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banyon
01-28-2006, 01:52 AM
This seemed funny at 2:00 AM after many beers...

Court asked to decide: did Christ exist?

Barbara McMahon in Rome
Saturday January 28, 2006
The Guardian


Italian lawyer Severo Bruno does not usually have such important clients but yesterday he found himself representing Jesus Christ in court in a small town north of Rome. The central claim is whether Christ existed.
Atheist Luigi Cascioli, 72, says for 2,000 years the Catholic church has been deceiving people by perpetuating the myth Christ was a real person. He has filed a criminal lawsuit against his old school friend Father Enrico Righi, the parish priest in Bagnoregio, chosen because the 76-year-old cleric has written about the existence of Christ in his parish bulletin.

Mr Cascioli asserts the priest has committed fraud by "abusing popular belief" and that the church has been gaining financially by passing off John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala, as Christ.
Yesterday the case went to court for a closed-door hearing. Judge Gaetano Mautone has yet to decide if the case will continue. Afterwards Mr Bruno said he was confident there was no case to answer. "Don Righi is innocent because he said and wrote what he has the duty to say and write," he said. "When Don Righi spoke about Christ's humanity, he was affirming that he needs to be considered as a man. What his name is, where he comes from or who his parents are is secondary."

Mr Cascioli's lawyer, Mauro Fonzo, said the matter warranted discussion.

"When somebody states a wrong fact, abusing the ignorance of people, and gains from that, then that is one of the gravest crimes," Mr Cascioli said. If the case is allowed to continue, the court will appoint experts to review the historical data, with the gospels as part of evidence submitted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,,1696941,00.html

I wonder if the pope will be cross-examined? :)

Nightwish
01-28-2006, 02:48 AM
This should be interesting!

Chiefs Express
01-28-2006, 07:48 AM
The courts had no juristiction in Biblical times in this matter, what makes you think they will now?

Baby Lee
01-28-2006, 08:11 AM
"When somebody states a wrong fact, abusing the ignorance of people, and gains from that, then that is one of the gravest crimes," Mr Cascioli said.
Geez, maybe if someone ass raped him, he'd change his tune. :D

Adept Havelock
01-28-2006, 11:13 AM
This presents an interesting theological conundrum. In Christian doctrine, Jesus is considered part of a Triune godhead, and thus, part of "God".

God in Christian tradition is quoted as saying "without faith, I am nothing".

If the court finds proof of the existence of Yeshua of Nazareth, does proof then supplant faith, therefore causing God to disappear in a puff of logic? ROFL

(with apologies to Douglas Adams and his delightful HHGttG). ;)

Nightwish
01-28-2006, 02:31 PM
If the court finds proof of the existence of Yeshua of Nazareth, does proof then supplant faith, therefore causing God to disappear in a puff of logic? ROFL

No, because if Jesus is found to have been an actual historical personage, it still would not automatically aver that the doctrinal belief that he is part of the Godhead is accurate.

CRONUS
01-28-2006, 02:40 PM
No, because if Jesus is found to have been an actual historical personage, it still would not automatically aver that the doctrinal belief that he is part of the Godhead is accurate.I agree, however if he could be proven to be born of natural childbirth and had a wife and children it could cast serious implications on the doctrines the Catholic Church has ruled with for centuries. Those implication could rattle the very foundation of the Catholic Church.

Nightwish
01-28-2006, 02:43 PM
I agree, however if he could be proven to be born of natural childbirth and had a wife and children it could cast serious implications on the doctrines the Catholic Church has ruled with for centuries. Those implication could rattle the very foundation of the Catholic Church.
Not just the Catholic Church, but the vast majority of Christianity on the whole.

HolyHandgernade
01-29-2006, 07:17 AM
As many of you know, I do not believe there was ever an historical Jesus of the gospels. That said, I think the lawsuit is a bit silly and the very best the plantiff could hope for is an inconclusive verdict. I also thought the Newdow suit was unnecessary even though technically correct. The vast majority of people need a faith based on these mythic (I don't use the term as derrogatory) associations of the divine. Each level of understanding is a stepping stone to the next that each person should have the freedom, not necessarily the imperative, to take.

-HH