need to add Abraham too.

Hicks is serviceable against the run.

What we really need is a dominating DT to line up beside Sims.
What we need is for Sims to actually play. That f**ker gets a pulled labia or some other nonsense injury every other game.

Hoover
01-23-2006, 05:16 PM
I think Grady Jackson's Huge Ass next to Sims huge ass would be nice.

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 05:36 PM
Would you draft Tambi Hali, Mathias Kiwanuka or Elvis Dumervil? If so none of those guys are currently bigger than Abraham..........Kiwanuka will be in a few years but he's not now.

I wouldn't draft any of them. I'd draft a DT, because Carl doesn't have the balls to make a dynamite trade for one (see Shanahan), and FA DTs rarely work out.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 05:41 PM
Are you saying if Kiwanuka is on the board at our pick, you wouldn't pick him?

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 05:44 PM
Are you saying if Kiwanuka is on the board at our pick, you wouldn't pick him?

No. We HAVE a weakside pass rusher. We need a pocket pushing defensive tackle.

Edit: I guess maybe I'd be in favor of drafting him. He probably wouldn't be an every-down defensive end, and he'd cost less than Abraham of course.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 05:48 PM
No. We HAVE a weakside pass rusher. We need a pocket pushing defensive tackle.

Kiwanuka is 6'7 he's going to be a guy who plays at 290-300lbs in a few years. This idea that "we can't take him because we have Allen" is ludicrious. If Kiwanuka is there when the Chiefs pick, that should be the pick hands down. The only DT's in this draft that fill the type of need the Chiefs have are Haloti Ngata, who won't be there when we pick. The other is Gabe Watson who has question marks all around him.

The fact that you'd pass on a player like Kiwanuka because you feel we must have this other position, is how you have bad drafts. I guess you don't want Julius Peppers either cause we already have our "speed rusher" :rolleyes:

I'm glad you aren't a GM with logic like this.

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 05:56 PM
ROFL

OK I was wrong. But John Abraham isn't the answer. He'd demand every-down type money and would not be suited for the role.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 06:03 PM
You're basing far to much off of his size than his talent........Dwight Freeney plays every day, Simeon Rice plays every down. Jason Taylor, Jevon Kearse, if you wanna tell me Abraham is to expensive that's a legit arguement.

But to say "we don't need him cause we have Allen" is simply stupid in my view.

Hell, maybe we should switch to a cover 2, the few good players on D we have could play in it.

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 06:05 PM
You're basing far to much off of his size than his talent........Dwight Freeney plays every day, Simeon Rice plays every down. Jason Taylor, Jevon Kearse, if you wanna tell me Abraham is to expensive that's a legit arguement.

But to say "we don't need him cause we have Allen" is simply stupid in my view.

Hell, maybe we should switch to a cover 2, the few good players on D we have could play in it.

If we switch to a cover 2 then that's fine...but I don't think we retained Gunther for that purpose.

Mecca
01-23-2006, 06:07 PM
Mitchell, Johnson, Fox, Allen. They can play in a cover 2.....so that would also allow us to dump the Barber and Bell contracts. We'd need a new FS but we need that anyway.

We probably won't switch to cover 2 but it probably would have been a good idea when you look at our personel.

Count Alex's Wins
01-23-2006, 06:08 PM
Mitchell, Johnson, Fox, Allen. They can play in a cover 2.....so that would also allow us to dump the Barber and Bell contracts. We'd need a new FS but we need that anyway.

We probably won't switch to cover 2 but it probably would have been a good idea when you look at our personel.

We would absolutely have to get a DT in here.

DAMMIT CARL!!!

Mecca
01-23-2006, 06:11 PM
We would absolutely have to get a DT in here.

DAMMIT CARL!!!

Once again.........we need that anyway.

milkman
01-23-2006, 08:16 PM
The Wilkerson one was kinda surprising, but they aren't outrageous. Hicks was 2nd, but that's still only 2 pressures a game. It's not exactly making him look like Reggie White.

Wilkerson one surprising, because the number of pressures are so low?

He's another guy that is being utilized in the wrong position.
He's 280 lbs, and they have him in the DT rotation?
That's just rediculous.

Move him over to Hicks spot.
He's younger, quicker and faster.

My money says he'd be far more productive.

jiveturkey
01-23-2006, 08:19 PM
Adios Dalton.

penchief
01-24-2006, 08:03 AM
If Tamba Hali was still there when we picked I think we'd be foolish not to take him. Anyone who's seen any PSU games this year can tell you he is a factor on just about every passing play. It's been a while since I've seen one guy consistently create so much havoc. He lives in the other teams backfield. Also, I believe he plays opposite Jared Allen (LDE).

Also, Browning is at the tail end of his career. However, he has not been obsolete for years. IMO, if he had been allowed to play his best position, DE, for his entire career he may have established himself quite nicely. He has consistently been our best defensive lineman over the past few years. Unfortunately for him, because the defense could plug him in anywhere that he was needed most and be able to count on him doing his usual steady job, he never got the chance to excel. If he had played alongside other decent players he would have had a very nice career for the chiefs, IMO.

htismaqe
01-24-2006, 08:30 AM
If you draft Kiwi planning that he will gain 40 pounds, then you might as well pencil him as a 4-year project at DT, rather than DE.

Chiefnj
01-24-2006, 08:41 AM
Why would anyone think Kiwanuka is going to gain 40lbs? Why would anyone think Kiwanuka would gain 40lbs and still be an effective DE? He's a speed rusher.

Mr. Kotter
01-24-2006, 08:45 AM
Any thoughts on the Raven's DT who's gonna be a free agent; reminds me of a young Ted Washington--looked pretty good the times I saw him this last year....if nothing else, you gotta love the potential of his name. Heh.

92 Maake Kemoeatu
Position Defensive Tackle
Experience 4
Height 6-5
Weight 350
College Utah
High School Kahuku (HI)
Hometown Kahuku, HI
Birthdate 01/10/1979
Joined Ravens 2002
Joined NFL 2002

Transactions:
Maake Kemoeatu re-signed with the Baltimore Ravens on 4/5/05...Re-signed with the Ravens on 6/2/04...Originally signed with Baltimore as a rookie free agent on 4/26/02.

Highlights:
Strong, massive run-stuffer with a non-stop motor...Good athlete with good balance and strength, who played in 14 games in 2004, starting 3, while netting a career-high 48 tackles...Played in 15 regular season games, starting 1, and subbed in the Ravens' postseason contest in 2003...Recorded 24 tackles (14 solo), 1 sack and 1 PD in the regular season and 2 solo tackles in the playoffs...Saw action in 16 games, starting 1, after making the team as a rookie free agent...Posted 32 tackles and 2 sacks in 2002.

Pro Career:
2004: Played in 14 games, starting 3, and seeing the most action of his 3-year NFL career...Tallied a career-high 48 tackles, including 27 solo stops, as a regular contributor to the Ravens' interior DL...Started in place of injured NT Kelly Gregg in the 30-13 victory over the Steelers in game 2, helping Pittsburgh to its only loss of the regular season...Tallied 5 tackles and helped hold the Steelers under 100 yards rushing...Started at NT and led the DL with a career-high 8 tackles in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)...2004 SEASON HIGHLIGHTS: Returned from a calf injury and netted 5 tackles, including 4 solo in game 15 at Pit. (12/26)...Was inactive (calf) in games 13 and 14...Saw action off the bench and tied for DL lead with 6 tackles (4 solo) and 1 QB hit in game 12 vs. Cin. (12/5)...Saw action off the bench and recorded 5 tackles, including 3 solo in the 30-10 win in game 10 vs. Dal. (11/21)...Started at NT and led the DL with a career-high 8 tackles in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)...Started his 3rd-career game, filling in for the injured Kelly Gregg and plugged the middle, helping to hold the Steelers under 100 yards rushing in 30-13 win in game 2 vs. Pit. (9/19)...Kemo posted 5 tackles and 3 QB hits against the Steelers.

2003: Played in 15 regular season games, starting 1, and subbed in the Ravens' postseason contest in 2003...Recorded 24 tackles (14 solo), 1 sack and 2 PD in the regular season, and 2 solo tackles in the playoffs...2003 SEASON HIGHLIGHTS: Saw extensive action from scrimmage and responded with 5 solo tackles and his 1st sack of the season (-7 yards) in game 15 at Cle. (12/21)...Posted 3 tackles and was tough against the run in extended action in game 10 at Mia. (11/16)...Subbed and posted 2 tackles in game 5 at Ari. (10/12)...Saw action from scrimmage and on special teams in game 4 vs. KC (9/28)...Posted 2 assisted tackles and 1 QB hit in the 24-10 win in game 3 at SD (9/21)...Had 2 tackles (1 solo) in 33-13 win in game 2 vs. Cle. (9/14).

2002: Saw action in 16 games, starting 1, after making the team as a rookie free agent...Recorded 32 tackles (20 solo) and 2 sacks (-6 yards) in 2002...2002 SEASON TOTAL: Subbed and recorded 3 solo tackles and 1 sack (2 yards) in game 16 at Pit. (12/29)...Came off the bench to record 1 assisted tackle in game 15 vs. Cle. (12/22)...Subbed and recorded 4 tackles in 38-27 win in game 9 vs. Cin. (11/10)...Came off the bench and recorded 3 tackles in game 8 at Atl. (11/3)...Had 3 tackles (all solo), including his 1st-career sack against the Colts...Also had a QB pressure on Peyton Manning, forcing an INT by S Anthony Mitchell...Posted 2 tackles while starting at DE in his 1st NFL game in the season opener at Car. (9/8).

htismaqe
01-24-2006, 08:46 AM
Why would anyone think Kiwanuka is going to gain 40lbs? Why would anyone think Kiwanuka would gain 40lbs and still be an effective DE? He's a speed rusher.

That was pretty much my response to Mecca's post in the Senior Bowl thread.

Kiwi is a speed rusher that happens to be 6'7" tall. He's gonna play at 260 lbs. or thereabouts.

Try to put weight on him and you turn him into a guy that basically nullified his one gift - speed rushing.

Dr. Van Halen
01-24-2006, 08:49 AM
We need a Great Big Fat Guy at DT with a few years under his belt.

Junior may one day develop into the Fat Guy of the Future that we all hoped he would be -- but I very seriously doubt it will be with the Chiefs if it happens.

Sims is meant to be the explosive DT -- but those only work when there is a Great Big Fat Guy next to them. Browning and Wilkerson are both listed under 300 lbs.

Frankly, I would rather pick up a reliable FA Fat Guy.

Here are FA's (from http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=149256):
DT’s

UFA’s

1)Larry Tripplet Ind
2)Maa’ke Kemeatu Bal
3)Ron Edwards Atl
4)Grady Jackson GB
5)Ryan Pickett Stl
6)Damione Lewis Stl
7)Lional Dalton KC
8)Chris Hovan TB
9)Willie Whitehead NO
10)Monsanto Pope Den
11)Edward Jasper Oak
12)Justin Bannan Buf
13)Kendrick Clancy NYG
14)Rob Meier Jax
15)Langston Moore Cin
16)Cedric Killings
17)Rocky Bernard
18)Travis Hall Sf

RFA’s

1)Jordan Cartsens Car
2)Kindal Moorehead Car
3)Terdell Sands Oak

htismaqe
01-24-2006, 08:50 AM
Any thoughts on the Raven's DT who's gonna be a free agent; reminds me of a young Ted Washington--looked pretty good the times I saw him this last year....if nothing else, you gotta love the potential of his last name. Heh.

92 Maake Kemoeatu
Position Defensive Tackle
Experience 4
Height 6-5
Weight 350
College Utah
High School Kahuku (HI)
Hometown Kahuku, HI
Birthdate 01/10/1979
Joined Ravens 2002
Joined NFL 2002

Transactions:
Maake Kemoeatu re-signed with the Baltimore Ravens on 4/5/05...Re-signed with the Ravens on 6/2/04...Originally signed with Baltimore as a rookie free agent on 4/26/02.

Highlights:
Strong, massive run-stuffer with a non-stop motor...Good athlete with good balance and strength, who played in 14 games in 2004, starting 3, while netting a career-high 48 tackles...Played in 15 regular season games, starting 1, and subbed in the Ravens' postseason contest in 2003...Recorded 24 tackles (14 solo), 1 sack and 1 PD in the regular season and 2 solo tackles in the playoffs...Saw action in 16 games, starting 1, after making the team as a rookie free agent...Posted 32 tackles and 2 sacks in 2002.

Pro Career:
2004: Played in 14 games, starting 3, and seeing the most action of his 3-year NFL career...Tallied a career-high 48 tackles, including 27 solo stops, as a regular contributor to the Ravens' interior DL...Started in place of injured NT Kelly Gregg in the 30-13 victory over the Steelers in game 2, helping Pittsburgh to its only loss of the regular season...Tallied 5 tackles and helped hold the Steelers under 100 yards rushing...Started at NT and led the DL with a career-high 8 tackles in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)...2004 SEASON HIGHLIGHTS: Returned from a calf injury and netted 5 tackles, including 4 solo in game 15 at Pit. (12/26)...Was inactive (calf) in games 13 and 14...Saw action off the bench and tied for DL lead with 6 tackles (4 solo) and 1 QB hit in game 12 vs. Cin. (12/5)...Saw action off the bench and recorded 5 tackles, including 3 solo in the 30-10 win in game 10 vs. Dal. (11/21)...Started at NT and led the DL with a career-high 8 tackles in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)...Started his 3rd-career game, filling in for the injured Kelly Gregg and plugged the middle, helping to hold the Steelers under 100 yards rushing in 30-13 win in game 2 vs. Pit. (9/19)...Kemo posted 5 tackles and 3 QB hits against the Steelers.

2003: Played in 15 regular season games, starting 1, and subbed in the Ravens' postseason contest in 2003...Recorded 24 tackles (14 solo), 1 sack and 2 PD in the regular season, and 2 solo tackles in the playoffs...2003 SEASON HIGHLIGHTS: Saw extensive action from scrimmage and responded with 5 solo tackles and his 1st sack of the season (-7 yards) in game 15 at Cle. (12/21)...Posted 3 tackles and was tough against the run in extended action in game 10 at Mia. (11/16)...Subbed and posted 2 tackles in game 5 at Ari. (10/12)...Saw action from scrimmage and on special teams in game 4 vs. KC (9/28)...Posted 2 assisted tackles and 1 QB hit in the 24-10 win in game 3 at SD (9/21)...Had 2 tackles (1 solo) in 33-13 win in game 2 vs. Cle. (9/14).

2002: Saw action in 16 games, starting 1, after making the team as a rookie free agent...Recorded 32 tackles (20 solo) and 2 sacks (-6 yards) in 2002...2002 SEASON TOTAL: Subbed and recorded 3 solo tackles and 1 sack (2 yards) in game 16 at Pit. (12/29)...Came off the bench to record 1 assisted tackle in game 15 vs. Cle. (12/22)...Subbed and recorded 4 tackles in 38-27 win in game 9 vs. Cin. (11/10)...Came off the bench and recorded 3 tackles in game 8 at Atl. (11/3)...Had 3 tackles (all solo), including his 1st-career sack against the Colts...Also had a QB pressure on Peyton Manning, forcing an INT by S Anthony Mitchell...Posted 2 tackles while starting at DE in his 1st NFL game in the season opener at Car. (9/8).

Free agent DT's very rarely work out. I'd take a flyer on him, but I wouldn't plan on him being any better than Lionel Dalton.

Mr. Kotter
01-24-2006, 08:51 AM
Lewis and Hovan, under the right circumstances with some coaching, might also be worth considering...

Mr. Kotter
01-24-2006, 08:53 AM
Free agent DT's very rarely work out. I'd take a flyer on him, but I wouldn't plan on him being any better than Lionel Dalton.

Dalton of 2004, I'd be willing to give a try.... .

I mean, we haven't had great luck in the draft; and DT doesn't seem to be a real good position in this year's draft from what I'm seeing.... :hmmm:

RedThat
01-24-2006, 09:05 AM
Dalton of 2004, I'd be willing to give a try.... .

I mean, we haven't had great luck in the draft; and DT doesn't seem to be a real good position in this year's draft from what I'm seeing.... :hmmm:

No not really.

There are some good prospects. Haloti Ngata, Roderick Wright, Gabe Watson, Claude Wroten, Broderick Bunkley

Cherryontop
01-24-2006, 08:20 PM
i dont like this crop at all..say just that one guy haganati..or hoever u spel it...the rest seem like reaches..not a good year at all....jmo...

Deberg_1990
01-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Are we going to bet another season that Ryan Sims becomes a good player?

Lord I hope not. We should just dump him and cut our losses. Hes NEVER going to be an impact player.

Mr. Kotter
01-24-2006, 08:24 PM
.....There are some good prospects. Haloti Ngata, Roderick Wright, Gabe Watson, Claude Wroten, Broderick Bunkley

Interesting, and I suspect those are names we will be hearing a lot about. From the brief look that I've given at some of the scouting sites, there is a significant question mark or "knock" on every one of them. It depends on who you read, of course. It would appear to me, not ONE of them....not a single one....is considered nearly as promising as a guy named Ryan Sims was a few years back. :)

:shrug: