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Tribal Warfare
01-29-2006, 09:05 AM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/blog.cfm


Penn State defensive end Tamba Hali showed an explosive first step during the times we watched him practice in Mobile and he continued doing that in the game, recording 2 sacks and winning the defensive MVP for the North squad yesterday.....The Kansas City Chiefs were among the teams paying the most attention to Hali during the week of practice.

penguinz
01-29-2006, 09:35 AM
We don;t need a DE. We have Hicks.
























































































:D

JBucc
01-29-2006, 10:09 AM
We best be interested in him

RedThat
01-29-2006, 11:27 AM
http://www.gopsusports.com/Football/TambaHali/

htismaqe
01-29-2006, 11:41 AM
Awesome news.

RedThat
01-29-2006, 11:42 AM
I like this guys motor. He dominated in the week 6 vs. Wisconsin. Dominated!

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2006, 08:02 PM
Hali would be an awesome addition.

Dunit35
01-29-2006, 08:07 PM
This would be a great move. Hopefully just what we need to get some kind of pass rush.

BigChiefFan
01-29-2006, 10:37 PM
He's a damn good pass-rusher and would love to see us land him in the draft.

BigChiefFan
01-29-2006, 10:43 PM
Tamba Hali

Position: Defensive End
School: Penn State

Status: Senior

Height: 6-3

Weight: 265

40-Yard Dash: 4.75 (EST)


Positives:
An experienced pass rusher, Tamba Hali might be the most polished of all defensive ends in the 2006 NFL Draft. He is a natural athlete with good size and speed to match up at the next level. Hali sprung to the top of the draft board with his phenomenal senior campaign. He is a leader and a workhorse. Hali has put up big sack numbers and was a main reason for Penn Stateís success this past season.
Negatives:
Hali played on a very good defense in 2005 and didnít truly begin to shine until his senior year. He doesnít have the quickest reactions, but good enough to make plays.

Overview:
Tamba Hali is an outstanding defensive presence and will really put pressure in the backfield. While he doesnít have the best overall height, he has a good reach to get around the mammoth tackles in the NFL. Hali, with impressive workouts, could vault himself into the top 10 and one of the top defensive linemen taken.

Rogcop_3121
01-30-2006, 07:24 AM
Hali sounds like a bad dude? Put him across from Jared we can definitly get in the qb's face. How many teams are looking at him?

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 07:42 AM
Hali sounds like a bad dude? Put him across from Jared we can definitly get in the qb's face. How many teams are looking at him?
Im sure ALOT of teams are looking at him. He's a quality player, that some think MAY go in the top 10 with a great showing at the combine.

Rogcop_3121
01-30-2006, 08:08 AM
Im sure ALOT of teams are looking at him. He's a quality player, that some think MAY go in the top 10 with a great showing at the combine.


That isn't good, our draft # is like 20 right? Who knows he might last that long, depends on what all of the crap teams go for.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 08:15 AM
That isn't good, our draft # is like 20 right? Who knows he might last that long, depends on what all of the crap teams go for.
Unfortunately that's the way it is. The better players, go quicker in the draft, especially after the combine results. Right now, it's hard to say where players will be slated, because so many teams put too much emphasis on combine numbers and the combine hasn't taken place, yet. That said, Hali is a very talented player and is slated to go in the 1st round-I predict he goes in the top 20.

ct
01-30-2006, 12:33 PM
I barely saw any of the Senior Bowl. It was on while I was eating out. I looked up one time to see Hali split 2 defenders and get a sack, nearly knocked the ball loose. So, while I can't speak for the whole game, that was 1 terrific play!! A pass-rushing DE from the left side of the D? Hell yeah, sign me up!!

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 12:35 PM
I barely saw any of the Senior Bowl. It was on while I was eating out. I looked up one time to see Hali split 2 defenders and get a sack, nearly knocked the ball loose. So, while I can't speak for the whole game, that was 1 terrific play!! A pass-rushing DE from the left side of the D? Hell yeah, sign me up!!
He's a quality player, but I'm fearful his combine numbers will skyrocket him into a top 10 player. He's already considered by most, to be in the top 25 BEFORE the combine.

htismaqe
01-30-2006, 03:21 PM
Apparently the Chiefs spent a TON of time talking to defensive players at the Senior Bowl.

The two that they supposedly spent the most time with were Hali and Kamerion Wimbley (DE, Florida State).

The other two guys they seemed to spend some time talking to were Abdul Hodge (MLB, Iowa) and another LB.

This all came from TFY, via 810 this morning.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 03:26 PM
Apparently the Chiefs spent a TON of time talking to defensive players at the Senior Bowl.

The two that they supposedly spent the most time with were Hali and Kamerion Wimbley (DE, Florida State).

The other two guys they seemed to spend some time talking to were Abdul Hodge (MLB, Iowa) and another LB.

This all came from TFY, via 810 this morning. With Hali, all we can hope for is Kiwi's faster time impressing teams more, otherwise, I don't think we have a chance to land him.

Wimbley doesn't impress me at 20.

Hodge is a bad-ass, but I'd prefer to land a starter in the first round and don't see him unseating Mitchell at this point.

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 04:09 PM
after what I'm saw from the Senior Bowl and read , I have a gut feeling KC is going to draft Watson, and maybe Hali. though my feeling is we'll definately get Watson though, if Hali is there in 1st and Watson is in the second round that would be superb.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 05:13 PM
after what I'm saw from the Senior Bowl and read , I have a gut feeling KC is going to draft Watson, and maybe Hali. though my feeling is we'll definately get Watson though, if Hali is there in 1st and Watson is in the second round that would be superb.

I don't think Gabe Watson will be available when we pick in the 2nd round.

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 05:17 PM
I don't think Gabe Watson will be available when we pick in the 2nd round.

I do believe though KC will trade down if Jon Scott/Tamba Hali aren't available at the 20# spot, and it's the same feeling that I had with picking DJ too.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 05:28 PM
I do believe though KC will trade down if Jon Scott/Tamba Hali aren't available at the 20# spot, and it's the same feeling that I had with picking DJ too.
Scott should easily be there at 20, but I'd be surprised if Hali is there at 20. I can see us trading down if Hali is gone and picking up Watson around 25-30.

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Scott should easily be there at 20, but I'd be surprised if Hali is there at 20. I can see us trading down if Hali is gone and picking up Watson around 25-30.

Scott would have to get passed the Cowboys and the Chargers. If Scott/Hali aren't available KC is going to trade down.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 05:39 PM
Scott would have to get passed the Cowboys and the Chargers. If Scott/Hali aren't available KC is going to trade down.I believe there are at least 5 O-lineman that will ahead of Scott.

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 05:44 PM
I believe there are at least 5 O-lineman that will ahead of Scott.

1) Ferguson
2) McNeill
3) Justice/Scott

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 05:49 PM
1) Ferguson
2) McNeill
3) Justice/Scott

D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Winston Justice
Eric Winston
Max Jean-Giles
Nick Mangold

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 05:52 PM
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Winston Justice
Eric Winston
Max Jean-Giles
Nick Mangold

OGs are late first round commodities at best, and did you Winston in the Senior Bowl? He sucked big time

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 05:54 PM
OGs are late first round commodities at best
Max Jean-Giles is the only GUARD on that list and he's a bad-ass. He's worthy of a top 25 pick. I also believe he is BETTER than Scott, that's why I have him rated as a better prospect.

Tribal Warfare
01-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Max Jean-Giles is the only GUARD on that list and he's a bad-ass. He's worthy of a top 25 pick. I also believe he is BETTER than Scott, that's why I have him rated as a better prospect.

manigold is OC interior lineman same damn thing .Giles will go early second,because if someone like Will Shields slipped to second, and that year he was the Outland Trophy winner, then Giles will have a similar fate in the draft.

BigChiefFan
01-30-2006, 06:08 PM
manigold is OC interior lineman same damn thing .Giles will go early second,because if someone like Will Shields slipped to second, and that year he was the Outland Trophy winner, then Giles will have a similar fate in the draft. We'll see, until then, I stand by what I said. I believe Max Jean-Giles is a better player than Jon Scott, so that's how I will rank them.

Chiefnj
01-31-2006, 08:43 PM
I just realized KC really has a good shot at Hali.

The 7 or 8 teams in front of KC don't really have a need for a DE.

Spicy McHaggis
02-01-2006, 03:36 AM
I just realized KC really has a good shot at Hali.

The 7 or 8 teams in front of KC don't really have a need for a DE.

I'm hoping he'll slide too, having Hali fall to us after DJ did last year would be a dream come true. I don't think we can count on it though.

htismaqe
02-01-2006, 06:31 AM
We can hope that Hali falls.

Or we can trade back and get Watson.

ChiefsfaninPA
02-01-2006, 07:30 AM
I watched this kid all season, he has potential to be a monster.

Tribal Warfare
02-01-2006, 08:29 AM
I watched this kid all season, he has potential to be a monster.

A Dwight Freeney clone

htismaqe
02-01-2006, 08:29 AM
I watched this kid all season, he has potential to be a monster.

Yes he does. The only potential issue with Hali is that his stock rises enough for him to be out of our reach...

Tribal Warfare
02-01-2006, 08:33 AM
Yes he does. The only potential issue with Hali is that his stock rises enough for him to be out of our reach...

I've heard that Hali's "track" speed is very average, and that could cause him to fall. Kind of like what happened to Shawn Alexander when he got picked up by the Seahawks

htismaqe
02-01-2006, 08:37 AM
A Dwight Freeney clone

Yup.

htismaqe
02-01-2006, 08:38 AM
I've heard that Hali's "track" speed is very average, and that could cause him to fall. Kind of like what happened to Shawn Alexander when he got picked up by the Seahawks

We can hope. Although how bad of a combine do we wish for him to have? :D

Chiefnj
02-01-2006, 08:43 AM
Chance of Hali or Kiwi falling to KC seems pretty good. You've got a few 3-4 teams in front of KC who got their OLB/DE last year. The Vikings have other needs and you have teams that could use Cutler or offensive help.

htismaqe
02-01-2006, 09:09 AM
Chance of Hali or Kiwi falling to KC seems pretty good. You've got a few 3-4 teams in front of KC who got their OLB/DE last year. The Vikings have other needs and you have teams that could use Cutler or offensive help.

I've soured somewhat on Kiwi. I'd much rather have Hali.

Chiefnj
02-01-2006, 09:35 AM
I've soured somewhat on Kiwi. I'd much rather have Hali.

It's hard to get a gauge on him. He's a decent end and has a lot of potential for a #20 pick. I wouldn't be angry if the Chiefs drafted him.

BigChiefFan
02-01-2006, 10:39 AM
It's hard to say where Hali will go, but I believe he is a top 15 player. That said just because the teams ahead of us may or may not have a need for DE, doesn't mean that other teams won't trade up for someone like Hali.

penchief
02-02-2006, 06:56 PM
I've soured somewhat on Kiwi. I'd much rather have Hali.

I agree. I think Hali would be perfect opposite Allen. I can't think of a defensive player I'd want more. I've seen a lot of Hali last season and we would be very lucky to land him. He lives in the offensive backfield. He just has a knack for doing what it takes to get to the ball.

HolmeZz
02-02-2006, 10:27 PM
Hali is not Freeney. He's nothing like Freeney. There's a size differential, they play on opposite ends, and the way they play the position is completely different. Freeney gets by on speed and moves. Hali gets pressure with his strength. Freeney's much better rushing the pasher than playing the run. Hali's fairly balanced, but lacks any pass rush moves.

I can't even think of a comparison I'd make between the two. They're quite different.

dj56dt58
02-02-2006, 10:32 PM
We don;t need a DE. We have Hicks.


:D

I know your trying to be a smartass..and i can see why, but the fact is your right. Hicks is good enough for now. He's a decent run stopper and a decent leader. We have Allen as our pass rushing DE. We need to go after DTs..

Tribal Warfare
02-03-2006, 12:35 AM
Hali is not Freeney. He's nothing like Freeney. There's a size differential, they play on opposite ends, and the way they play the position is completely different. Freeney gets by on speed and moves. Hali gets pressure with his strength. Freeney's much better rushing the pasher than playing the run. Hali's fairly balanced, but lacks any pass rush moves.

I can't even think of a comparison I'd make between the two. They're quite different.


What I saw on the Senior Bowl, Hali and Tapp did a damn good impression

HolmeZz
02-03-2006, 01:26 AM
What I saw on the Senior Bowl, Hali and Tapp did a damn good impression

At applying pressure, yes. They're different players all together though. Tapp's more Freeney, especially in size, but still uses his strength more than speed.

The closest thing to Freeney in this draft is Dumervil, but he's very poor man's Freeney at best.

htismaqe
02-03-2006, 08:53 AM
At applying pressure, yes. They're different players all together though. Tapp's more Freeney, especially in size, but still uses his strength more than speed.

The closest thing to Freeney in this draft is Dumervil, but he's very poor man's Freeney at best.

Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

I've heard both himself and several of the tackles he's faced say it first-hand.

Chiefnj
02-03-2006, 09:26 AM
Hali is not Freeney. He's nothing like Freeney. There's a size differential, they play on opposite ends, and the way they play the position is completely different. Freeney gets by on speed and moves. Hali gets pressure with his strength. Freeney's much better rushing the pasher than playing the run. Hali's fairly balanced, but lacks any pass rush moves.

I can't even think of a comparison I'd make between the two. They're quite different.

Seems like your quoting football's future scouting report.

From watching Tamba (and I'm going to give myself a pat on the back as being the first planeteer to point this kid out back in October) he does have pass rush moves. He's got a pretty good first step and is football quick. He might not run the best 40 time, but he's quick on the field. To say he overpowers his opposition is a bit of a stretch. He doesn't have ideal size for a DE. He's not Williams. In fact, he's kind of small (6-2 and 265). I'm not sure he was really overpowering OT's who outweighed him by 40-40 lbs every week. He certainly out hustled and out played them and didn't take any plays off, but I wouldn't say he was necessarily stronger physically.

HolmeZz
02-03-2006, 12:12 PM
No, it seems like I actually watch football. There are plenty of scouts with the same feeling. It's not a knock, it's just saying that's not how Hali gets to the quarterback.

"Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

Under normal circumstances, usually not. More often than not he'll do that little spin move, sometimes more than once, to beat the tackle. If nothing else, it'll tire them out. THAT is a pass rush move. Hali's pass rushing skills are created by his strength. Freeney's rely on his speed.

And when I say strength, I'm not talking about Hali throwing tackles to the ground. I mean he's strong. He can create creases to rush because of that. His strength is also nice because he doesn't get pushed around a lot.

penchief
02-03-2006, 01:59 PM
Hali may not have great speed or size but here is where I have to agree with everyone and at the same disagree with everyone......

He relies on three things and does all equally well; quickness, moves, and strength. He is not outstanding in any category but from what I have seen he always finds a way to put the other guy at a disadvantage; either by beating him off the line of scrimmage or putting a move on him that leaves him a little off balance then finishing the play with his quickness or his strength.

All I know is that he has a knack for getting to the ball and making plays. I want him if we can get him.

htismaqe
02-03-2006, 02:09 PM
No, it seems like I actually watch football. There are plenty of scouts with the same feeling. It's not a knock, it's just saying that's not how Hali gets to the quarterback.

"Freeney relies far more on strength and leverage than "moves".

Under normal circumstances, usually not. More often than not he'll do that little spin move, sometimes more than once, to beat the tackle. If nothing else, it'll tire them out. THAT is a pass rush move. Hali's pass rushing skills are created by his strength. Freeney's rely on his speed.

And when I say strength, I'm not talking about Hali throwing tackles to the ground. I mean he's strong. He can create creases to rush because of that. His strength is also nice because he doesn't get pushed around a lot.

How many times have you watched Freeney play? How about Hali?

I watched Hali 7 times this season.

You said he's "nothing like Freeney" and you'd be wrong. And Freeney would agree with me, since I've heard his own mouth sound out the words that he relies on strength and leverage...

Mr. Laz
02-03-2006, 02:21 PM
Hali reminds me more of jevon kearse than freeney.

HolmeZz
02-03-2006, 05:24 PM
You said he's "nothing like Freeney" and you'd be wrong.

Not in my opinion. I can't make a real good comparison between the two without digging deep for something. I think Hali could be a really great player. I just don't believe he's anything remotely close to Freeney in terms of how they play.

BigChiefFan
02-03-2006, 05:29 PM
Hali is more of a COMPLETE DE than Freeney is. Freeney is a pass-rush specialist. Hali is a good pass-rusher AND plays the run very well.

Check this VIDEO out...

http://www.gopsusports.com/Football/TambaHali/

htismaqe
02-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Not in my opinion. I can't make a real good comparison between the two without digging deep for something. I think Hali could be a really great player. I just don't believe he's anything remotely close to Freeney in terms of how they play.

Maybe if I get time I'll find some video of Freeney when he came out of college and I'll show you what I'm talking about...

jspchief
02-03-2006, 07:54 PM
Apparently the Chiefs spent a TON of time talking to defensive players at the Senior Bowl.

The two that they supposedly spent the most time with were Hali and Kamerion Wimbley (DE, Florida State).

The other two guys they seemed to spend some time talking to were Abdul Hodge (MLB, Iowa) and another LB.

This all came from TFY, via 810 this morning.I don't know why we're looking at Hodge.

I think he's a great MLB prospect, but he's only a MLB. No way is he a OLB material IMO. Mitchell may have the physical tools to move outside, but I think that would be silly considering the way he's caught on in the middle.

MLB has to be the one position we need least.

HolmeZz
02-03-2006, 10:21 PM
Maybe if I get time I'll find some video of Freeney when he came out of college and I'll show you what I'm talking about...

When you're making comparisons to Freeney, you're referring to how he's playing in the NFL, not college.

htismaqe
02-04-2006, 10:08 AM
I don't know why we're looking at Hodge.

I think he's a great MLB prospect, but he's only a MLB. No way is he a OLB material IMO. Mitchell may have the physical tools to move outside, but I think that would be silly considering the way he's caught on in the middle.

MLB has to be the one position we need least.

Exactly what I said. :thumb:

htismaqe
02-04-2006, 10:09 AM
When you're making comparisons to Freeney, you're referring to how he's playing in the NFL, not college.

Actually, I'm comparing him to Freeney in general, whether talking about Freeney in college or in the pros.

I could find video of either and show you that you're wrong.

But I've decided not to waste my time.

RedThat
02-04-2006, 10:47 AM
I don't know why we're looking at Hodge.

I think he's a great MLB prospect, but he's only a MLB. No way is he a OLB material IMO. Mitchell may have the physical tools to move outside, but I think that would be silly considering the way he's caught on in the middle.

MLB has to be the one position we need least.

I agree. Im not gonna take away the fact though that, we could use another OLB.

I like Bobby Carpenter from Ohio State. I doubt though he will last till the 2nd round.

BigChiefFan
02-08-2006, 07:56 AM
This is one of the first articles that says Hali will be available at 20...


Tamba Hali DE 6'3 267 Penn St.
By: Robert Davis

Tamba Hali has made the move very few make, moving from defensive tackle to defensive end at Penn St. He started his career as a tackle, and as a sophomore starter, he finished the season with 53 tackles, six for loss, with one sack despite playing hurt for most of the year. As a junior he moved outside to end, and was named All Big 10 after notching 51 tackles, 12 for loss, with six sacks. He turned into a true dominating force, as he had career highs in tackles, tackles for loss, and sacks, finishing with 62, 17, and 11 on the year.

Hali brings a very good combination of athleticism and strength to the football field. He has the athleticism to beat the tackle and get into the backfield, or to break down and tackle the ball carrier in space. Playing DT also allows him to be a force against the run as well. Hali plays with a great deal of passion and intensity on the field. He won't be outworked and he is coming full force on every down.

Despite his athleticism, Hali has limited pass rush moves. He makes more plays based on his ability to overpower college tackles and with his hustle. Hali also lacks the pure size to be a prime draft pick. When facing NFL sized tackles, he has shown the ability to be neutralized and taken out of plays.

Tamba Hali is a very solid prospect, and could hear his name called in the first round of the draft. He is not the stud playmaker other ends are, and he lacks the true standout gifts to be a real high pick. But his versatility and intensity will be coveted by teams in April.

BigChiefFan
02-24-2006, 03:59 PM
With the new mock out, I thought the Hali information needed to be on the front page.

penchief
02-25-2006, 01:23 PM
With the new mock out, I thought the Hali information needed to be on the front page.

When was the article written? Because, even though it gives his senior stats, it seems like they really didn't watch him play during his senior season. He has knack for using his power and quickness to make it appear as though he does have good moves. Efficiency is the key much in the same way that LJ is effectively elusive even though he doesn't have a lot of wiggle. By using all of his tools in unison Hali finds a way to be a factor on every play.

I can only dream that we are lucky enough to land Hali at 20. I would even advocate trading up to get him if it were possible. With Hali coming off the left end and Allen coming off the right, that alone would make our defensive tackles better. If we could then find a big body to be effective in the middle, I believe those two moves alone would transform our defense.

Hali is a stud, IMO.

Halfcan
02-28-2006, 10:21 PM
When was the article written? Because, even though it gives his senior stats, it seems like they really didn't watch him play during his senior season. He has knack for using his power and quickness to make it appear as though he does have good moves. Efficiency is the key much in the same way that LJ is effectively elusive even though he doesn't have a lot of wiggle. By using all of his tools in unison Hali finds a way to be a factor on every play.

I can only dream that we are lucky enough to land Hali at 20. I would even advocate trading up to get him if it were possible. With Hali coming off the left end and Allen coming off the right, that alone would make our defensive tackles better. If we could then find a big body to be effective in the middle, I believe those two moves alone would transform our defense.

Hali is a stud, IMO.

I agree, but I think Hali will be gone.

Cochise
05-01-2006, 03:47 PM
:D

the Talking Can
05-01-2006, 05:13 PM
nice

CupidStunt
05-02-2006, 10:42 AM
Hali is nothing like Freeney.

Dwight's a pure edge rusher with pass-rush moves and overall athleticism and a lack of strength.

Hali's a stack end with a lack of pass-rush moves and athleticism but more strength and is more stout at the point of attack. He will occasionally get handled because of his size but Freeney gets dominated if an OT can get his hands on him.

About the only similarity they have is with their non-stop motor.

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 10:55 AM
Freeney lacks strength...

ROFL

jiveturkey
05-02-2006, 02:24 PM
The Chiefs want Hali's playing weight between 265 and 270.

This may help his speed a little bit.

Ultra Peanut
05-02-2006, 03:45 PM
Hali would be an awesome addition.YAY

morphius
05-02-2006, 04:27 PM
Freeney lacks strength...

ROFL
Yup, he only put up 225 28 times and can bench 500 once, which was more then any other end in his draft...

Pussy.

htismaqe
05-02-2006, 06:52 PM
Both Larry Johnson SR. and the PSU play-by-play guy said that playing Tamba at 265-270 was a mistake. His ideal weight is around 275.

He apparently struggles really bad with keeping weight ON...he's the anti-Sims.