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NewPhin
01-27-2006, 09:25 AM
Really great article that should be of interest to both sides of the aisle, even though it's from salon.com

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/01/27/lobbying/print.html
The reform charade
Republicans and Democrats alike are touting their pathetic versions of lobbying "reform." Here are five things to look for if you want to know whether they're serious.
By Michael Scherer

Jan. 27, 2006 | Even after pleading guilty to corruption, defrocked lobbyist Jack Abramoff still has a remarkable ability to influence Capitol Hill. Witness in recent weeks the sudden, blustery calls for "reform" by Republican and Democratic leaders alike.

At a press conference last week, endangered Republican Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, who bragged last November about his ties to lobbyists, now claimed he had no close ties to lobbyists. Not to be outdone, Democratic Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, who employs a lobbyist to manage his own fundraising, warned the American people that lobbyists "have infiltrated government." Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who funnels millions of dollars in pork barrel projects to his district each year, announced that the process of doling out such lucre needed reform. Meanwhile Rep. Jim Clyburn, a Democrat who has taken $146,000 in privately funded junkets, including one arranged by Abramoff, announced he would lead his party's "Clean House Task Force" on ethics reform.

It was enough to make your head spin -- as the printing presses rolled, the pundits stirred and all of Washington gave off the impression of a problem being addressed. "We are in a feeding frenzy right now, folks," declared Thomas Mann, a political analyst at the Brookings Institution. "We have seen in the last few days a veritable arms race of proposals to deal with the Abramoff problem."

But all the pomp obscured the narrow scope, and fuzzy focus, of the indignant lawmakers. Rather than tamperproof legislative language, the leaders of both parties offered nothing more than Boy Scout pledges to tinker with the edges of the pay-to-play system. They vowed to rein in lobbyist gifts and privately funded congressional travel. They promised to slow the revolving door that turns politicians into lobbyists with free passes to the congressional gym. Republicans said they would try to shut down the so-called 527 loophole, a funding mechanism that wealthy Democrats in particular have exploited. In apparent response, Democrats vowed to end no-bid contracts for companies like Halliburton.

As an opening salvo, it was not entirely insignificant. But all the rhetoric hardly provided a blueprint for ending the Capitol's "culture of corruption." To do that, congressional leaders will have to go much further. They can begin by taking a good long look in the mirror at their own ties to K Street, the downtown strip of office buildings bursting with more than 30,000 lobbyists. "It's not K Street that's the problem," explained Scott Lilly, formerly the Democratic chief of staff to the House Appropriations Committee. "It is the politicians who have squeezed every dime that they could out of the interests of this country to strengthen their positions with campaign funds." Republican Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico, an appropriations cardinal who is no stranger to the lobbying game, put it a bit more bluntly on Wednesday, "You know part of the problem is us," he told a Senate committee. "We get hooked into this system too."

So what does real reform look like? There is no simple answer or silver bullet. If history is any judge, each round of ethics reforms lasts only a few years before lobbyists, lawyers and lawmakers pierce it full of holes. But ethics crusaders still hope to capitalize on this rare political moment, hurled forth on a powerful wave of corruption scandals plaguing the Republican Party. Lawmakers may just be willing to confront their own failings.

That said, it's still an open question whether the final reforms, which are likely to be passed before the summer, will be anything more than cosmetic. For those keeping score at home, here is a list of five changes to look for in the coming months. If you see some version of them pass the floor of the House or Senate, you will know that the chance for substantial reform has not been wasted on indignant press conferences.

"The Joe Hefley Reform"

Stan Brand, a former Democratic counsel to the House, explains the problem this way: "If people are breaking the speed limit, the way to change that is to give tickets, not change the speed limit."

But in recent years, no one on Capitol Hill, particularly no one on the Ethics Committees, has shown an interest in handing out speeding tickets. With few exceptions, Republicans and Democrats still maintain an unofficial cease-fire, allowing all manner of violations to go unpunished unless federal prosecutors take interest. Part of the problem is that few in Congress want to serve on these enemy-making committees. If they do take the position, they risk banishment for doing their job. No one has forgotten the fate of the last House Ethics Committee chairman, Republican Rep. Joe Hefley of Colorado. A former ranch hand who still raises quarter-horses on the range, he chastised House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for three instances of unethical behavior. Within a year, Hefley was bounced from his chairmanship, though he remains in Congress.

The committees are now entirely AWOL. There have been no ethics inquiries into the Abramoff scandal or into the case of Rep. Duke Cunningham, a Republican of California, who recently pleaded guilty to fraud and conspiracy to commit bribery. Similarly, Rep. William Jefferson, a Louisiana Democrat whose aide has also pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting bribery, has yet to face a congressional investigation. In the face of widespread reports of lawmakers failing to disclose foreign trips or receiving inappropriate gifts, the House Ethics Committee does not even employ a chief of staff.

"The thing we need is not rules, but enforcement of rules," says Michael Surrusco, an official at the good-government group Common Cause. For this reason, outside ethics groups have made the creation of a new, independent congressional Office of Public Integrity their top priority. But the leadership -- both Democratic and Republican -- has largely been silent on the issue. Instead, the leaders continue to stoke the expectations of cynics who believe all the recent browbeating is nothing but show. No matter their merits, reforms don't matter if no one enforces them.

"The Congressional Sportsman's Reform"

One of the key routes for Abramoff's money-laundering operation was a bogus charity for inner-city youth called the Capital Athletic Foundation. The foundation served as a slush fund for Abramoff's friends and golf junkets. Such nonprofits exist in abundance in Washington, and they come in all varieties. At one end of the spectrum, there are legitimate think tanks, organizations like the libertarian-conservative Cato Institute and the left-leaning Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, where politicians will speak on occasion. On the other end are more dubious organizations like Capital Athletic Foundation and the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation.

Never heard of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation? It's the nonprofit arm of the Congressional Sportsman's Caucus, a bipartisan group of lawmakers chaired by Democrats Ben Nelson, Ron Kind and Leonard Boswell and Republican Mike Crapo. The foundation is funded and run by lobbyists, trade groups and corporate sponsors. Its vice chairman is Todd Walker, the top lobbyist for the U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Co., the maker of Skoal and Copenhagen snuff. Its corporate benefactors include Wal-Mart and Lockheed Martin, as well as the National Rifle Association.

Though the group does not lobby directly, its "legislative coordinator," Sidney Allen, says the foundation's purpose is to serve as a "liaison between the sportsmen community and the Legislature." What this really means is that every year members of Congress travel to a shooting range to mingle with lobbyists and bring down clay pigeons. Before his bribery plea, Cunningham got the top score at the 2005 "Congressional Shootout," hitting 65 out of 75 pigeons. Cunningham called his victory "a great reminder of the important role we play in Congress protecting America's outdoor traditions."

The Sportsman's Caucus is by no means alone. As the for-profit watchdog PoliticalMoneyLine points out, many of the more than 300 congressional caucuses funnel corporate money into congressional perks through affiliated nonprofit foundations. Among the top suspects are the Congressional Black Caucus (with funding from Anheuser-Busch, Coca-Cola, Philip Morris), the Congressional Fire Services Caucus (Motorola, State Farm, Raytheon), the Congressional Internet Caucus (America Online, Microsoft, Verizon), and the Congressional Caucus for Women's Issues (General Motors, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals).

These foundations may be restricted under new gift and travel restrictions proposed by the congressional leadership. But it is telling that no one in either party has yet proposed banning the groups outright.

"The Learjet Reform"

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, the favorite to succeed DeLay as leader, used a private bird from restaurant chain Cracker Barrel to fly to a friend's funeral in his home state of Missouri. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist used one from drug company Schering-Plough to attend a fundraiser in Florida. The ranking Democratic leader in the House, Nancy Pelosi, used one from an insurance company, Ullico, to fly her home to San Francisco. The political committee of Republican Rep. Jim McCrery of Louisiana paid for a small fleet of them -- from General Electric, U.S. Smokeless Tobacco, International Game Technology -- to fly guests out for a wine tour in Napa Valley.

They are corporate jets, and they represent one of the most glaring exploitations of the ethics rules. They allow lawmakers to fly like corporate CEOs, while paying commercial airfare rates. Under the current rules, politicians and their staff can travel on private Learjets and Gulfstreams for a fraction of the trip's value. The corporations pay for the ride in exchange for unrestricted access to the lawmakers. The politicians need only reimburse for the price of a first-class ticket. According to a recent review by the Washington Post, congressional leadership used this loophole at least 360 times between 2001 and 2004. Blunt and DeLay were the most frequent fliers.

Sens. Russ Feingold and John McCain have both proposed reforms that would close this loophole, requiring lawmakers to pay for the cost of chartering the jet, not just the cost of a commercial ticket. But then Feingold and McCain are the sort of politicians who often wait years for their proposals to gain traction beyond good-government groups. To date, the highflying Democratic and Republican leadership has done little more than skirt the issue.

"The Organic Legislation Reform"

In theory, Congress creates law through a logical, open process. Specialized committees hold hearings to hash out issues. They draft legislation and send the proposal on to the full Congress, where the bill is debated before a full vote. That's how Congress is supposed to work, anyway.

In recent years, the lawmaking process increasingly takes place in the dead of night, just hours before a bill is scheduled for a final vote. This happened in 2003, when Hastert inserted a last-minute provision on behalf of a poultry farm that effectively gutted the value of "organic" food labels by permitting pesticide-laced feed for livestock. It happened again last year when Frist and Hastert inserted 11th-hour language in the Defense Appropriations bill after House and Senate negotiators had completed their work. The new language protects certain vaccine makers from liability lawsuits. In both cases, there was no public debate, no committee hearing, and no chance for most lawmakers to give their input.

"You can spend 20 years learning your business here, and be sidetracked by a 20-year-old kid in the leadership office," says Wisconsin Rep. David Obey, a Democrat who was first elected to Congress in 1969. He says such power invites corruption, because lobbyists need only concentrate their money and powers of persuasion on a few influential leaders. "The reason we have trouble as an institution is because you have had such an incredible concentration of power in the hands of the Republican leadership."

Obey is preparing to introduce a bill that would change the rules of the House to prevent these abuses. Over in the Senate, Democrats say they want to make public final negotiations between House and Senate leaders on bills. But all these proposals are a long way from becoming a reality, having few Republican supporters. As Obey explains, "The inclination will be for the people in charge of this place to try to preserve as much of their power as possible."

"The Tony Roda Reform"

On his Web site, lobbyist Tony Roda claims to have a "depth of experience, contacts, and knowledge of the Congressional process to assist his clients with their legislative initiatives." One of those contacts is Rep. David Dreier, the powerful chairman of the House Rules Committee, who is now leading the House GOP's lobbying-reform efforts. Roda, who did not return calls from Salon, is more than just any lobbyist for Dreier. He also serves as treasurer of the American Success PAC, Dreier's fundraising committee.

Dreier is not alone in employing a lobbyist as his treasurer. According to a recent report by the Center for Public Integrity, Democratic Sens. Harry Reid, Max Baucus, Blanche Lincoln and Byron Dorgan all use Williams C. Oldaker, a former Federal Election Commission official who has lobbied for Philip Morris, the Edison Electric Institute, and a number of hospitals and universities. Mark Valente III, a lobbyist for the Teamsters and the National Treasury Employees Union, oversees the political action committees of nine Republican members of the House. Richard B. Ladd, a former appropriations staffer who now lobbies for defense contractors, keeps a side job as a treasurer for Republican Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska, the chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. Ladd says there is nothing improper about the arrangement: "I am not doing his thing because I lobby," he says. "I am supporting this because this is how I support the political process."

At minimum, however, this dual role of lobbyist and treasurer creates the opportunity for abuse. There is far less need for a wink and a nod if the person asking for a legislative favor is the same person who is cashing your checks. The current proposals for lobbying reform, however, fail to address this issue, as the political leadership shows no inclination to cut off the font of fundraising cash that pours in from lobbyists.

The list of possible reforms could go on. Leadership PACs could be abolished, lobbyists could be barred from throwing parties for politicians, and even denied the right to contribute to campaigns. But all this will depend on the continuing focus of the American people. History shows that cleanse-the-system movements dissipate quickly as the scandal that prompted them fades from the headlines.

Stan Brand, who worked on Capitol Hill back in the days of Watergate, has little doubt about the fate of the current orgy of reform: "I guarantee you if I live long enough, another 10 or 15 years, we will be having another one of these."


-- By Michael Scherer

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 09:40 AM
At it's essence, the most effective way to dissuade the trend towards lobbyist influence is to make the Federal Government less powerful than other avenues, such as the market.

NewPhin
01-27-2006, 09:49 AM
At it's essence, the most effective way to dissuade the trend towards lobbyist influence is to make the Federal Government less powerful than other avenues, such as the market.

Not that I think the government does that great of a job with it, but I don't trust the market, either. The market, to me, is extremely short sighted in dealing with things like environmental concerns and labor issues. When you couple that with the fact that there's so much conflicting information out there (especially with the environment), consumers can find whatever information they want to justify their buying decisions then you have a market that doesn't necessarily serve the good of humanity first (once again, not saying that the government does, either).

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 10:11 AM
Not that I think the government does that great of a job with it, but I don't trust the market, either. The market, to me, is extremely short sighted in dealing with things like environmental concerns and labor issues. When you couple that with the fact that there's so much conflicting information out there (especially with the environment), consumers can find whatever information they want to justify their buying decisions then you have a market that doesn't necessarily serve the good of humanity first (once again, not saying that the government does, either).
My point is, we have a right to petition the government. And lobbyists are so powerful because the decisions of the government is so important to how the system works. Regulations make or break businesses. The only REAL EFFECTIVE way to stave off the influence is lobbyists is to make the decisions of the government less of a make or break factor in the market.

NewPhin
01-27-2006, 10:15 AM
My point is, we have a right to petition the government. And lobbyists are so powerful because the decisions of the government is so important to how the system works. Regulations make or break businesses. The only REAL EFFECTIVE way to stave off the influence is lobbyists is to make the decisions of the government less of a make or break factor in the market.

And my point is that we need government regulation to rein in the private sector, but I certainly see where you're coming from. I'm just not sure where the happy balance is to be found.

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 10:22 AM
And my point is that we need government regulation to rein in the private sector, but I certainly see where you're coming from. I'm just not sure where the happy balance is to be found.
I don't disagree that we need government regulation. I'm just pointing out the hard nugget underlying all this that the existence of governmental power to regulate in a society granted the power to petition the government carries the inherent byproduct of organized interests having an interest in exercising that power to promote said interests.
I'm not necessarily advocating the stripping the power of government. I'm pointing out that's what'd have to take place to diminish the influence of lobbyists.

NewPhin
01-27-2006, 10:26 AM
I'm not necessarily advocating the stripping the power of government. I'm pointing out that's what'd have to take place to diminish the influence of lobbyists.

Being that my views on crime/drug abuse fall in line with your base suppositions here (take away the motivation instead of building up ever more complicated punitive measures to punish offenders), I want to agree with you. I'm just not sure what the answer is. I don't want to turn a blind eye to political corruption and over-the-top lobbying and just shrug it off as inherent to the system, but I also recognize that attempting to punish and create ever-more-complicated rules will only encourage lobbyists to find ever-more-complicated loopholes to exercise their "right to petition."

Chiefs Express
01-27-2006, 10:45 AM
We will not have lobbying reform until both parties, as well as the independents, determine that votes should not be bought.

A lobbyist with a valid talking point needs to address either the house or the senate in a timed session.

No junkets, no golf outings, no high priced dinners and absolutely no gifts to the elected officials.

banyon
01-27-2006, 11:04 AM
At it's essence, the most effective way to dissuade the trend towards lobbyist influence is to make the Federal Government less powerful than other avenues, such as the market.

Weird. I know that you love the market, but this is the one time or place not to praise the virtues of pure capitalism. The reason that there is corruption, bribery, and graft going on in the house is because of a lack of regulation. We have allowed moneyed interests to vote with their dollars as to how they'd like to see policy made. Concordantly, we have representatives selling policy to the highest bidder. That is a market, and like most markets it doesn't incorporate other values that we need in society, like honesty, free and fair government, or giving a damn about anybody but yourself. Making private markets more powerful, as you suggest, only exacerbates these problems (see Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, or any of their late 19th century counterparts). Markets by definition cannot be ethical, because it is not a part of the supplying or demanding of goods or services.

Markets are all fine and good for limited purposes. They distribute resources efficiently, and provide useful work-product incentives. Unchecked, they fall prey to either internal market failures (monopoly or oligopoly), or external ones (failing to take into account things that markets cannot by definition take into account).

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 11:06 AM
Weird. I know that you love the market, but this is the one time or place not to praise the virtues of pure capitalism. The reason that there is corruption, bribery, and graft going on in the house is because of a lack of regulation. We have allowed moneyed interests to vote with their dollars as to how they'd like to see policy made. Concordantly, we have representatives selling policy to the highest bidder. That is a market, and like most markets it doesn't incorporate other values that we need in society, like honesty, free and fair government, or giving a damn about anybody but yourself. Making private markets more powerful, as you suggest, only exacerbates these problems (see Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, or any of their late 19th century counterparts). Markets by definition cannot be ethical, because it is not a part of the supplying or demanding of goods or services.

Markets are all fine and good for limited purposes. They distribute resources efficiently, and provide useful work-product incentives. Unchecked, they fall prey to either internal market failures (monopoly or oligopoly), or external ones (failing to take into account things that markets cannot by definition take into account).
I'll just let you finish reading the thread. You're welcome. ;)

patteeu
01-27-2006, 11:08 AM
I read the other day that Congress employs something like 20,000 or 30,000 people. That's amazing. I wonder what percentage of legislation is actually read by those who vote on it.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 11:43 AM
Publicly funded election campaigns (as we have in Arizona with great success) will allow people to be elected who aren't "owned" by the largest doner/lobbist.

Leave the window open to allow such lobbying groups to lobby on behalf of issues, not candidates. That allows people to retain their right to organize and to petition the government, but removes the elected representative from the equation.

It's then up to the representative to run on the issues that are important to people, rather than on the issues that are important to lobbists. Occasionally those will overlap to the extent that those groups are able to change public opinion, but at least in that case, we are certain that the public opinion is changed on the issue. And not merely the elected representatives opinion.

banyon
01-27-2006, 11:49 AM
I'll just let you finish reading the thread. You're welcome. ;)

My apologies, you did come down a bit from the first post. Still don't see what's wrong with stronger oversight and regulation of lobbying interests though.

Chiefs Express
01-27-2006, 12:10 PM
Publicly funded election campaigns (as we have in Arizona with great success) will allow people to be elected who aren't "owned" by the largest doner/lobbist.

Leave the window open to allow such lobbying groups to lobby on behalf of issues, not candidates. That allows people to retain their right to organize and to petition the government, but removes the elected representative from the equation.

It's then up to the representative to run on the issues that are important to people, rather than on the issues that are important to lobbists. Occasionally those will overlap to the extent that those groups are able to change public opinion, but at least in that case, we are certain that the public opinion is changed on the issue. And not merely the elected representatives opinion.

You claim to send in clean senators and representatives, that's good. But when you enter the pig sty you tend to get the mud and shit on you just as the other guys already there. I'd bet that each of your guys has participated in a junket or dinner or received gifts from lobbyists.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 12:18 PM
You claim to send in clean senators and representatives, that's good. But when you enter the pig sty you tend to get the mud and shit on you just as the other guys already there. I'd bet that each of your guys has participated in a junket or dinner or received gifts from lobbyists.
By "your" I assume you are talking about Arizona. Understand that our clean elections program is new, and our federal representatives predate the program. It's impact is most visable on the state level. It's also currently an optional program and the big-timers opt out.

I'm suggesting that what's necessary is a ban on spending lobbying money on the public servants. Any necessary trips will be publicly funded trips. And all campaign monies will be standardized by office and all candidates are limited in their spending to public-only dollars.

It's not how our current system works in AZ, but our current system is a baby step in that direction and has been successful on a state level.

Chiefs Express
01-27-2006, 12:27 PM
By "your" I assume you are talking about Arizona. Understand that our clean elections program is new, and our federal representatives predate the program. It's impact is most visable on the state level. It's also currently an optional program and the big-timers opt out.

I'm suggesting that what's necessary is a ban on spending lobbying money on the public servants. Any necessary trips will be publicly funded trips. And all campaign monies will be standardized by office and all candidates are limited in their spending to public-only dollars.

It's not how our current system works in AZ, but our current system is a baby step in that direction and has been successful on a state level.

You seem to misunderstand what I said. Once elected and in Washington they will be exposed to all of the gamesmanship of the lobbyists and will surely get dirty, just like all, and I said ALL, of the rest of them.

The pressure is too great and I don't believe that we have anyone in this country that is squeaky clean enough to resist the offers.

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 12:27 PM
My apologies, you did come down a bit from the first post. Still don't see what's wrong with stronger oversight and regulation of lobbying interests though.
Acutally, I didn't come down at all. My prescription remains. But I introduced it such a stark manner in order to get people thinking about what we're really contemplating when tackling the issue of lobbying.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 12:37 PM
You seem to misunderstand what I said. Once elected and in Washington they will be exposed to all of the gamesmanship of the lobbyists and will surely get dirty, just like all, and I said ALL, of the rest of them.

The pressure is too great and I don't believe that we have anyone in this country that is squeaky clean enough to resist the offers.
Right now, the rules are gray enough to permit powerful lobbists access and what not. Clean elections alone won't "fix" the problem, but lobby reform alone won't either.

There are two primary points of influence. Election time and voting time. I'm discussing the election time, because it's so far been neglected in this discussion.

The voting portion (by that I mean once in office), does need to be addressed with clear legislation as I mentioned before, including required business travel paid for exclusively by the state. Trips is the loophole that is currently under investigation in the DeLay case.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 12:39 PM
Acutally, I didn't come down at all. My prescription remains. But I introduced it such a stark manner in order to get people thinking about what we're really contemplating when tackling the issue of lobbying.
You'll never reduce the size, scope or role of government for your suggestions alone to be effective. It's an "idealist" proposal with limited practical outcomes. Government is and will always be a major part of our economy, our lives and our world. That's what comes with democracy.

Regulation (effectively citizen oversight) is absolutely essential in any functional democracy.

pikesome
01-27-2006, 01:49 PM
One idea I have kicked around for some years is a limit on terms served. Something like no elected or appointed official can serve more than 4 years in office, ever. I think the constant turn over would increase the cost of buying votes, once you purchase your politician you'll have to do it again soon. The two problems I have come up with is and increased power in the beurocrasy, the employed government workers, and a lack of accountability once elected.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 02:12 PM
One idea I have kicked around for some years is a limit on terms served. Something like no elected or appointed official can serve more than 4 years in office, ever. I think the constant turn over would increase the cost of buying votes, once you purchase your politician you'll have to do it again soon. The two problems I have come up with is and increased power in the beurocrasy, the employed government workers, and a lack of accountability once elected.
That's something I agree with as well.

However, that's going to come up against some resistance because that's a tool that states use to get their fair share of pork. The longer you are there the more powerful influence/advocate you can be for your state.

On the other hand, the small gov't types should be happy with it, because it will probably reduce pork to put term limits on the House & Senate.

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 02:17 PM
That's something I agree with as well.

However, that's going to come up against some resistance because that's a tool that states use to get their fair share of pork. The longer you are there the more powerful influence/advocate you can be for your state.

On the other hand, the small gov't types should be happy with it, because it will probably reduce pork to put term limits on the House & Senate.
That, and the byproduct of further promoting lobbyists as the only part of the legislative machine with stability and experience.

Chiefs Express
01-27-2006, 02:56 PM
One idea I have kicked around for some years is a limit on terms served. Something like no elected or appointed official can serve more than 4 years in office, ever. I think the constant turn over would increase the cost of buying votes, once you purchase your politician you'll have to do it again soon. The two problems I have come up with is and increased power in the beurocrasy, the employed government workers, and a lack of accountability once elected.

Term limits for Senators and Congressmen should be the same as the President, eight years with the elections stretched out over two year increments. That would give effective opportunity for each party to build their majority every two years.

The current system sucks, Senators are 6 year terms, unlimited, and the Congressmens terms are 2 years, unlimited.

jAZ
01-27-2006, 06:17 PM
That, and the byproduct of further promoting lobbyists as the only part of the legislative machine with stability and experience.
That's why half measures give a false sense of improvement and in the end may cause as much harm as good. by raising expecations of a better system and with an inevitable outcome of failure. That failure will kill any kind of reform momentum by giving people the excuse that "we tried reform and it didn't work... nothing will work".

It requires implementing changes in multiple directions to box out the problems.

* Strong, clear and enforced regulations on lobbying by mandating publicly funded elections.
* Limited ability to consolidate power in a Representaive through term limits.
* Limit lobbyist funding to issues not candidates.

Sybil
01-27-2006, 06:51 PM
NC, as a fellow progressive, I enjoy your posting. But you need to broaden you horizons past Salon.com. :shake:

NewPhin
01-27-2006, 06:55 PM
NC, as a fellow progressive, I enjoy your posting. But you need to broaden you horizons past Salon.com. :shake:

I read a lot more than salon. I just happen to be one of the few people that subscribes to salon here, so I repost those articles, as they aren't getting posted by anyone else.

Baby Lee
01-27-2006, 06:56 PM
I read a lot more than salon. I just happen to be one of the few people that subscribes to salon here, so I repost those articles, as they aren't getting posted by anyone else.
EEdee-ottt!!! Don't you know when Kotter is hitting on you?

Sybil
01-27-2006, 07:03 PM
EEdee-ottt!!! Don't you know when Kotter is hitting on you?I figured out that Boozer and Denise calls Kotter by my name. That makes it so? Maybe Hamas' is right about you.

Baby Lee
01-30-2006, 11:09 AM
Jonah Goldberg's musings

http://corner.nationalreview.com/06_01_22_corner-archive.asp

Liked this take

It is the explosion in the scope and size of federal involvement of all kinds that creates the need for lobbying. Companies don't want to lobby, they rightly conclude that they need to. And most often they are right. Indeed, the logic used to denounce earmarks is identical to the logic which indicts big government generally. Economists will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. The incentives to lobby for pork and regulatory favors are pertty much the same. Indeed, regulations on employment, trade, taxation, environmental policies etc. affect the bottom lines of major corporations far more than mere pork barrel budget padding. On the one hand you have a politician with the power to reward and punish and on the other you have industries and interests eager to be rewarded and eager not to be punished.